It was hinted at when Neptr wanted to help BMO with the case, and BMO told Neptr that they're not alike in the episode called "BMO Noire" in the fourth season of the show. That piece of dialogue stood out as odd to me, and when he said he'd treat him as equal in this miniseries; I remembered that episode and it made sense.
@@SalemsRising I'm convinced in *SPOILER ALERT* the future 1000 years in the future when he is depicted as the 'king of Ooo' but he's literally... alone... was him DECLARING HIMSELF king of Ooo... he doesn't do anything kingly or leaderly... he's a recluse on a mountain surrounded by junk... old junk from his friends adventures...
A cute thing to note about PB and Marcy in this mini series is the fact that Marcy has on the same outfit from "What Was Missing", and in the same episode Marcy sung "I'm Just Your Problem" where the first lines are: "Sorry I don't treat you like a goddess, is that what you want me to do? Sorry I don't treat you like you're perfect, like all your loyal subjects do. Sorry I'm not made of sugar, am I not sweet enough for you?" Marcy literally became everything she said Bubblegum wanted and she was kinda right
Herohammer Studios lumpy space princess didn’t fit in any of the elements so the star not fitting in the enchiridion meant that she wouldn’t fit in the element series
That's why she's a stronger character than Betty. Unlike like little Miss I'm going to to pull a Barry Allen and fuck the timeline Marceline actually adapts to her misfortune.
14:55 remember when Ice King was explaining that he knows a lot about Finn and Jake and one of the facts stated is that Jake is too afraid to cry for real because he's afraid of true emotion
That is why i loved ice king. And why i thought betty should have taken simon as ice king. Ice king bonded with finn and jake as ice king. Same could work with ice king and betty.
You should probably keep in mind that robots such as bmo were affected by elements. It makes sense considering everything is converted into an element.
Princess Bubblegum is also older than all of the other elementals combined, since Patience didn't really age while she was on ice. When Patience St. Pim froze herself all those years ago at the start of the Mushroom War, I think she inadvertently threw the whole elemental reincarnation cycle out of balance and it's been seriously screwed up ever since.
This confuses me. Patience froze herself and therefore no ice elemental reincarnation. so why does PB live forever if the other candy elementals in the past don't? why would the reincarnation be a gum person?
@@FishwicksREALyeah the lore breaks itself here because PB came into existence with the mushroom war. But candy elementals already existed, so you can be whatever species and still be a reincarnation like with fire elemental from evergreen time not being on fire. With PB I assume her mutation gives her a longer life span
@@FishwicksREALpb may not be a typical elemental or an elemental at all, like it is possible mushroom war era of candy elemental died and his remains mutated (mother gum). The real candy elemental might be hiding somewhere because they are afraid of being hunted by pb. Or nature does not need to send a new candy elemental because there is a person with elemental powers around, maybe she counts as a elemental by the nature, even if she has not been chosen for this by it.
I think PB lives forever because PSP hasn't died yet. Fire and slime live together as Ice and Candy do, and if Patience ever croaked, I think PB would become mortal again.
@@PokeyKart123I’m pretty sure they do. All that really seems to be different ,apart from their names and being slime, is that they want to be assimilated.
Ice king in the suit and glasses was my favorite he has ever looked. In fact, I think he looked better than most new looks for cartoon characters. It was great
It was important to show Fern and Lemongrab approaching the fire kingdom warriors because those two are the biggest warriors themselves in the candy kingdom. Even though their fighting spirit was eliminated by the candy curse, this clearly shows how they subconsciously tried to fight back through kindness instead of power or anger, by forcing juice on the fire kingdom people, which could possibly put out their flames
'I really like what Ice King said to Betty "look lady, I don't know you and you don't know me, but we're the only two sane ones left in this messed-up world. Or, maybe the rest of the world's okay and we're the ones losing our marbles." As with a lot of their quotes, this one hit me hard. And in the context, with both of them loosing themself to the sad and mad world of wizarding, it was so sweet and sad.
