If you ever feel like you have bad luck, just imagine the person who lived in the only house that was impacted by the bolt of Gransax when he attacked Leyndell.
For reference, Legendary Godzilla's length from head to tail is 274 meters, so Gransax is longer by 54 meters. Leyndell must've been pretty strong to be able to fend off such a big boi.
@@thestormkage He ended the war by his duel with Fortissax. Gransax seems to have started the assault on Leyndell. For what reason? I reckon it has to do with the Elden Beast, Greater Will, Dragonlord Placidusax’ God leaving and other things. Edit: It might have something to do with the Elden Beast landing in the Lands Between, when it was traveling (read the description of Elden Stars). So it might have fucked up Farum Azula, and landed in the Lands Between. Edit: Forgot to mention, that Faram Azula could have also been damaged by Astel, considering reason the Ruin’s Greatsword. And the capabilities like the damage it did to a Eternal City, Nokron.
@@bloodangel19 I would think in part is his massive size, but it also serve as a warning and a trophy for all dragons to see. I would think the dragons start the war was due to Maliketh setting up shop in their lord resting place.
@@TheStraightestWhitest It was a bit lacking in context, I mean Maliketh set up shop in Farum Azula after getting the order to guard the rune of death. Whether he preceded the golden order or originate from Farum Azula wasn't my point. Also it actually make more sense why the dragons would attack if Maliketh who is from Farum Azula come back spreading the ideology of another god and actually harbor a rune that can kill them. The dragons properly see that as an act of invasion and corruption. Or maybe that was the plan all along, Maliketh actually come back to invade Farum Azula using his beastmen, but halfway through the runes got stolen so he bound it to his blade and hold up in the sanctuary and Gransax fly down to Lydenll as retribution. That my version of the events so far.
Gransax was MASSIVE. If he's ever brought back to life in a time travel DLC, I could see them doing a more elaborate version of Dragon God's fight against him.
So many of Elden Ring's fights felt like iterations on previous fromsoft bosses that hadn't quite lived up to their potential, I think iterating on the dragon god fight could be amazing
Heck, Gransax might come back to life to open a path to the DLC, like vaporizing the bay in the center of the Lands Between and blocking the ocean from flooding in with his body.
I sincerely doubt Gransax will be dlc, for the simple reason that when zullie put animations on greyll it was making their pc stutter, unless there is some sort of optimization, the game just cannot handle something that large. Would look cool though.
@@lordderppington4694 literally their real reason why they don’t make many actual giant enemies in their games they actually want them to be playable plus most of their biggest have always had their own areas in the game purely for them to help performance
People are wondering how how Grannsax was defeated, but it’s not too far fetched when you think about it. They’ve got those giant perfume arrows from the trailer, Tree Sentinels used greatbows, and the Crucible Knights have access to a variety of crucible incantations, plus you have the demigods themselves. I can imagine them laying on Grannsax with their artillery, maybe some incantations being casted as well, while the Crucible Knights fly around and help split attention with the rest of the army.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Radahn is Rennala and Radagon's kid, if Godfrey was still around he wouldn't have been there to fight off Gransax since he wouldn't have been born
@@Yuri-xx2gi I fought every one i saw, clearly people play the game differently and like different parts My fave boss is Fire Giant, favourite standard enemy is crucible knights, would love to see dragons return but don't mind whatever they do as I love all of the game
@@blake3937 Lol maybe, I simply like the crucible fight as i know how to deal with them but they aren't too easy and become a pushover later on, could lv1 a crucible if i try
Even imagining the camera trying to keep up is giving me a headache lol, Gransax is 50% bigger than Phalanx from shadow of the colossus (the largest one in the game) and the camera in that encounter is fighting for its life
@@Mitcheck315 That big of a target *and* Fromsoft cameras? Now, I know we all like to joke about how "the real boss is the camera," but this is getting ridiculous.
honestly, the fact that Gransax in his size was only able to breach the wall and destroy a couple of buildings means he was taken out fairly quickly. a testament to all who fought him. I assume most of the demigods showed little mercy on gransax and put a stop to that shit expeditiously. I imagine it was Godfrey, Marika, Godwyn and all the of Lyndell Army that went all out on Grandax.. that being said, there are no visible wounds present on gransax. so it does lead me to question how it was done, and so quickly at that. divine intervention of the greater will?
