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Electronic, Computer-Controlled Suspension! Rockshox's Flight Attendant | First Look & Ride

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Rockshox's all-new computer-controlled suspension dubbed "Flight Attendant" is designed to make your suspension smarter. But how does it all work? Mike Levy breaks the Flight Attendant and shows us how deep into the future bike tech has gone.
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00:00 - Intro
01:11 - Components
02:53 - What Does It Do?
04:26 - AXS App Integration
06:27 - Battery Life?
07:20 - Do You Need An AXS Drivetrain?
07:48 - How Much Heavier Is It?
08:12 - Can I Still Go Lake Jumping?
09:05 - How Long Has Rockshox Been Testing This?
10:22 - How Expensive Is It?
11:27 - Is It Difficult To Setup?
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@Crackdown2VEVO 2 года назад

In a few years before each ride: "Hey Siri, set my suspension and tire pressures to my Enduro preset and list all my 12 battery levels"

@BIIIKES 2 года назад

"Here's what I found on the web..."

@johnelliottmtb3760 2 года назад

@@BIIIKES I'm dead

@CarkeekW 2 года назад

Ebike , one battery , many dcdc buck. Lights , complication, action.

@Michal.P.P. 2 года назад

"I'm sorry David, I'm afraid I can't do that. Your covid pass expired last week"

@jckgoldness 2 года назад

Wait, thats actually genius lol.

@scottphillips2510 2 года назад

That's cool, are you going to be doing the impossible climb and the efficiency climb on the same bike with and without the system?

@igorwarszawski5509 2 года назад

great idea

@jacobfromerth4589 2 года назад

^^^ What he said

@seandenham1703 2 года назад

@CHELSKI9 Specialized see's what you did there.

@pauloafonso7167 2 года назад

yes

@bepp6120 2 года назад

Everyone be like: we need a complicated mechanism in order to minimize energy loss Sram: if pedal spin suspension go rock haha

@Alex-xt9hn 2 года назад

Are you making an overused joke because you actually think it’s funny or because you want likes?

@spencerholm7713 2 года назад

@@Alex-xt9hn mango

@Alex-xt9hn 2 года назад

@@spencerholm7713 last name is Alamangos

@rolux4853 2 года назад

@@Alex-xt9hn that’s a pretty cool last name

@ianfurqueron5850 2 года назад

I'm more of a "leave everything open" rider and rarely flip the climb levers, so something that automates the process is intriguing. However, if I am planning to do a ride with a lot of climbing, I tend to take a much lighter bike than my enduro bike.

@FlyEaglesFly333 2 года назад

I think that's one of the main reasons why this won't be as popular as something like the axs drivetrain. Someone who wants a better pedaling bike probably doesn't want to add 300g to their bike.

@NoBrakes23 2 года назад

I love the idea of this and other funky suspension wizardry, but at the end of the day, I'm happier just riding a really good linkage up hills and leaving it wide open. I'm partial to anything Dave Weagle designed, but Yeti's Switch Infinity was pretty nice the one time I tried it. I've even ridden a couple of Horst-derived linkages that climbed well open.

@BlackFlag94 2 года назад

I almost entirely ride with my shock in the trail setting, rarely ever fully open. I do flip the lockout (front and rear) when climbing on tarmac though

@JogBird 2 года назад

and a lot of climbs arent even timed

@ianfurqueron5850 2 года назад

@@JogBird Nothing to do with the climb being timed. More about saving energy on the climb for the fun part going back down.

@HeretiCflow 2 года назад

I don't really see the benefit. I would've been intrigued if this system was like an active Öhlins suspension on motorbikes that constantly and intelligently adapts the suspension to the riding scenario. You tip the bike down a steep rockgarden and it ads hsc in the fork, you ride through braking bumps and it softens up. You brake hard and it stiffens up lsc on the fork. Etc. Just to avoid flipping a lever for climbing, this seems to be a $1000 solution to $10 problem. Again. But good for dentists!

@thelethalmoo 2 года назад

Sure they will slowly introduce that stuff bit by bit so it can be sold at a premium for every incremental update.

