Electric Car Journeys Are Easy With Common Sense Added!

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After watching various media put up videos of how long EV journeys are a disaster (who don't engineer these videos at all!), I though I'd do one in a small range EV that can't rapid charge at all to prove that the charging part of it, isn't that hard.
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@ElectricVehicleMan Год назад

Just to clarify some people’s questions. Car got just over 4.4 mpkWh and yes I left with near 100%. It cost about £25 for the journey back. The only reason I did it was because I’d just bought the car and had to get it back home somehow. As said in the video, this isn’t a car designed for long journeys. It’s essentially one of the first EVs ever sold. In my Tesla, I could do this without stopping, this journey is clearly not indicative of a modern EV.

@chrishar110 Год назад

As you can see in the comments, common sense is not so common these days. So many comment that they could do the same journey with their ICE car without a stop to refuel. I can bet that all these will stop after an hour of driving, moaning that their back.. toilet.... coffee... a snack... i drive lorries for 8-10 hours every night, my son (26 yo) said a few years ago that it's easy. Next holidays I told him to drive for 2,5 hours. After 1,5 hours he asked me to drive!!!!

@user-dj2io5wo7v Год назад

I guess you're right, it is probably all click bait. That video has had over 250k views. There are a lot of people out there who like to have their egos stroked, about how clever they've been buying a definitely greener petrol engined car. So watch it to feel vindicated in their choice! I suppose when your car is in negative equity, then you have to do something to bring the coppers into your account!

@salibaba Год назад

And how much to trailer it? about £250?

@Martyntd5 Год назад

Can I ask how long it took you to do the journey? You see it's about how long it takes isnt it? The one number that you didnt mention. Time. A 250 mile journey in an ICE should take 4 ish hours, depending on traffic and road choices. Half a day, tops. I'm betting it took you a long day, right? Be honest? Here's the thing though, if you drive somewhere, you usually have to drive back. Because you started with a full battery, you only had to stop 3 times, but probably ended with an almost totally depleted battery. You've then got quite a long charge to get it back to 100% before you could start your return journey. So basically if you were to drive somewhere 250 miles away, it would take you a long day, then an overnight stop before another long day home. A journey you could complete on one tank of fuel in one day with a diesel car. As you have said, that car is not suitable for high mileage use. It's impractical. The question then becomes, is an EV the right vehicle to buy for low mileage local use? From a practical point of view, sure. It works. But is it good for the environment considering it cost an extra 10 tons of CO2 to make over and above an ICE vehicle? You could buy a petrol engine Fiat 500 and do 60,000 miles in it, before it's harmed the environment as much as your Zoe before it even left the factory. If you're only doing 3000 miles a year in your local runabout, then you could drive the Fiat 500 for 20 years before it's made as much CO2 as your Zoe. We need to start being honest about this and crunching the numbers on a case use basis. If we dont, then we are sacrificing the planet on the altar of politics and that's unforgivable.

@salibaba Год назад

@@Martyntd5 your completely missing the point and have ignored everything said. Just because you’ve wrote a war and peace amount of text doesn’t mean you’re right. I’ll try caps. THAT IS THE ONLY LONG DISTANCE JOURNEY THAT CAR WILL MAKE! For that one day it was easier and cheaper to drive it home (even though it would take longer) was cheaper and more convenient than having it delivered. Your so called facts and figures are way off so don’t even bother pulling numbers out of thin air. It is well known and accepted at this point that an EV DOES have a larger carbon debt from manufacturing. It’s closer to about 2 years to even out though. This car is 10 years old. It hit that level out point years ago, even when the grid was dirtier than it is today.

@jameschapman4824 Год назад

The trouble with "common sense" is that it appears nowadays to not be so common.

@connclissmann6514 Год назад

My mother, born in 1913 made exactly this point as her children were growing up. It seems to be either a steady decline from some good old days of plentiful common sense or (in my view) an increasing trend to thinking or even expecting all things to work without thinking about the system in use.

@salibaba Год назад

@@connclissmann6514 I may be a little over the top but I see no problem with some healthy darwinism. Remove the instructions from toasters "Do Not Use in Bathroom". Trim the herd a little.

@brianstevenson9967 Год назад

I have been on EV’s since 2019 and quite frankly fed up with the constant range comments from non EV users and their statements simply do not stand any test. I am on my second EV and it was purchased on the premise that I wanted to be able to travel from home to my holiday lodge and return home without the need to public charge and this it does this quite easily. Now if I do an extended drive like last week from Aberdeen to Norwich that will involve recharging at some point. Now I know that I can’t physically drive without a break ( comfort/ meal, coffee) to the limit of my cars range, therefore the car has to go by my physical comfort range which means it will be recharging at between 30/40% sometimes even more, would I do the journey any differently if I still had my diesel car, well no I wouldn’t. So effectively if I still had my diesel car I would have carried the weight of that extra diesel for no reason at all because like most people out there you simply are not going to drive 600+ mls without stopping..

@phlegam42 Год назад

Couldn't agree more!

@danielwalls5150 Год назад

Well said.

@Jaw0lf Год назад

"An easy solution and it is called Common sense" it seems to be a rare commodity nowadays. I really hope humanity can start to find more and surprisingly it doesn't need to be mined or pumped out of the ground!

@Grahamvfr Год назад

Brilliant stuff, really useful.. Treat your battery like your bladder (I'm over 50) use a loo when you can, not when you have to. 😏

@markgollan Год назад

I can relate!!

@chrishar110 Год назад

You are a wise man!!!

@christinequennell5855 Год назад

Yes and the more you charge the more it decreases

@briangriffiths114 Год назад

Daily Mail readers will be amazed that the batteries do not fail after three years!

@blusox78 Год назад

Daily Mail readers are common, but that's as close as many get to having common sense

@markyates5744 Год назад

Jeremy Clarkson too - as on Top Gear he infamously said "we spoke to a battery expert who said the batteries would last 3 years - tops".