What about petrification? The guy is a statue now after all. My guess would be that the Greater Will intervened with the assault because Gransax looks completely unharmed aside from the fact that his eyeballs are missing but that might not be because of lore reasons. We already know that the Greater Will possesses enough strength to intervene directly so that is probably what it did, especially considering the tarnished can just walk through Leyndell through all the enemies including Godfrey and Morgott. So my guess would be since they can't fend off a simple maidenless tarnished of no renown, that it was literal divine intervention like you mentioned. And sure the Elden Beast also got bodied by the tarnished but the Elden Beast isn't the Greater Will, instead being a mere vassal of it so you can imagine how obscenely powerful this deity must have been if even the Elden Beast was below it.
Divine Intervention by Queen Marika, if I had to take a guess. The Giants are *also* vitrified without any obvious wounds, save for those indicative of deathblight.
Marika probably has hax. It's mentioned that she killed the original fell god that the giants worshipped, in one of the giants flame incantarions I believe
It's hard to imagine anything, even the Demigods, fighting off Gransax. It's amazing Leyndell wasn't turned into a crater already. I made a mistake about the Archdragon, erroneously believing the full body model was the same size as the mountainside version of it, so here's a video correcting that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QZoA_ELbUjo.html
I imagine full power Radahn would give the dragon a run for its money, it would be pretty hard to breath fire or use lightening with meteors smacking into your head every few seconds
@@marksimon2085 Looking at the description of the Leyndell assault, it was most likely still during Godfrey's time. It took a while for Godwyn to come into play since he was specifically mentioned to defeat Fortissax before ending the war
man Dragon God might be the most disappointing bosses in Souls history. its a badass looking massive dragon who's buff as shit and his fight is a lame sneaking mission where you never actually fight him, I feel they could of fixed this if they had Dragon God be a bit smaller and have him over a ledge so he wouldn't be impossible to fight as a real boss
It's so humiliating for the Boss when zullie does that lmao, I almost feel bad for the Dragons, Zullie is like, straight fowardly strecthing their corpses like a Fish Seller does on the stock XD
God, imagine being a soldier of Lyndell during the war of the ancients and see the behemoth of a dragon that is Gransax flying and then landing on the city like that
imagine being Gransax, about to ocmpletely annihilate this city of ants, when all of a sudden someone chucks this massive ass spear at you, forcing you to crash into the city yourself to do at least a little damage.
Might have to go Armored Core or Zone of the Enders like gameplay with it. They gotta make a mount that can fly, fire magic beams, and strike with magic swords.
If Gransax is ever revived via time travel DLC, his boss fight needs to be like something out of Shadow of the Colossus, or the Dracolich in the first Castlevania Lords of Shadow. Something that huge can't just be used as a really big dragon boss, he needs to be like an entire stage. Of course, platforming and ledge grappling mechanics aren't exactly Elden Ring's strong suits. But if making Gransax's body traversible won't work, at the very least we need something like the Saviour boss battle from DMC 4 (the proper boss battle, not the set piece at the end where you one shot a gigantic old man.)
sorry but i don't think literally mechanics in Elden Ring really fit with those examples. but tbh we really don't need a Gransax fight. he's literally just another ancient dragon who is just bigger. I rather they make a more unique dragon type boss.
How about the size for the giant skeletons/corpses scattered around Caelid and the Mountaintops of the Giants? Those guys look to be much bigger than the Fire Giant, hinting that ancient giants may be much bigger than what we see are alive now, much like Gransax
That's super weird though. Because the Fire Giant and the Ancient Dragons are supposed to be from the same time period as Gransax and the war of the giants... why are they so tiny???
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic the same reason why there are ancient dragons smaller than Gransax. The fire giant is the last of it's kind, there could have easily been much larger giants during that time
@@justinbarton717 It's the last because it's the only one who wasn't killed during the war, not necessarily because it was last to be born. Gransax being so much larger than Placidusax is also bizarre.
@@UltraStarWarsFanatic placidusax looks nothing like gransax though. Fire giants I don't understand because they're all the same race but there could be different breeds of dragon some just larger than others. Placidusax could also have lost some of his size aswell seeing as how he looks all withered away and deformed.
@@pastesir3025 I mean, for Fire Giants of varying size, an easy way to think on it is that humans aren't all the same size. There's variance between individuals. Simple enough, yeah?