@Montblanc1986 2 года назад

I doubt this system is that great and then when it’s got some age and been filthy a dozen times will it still work? It’s got a lot of sensors unlike the shifting and dropper

@HeretiCflow 2 года назад

@@thelethalmoo your optimism is astounding! Nah, for that to work you'll need different internals for the damping circuit as well. With the given hardware you cannot open/ close the needle valves quickly enough. But who knows. If that technology gets developed further, maybe we'll see a crossover between Shockwiz and this which will make suspension setup obsolete.

@joelhenderson3723 2 года назад

Looking at Rockshox's video on the system, it seems to be a bit more useful than I thought from this, actually. I don't think it will be as advanced as you're wanting, but it will do more than just lock you out for the fireroad climbs.

@TheUlitamateStunt 2 года назад

Fox tried Livevalve and Specialized tried Brain and both have failed. Its fascinating, I think those predictive systems actually work to make a bike feel unpredictable. Ironically, Flight Attendant is about keeping it simple. We’ll definitely see this replacing the cable lockouts on Scott’s for example.

@Mr.ZiggedWhenHeShouldaZagged 2 года назад

"this has nothing to do with the lapiere system from 9 years ago", "how long have they kept this system a secret? 9 years" HAHAHA

@CalgaryDynastar 2 года назад

Seems like more marketing to the “I need everything new that won’t make me a better rider” crowd. I just enjoy riding my bike 🤷🏼‍♂️

@neuromaniac1472 2 года назад

-Why did you lose the race? -I was hacked!

@gregcavanaugh6259 2 года назад

so that's 3 batteries for the suspension, 1 for the rear der, 1 for the seatpost, 1 for the shifter, 1 for the dropper lever, 1 for your garmin, and the one in your phone in your pocket?? That's more watts than MVDP!

@marcalvarez4890 2 года назад

Electric bikes (mopeds as i call them) absolutely go well with all these electrical gadgets. My 25 pound XC bike....i want it analog....like a tractor from the 1800s.

@IamR3D88 2 года назад

Yea, I'm real against electronic seat posts and shifting, but this seems more worth it. Especially if they get it a bit more active to aid in braking as well.

@mlee6050 7 месяцев назад

So far I'm looking at 24.7lb enduro mountain bike (electric gears and dropper) and wondering if to upgrade to this to for it

@gregoconnor4296 2 года назад

super cool, would definitely demo it. I feel like I rely on my compression damping being consistent/predictable at any given time. Having an electronic actuator changing the compression on the fly seems like it would make the bike less predictable during compressions on landings/cornering... but it's hard to say without trying it. Great review, thanks for the info Mike!

@marcalvarez4890 2 года назад

I love that they engineered this fantastic technological marvel! Im glad it now exists! I absolutely do not want it!...not even at the same price.....i simply do not want my bicycle dependent on the electrical grid.

@marcalvarez4890 2 года назад

@Tammy 23 y.o - check my vidéó Yup. This....I will buy electric parts when its all powered by ONE battery, the motor battery. Motor bikes (E bikes) still have at least half a decade of development before they are powerful, cheap, and integrated. Iwill buy then. Todays crop is obsolete the same year they are bought.

@jnygaarddk 2 года назад

So despite all the fancy PR and buzz words, this is just automatic (variable) lockout, with wireless override, right. No automatic low speed compression or rebound adjustment, no travel measurement or sack information. When I saw the announcement, I thought this was going to take the functions from the Quarq ShockWiz (also SRAM/Rockshox) and build it into the fork and make those adjustment automatic on the fly... Disappointed to learn is just a fancy lockout system.

@pkvillager 2 года назад

I love the idea and would like to have it but I'm not buying a $10k bike to get it. My guess is front a rear shock will cost about $3k a set.

@ASAP2525 2 года назад

You know if they make this a upgrade kit I could see this becoming popular unlike live valve

@JohnyDiV 2 года назад

YT Industries sells the Jeffsy with this system for 9000 Euro. That's not even that bad to be honest, I expected alot more

@ASAP2525 2 года назад

@@JohnyDiV lucky it’s 9900 bucks in the states

@martial8574 2 года назад

You just need a twinlock for 10$ that does the same but better, because you are the one saying " now fullly lock, now fully open " less pricey, more control

@AndrewGustyn 2 года назад

I love that Mike Levy is waving a donut around while doing the video.