@danielwalls5150 Год назад

@@markyates5744a “battery expert”? I don’t think that person is much of an expert.

@sahhull 11 месяцев назад

Some do die after 3 years.... My customers Tesla Model S died after 7 years. 60,000 miles. Then was off the road for 8 months while Tesla sorted a new battery. Then Tesla said because he had exclusively used the Tesla charge network (cant charge at home), It was battery abuse so charged him £32,000 for the battery.

@rui569 Год назад

- Can it be done? Yes. - Do I wanna do it? No.

@eclecticcyclist Год назад

This supports my opinion (and Andy Palmer's) that smaller batteries would suit most of the blue collar (and many white collar) workers of the UK who seldom drive more than 100 miles in a single journey and wouldn't be inconvenienced greatly given that longer journeys would be very infrequent as long as the charging infrastructure and reliability increases..

@Tschacki_Quacki Год назад

Absolutely. I got a long range Model 3 but after a while I realized that it's definitely not a great deal to exchange a few months of work with a few charging stops on weekend trips. Who the hell cares if it takes 14 or 19 minutes to continue driving? Even if you do really long trips. You stop 6 times instead of 4 times or something along those lines. Is that really worth thousands of money for the average person?

@markyates5744 Год назад

@@Tschacki_Quacki I bought a SR+ and glad I did. I drove Bracknell area to Leicster. 125 miles each way. I had to stop on the way home for 7 minutes to charge from 15-45%. It's the only time in a year I've had to go beyond it's 220 mile motorway range.

@garage6346 Год назад

One thing I found irritating (as a German tourist in the UK) is how many of the AC chargers are only single phase. These don't help much when you're doing a daytrip and want to use AC destination charging. Over here I think it's more than 95% 3 phase chargers with most of them now being 22 kW. So with the 11 kW charging every Car offers, that's perfekt to arrive empty, have a nice couple of hours at the museum/shopping mall/whatever you like and then start your journey home with a full battery.

@johniooi3954 Год назад

Not every car offer 11kW charging. Most are in the 7kW range.

@garage6346 Год назад

@@johniooi3954 Then UK EVs must be very different from the continental ones. If you get 7 kW single phase charging in a new EV over here, this would be the most basic version of the model. I don't even think that any EV that came out in the last two years would even have the option of single phase only charging.

@salibaba Год назад

@@johniooi3954 actually @garage6346 is correct, most cars out these days in large numbers do in fact have 11kW charging. Model3, ModelY, Mini, Fiat 500, e208 & corsa (upgrade), BMW i3, Niro, Kona, ID3. The main exceptions is some older models, mostly no longer in production, Ion, iMiev, C-Zero, OG ioniq, Leaf, e-up, e-golf. All the Renault stuff does 22kW inc Zoe, Megane & even some variants of the Teslas.

@salibaba Год назад

The single phase public chargers is probably down to site owners trying to maximise the amount of available charging spaces they can offer (bigger number headline is better PR), especially if the site has a restriction on its incoming grid capacity.

@johnmckay1423 Год назад

As I understand it, 3 phase supply is fairly common in domestic properties in Germany whereas it's almost unheard of in the UK.

@MyImperfectEcoJourney Год назад

Compared to 6 years ago there are so many charging options if you're sensible about planning, you're totally right. With a bit of planning I managed 825 miles round Scotland for free just 1 month after we got our 30kWh leaf in 2016, if it could be done then it certainly can now!!!!

@chrishar110 Год назад

Don't tell them that it is possible. Everybody will buy an EV and we would have to wait at the queues to charge.

@ciupak7932 Год назад

Definitely not for free now... In ICE could do that on 1 tank...

@Lookup2Wakeup Год назад

@@garysmith5025Now large depreciation had kicked in there are Zoe 50kw for sale at £12k now. Tempting, but will only give you a real world range of 150 miles which is border line for me.

@stephenclay6852 Год назад

Well put. That’s exactly what I tell other people. Don’t leave it till your almost empty. That’s the quickest way to get stressed out

@johnmcconville6055 Год назад

I had a 22kw charging Zoe,and thought it was great.The infrastructure for these cars is everywhere in Scotland and is hardly used.Everyone is fighting over CCS while the Zoe can still charge quite quickly on the 22 KW chargers.I am considering trying to find a good low mileage one and keep it for a long time as well.

@johnmckay1423 Год назад

We did a road trip in the Highlands last year and the worst inconvenience we had was a five minute walk in each direction when I left the car on a slow charger in the evening after a day out. In general the provision of slow chargers at regular intervals and best places we wanted to visit worked really well. It did take a bit of forethought (common sense?) and you have to change your mindset from ICE - yes, the car takes hours to charge, but by planning you let it do that when it would be parked anyway. Even if (when 🤞) rapid chargers are sufficiently widespread, that's a better way to do it anyway. This year's trip was to Cornwall and the provision isn't as good - but planning and common sense meant that we weren't restricted in the trips we went on and we didn't wait for the car to charge.

@donaldlush2822 11 месяцев назад

Yes - 22kw AC charging is a bit of a secret weapon for the Zoe. They're definitely the chargers that people fight less over - if I arrive at a charge station that has AC then it's nearly always available to use immediately.

@jimadams6159 11 месяцев назад

Just protes that longer journeys are possible with thought, planning and as you said common sense. Really enjoying both of your channels.

@MrBode5997 Год назад

This proves a point I was trying to make to an audience a month ago,you don’t need to buy an EV with a big battery,how often does the average person do more than 30/40 miles per day.

@chrishar110 Год назад

Once, twice every year. But you drug 1-300 kgs with you everywhere and anytime. That makes your car less efficient.

@sahhull 11 месяцев назад

I guess Im not average. I cover around 150miles per day. I hired an EV to test... It didnt work for me.