Idk if this means anything, but Marceline once told bmo a story about how her bestfriend (pb) was becoming a potato, and she was trying to cure her. But once she had the cure, her bestfriend became a potato tower, and she accepted her faith as a potato aswell, so they both became potatoes. I think that might be a hint to how Marceline became a marshmallow. Maybe she wanted PB to change, but after realizing she couldn't, she gave in.
I think Ice Carol was unaffected because she froze herself, and wasn't frozen by Patience. As she said, she literally WILLED herself to evaporate into a cloud person.
I wouldn’t be surprised if she just turned into hail from the extreme cold. Evaporated water turns to clouds and then eventually produces rain, snow, or hail depending on the weather.
The saddest part about Elements was Patience cutting short Betty's attempt to bond with the IK outside of Simon. They looked so cute and like something could've been born there and maybe just maybe avoid so much tragedy. Patience is a cvnt.
I agree. its one of the few times you see her just loving ice king because she loves Simon. she accepted him and allowed herself to be happy just in that one little moment. 'don't wanna stare at happiness too hard y'know.' it broke my heart they couldn't just stay that way.
I think that CANDY: Makes you forget your past and accept the present, without shackles of future or past people are happy and docile "All The Candy People" ICE: Forces you to focus on the past, unable to forget memories and impossible to remove yourself from depression and pain "Patience Still Having her 'Party'" FIRE: Allows you to remember and think but causes you to focus on things you can't control and be angry at it "Finn Fighting His Heroic Rage" SLIME: Amplifies your emotions so that people can live an a euphoric high the closer they get to the elements "Slime Princess Absorbing People"
Okay but hear me out- The people who are iced- turn cold. They don't lose their memories BECAUSE- those memories- event the happy ones- are turned into cold reminders of their past lives. The people who are fired- are hot headed. Their memories fuel their rage. People who are slimmed don't honestly change that much, simply because of how literally versatile they are. Finally- those who were candified- became happier. Simply because- and yes- pun intended- their memories got sugar coated. Their minds got literally glazed over-. Yes i'm late- but not really- this is just the first time I thought to ever say something about it.
That's pretty much what I thought. It makes sense too. When you're happy, you don't think about sad times or anything troubling. Being overly happy would probably make you forget about those memories completely. They don't even have to be sad memories, just memories that might be troubling or even memories that have the slightest bit of complexity that can't just be suppressed. When you're sad or even apathetic, you probably do remember happy memories, but instead of viewing them as happy, you might view them as a time of "being better" even if you don't know why. All you know is that you're not happy now. You still have all of your memories, but the feeling that those memories contain is either erased and washed up. When you're angry, you're incompetent and any type of memories, happy or sad, aren't even thought about. All you see is red, and all you know is that you want to take it out on someone even if they have nothing to do with it. I'd argue that slime is self-indulgence, lazy, or over contentment with how things are. You're being passive in a situation where conflict is needed. Being sluggish, lazy, and unbothered by generally everything. You kinda go with the flow, which makes sense as to why Jake was susceptible to it. You still have your memories, but they're not at the forefront of your mind. They're not your main focus, so you don't think about it all that much. All you want to do is have fun, indulge yourself, not necessarily be happy since that requires too much energy, but to be satisfied with no sense of self-preservation which is why Slime Princess doesn't fight against it. She just doesn't care enough. All of these things are what people have felt at a certain point in their lives, so it makes sense that this is what the elements would be based on.
It wasn't just a joke about two Finns. Ice king said "they've got a picture of your best friend on them" Finn's shirt had Ice King on it, so when Finn put on the second shirt Ice King interpreted it as Ice King not being Finn's best friend. That was why he screamed
The reason Ice King reacted so harshly to the two Finns joke was because he had enough of classic Simon left in him to realize that there were also two of himself, Ice King and Simon. The comment about the one on top being fake was a subconscious way of saying the Ice King, the personality on top or being presented was not the true Simon, and only a fake, magic mutated form of himself.