@cwlli 2 года назад

Is it... could it be... Grim?

@86309 Год назад

I thought Mike would time the video to the eating of the donut...but he ate too fast.

@countryseller 2 года назад

You’ve explained this system perfectly Levy! I’m not a computer on my bike kinda guy, but if it means i can level up from an all mountain rig to an enduro. Then yeah. Why not?!? Highlight was shaking that shock like a gavel. Hahaha.

@PlaydohDookie 2 года назад

Geez! The Specialized Enduro S-Works will go from Dentist bike pricing to Oral Surgeon bike pricing with this update.

@cedricclark1461 4 месяца назад

😂

@PlaydohDookie 4 месяца назад

@@cedricclark1461 only 2 years too slow 😂

@martinhayes5087 2 года назад

i dont want a bike that needs 7 batteries to adjust my compression settings. i want a fork that doesnt creak within a year of buying it. please.

@northwesttrails7176 2 года назад

And more scratch resistant derailleur paint

@soakinoak 2 года назад

And I would welcome an AXS dropper post that doesn't brake on the second ride, before we take the next step in technology.

@Northstar-Media 2 года назад

Sorry we are right out of round holes.

@keiranmarley4052 2 года назад

Get a motorbike...

@Gabesafish 2 года назад

Woohoo! Finally, something truly groundbreaking for peeps to complain and argue about!

@nandinga0 2 года назад

2 pies? the other "climbing" pie was already there... you just automated flipping the switch. Techie solution to a no-problem (and now I have others: batteries, weight, etc.)

@robygoncalves4348 2 года назад

Great video, thank you

@zoubtube 2 года назад

What they need to do is integrate a similar system like the Motion instruments solution into a product line in order to collect actionable insights on a per trail basis. This would allow us to create baselines per trail. This way, as I ride different trails over time, I can look at the data per trail, and set the appropriate settings per trail either manually, or with flight attended, automatically. That's the ideal solution imo!

@topheavy7616 2 года назад

Nice idea 👍

@guillermohoffmann8417 2 года назад

Very interesting product from RS Mike!. I'm just in the process of changing my XTR Di2 group to an SRAM AXS and I'm pretty much chuffed about it. I love technology and Flight Attendant is impressive in that department but, in my particular case, it's too much from any angle so even when I've been riding MTB's from the middle of '90 and , like I said, love Technology, I see Flight attendant as an exotic gadget. As always your expertise and explanation is 10/10!.. Cheers..

@aldirinaldi2008 2 года назад

I think bike technology getting better everyday so much better so some of them become useless, rather than this i think its better to work on fitness level

@simonmatthews2149 2 года назад

I’d love to have a go with it I’d certainly run it if I had the money

@spuddo123 2 года назад

It's essentially fox live valve but wireless

@notthefirstkylejones5320 2 года назад

I would love something like this. I have the gx axs upgrade kit on my stache and will soon be putting on a fuel ex 5 when I get it. I’d love to add the reverb axs in the future along with some sweet shock and fork combos like this once the bike is out of its warranty period.

@Jahtej 2 года назад

Wooowww just wow :O Need to try it out ! :)

@dano727 2 года назад

Exciting tech ! I hope I can afford it some day !

@cardudeperson7208 2 года назад

Im going to find a way to get my hands on a set of these.

@EmyrDerfel 2 года назад

Ok, but does it Shockwiz? Seems like a missed trick since that's also a Sram product.

@Drewbyy 2 года назад

Shockwiz is on the air side. Maybe they need one on both sides

@eddolous 2 года назад

About time

@86309 Год назад

LOVE IT

@estelja 2 года назад

Awesome, more batteries! Buying stock in Duracell next.