@Speedking2022UK Год назад

Not what the macmaster says 😂😂😂

@jameschapman4824 Год назад

He always sets himself up to fail. It's his thing.

@paulbuckingham15 Год назад

Not what he pretends.

@andrewthorne6653 Год назад

Well said thank you

@chuckoster8221 Год назад

If sense was common,everyone would have it.

@mcdon2401 Год назад

The sort of people who would refuse to do any sort of planning for an EV road trip would do exactly the same in a petrol or diesel car. They'd have everything loaded and ready to go on a ¼ tank, drive past multiple petrol stations until they're sucking fumes, then complain about how much it's costing to fill up on the motorway.

@christinequennell5855 Год назад

Well we have plenty of petrol station we get there quicker and don't mess up the roads

@mcdon2401 Год назад

@christinequennell5855 never done a road trip yet where I haven't broken it up into smaller chunks, even when my car was capable of 500+ miles between fillings (and I've done some pretty decent road trips over the last near 30 years). Point is, I never left for a road trip with no fuel in the car, I never drove past loads of other petrol stations until the very last moment, and then whined about how pricey the fuel costs were when in the middle of nowhere, or in the motorway services...because I'm not dumb enough to get myself into that situation. And this constant nonsense about how EVs destroy the roads... yes, at about the same rate as the current crop of petrol and diesel vehicles do. Unless you're buying everyone a 2 tonne replacement for their current Aygo? Compare the 2020 Golf estate to the new MG5 (which is effectively an earlier model Golf) and the weight differential is just over 100kg, less if you go with an auto box. Fill it with fuel and you're at the same weight. So how much extra wear and tear are they putting on the road in reality?

@brianreynolds4627 Год назад

Very informative…many thanks for creating the Vid…Brian.

@SDK2006b Год назад

Exactly on point! Prior to Sat Nav's people had to plan journeys using maps. Whilst we wait for the EV charging network to get better, people should take 5-10mins planning their long journey on ZapMap or similar apps.

@HansPostCumulus4 11 месяцев назад

I just had my vacation from Utrecht, Netherlands to Venice, Italy > Berlin, Germany and back to Utrecht with a Citroën ë-C4. With just a little bit of planning, common sense and my wife and I both alternately driving, it was really a breeze. Austria (Innsbruck) was a bit of a challenge: Charging points were there but not very many and most of them were already in use. We eventually found one available though and it was not really a problem because the battery was never 'that empty' anyway. Every stop for coffee, rest, lunch or toilet was done at a place where we could also charge the car. That's it! That was the only planning/consideration! All fine. Went through Europe comfortably. Highly recommended.

@rabidpb Год назад

Any "RU-vidr" who has gone out and bought an I-Pace or Taycan but can't work out how to read a map or plan a long trip is either (a) so dangerously incompetent that they shouldn't be allowed out of the house unsupervised, or (b) deliberately misleading their audience in order to push an agenda. I wonder which it is.

@sahhull 11 месяцев назад

If an EV was a viable alternative to an ICE. They wouldnt have to plan ahead. The infrastructure would be there.

@rabidpb 11 месяцев назад

@@sahhull You'd have said the same in defence of horses when cars first started appearing. If you don't know how to look at a map, you shouldn't be out of the house on your own.

@sahhull 11 месяцев назад

@@rabidpb no.. But an EV is not viable for many motorists nor is public transport .. EVs are short ranged, too long to recharge and insufficient charging infrastructure. Back when the horse was king. The car was a rich persons play thing. It wasn't for work and shopping.

@AntonioHSam Год назад

"using the brain"... What a reckless and dangerous advice😂😂😂. Nice vídeo. Congrats for the new channel. Now i must go to my Next "rocket surgery". All the best to you and your family 🌈

@DAveShillito Год назад

Superb Video :) I'm going to add this to my playlist to show people who claim "You can't do long journeys in an EV"

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

The main problem are the people who say "you can't do long journeys in an EV". Almost all of them have never owned, driven, sat in, or even touched an electric car. I used to have aunt who was an expert driver, all accomplished from the back seat.

@djtaylorutube Год назад

Luxury! When we had our Volvo converted to LPG back in 1999, smart phones didn't exist. With an LPG range of around 240 miles, planning was with a paper map, updated every few months. Guess what? You couldn't just aimlessly drive around and expect to find LPG. Maybe it's this sort of prior use that makes owning an EV trivial for us?

@Tom192Hartley Год назад

Exactly how I recently did a 4 week long training course in my 16 plate 22kwh Zoe, stopping around the 30% mark, my journey was approx 180 miles at the start and end of the week for 4 weeks - was a pain if I am honest but did not run out of charge. Found Osprey chargers very reliable but only gave approx 16kw. Make sure you get the Canze app and suitable OBD dongle for it and make sure you keep up the extended warranty - mine is currently in Renault awaiting a replacement charger being fitted (£3.5k) under the extended warranty.

@dalroth10 Год назад

Great video and good to hear you make the obvious point about people new to EV's needing to take a bit of time, (or asking an experienced EV user), to understand the important basics and so gain the common sense. I also make sure that if I'm doing a long journey (more than 250 miles for my Hyundai Kona 64kW) to have two options for EV charging. It really isn't difficult and takes less than 5 minutes to plan.

@andrewburns2833 Год назад

I’ve started calling Mr M (you know who it is) the Andrew Lloyd Webber of EV’s, as he’ll make a song and dance out of anything. He’s entertaining and I’m sure he does it purely for the views but some of his comments in recent vlogs had been a tad below the belt. Let’s put it this way, without his EV, there’s only so many sausage rolls you can review. Will I continue to watch him?, of courses I will, he cracks me up. Mr EV, thanks for this vlog, as always educational and factual.

@ciupak7932 Год назад

How good /convenient iEV is if you can't charge at home ??? That's what M is talking about.