Theory: If ice King was elementified, and was transformed back he would transform into simon. And maybe if the ice crown was also elementified i would go back to giving a wish
@@chamberstommy I guess its the same way pb didn't turn back into a wad of gum, the candy people didn't turn into piles of sugar and jelly beans, and how marceline kept her vampirism. The magical essence still exists, just no longer corrupted and elementified. sweet pea is the lich, just not dead and bloodlusted
Did anyone else notice at 54:22, the shape of the continent of Ooo is a phoenix. Civilization, society, and life rising from the ashes of a dead world.
Justin Roiland voices anywhere between 60% and 100% of characters in a given Rick and Morty episode, including Rick and Morty themselves. He also voices Lemongrab
The later episode "Ketchup" implies that Marceline went to Patience St. Pim to stop the transformations before PB fully transformed, but when she saw the transformation complete, she let herself be transformed too.
50:27 i feel like ice king’s glasses flying off as he exclaims that he is his own person and deserves respect can be seen as a metaphor. Simon’s glasses fly off and ice king is being his own person. Its a great touch even if it wasn’t on purpose
I think the reason why PB didn't take their all memories, because they remember what was "wrong" with them, what was causing them pain and, in some cases, suffering, and that's why the candified people were extremely loyal to her. In my opinion, PB had has some messiah-complex, and in this miniseries, I clearly saw that. (Sorry for grammar)
Yeah it’s kinda like a cult in a way as cults as usual pray on weaknesses and act like they care about you but in reality there just manipulating you to become super dependent on them.
I think Fin being the most susceptible to the fire realm helps further the connection between him and Flame Princess coming back 3 years later to say i think this is a lame take now lol
I think it's more a matter of ideals aligning. BMO, a happy-go-lucky character, was more susceptible to candification than Finn and Jake, while Jake, a more laid-back character, was more susceptible to slimification. Finn meanwhile is more of a fighter, so naturally he was the most susceptible to the fire kingdom
I genuinely think it has something to do with Finns anger as well. He shows it many times and in moments of frustration he does the Finn scream "rrrRRRRRRagggghhhhh!!" Exactly as he does when he is turned to flame. His rage even goes to affect how he view bubble gum (in the sense it took him a moment to calm down even when he thought of her, the fire burned up the thought first.)
That, and it also fits with probably what's going on his head all the time since he discovered his biological father, suffering from trauma of every shape, size, and severity, and of course puberty. Basically, I think Finn has a surplus of repressed rage boiling in his soul, and the Fire Element caught that.
I never felt right about finn being turned, personally it just bugged me that finn who has grown a lot over the years and has become less senslessly violent, only violent when he needs to defend the ones he loves. It felt out of character to me, especially since Sweet P was never candified, Its because he was the lich right? A reincarnation of the catalyst comet, same as finn. So shouldn't his natrually magic body resist the elements? Also Also, didn't betty case "The Most Powerful Flame Shield" like Cinnamon Bun, who resisted the fire because of said flame shield. Pretty significant plot hole. And on a side note I also personally didn't like how jake "died" in the prior episode he was genuinely vulnerable about how scared and worried he was about his pups and lady. And yet in the next episode he is immediately no care in the world cheering with the slime people and willingly being absorbed into SP. It just left a bad taste after such a sweet moment of vulnerability. (Also this is just my opinion, things I thought were holes in the story and things I just didn't like. If you like it, that's great and I respect that)
Another bit of LSP foreshadowing is that in the intro the candy is spreading towards her, yet the first episode she appears in, she was supposedly turned into slime. Meaning when the candy touched her, she wasn’t effected by it.
He's definitely mixing up the 4 temperaments in associating with the elements. Phlegmatic was candy, and sanguine was slime. It seems easy to associate "sweet" behavior with candy, but in reality slime was the most active, social, and enthusiastic. Aspects of calm, peacefulness, and apathy very clearly correlate with the candy element, as even more than "happiness" they show an extreme adaptability and trend towards absolute complacency of their dystopic society. In terms of happiness, candy embodies contentment, not joy, so phlegm makes more sense for them. Great connection though, I think the 4 humors exactly describe the emotional states of the elements!
If you look at the circle depicting the 4 temperaments, and rotate it 90' clockwise, it lines up perfectly with this interpitation. On the other hand, if you mirror it, it fits into the given one, so take that for what it's worth...