@GreggDeGear 2 месяца назад

I got this system on my Giant Trance X advanced Pro 29 SE for $4500. Giant used to sell them for 8,000. I think this means Flight Attendant is on its way out. But for that price, I got it anyway. I like it as once you set it up you just have to turn it on and roll. Both RockShox Flight Attendant and the Giant Trance X SE are pretty rad. The combination of the two is even better. In fact, this bike surprised me as being one of my favorite bikes in my quiver.

@APT4308 2 года назад

Very cool

@justintoshima9459 2 года назад

I'm currently riding a 2005 Kona Coiler so i think i'll try some suspension with compression and rebound adjustments before I partake in any suspension computers :)

@user-sx9of7ep3x 2 года назад

Omg! future is actually here!!!!

2 года назад

At first site I thought that Mike is holding a beer bottle. I guess it's time to open a beer ;)

@richardseller3733 2 года назад

Was there any talk retrofit onto existing bikes? If you can simply unbolt, should be simple bolt on as well?

@robinrai4973 2 года назад

Man, I'm tryna make a system like this but just for lockout levers for my University project, and all these systems cropping up is both confidence boosting and destroying 😅

@johnv1038 2 года назад

I cant even be bothered to flip the lever so yea lol.

@itscrazycocotime4518 2 года назад

I had a lapierre back in 2015 with the second generation e:i system and it worked pretty well for me, even in the wet Scottish climate. I'm a set and forget person and very rarely lock out my suspension, this might be something I'd run on my bike, but not at the extra cost it's gonna command, maybe in a few years when sram have recouped some of the development costs and price comes down. Be interesting to see what if anything fox counter with, also I'm quite brand loyal with components and tend to go with fox and shimano over rockshox and sram.

@alexkamling9506 2 года назад

Will we ever see this on a Scott Ransom? How much control-lever do they have still in stock?

@colinwatt00 2 года назад

I’m interested what frame manufacturers can do with their designs with this product as a consideration from the onset. Perhaps less anti-squat or more high-pivot idler bikes.

@GaedeRafael 2 года назад

Yeah, true! Haven't tought about that, but this thing can make a revolution in geometries!

@ZOB4 2 года назад

Will it be available as an add-on, considering the parts work as normal if you run out of battery or take it off? Also, can it work with a Pike, or just the Zeb?

@markalarcon1366 2 года назад

What kind of tire u running on your s-works enduro? Kina a like it 👍 thanks 🙏

@gruensein 2 года назад

After all this talk about pedaling efficiency, I am wondering: Is this basically an automatic lock out only or does it actually fine tune the suspension for ride quality/grip etc.? The quark thingies to help with suspension setup need to know the exact fork and shock movement (this is why you calibrate it and it measures the air pressure). The flight attendant doesn't collect this information so I am curious to know what exactly it can do. If it is mostly limited to the automatic lock out feature, it is barely more than a super expensive gimmick IMHO. In that case, I'd even prefer a manual lock out because it doesn't need a battery.

@djjmann 2 года назад

"The system takes information from sensors in the fork, shock, and cranks, and uses it to decide what COMPRESSION setting the suspension should be in: Open, Pedal, or Lock, or even a mix, where the fork might be in one mode and the shock in another. The analysis happens every 5 milliseconds, although the time it takes to actually open or close the fork or shock does takes a little longer than that."

@ericpadilla1117 2 года назад

I could see if you do a lot of continuous uphill, downhill, uphill, downhill, etc. But usually you go up to the top, then down ..... added weight, added cost, added maintenance/replacement parts (sort of why we ditched front derailleur), I'll flip a switch

@AverageJoe97 2 года назад

Can it be retrofit to existing ZEB fork and only be on the fork?

@shanesmith1 2 года назад

So sick!! Also, SUCH good content from the team and presentation from Mr. Levy!

@A.D.D.O.C.D.T 2 года назад

Awesome ads hey !

@prr665 2 года назад

If you have a rear shock that is mounted straight up and down but not parallel, will this product work for you or not?

@kuma_score7536 2 года назад

my question is if it would work with coil shocks as well or if it has to be an air shock

@mtbville 2 года назад

Interesting 🥸

@brianthompson1045 2 года назад

I would like it on my bike! Whatever makes it more fun!