@sparkyjackson8479 11 месяцев назад

Good for you

@Chimp_No_1 Год назад

Great content ! 😃

@MrKlawUK Год назад

moved from a tesla LR to a standard range. Did ABRP to check slough to st ives. Stop here and here.. nope we’ll need to stop earlier than that ourselves for a wee. ended up having lots of choice, and actually overcharged at both locations because we were waiating to get into the loo or waiting to finish a drink.

@douglasmorris8364 Год назад

I don't want to plan a well known journey of 5 hours that I've been doing several time a year for 35 years. I like my EV for local pottering but I'm also keeping my trusty 65mpg 900 miles range diesel for those journeys. No stopping (Only wee breaks and leg stretch) and no filling till I get back home. Actually works out cheaper too given the robbery prices of public charging. Common sense is also being practical with what you have! Good vid though.

@gchecosse 11 месяцев назад

If it's a well known journey, no need to plan it.

@novablacknight1 Год назад

Common sense is not that Common as the wife tells me

@GW1957-SY Год назад

Great if you’ve got time to sit about all day waiting for it to charge,not quite fill and go yet

@Bitdynasty 11 месяцев назад

I just got back to UK from a 3000 mile EU road trip in my i4, using exclusively Ionity chargers, and have to say, having this kind of trip 4 times before in a diesel car, was no different in an EV, except maybe every day being longer for about 30 minutes because charging takes longer than filling up. Ionity has excellent coverage in the EU so was very smooth and stress free journey.

@stanfoyle8453 Год назад

Love to see your chat with the Macmaster..

@alanhowemusic2457 Год назад

Great video. Just to confirm how long where you in total at all the chargers on route. Many thanks.

@RTORC78 11 месяцев назад

You’re right it shouldn’t be like this. All these EV consumers facilitating this experience.

@sahhull 11 месяцев назад

A localish petrol station has 2 charge points (Theres 3 other petrol stations between that one and home) 1 of the charge points has been labled as out of order for over 18 months! Today it now has a cover over it and a nice sign saying sorry out of order. The next closest charge points are 15 miles away. (Zapmap) At the moment... An EV will work for you if you dont exceed the vehicles range and you can charge at home/work.

@LiiMuRi Год назад

A cheap EV with a small battery like the Zoe is sufficient for all the daily driving. And if you're going for a long road trip, you can rent a car with longer range.

@garyallsopp6369 Год назад

That originally used to be part of the battery lease.

@user-dj2io5wo7v Год назад

The aforementioned fish and chip expert actually said I'm not going to plan it, I want to drive it like a petrol engined car! But its not, its an electric car! It's like an ICE engine car driver saying, I'm not going to stop at those places 'the man' tells me I have to fuel up. No I want them to fill it up while it's on my path and I'm asleep! I genuinely do feel sorry for anyone stuck with a car that doesn't suit them, but their stuck with it because of negative equity. I genuinely feel no schadenfreude in that predicament. But for crying out load, if your stuck with it, make it work for you!

@johhny711 Год назад

I think the point they are making on the "other channel" is that he doesn't want to have to plan .

@humphshumphs Год назад

Brilliant video, and all it takes is common sense. It's not really much different than if you have a ICE car, you still need to plan when & where to stop to re-fuel it's just that at the moment there are more places for petrol/diesel.

@TrevorHa Год назад

Could you post an update on the details of this drive? Time taken, time taken to charge, speed driven? Just for interest an comparison. Trying to convince my son to get a small ev next and this would be great. Great vid, thank you for your time and effort.

@ciupak7932 Год назад

+ total cost of the journey...leki, snacks etc... But family trip would be more interesting.

@watcher24601 11 месяцев назад

Totally agree, I have done many long journeys with minimal planning and found chargers when I need them. Usually by avoiding motorway services which are still 5 years behind the curve. Plenty of chargers elsewhere, just watch out for the privileged few that block rapids by charging up to 100%

@JonathanBarnes Год назад

Agree totally. Use an ICE car!

@claymore1971 Год назад

I can’t get a charger at my home, so would have to use public chargers which cost a lot more money. The equivalent EV for a petrol car is thousands of pounds more than the petrol car. EV cars wouldn’t work for me with the initial extra for the car and paying extra at public chargers.

@carltonlane8931 Год назад

After18 months 20,000 miles of ev ownership,you soon realize you have to think,make a lose plan,for me,2/3 hours charge,wee,tea,that’s 30 mins max,carry on,and a thing I did not expect,I get to where I’m going in a lot better frame of mind,yes it takes a bit longer,but you are not as stressed,because you are not pushing yourself to the limit.

@charlesholder8009 Год назад

A great video. I almost bought an EV but at 74 I don't want to plan a trip. I just want to get there knowing my car can cover 300 miles at motorway speeds and "recharge" in fifteen minutes without having to buy an expensive motorway meal to fill the time. One day It will be normal to sit at a charging point, but I love the smell of Redex and the freedom of just going away without having to plan stops and not having to decide if I have the air con, the heated screen, heated seats on, cruising at 70mph with the boot full with my thermos, chairs, and table to sit by the dual carriageway watching the world go by. Halcyon days that will never return and never appreciated by a super-efficient and bland future. When India, China, and Australia stop burning cola I may become more eco-friendly, but we seem to be sleepwalking into oblivion for no reason. (Rant over but the future is not as friendly as the WHO controlling elite tries to make it look).

@timaustin2000 Год назад

Spot on. I took my Ioniq 5 to Lizard point, Cornwall, from near Lancaster, a while back. I planned 2 alternatives for each charge and no charge was outside 15% remaining range. I didn't need an alternative on the first charge - just sat and ate breakfast. My second charge was full and had a queue so drove on 6 miles down the road where there were more chargers and no queue - just as I'd planned. My car charged to 80% in less than 15 minutes and I had to go move it before my food had even finished cooking at BK. Then went straight to my destination. No hassle, no stress, no problem. Just 380 miles of simple motoring.