Betty's outfit is permanently like that to show the damage, and lasting effects, from her brush with magic. Even when she tries to shed down her facade of Magic Woman and be herself, she can't. She is not Betty. She is Magic Woman.
I really wish I thought the same or was at least mildly surprised. It was mainly LSP commenting about Finn having a “Tight butt” that really threw me off.. (just... contextually more than concept)
@@captainbirch9835 if it was any series, it’d be AT (maybe gimbal idk.) There have been a couple MPreg episodes on kids cartoons.... unfortunately... just not on CN (unless TTG has done anything that I don’t know about,, or anyone else)
I think Prismo and The Cosmic Owl's reaction to Betty say she will stop the mushroom war stems from the fact that an alternate timeline where Finn wished for the Lich never existed created a mess so big they needed the Maid to clean it up. Creating these alternate timelines might also create alternate Liches which exist as an existential threat to all of existence.
Calling Ice King "Simon" is like calling Darth Vader "Anakin" they have they and body technically but they are not the same person at all And it just doesn't feel right
But we know Darth Vader will never come back, yet ice King has a chance. The comparison doesn't entirely apply due to the two characters holding very different positions in their respective stories.
Except Vader or rather anakin came back as well as death Vader just doing things because anakin thought he couldn’t go back they are one and the same it’s more closer to Vader anakin Simon and ice king are on different sides of the same coin only one can ever be seen but they know they are one and the same
I really like your “reviews” because it just feels like geeking out about adventure time with a friend lol. I just watched like 6 hours of your content. So good job my guy!
What I love about Finn's comment: "Looks like we're at the bottom of the ocean" is that it harkens back to the episode about fears, where Finn did actually go to the bottom of the ocean.
@Brendan does Stuff I just realized that people in Adventure Time use "Glob" as a pseudo-swear word, while Golb is a malevolent deity that exists. Maybe the same thing as "Jeez"/"Jesus"?
Your explanation of the transmogrified princess bubblegums personality kind of reminds me of Dolores Umbridge from Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, because all throughout the book it describes her voice and mannerisms as overly and falsely sweet when her intentions are truly not.
Yeah but everyone thinks she’s a bitch, even the people that follow/work for her. She wasn’t hiding her prejudice, rather wore it proudly on her sleeve especially if it would help her tower over others. PB is a monarch and kind of like a “goddess” (or a Demi-goddess like the one that made humans in Greek mythology) and slowly learns how to humanize herself and her thinking (I think. I never watched the full series, just on the sidelines)
I think cutting to prismo and the magic owl watching on the wall of prismo's time room was just a gag to poke fun at reality television. These two characters are kind of like gods in this universe so they're the audience reacting to the drama of their favorite show.
50:30 also, the glasses that ice King wore was perfectly timed. When he was wearing it, he said "I'm must be a special person" (I know the dialogue isn't accurate) referring to him being Simon before, then when it was removed by the wind Ice King claimed to be worthy of respect as a different person showing that he is a different individual. It's just a perfect resemblance. Notice my comment :
12:43 Ice king at the end of the reaction says "oh i get it, the top one is fake" that means he really thought both finn heads were real, like the ooze zombie monsters from when the mushroom bomb exploted, some of them with multiple faces, arms, mouths, etc. He is basically having a ptsd panic attack in that moment, is not a simple gag is actually terrifying how even he dosent remember being simon he has some recollection of the trauma that was fighting those mutated ppl. Like imagine al those represed memories of what use to be ppl crowling in the grown moving like insects with the miltiple limbs, faces, eyes, mouths, trying to get to you and make you one of them meanwhile them mumble gibrish, in top of that being somone you care about that you know personal info of them to the point of knowing there measurements for clothes. Like ice king even if he has no recollection of simon, he has the spirit of him, he never trully hurt anyone or killed anyone in the series, he just looks for princesses cuz he se to call betty that and the trauma of she disappearing(and he thinking he killed her when he was not in control) and finn, somone you used to fight and that is now ur friend and actually worries about you having the appearance of an ooze? I also would be terrified, also sometimes when ice king takes care or worries about someone else remembers me how simon used to worry about Marceline...