@bernhardsamek3745 2 года назад

Is it possible to program the AXS shift lever to double as a suspension lock lever

@nickrowell2651 2 года назад

I would really like to try this. But to be honest, in reality I don't have much of an issue with my compression settings. If this also adjusted with rebound simultaneously then I would be 1000% more interested.

@stankiah 2 года назад

Wish they would incorporate the rebound as well. Also even a dynamic sag point in the future.

@TCRCARBON1 2 года назад

For sure i would use it. For the no ski lift within a 1000 miles brigade where long climbs are necessary, this gives you an option to enjoy your more burly bike so much more. Climbing efficiency is the Achilles heel of most enduro bikes and this gives a viable alternative. I’d rather have a few little batteries and be able to pedal the hills than a bigger battery in the down tube like some our E brethren. Climbing efficiency as an added bonus adds to the joy of the descent and, after all, isn’t the guy with the biggest smile at the bottom the winner.

@alexanderkorchagin67 2 года назад

Cool, but why only in hi-end bike availability? I wanna buy this one separately with fork and shock

@dt8096 2 года назад

I'm flipping my lever right now looking at this tech. There should be a category on PH for axs goodies.

@asdasdasdasd-si2gw 2 года назад

I'm gonna run them as standard units, for sure!

@JaredHoff 2 года назад

If the battery dies “it reverts to normal” does it stay in the last settings you had?

@cf6174 2 года назад

Not hard to understand that normal means open

@eddelgado2171 2 года назад

Jared, Batteries are interchangeable! When they revert back to normal/open, I am pretty sure that is the setting that you gave the shocks when you set them up; just the way you would on a normal manual shock system. ( With your weight ) etc.

@JaredHoff 2 года назад

@@eddelgado2171 awesome! I can’t afford this anyway lol, but maybe one day…

@daveybmtb 2 года назад

Whats the difference in the air can on these bikes? They look to have different negative chambers, are they new too?

@teephud369 2 года назад

I want that!

@ThunderStruckMTB 2 года назад

Will the fork work alone on a hardtail, or does the fork need a shock to work?

@jacobuserasmus Год назад

I would definitely run it if I had the money :-) The only time when I need to adjust my suspension is when I move really fast and go from one type of terrain to another. Reaching down and adjusting the suspension is a problem, especially when racing and transitioning from a long climb to a steep rocky downhill section.

@christoingram 2 года назад

So will this work with any power meter in place of the pedal sensor?

@crailgrabproductions 2 года назад

What will the name for the xc specific version be? Ground Control? (Except Specialized has already got a tire with that name🤷‍♂️)

@ignaciosevil1944 2 года назад

i need a long term review and bikes tested back to back on fire roads and technical. Please make those bro

@leocaero 4 месяца назад

Funciona la horquilla en un cuadro rígido con potenciometro quarz?

@DCYZ125MX 2 года назад

how does it defer between a hill climb and a jump?

@alhypo 2 года назад

I don't think I'm ready for all these digital components. But I do see the advantage. I've never had trouble flipping my lockout switch... Except those times that I forget to. And I always feel like the lockout doesn't provide enough lockout. The suspension is still too soft when locked out. Which I think is intentional because they know I'm going to forget to unlock it occasionally and they don't want me to destroy it with a hard arrival. But with this system, because it won't forget to unlock itself, it could safely provide way more lockout. Even so, I don't anticipate getting this unless there is a bike I want that happens to already have it.

@norrir1310 2 года назад

You guys should test it on the impossible climb

@sylvainfloch7511 2 года назад

I want a mechanical mountain bike, go away with your electronics everywhere !!

@100Ribby 2 года назад

Did you do any timed testing vs an Enduro with regular suspension?

@paulovieira7637 3 месяца назад

So if my chip dies or the battery dies, the fork still continues to work, but without the buttons to set it properly, it stays on in its last settings, I would assume! Am I seeing it wrong? Or that was just a smooth operator sales pitch....

@flippy66 2 года назад

This is a solution without a problem.