Just here to remind everyone that if I'm interpreting the Remembrance's item description correctly, Placidusax is waiting for a dragon even greater than he; the Dragonlord awaits the return of the Dragon God, and not the one Zullie was talking about. This Dragon God might not be as big as Gransax, but there's also the possibility that he utterly *dwarfs* Gransax, and he *is* much more powerful than Placidusax, and if he's more powerful than someone who lives outside of time and can stop the ost... Let's just say that I really, really hope I'm right about this.
This is just speculation but I think he's talking about the legendary Stormlord (except that may still be Placidusax) or maybe the Stormhawk King since so much of them is connected to storms. Banished Knights are also connected to dragons and all use the Storm Winds frequently as well and if I remember right, Stormhill and Stormveil castle's winds used to be much much worse in times past
other theories say that the "god" of the dragon lord was the greater will, with the order of the dragons predating the golden order. the greater will then abandoned the dragons, hence why placidusax awaits its return. you might have noticed that there is a more elaborate version of the elden ring decorating the halls of farum azula.
@@morinor1340 That's a possibility as well, but the reason why I want to be right about this is because I just really, really want to fight a dragon god that either isn't a gimmicky puzzle fight or is at least a better gimmicky puzzle fight. On the other hand, I would book a plane to Japan and walk into Fromsoft HQ, stroll right into Miyazaki's office and offer him all of my money, a blood sacrifice and anything else he asked for (presumably pictures of swamps and maiden's feet) in exchange for a dlc where we get to fight both Placidusax's Dragon God *and* the Greater Will (even if I have no idea how that would work or what that would look like) were it not for the fact that I do not have money. (I'd probably ask for playable musical weapons or even just musical instruments while I was there, 'cause let's face it, we *all* want, nay, *need* more musical weapons.)
@@liamtordoff9974 it wouldn't be a fight. The outer gods are so far above in terms of power it wouldn't even make sense if you could hurt them. Think about it like this. Almost every spell/incant is a power granted by an outer God, why would they give us the means to destroy them?
"We even got this skull" Is there any skeleton dragon head else where in these games implying a bigger dragon? If we can compare skulls and scale up, wasnt there a big skull in Ash Lake? How about the DS2 jumpscare skeleton?
Darkeater Midir is nearly as long as Dragon God, ~75-80m, making it the largest classic style dragon you're actually able to fight and possibly the coolest boss battle in Dark Souls III
Radhan is bigger than Godfrey and Radagon together, the former is a general, the two latter were Elden Lords. Better use power level than height to estimate who deserves to rule over the gods.
Maybe I just am particularly unimaginative lately, but I was genuinely impressed by the elegance of your solution to figuring out Gransax’s size. Afterwards I was like “oh of course,” but I do not know if I would have been able to come up with that on my own. Your videos aren’t just worthwhile because of their content, but by the way you uncover and present it. Love your stuff!
It would have to be a gimmick fight. Fighting normal dragons is already a nightmare of camera, and closing the distance with their feet or reaching their head is tough. Now imagine this but 9 times harder
it would probably turn out like a shadows of the colossus style battle where the dragon is basically terrain you have to traverse to find it's weak spot
In regards to feasibility, Greyoll seems to have originally planned to be a proper boss, having movement animations and everything, bu actually activating her AI causes the game to keep over on itself and crash. This could be potentially resolved with some optimization, but Greyoll seems to mark a hard upper limit of what Elden Ring's engine can handle.
Considering greyoll is smaller and crashes the game if you try to get her to stand up (watch Zullies video for more info) I think its safe to say a Gransax npc is out of the question
Thank you for not only giving us the info that we want, but also the information we never would have known that we wanted. The community is truly better for your involvement. Thank you.
I half wish we’ll get Gransax as a boss in a DLC if we get one that sends us back in time to the War of the Ancient Dragons. But I don’t know how you’d even fight him aside from a gimmick boss similar to Dragon God, and I don’t know how I feel about that. Then again, From has proven they can make good gimmick bosses now. I love Divine Dragon as well as Rennala and Rykard. I like Yhorm too, but only when I don’t use the Storm Ruler, which just removes his gimmick, so even if he’s a good regular fight, he’s a mediocre gimmick boss. Edit: I suppose you could call Mohg a gimmick boss, too, but aside from Bloodboon Ritual, he’s a pretty normal (though hard) fight. I still love him too, though.