Personally I believe Prismo and Cosmic Owls reactions are because what Betty is doing, trying to go back and change so many major events, might be considered a cosmic crime
I always thought it was because the mushroom bomb exploding was a set event in space-time, and it's what started the great mushroom war, but it would also remove the alternate timeline Jake who became the new physical body of Prismo from existence, thus destroying Prismo, as for the Cosmic Owl's worry, if I had to guess it's simply because Prismo's one of the few beings he can interact with, without worrying about altering space-time too much
In regards to Prismo and Cosmic Owl's reaction, I think it's just because the Mushroom War was such a huge, impactful event, possibly a fixed point in time. No doubt countless realities hinge on it happening. While yes, the multiverse is infinite, I like to imagine in the cosmic scheme of things, there are "core realities", as has been theorized about the way the multiverse in Rick and Morty works. The Mushroom War, while awful from a human/mortal perspective, probably needs to happen. As for the personalities associated with the four elements, I don't know much about the four humors, but the way I interpreted it was that each of the elementals became a reflection of how they feel inside. Bubblegum we've seen several times would like to forego being a leader and a scientist in favor of a simpler, fun-filled life. "Too Young" is the best example, but we also see it in Burning Low and the Pajama War. Flame Princess is a dignified and empathetic ruler, but she has very chaotic roots. "Fire's purpose is to burn" she once said in reference to herself. She only is the way she is now through conscious effort. Slime Princess, from what little we've seen of her, seems to be a party girl at heart, so Slime Kingdom became one big party. And Patience we know the least about. However, it isn't that much of a stretch to assume her animated, extroverted exterior hides a lot of doubt, pessimism, and apathy. That's often the case for people; they overcompensate for their emotional shortcomings by making their personalities more aggressive and "out there" to distract people from the truth. But that's just my interpretation.
I like that interpretation a lot, though I never got the impression that PB did anything that would be fun purely for her own sake. If anything, she just magnified her imperialistic tendencies.
True, but it can be seen in all the candified people. They all have a disturbing child-like innocence. They're TOO innocent, unchecked in their detachment from the world. While Bubblegum's imperialistic tendencies were amplified, she did it with this same pseudo-naivety.
Ghostsurfer421 Well it could be that Finn was around to stop the Lich. Remember the Lich was around as a catalyst comet/primordial monster before the Mushroom War. The Mushroom War just gave the Lich a body. It's entirely possible that he would have found a way to kill everyone after he got (or found) a body. Remember Finn wouldn't have the tools to stop him here and the Ice Crown wouldn't be there to save him. Prismo, the Cosmic Owl, and the Universe all would've been fucked.
Uncivilized Elk Cosmic owl and prismo probably had an extreme reaction for the same reason prismo was scared of his boss. (prismo mentions his boss during "crossover" I think). Like jermaine, they have a career in the supernatural. Like martin, certain things are cosmic crimes. C.O. and prismo were probably shocked because of their general responsibility in handling these two things.
At 48:21 when he said “LSP can reject magic” It’s weird that In season 1, episode 25 we see lumpy space princess become a cyborg from a ‘magic’ nail used by Finn.
50:58 It's probably because Betty was going to commit a cosmic crime on a scale never seen before. She was going to create a completely new reality, and possibly obliterate one in the process. It's a violation of the natural order being done so carelessly, only Prismo is actually allowed to do that.
If Betty destroy the ice crown, Simon won't come to help Marcy, Marcy wont kill the vampier which mean there're no island which mean no Finn, ect. If she stop the mushroom bomb, the whole world will be similar to farm world and we all know how it end.
Duy Khang Trần I doubt it, Don't forget in the farm world timeline, after Simon died the crown plunged the world in ice for 400ish years. By doing that it destroyed civilization. If Betty destroyed the crown, the world would have been the same as it is now. (Of course if she could stop the mushroom war from happing) But that what I think
I love how Betty goes on a crazy rant about how she might be able to go back in time and stop the mushroom war from happening, and then it just cuts to Prismo and the Cosmic Owl being like: “oh shit-“ is hilarious, Betty’s laugh is amazing
Oh my goodness, what if the baby fire wolf from "Thank You" is cinnamon buns trusted companion? And more important, I'd like to note that fire wolf is a god-tier pun on Rpg DnD Dire wolves, and it must be known!