@seanpreston3439 9 месяцев назад

MM is doing a challenge with from john o groats to lands end in his Taycan against 'Geoff buys cars' in his Volvo diesel. You should join up in your Tesla lol

@jamesvdv0 11 месяцев назад

Common sense should be renamed: "rare sense". 😉

@lthrtim Год назад

What app do you use for seeing which chargers are working etc.?

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

There are a few. ZapMap, A Better Route Planner etc......

@djhworld_ Год назад

Nice video. One thing I'm wondering about is (and forgive me if this already exists) is whether you let an app plan the charging stops for you based on desired %'s, or at least calculate what % you are at each stop. Sort of like an optimised route for charging vs. distance, where first charge maybe longer but is enough to ensure you're at 30% at the next one and so on

@rotavator9441 Год назад

I’m sure you know about Bonnet, £2 a month. Their app tells you if chargers are in use, or not. It also shows the nearest chargers to where you are along your journey. I have used their app for 15 months and I have never and I mean never, had to wait to charge.

@POolBacK Год назад

Hahaha I'm french, but I know exactly who you're talking about. I've been watching his videos and find them quite entertaining. What I find funny is that they'd have the most clickbait title, talking about risking his life or whatever, but then you watch the video and literally nothing bad happen except than having to sleep in the car because no hotel planning was made. Nothing to do with an EV. That said, I've been planning a trip on my MG4 from the south of France to Darlington, and looking at the map, the charging infrastructure seems to be a bit behind over there. I'm sure I'll be fine, but I'll make sure I follow your mantra of "Charging when you can, not when you have to" once I'm in England. France is pretty much fine in that regard, I can follow blindly the first plan ABRP give me and I'll be confident I'll have no real issue with the chargers.

@Grahamvfr Год назад

Yes we've just travelled to southwest france from Billingham, in yaris hybrid, (obviously no worries about charging), and I did notice, not as many charging points as UK (surprising), but still plenty if organised. We weren't on toll Rds at all. though. Good luck on trip 👍

@del4668 Год назад

You are French so I will let you off. But in that video when he was at Spean Bridge where he stopped and went into that Fish and Chip Shop. He could have turned right towards the Isle of Skye, or left towards Fort William. Fort William from there is about a 15 minute drive. Its a big place, shops, hotels, bars, restaurants, I know there are Tesla chargers there so surely there are normal chargers. Instead he turned right towards the Isle of Skye, over a 2 hour drive and there is nothing along that road other than a couple of hotels (I think he stopped at these and tried to get a room) then you are just in the country side with nothing around. Its no wonder he had to sleep in his car. But really I think this was his plan all along he needed to be on Skye early and didnt want the 2+hour drive in the morning from Fort William.

@POolBacK Год назад

@@del4668 oh yeah I've been on the Isle of Skye, I would definitely not go there in an EV without a little bit of planning, but to be honest, same regarding sleeping over. Beautiful island, but would be stupid to go there without any sort of plan

@Lewis_Standing Год назад

The A1 would be the road to use North of London to get to Darlington - Its got a few good services especially further north to use. Sometimes apps in a different country are a pain with what debit cards they'll accept / French apps might not work / UK apps not necessarily downloadable on french phones. Might be worth checking. EV dabbler does a lot of journeys from the north of France to UK - might be worth checking him out and asking.

@gchecosse 11 месяцев назад

We travel to France a lot from northern Scotland. France was quite far behind for CCS charging at least until 2022, but seems to have caught up this year when we went in April. France still has no real Osprey or Instavolt equivalent, but the Total chargers on the motorway were really good.

@FoxInClogs Год назад

Good to see that you succeeding in a making a long journey with such a small battery. Out of interest: How many stops did you make and what was your average charging time per stop? As I commented on previous videos I was pleasantly surprised by the UK charging infrastructure when I visited in May. Especially the number of rapid chargers as destination chargers. I wouldn't want to make your trip in my Leaf (max 6.6 kW AC charging) if I had to rely on type 2 chargers but with rapid charging it was (almost) a joy. I just made sure that I planned stops with at least 20% (of 64 kWh) left, to cover the eventuality of chargers not working.

@del4668 Год назад

My math's could be incorrect but I estimate about 2.25 hours if he got the car 100% charged or 3.25 hours if the car needed charging at the start.

@m00tastic Год назад

@@del4668nah 22kW into a 22kWh battery charging times should be under 1 hour unless it wasn’t able to charge on all 3 phases (or using a 7kW charger)?

@MrDead1975 Год назад

@@m00tasticno because EVs have a charging curve

@Ronick-Q-46 11 месяцев назад

I didn't hear you mention how long you were sat at the charging stations?.

@MizraPaul Год назад

I can’t believe you said Macmaster multiple times without actually saying Macmaster 😂

@barryhaeger4284 Год назад

Bring it 'Ohm

@A-Lovely-Bit-of-Kit Год назад

Anyone in particular in mind with your opening (and closing) remarks 😂 ?

@1escortmk 11 месяцев назад

I've done quiet a few long trips now and I've yet to run into any problems charging. Just done a 750 mile weekend trip, I do have an I4 so the range is very good.

@David_Parr Год назад

There is plenty of 22kW chargers around that are 22kW. But at some Services stations on the motorway ( Gridserve ) if its a double socket on a stand a lone post its more like 11kW. If its a socket build into the Rapid then it is 22kW. Mer , Connected Kerb , Raw charging , Podpoint are 22kW. But some Osprey Chargers with a socket on them they are usually only 14kW.

@99Tonygm 10 месяцев назад

Hello, really enjoying the new channel. As a new EV driver, is there is a charging location app or route planner which can filter by price per kw/h please? This would make finding cheaper charging so much easier. Thanks.

@drivingohm 10 месяцев назад

Not that I know of.