@@wigglerrave4020 You can heal through it with good crimson flask timing while physick completely negates the damage. It's definitely an extremely useful item that makes it way easier, but it isn't necessary for the fight. Similar to the item that lets you parry Maliketh, not necessary but very useful
Just wanted to say that I often watch your videos and find them all fascinating. I love your approach to discovering new content. Thank you for doing it. And thank you for adding to the communities depth of understanding of the lore we all love.
As much as I like the representations of dragons in a lot of games, this is one of the few that comes close to how I, in my brain, have always imagined their size. Sidenote, when I die I want my well preserved body body to stretch across the wall and preferably castle/palace (rather than a few buildings) of my enemy's city to leave future generations awestruck and intimidated. It's such a flex.
I really appreciate the context and perspective your videos give to the Fromsoft worlds! I enjoy the games way more getting to see how they connect and compare.
You make me curious now how big The Old One actually is and how it looks from a bird perspective/from the back. As players we never get to see any of it beside the front.
You’re my favorite Elden ring channel that I’ve discovered so far. Thanks for making such thoughtful, wonderful videos all without ever using your voice to boot
Zullie, your content is always incredibly enjoyable. It is clear that you spend a significant amount of time thinking about, recording, and editing the videos that you post. While people like Vaati are great for content, you are the creator who has made me think the most. Thank you!!!
It's probably not possible to measure, since it's a background feature, but the massive dragon on the mountain at Archdragon Peak in DS3 also really puts into perspective just how insane it was for anyone to fight(and win) against those ancient dragons, even the gods. I didn't even realize it was a dragon on my first playthrough. To then go to Leyndell and use a section of one wing of Gransax as a ramp really just rams that same point home again.
2:57 Imagine coming to Altus plateau for the first time and then that Lansseax just pop up out of nowhere after a thunderbolt. I’d dodge his ass until the very end of the game like I almost did for Ekzykes
I still think that the “Archdragon” used for comparison in this video is wrong. That unused enemy looks so small compared to that giant dragon we see on a mountain… from FAR AWAY! At least we managed to walk on Lenydel’s dragon wing. And dare I say, the experience of 1 minute climbing a dragon is probably shorter than whatever that monstrosity of a “Mountain Dragon” would have been to explore. But anyway. It would be an amazing challenge if Fromsoft let us fight something that big in a “fair way”. The Dragon God could have been epic, but alas it was not to be.
@@ZullietheWitch I don't follow? The mountain in the background at 0:32 is the arch dragon, is it not? The one many times larger than the one displayed. The one you fight on the ledge is a mini-boss ancient wyvern. The one displayed appears to be the statue at the edge where you pick up the dragon stone?
An interesting trait that I've noticed with humans is that taller people seem to have proportionally longer limbs. Like, look at Peter DInklage and Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt is all limbs compared to Peter. If a similar situation were to hold true for how From builds their dragons, having a 9x skull size would likely result in an even larger dragon than estimated here due to the increased leg/tail length.
Not really. People are proportionally more or less the same, regardless of height. Chamberlain has normal proportions, he's just fairly lanky, so it visually accentuates his limbs. And while Dinklage certainly has disproportionately shorter limbs, that's what dwarfism (the most common form, anyway) means - people affected by this condition have normal size bodies, but disproportionate limbs.
@@Case_ I mean, I have never seen a short person having long limbs, as well as an absolutely massive person having short limbs. Peter was a bad example giving he has dwarfism, but look at people in the 4’11 -5’5 range, all have relatively short limbs compared to the rest of their bodies. Which is why it’s easier for short people to look shredded compared to tall people, they just have shorter limbs compared to their bodies.
@@onda_dr_quinn3942 No, they really don't. People have more or less the same limbs when it comes to proportional length to their bodies (for example the arm span is generally close to person's height). There are variations based on various factors, but not to a significant degree. What does differ is how the limbs appear visually, both alone and also in the context of the whole body. But that's just a matter of perception, not of actual length/proportion. For example, compare the already mentioned Wilt Chamberlain with someone like Kevin Hart. If you look at the proportional length of their limbs, it's more or less the same. And yet Chamberlain is 7' 1" (216 cm), while Hart is 5' 2" (158 cm). Chamberlain just appears a bit more lanky due to his general body type, so it gives the impression his limbs are noticeably longer proportional to his body. But they're not. Another good example (IMO) is Danny Trejo. From his appearances on screen, you'd get the impression he's pretty tall and intimidating. And yet he's only 5' 6" (168 cm) tall.