@exhibitD79 2 года назад

This tech is amazing - However, *I love getting away from electronics and screens in my life when I grab my bike and go riding* . I love the grease, gears and mechanical parts. I love not thinking about charging and battery life. The only battery I want to worry about is me!

@SpencerBaum 2 года назад

Is flight attendant compatible with the megneg upgrade?

@jaysealenduro5618 2 года назад

Great... Is there a chance that this will be available after market?

@marktheshark2000 2 года назад

Vital MTB said it ain't going to be an after market thing :(

@cadedyck5635 2 года назад

Will you be able to use this on a hardtail

@denesk2794 2 года назад

I wonder if all this could talk ANT+ and/or a Bluetooth LE and integrate with Garmin devices. That cadence sensor would be amazing to have alone, the Garmin cadence sensor with the rubber bands is not something you want with a flat pedal.

@johnelliottmtb3760 2 года назад

Power meters would also offer richer data, so if it supports ant+ that'd be great for it to support cadence, speed, etc.

@mileshersrud4321 2 года назад

does anyone know if this will or can be put on fox fork?

@colinfrank19 2 года назад

Don’t worry I’ll be waiting until the Sid Flight Attendant comes out #xc

@charles_1523 2 года назад

Does the NDA not let you show your actual impressions of the unit yet?

@Vanadium 2 года назад

Nice idea but not Interested because the super deluxe feels crap to me. I cant convert back to air after going for both coils.

@jaidensbikes8588 2 года назад

What will happen if I put the axis super deluxe on my DH bike

@cudifrak 2 года назад

What if you just climb up the trail and you are about to go down but the trail start with a big drop. Will your fork be lock or not.

@andrewleighton472 2 года назад

Defaults to fully open by the sounds of things. Assuming as you stop pedalling before the drop the compression opens up. Interested to see how it goes as most live units so far thaven’t been able to keep up with things

@chrisgarland9381 2 года назад

Yes I think it’s awesome.

@wsl5585 2 года назад

Prefer a device to optimize the suspension that you can take with you and works on all brands.

@greich7 2 года назад

I love the idea, such a great tech development, but the cost and weight will prevent me from making the switch. Even in the Smokey Mtn's I rarely need to use the climb switch, and I would worry about the electronic system not making the adjustments I need them to. Particulary tech climbs where traction is key, or descents where pedaling is still needed.

@bensimon8646 2 года назад

Pedaling while on a descent? What? Come out here to the Rocky Mtns!!

@KastanDay 2 года назад

Real question: Is this better than flipping a climb switch? The only example I can think of is during a punchy climb in the middle of a downhill run, which is the only situation where I don't bother to flip my climb switch.

@KastanDay 2 года назад

Does it dynamically adjust during a downhill run? Does it do anything during a downhill run other than open up the compression damping?

@BurnsRubber 2 года назад

This would be a huge advantage in downhill races in pedal sections. But just give me a lockout button. Betting this will fail like Fox live valve because it’s trying to be too clever.

@AlejandroGarciaIglesias 2 года назад

No, the reason Fox Live Valve is failing is that you need a bike designed for it with cable routing and battery holding, and that's only a few Giant and Pivot models. This one won't require any special bike and although from what can be seen in this video you need a special fork and shock, there's a chance we can see it in the future being an upgrade to newer generation "standard" forks and shocks.

@trevorhernandez9381 2 года назад

It’s a cool concept but centering its application around climbing efficiency is an interesting route when we already have a lever to do the same thing. If you’re really that concerned about being able to climb just buy an e bike

@David-rb3tk 2 года назад

...or get fitter.

@gabrielsevilla4295 2 года назад

Does this work with the Qarq Shock Wiz?

@SwordFighterPKN 2 года назад

K2 had the Smart Shock back in the early 2000's that did something similar, so what is old is new it seems. This is funny.

@demilsondasilvabrito4812 2 года назад

Top !!

@billjohnson1564 2 года назад

I ride a Scott ransom, it’s not that hard to push the lever before a climb.

@amhtxc2960 2 года назад

The little brain lives attached to the fork so is an option for crazy front travel hardtails too...Mightbe with a sensor that needs to be stuck to the rear triangle. Will they offer the fork-only option in the future?