@user-nf7br8yi6m Год назад

Well how long did the journey take.

@barryhaeger4284 Год назад

A great antidote to "The MacMaster" tosh

@tango1541 Год назад

Hope he see's it

@MrDead1975 Год назад

except the video is missing all the key facts such as journey time, time spent charging, charging costs....

@tango1541 Год назад

you drive a diesel then

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

@@MrDead1975 And you appear to have missed the whole point of the video..... As EVM has already pointed out, he has a Tesla which could have done this whole trip with only one stop to pi$$. The point he was attempting to make here, was that a £4k electric car can be capable of 250 mile trips. But like I said, that seems lost on you......

@MrKlawUK Год назад

also this isn’t a ‘wow you have to stop loads of times in an EV’ - its a ‘you bought a zoe mainly for around town and getting to work but it can still do long trips with a bit of planning’ you don’t need to keep a spare range rover on the drive just in case

@st200ol Год назад

You EVangelist. 😂

@antoniopalmero4063 Год назад

When you and Harry having a go in the Xpower mg4 ? , I would value your input before considering a purchase .

@steveevans2703 Год назад

EVs really should come with 22kW AC charging as standard. Really useful given the number of chargers and disappointing that so many only come with 11 as standard.

@RJPick1 Год назад

Knew you would do it! Simples...

@royking1 Год назад

Sensum Communem or 'Common Sense' has recently been placed on the critically endangered list by a number of organisations around the world. Although once the main survival trait of human beings, allowing them to survive, learn, and prosper throughout this planet, it started to reduce in numbers as technology advanced. Those possessing common sense wouldn't place body parts into close proximity of dangerous animals, or into machinery or fire etc. Although the lack of common sense was mostly disadvantageous, there were exceptions, insofar as the revolutionary inventors who risked all to create early versions of what we see now, such as many of our transport modes, now with many of the dangerous bits mostly hidden away from inquisitive minds. This unfortunate decline was more recently observed in the inability of certain highly educated students to utilise basic things such as crossing roads safely, thus needing increasing assistance insofar as zebra crossings. These too were often found to be too reliant on operator observations, so in one particular case that I have encountered, it was replaced with a push button crossing, as this was thought to be simple enough for those devoid of the aforementioned 'Common Sense' to operate and use in a relatively safe and satisfactory manner (Durham City, New Elvet crossing replacement circa 2005). Sensum Communeum has been on a steady decline since around the 1980s, but this has accelerated in more recent years with the arrival of online social sharing platforms, allowing "alternative truths" to garner favour with the once old style media channels such as newspapers and television, that were once respected sources of information as the percentage of those afflicted with this deficit became prevalent throughout the industry. It has also led to a marked increase in the need for signage for every possible eventually that could cause harm or distress to them. Thus we arrive at the current time where this species, common sense, is on the point of critical endangerment and se must do everything that we can to ensure not only its continued survival, but an active conservation and expansion to the general population along with its reintroduction into society especially modern media. (No sarcasm here, honest... 🤔🤣)

@edenviews Год назад

Gradually chargers are being updated, allowing gaps to be filled up and down the country. not ideal, yet, but then only a small percentage of us are driving EVs so far. Planning ahead for a long journey will save a bit of waiting, so we can hope.

@sinannuuman943 Год назад

What about the time it takes you to recharge? Is that included in the common sense?

@drivingohm Год назад

As said several times in the video, this isn't a long range (or even medium) EV. If I did it in my other EV, I wouldn't have had to stop at all. So yes.

@MrDead1975 Год назад

remember when a car was a car capable of any journey length with no fuss, now we have scenario cars for specific use cases

@nickbullough5847 Год назад

And there May well be the issue perhaps with life lol 😂

@ObiePaddles Год назад

Pod cast on Apple too or just here?

@drivingohm Год назад

Just RU-vid.

@billyoung2458 11 месяцев назад

Electric car journeys are ‘Easy in a Tesla’ . I recently drove to southern Spain and back through Portugal. No range worries, No charging worries, free charging. As a bonus the continental Tesla superchargers were usually at great hotels. Don’t look at other EV’s, be smart and get a Tesla.

@alanhowemusic2457 Год назад

Sorry to ask you but how much did it totally cost you to charge your car to get back home?

@Lewis_Standing Год назад

He'll be on intelligent octopus given the Tesla, so it will be 7.5p x 22kwh = £1.65 On GO it would be £2.09 with no smart tariff / price cap £6.60 to fill battery once - Edit just realised you're asking re whole journey ; if he was using gridserve chargers 260 miles would be about 3 batteries worth of energy and if all on gridserve prices £45, but if gets home on empty after two charges petrol at 50mpg would be £34 so not favourable. But doing your annual commute of 10,000 miles a year on home charging would be £237 EV (assuming 9.5p off peak rate and 4m/kwh - it probably does a lot better than this for slow local commutes). Petrol at 50mpg and £1.46/L would be £1314. So you'd save over a grand a year on fuel. but yes - it isnt a great battery to be doing this long journey on. And to save money you do need a home charger. Edit 2 : I forgot gridserve AC chargers are cheaper they are 49p not 69p. so £32 if all energy needed from gridserve chargers. I'm sure Andys £25 is right, if he got better efficiency and therefore needed less kwh.

@drivingohm Год назад

£25 I think. The train cost £125!

@MrDead1975 Год назад

@@Lewis_Standingsomething to remember when quoting "cheap" EV charging tariffs is the more expensive unit rate outside the 4hr cheap rate + the cost of the home charger install. e.g. call it £800 for a charger install, that's about 4500 "free" miles in my ICE

@Lewis_Standing Год назад

@@MrDead1975 so pays off in less than a year is what you're saying :) not bad eh.