@@Case_ I'd take an even stronger position than Case here and say that heavier animals are actually *stockier* than lighter animals. When your weight passes a certain threshold--around that of horses and moose on Earth--falls become dangerous to your bones. So these creatures evolve to be relatively shorter and stockier, with more stable limbs and gaits. The dragon would move slowly and deliberately, and probably have a squat, wide stance with a highly exposed belly when on the ground. Of course, dragons famously couldn't fly and obey physical laws anyway, so this is a moot point.
While it’d probably be a technical nightmare to make, I’d love for a future DLC to send us back in time to see Gransax while he was still alive, even if just as a set piece and not a full-fledged boss fight.
The only thing I can imagine stopping Gransax would be an Outer God. Perhaps one with the ability to petrify ? I don’t know that the Elden Beast could do it. It doesn’t seem noticeably injured. It’s like it was stopped in it’s tracks instantly. Perhaps a defensive ward on the city? Like Caria Manor had magic defensive wards. Or was that Loretta? Idk
Dragon God may have lost the title of biggest dragon, but I doubt anyone will ever take that "Biggest Dissappointment"-trophy away from him. Poor guy... Heh.
That image of grasnax not on, but AS the horizon is great and really makes the scale apparent. Thanks for digging into the art in these games, it's appreciable even if you don't play them.
Zullie this is a bit of an odd request, but is there anything in the game files linking the modern dragons (Wyverns really) to the ancient dragons? I'd love to look at a comparison of them from up close to see if Fromsoft designed them to be similar in some ways, or if they are just completely different. Facial structure and wing design might be similar from what i could see looking at them close in game?
2:50 As an Eldenring-finisher I felt actually hopelessly intimidated by this. Holy f°°° thanks god the game would probably crash before FromSoft could do this. Miyazaki is such a sadist! ^_^
Long time fan, love your work. I was wondering what software you use for your videos. I just got a powerful PC and would love to mess around with these programs!
Hey Zullie, I've always wondered, how big would the dragon be from the weapon dragons tooth that Havel uses? The weapon is much larger than any dragon boss tooth I believe.
Damn. Imagine if Gransax had ben made a boss in the game? Imagine rounding a corner and seeing that thing towering over a mountain. I think I'd just silently turn around and head in the opposite direction and accept that whatever is there isn't for me lol
I really like your videos, not only the attention to detail but it's straightforwardness you could easily milk the subject for a 15' video but you don't and that's something very commendable.
It's funny because the Dragon God have an advantage since he's basically a human with wings and dragon head, so he should have a better "position" And is more than 3 time smaller than Gransax
Lore wise, nothing can stand up to the pre-nerf Maliketh. And he can one shot anything as long as it has a soul no matter how big it is. The reason being that Marika plucked a rune of Death from the Elden Ring and gave it to Maliketh. Rune of death is the concept of death itself, and it is the most powerful weapon in Elden Ring's lore. It is probably the only thing capable of killing gods and immortal beings by simply make them die regardless of their power level. Think of it like how Death Note work. Sadly, parts of the rune were broken and stolen by Black Knife assassins. Rendering the rune's power incomplete. Neither the portion used by present Maliketh nor the portion used by the assassins are as powerful as the undivided rune of Death.
I’m so bad at these games and I’ve never put more then 20 hours in any of them but I love the art style and I love your videos explaining everything! So thank you 🙏🏻
What about the literal Archdragon Peak at Archdragon Peak? I mean the big corpse that is a mountain in the background when you reach the altar at the end, or is that the one you're including?
The biggest dragon I have ever seen in any souls game is the one you see stuck in the mountain in Dark Souls 3 in Archdragon Peak, where you go to sit and meditate and get that twinkling dragon torso stone.
Ok, but seeing Gransax’s wings cast massive shadows over the land and making Mt. Gelmir look like little more than a landing perch is just cool, I really wanna see this dude alive
The moment when you rode up to “Gransax” on Torrent is goosebump worthy. i cant imagine actually fighting a dragon that large in game lol that would be insanity