@markyates5744 Год назад

@@drivingohm Were you really going to walk away - and face another £125 (or more for a ticket booked on the day) if the car had a issue. The guy could have screwed you over knowing that you were stuck in Sth Wales! Was a great bargain. Will this replace the mini? Are you now a 4 car family + the review cars!!! Would have been great to see the charge stops with more detail. 7 vs 22kw? A map of where you were and the planned stops? What app you used. Think many have said the same. So please do a directors cut with the details!

@RedImp67 Год назад

Whilst not mentioning him by name I love the digs at MacMaster. Why he ever got an electric car is beyond me. Clearly did no research before purchase

@stephenlee5929 Год назад

Maybe, to make negative content?

@jimf4748 Год назад

@@stephenlee5929 Without a doubt. He gets lots of views by moaning about his £120,00 EV. If he bought a petrol car he would have nothing to complain about and no views.

@LiberalLoser Год назад

He's on the wind up. He loves his £120K Porsche EV. I find him quite entertaining in small doses.

@Robert-yb3gm Год назад

@@LiberalLoseryes it’s the nail on the head time he does love his EV, he likes to shock with his click bait vids he’s a bit of a Trump character with a lot of knuckle dragging followers who never consider planning or even a little homework !

@Grahamvfr Год назад

@@Robert-yb3gmhaha, I love that knuckle dragging followers.. My mate subscribes to Macmaster, and you are soo right, as we are both motorcyclisrs, I'll tell him to put his knee sliders on his knuckles lol

@michaelg1724 Год назад

85 mile range 😂

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

Why is that funny? The average daily UK commute is 20.8 miles. You'd charge the car up every 3 days. Still, if you prefer to get financially raped, paying one of the highest rate of fuel duty in the civilised World, then feel free to crack on......

@handsofdoubt31 Год назад

I got the joke😁

@marvinsamuels1237 11 месяцев назад

Prior Planning Prevents P1$$ Poor Performance.

@CampGareth Год назад

That's impressive performance. When I drove my Leaf from Manchester to Devon and back I was apparently doing 40 miles between charge stops in February. Maybe it's time I upgrade to a Zoe? Or at least a 28kwh ioniq.

@MrDead1975 Год назад

or maybe get an ice car and so the same journey with zero refueling stops giving you flexibility to stop where and when you want for a comfort break

@chrishar110 Год назад

@@MrDead1975 Once you drive an EV you don't return back. That video is made to confirm that you can make a long journey with a car designed 10+ years ago as a city car, not as a car for long journeys. Yes you can make 500 miles in a FIAT 500 but it won't be as comfortable and fast as if you do it with a big Merc or a BMW.

@MrDead1975 Год назад

I've got an EV, it's inferior and compromised. if it wasn't it wouldn't take government incentives and legislation to force people into them

@Tschacki_Quacki Год назад

@@MrDead1975 It's not comfortable to get in a blazing hot car. It's not comfortable to spend 5min with ice scraping. It's not comfortable to wash rims. It's not comfortable to drive to a mechanic's shop. It's not comfortable to visit gas stations all the time. When it comes to comfort and ease of daily use, an EV is top notch luxury. No way in heeeeell I'd buy an ICE car again. Why would I? "Waiting" isn't some satanic miracle that's going to destroy my life or make my car worthless. It's just waiting.

@CampGareth Год назад

@MrDead1975 but then I couldn't refuel at home and the fuel I can get is far more expensive. I couldn't preheat the car in winter and the driving experience would be worse with the whole thing vibrating and smelling. 99% of my journeys would be worse to make 1% of my journeys better. No thanks, that's silly I think.

@reddeviluk Год назад

Excellent video, shows the reality of EV ownership. When we're finding out more about the new Zoe, can we please see the gadgets... I'm looking for one, but don't want to buy something that essentially has a tape deck in the dash rather than Android Auto... Many thanks, keep them coming m

@CJMVector321190 Год назад

Over the last year i have noted my miles driven as i will be guying a new car next year so wanted to see how my miles tacked up. Weekday miles are 30-45 miles 80% of the days, max upto 80miles a day. Once a month 120mile round trip. And once a month 225mile journey each way. Plus 2-3 uk holidays needing 250miles but more leisurely. So really EVs are doable. For me it is the initial cost but we see what next year brings really the type of car is the issue a coupe small car does not work for me as i need dog in back space. I think people need to chart their miles and they would ne shocked.

@Sp_75-76 Год назад

MacMaster I guess

@itsbilln2178 Год назад

So when are you meeting up with MacMaster anyway?

@MrDead1975 Год назад

because he'll need a 6 hour head start with all the charge stops

@drivingohm Год назад

Waiting on him.

@leftcoaster67 Год назад

Then there's companies like Mazda who build the MX-30, which has about the same range as a first generation Leaf. 100 miles or 161 km. Good if you are doing short journeys, or as a second car.

@SNORKYMEDIA Год назад

Probably why sales of the MX30 are dismal

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

And just to top it off, it isn't a particularly practical car either.... Mazda's don't sell big in Britain, and never have.

@watcher24601 11 месяцев назад

I lack the lack of common sense. It means people will wait and the first charger and keep the adjacent charge points free. Just found a queue to use a gridserve while the pub next door had a working rapid sitting idle.

@markyates5744 Год назад

Would be nice to see the plan for the charging stops and a map. Will there be a longer directors cut version with this? Were you charging on Tesco 7kw chargers, or did you find some 22kW? Trying to do 3x the range on a non fast charging EV. And how long were the charging stops vs the driving time. If you hit only 7kw hour chargers I'd imagine it would almost be hard to do this in daytime! Sounds like a fun adventure! I've been to a few concerts on my Tesla Model 3 - up to and beyond the range of the SR+ Was a fun adventure to see the wh/mile, what % I would need to charge, or if I didn't. I guess many of us blokes are wired that way for the fun of the challenge :)

@drivingohm Год назад

All 22kW chargers.

@markyates5744 Год назад

@@drivingohm At 4m05s you can see the road name of your first charger - a very unusual name. Markyes Cl, Ross-on-Wye HR9 7BZ. Ironically very close to my handle!!!

@S.J7777 Год назад

Really think these tests should be done with young kids in the car screaming are we there yet

@ObiePaddles Год назад

Not talking about MacMaster are you? thx impressive ho bad his journeys are in a Taycan…

@CGNorwich Год назад

Why is the podcast now on RU-vid? Not particularly convenient

@drivingohm Год назад

RU-vid is the most popular podcast platform. By a fair margin. It also provides comments section and is free to host. The rest aren’t.

@neillgatley8770 Год назад

You should stand as an MP. You did a trip that nadine dorries couldn't, and she had a Zoe 50. Personally, when I had a diesel car, I did a bit of planning and had stations in mind, my preferred locations for a stop. I definitely use public charging less than I used petrol stations as 90% of my charges happed at home, over night, as if my magic. Sadly, I think the majority of people know that they could have an EV in their lives but are fearful of change and have not been for a test drive. After one test drive in and EV, my love affair with diesel was over. Looking forward to seeing more Zoe content. Thanks EVM

@ciupak7932 Год назад

Great...charging overnight...imagine that on road trip (holiday)...

@neillgatley8770 Год назад

@@ciupak7932 are you familiar with the idea of a hotel? I tend to sleep from time to time for safety and sanity reasons. When I am sleeping, it's nice for the car to be charging. If it's a slow change, it's generally cheaper. Charging an electric car is a bit like filling a petrol car, you don't do it while the car is in motion. All cars and drivers need to stop sometimes.

@ciupak7932 Год назад

@neillgatley8770 if you don't value your time, traveling alone and got plenty money.....then yes...EV is for you...

@neillgatley8770 Год назад

@@ciupak7932 i have had my EV since February. Covered 6000 miles and probably used public chargers no more than 20 times. The car in this video will be perfect for most people. It's not very expensive and when it's mostly charged at home, it's not wasting anyone's time. I have given enough money over the years to the oil industry and the net result is seeing that money win trophies for Manchester City. If the fossil fuel companies wanted my loyalty, they could have done something nice with the money at some point. They didn't so I am not their customer anymore. You are welcome to spend where you want l. Have a good a watching a few of the EVM videos and listening, they are very good.

@tonyrest6714 Год назад

🤣🤣🤣⛽️🏍

@heldigt Год назад

Is it a Q or R ?

@drivingohm Год назад

@sagalout Год назад

The problem with common sense is that it’s actually a big ask. MacMaster doesn’t even know how he’s financed a £120k car, is incapable of booking a hotel and can’t even follow his own sat nav. In one video he struggled from Warrington to Leeds….in a car with a 200+ mile range 😂. He beats you on clickbaity titles though to be fair

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

The MacMaster's title pages always remind me of those dotty 1950's US sci-fi films about Men from Mars and UFO's....They are designed to grab your attention and get you to click..... Like the MacMaster himself, they're way over the top.

@andrewstuarttaylor Год назад

The infrastructure is inept.

@Lewis_Standing Год назад

its really not bad now! on a recent trip from newcastle to oxford and back via Scarbados i stopped at a few services to check out the chargers see if they had improved any I found at Thirsk on the A1 there was 8x150kw MFG chargers ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Yl6I4L5EiYk.html Wetherby had 15 Gridserve chargers 3 were 60kw rest were 300kw. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ox5UiSspSo0.html Ferrybridge and Blyth both had 12x gridserve and 12x Tesla 350kw chargers ru-vid.comybjLx3DEKxc?feature=share ru-vid.comIQ99d1A-n_I?feature=share M1 on the way back less good however but really impressed by this Yorkshire stretch of the A1. Progress is occurring.

@drivingohm Год назад

In parts, yes. That’s why planning makes it way easier.

@MrDead1975 Год назад

so your best example can refuel 15 EVs in about 30-40 minutes where my local Tesco with 16 pumps can do about 100 ICE in a similar timeframe, that will scale well when adoption increases

@sagalout Год назад

@@MrDead197570 of those 100 won’t be at the chargers as they’ll be charging at home

@MrDead1975 Год назад

@@sagalout nonsense, if there wasn't demand then they wouldn't build the charging stations in the first place

@leswallace2426 Год назад

Thank you for this, there's a lot of anti EV melodrama and silliness out there from the likes of 'Geoff buys cars', so nice to see an antidote to that.

@Brian-om2hh Год назад

Agreed. 👍👍

@robertbroughton9327 Год назад

😂😂😂 Great video, just proves EV's are fit for purpose no matter what the Battery size (unlike what a certain youtuber says 😉) and as we're all aware the infrastructure isn't as good as it should be yet so a little pre planning is quite rightly needed if you're not in the Tesla gang 😂

@MrDead1975 Год назад

fit for purpose? so how long did the journey take above and beyond an average ICE car and how many hours spent charging over those 3 or 4 charge stops?

@danielcarroll3358 Год назад

@@MrDead1975 And the purpose of the car used is as a city car. It was shown that even with that limitation longer distances could be reached with a bit of common sense.

@drivingohm Год назад

In my Tesla I could’ve done this without stopping.

@danielcarroll3358 Год назад

@@foppo100 For the non UK people here: a milk float is an electric door to door milk delivery truck (or lorry). Most won't even remember when milk used to be delivered to the home!

@MrDead1975 Год назад

@@danielcarroll3358thanks for the clarification, so just get a city car, a long distance car and a fun car that doesn't weigh over 2 tonnes

@salibaba Год назад

Oh c'mmon, I've not even gotten past the title card and I'm amazed at how this can be possible without bending the laws of physics. I mean don't even ATTEMPT this in a Porsche with a battery 3x the size, 10x faster charging speed; YOU MIGHT ALMOST DIE!!!1!