Fiona and cake version of the intro Adventure time Come on grab your friends We’re going to very Messed up lands With Fiona and Cake Ice Queen and Eddy Who knows how it will end It’s adventure time!
14:00 I think you’re giving her undeserved credit. People losing their memories didn’t seem to be intentional, it was because (as far as I can tell) their elemental qualities were so pure that they became seemingly, focused, and 2D in their thought processes. Their depth was removed. The candy is about happy thoughts and a desire to push out bad thoughts, which is good and bad. It can help us to cope but it can also lead to airheadedness and recklessness.
If Sweet P reverted back to having 2 horns, why didn’t Ice King revert back to being Simon? Sweet P wasn’t affected by any of the elements (except LSP) but Ice King was already affected by ice in a way
Chatsberry refers to wish magic as "the real deal" implying that it is immensely potent. I think due to this and the amount of time the crown has been worn by Simon meant that even an anti element wouldn't effect it.
Ryan Eves the ice crown is not elemental magic it’s manufactured magic. It only has elemental powers because of the wish imprinted upon it. Therefore since it is not an elemental item, it is unaffected by the elemental changes.
Since the new episode Bonibel Bubblegum we learn crunchy is actually Cousin Chicle. So that means that at least one of the evil candy members bonibel created was turned back into docile candy form since in episode Graybels 1000 Plus we see him emerge out of that candy capsule. Now we have to worry about the punch bowl/ piñata. The moment LSP turned everything back to the way it originally existed was when the 3 candy citizens went missing. Though why PB didn’t suspect something was up is either a plot hole or ignorance. We see missing posters for the 3 missing candy citizens. Maybe she was busy contemplating how she almost candy-fied the world, and feels guilty/burdened. On another note PB in her pure candy elemental tower form said “ im connected to all candy though-out all the galaxies” which might hint at there being candy life elsewhere, maybe due to her candy seeding probes. Just my thoughts probing around.
I have an idea on the memories of all the candyfied/slimed/fired/frozen characters. Each one is a metaphor for looking at traumatic events, ie. In the show, ooo being corrupted. In candy, they lose all their memories and are replaced with artificial happiness, like maybe how a sad,depressed or grieving person may take to drugs to find a way out. In the slime area, they are all trying to live "in the moment" and run away from their problems. In the fire kingdom may be finding overwhelming, unsatiable anger at whatever had caused them harm. And lastly, in frozen waste is where the people feel sad and guilty, to a point of little motivation, much like the saying, "crying does less to fix a situation then going and doing something about it"
Marcelines story to BMO about her experience as a Candy person was truly sad, she tried to save PB only to realize it was too late and there was nothing she could do and finally jsut accepted it alone and sad only to be turned into the joyful campfire queen but within is just a forceful acceptiom
I think a key reason Prismo and Cosmic Owl look so concerned and shocked is because what Betty was about to do would alter the chain of events in such a drastic way only a Wishmaster should be able to, and it would be even more finite then what Prismo is capable of. They were afraid because a woman who had clearly finally lost it was about to do something even godlike beings would not.
I think the reason pb could overpower the other powers was because she decided to take an active attempt to convert people. Every elemental was passively taking over their areas because the land changed without them choosing to, but pb went out of her way to overpower them. Also like you said, sp and patience didn’t put up the effort to stop it and fp didn’t get the time to prevent it.
You know, both my Grandfathers (that's both on the paternal and maternal sides of the family tree) having Alzheimer's disease, I can definitely see the wisdom in Tiny-Manticore's advice to Betty. But the problem is Alzheimer's doesn't leave a new person, just a shell drifting more or less consciously through life... tl;dr: I hope Betty finds a cure for Ice King and herself, so that they can retain their powers but still regain their minds.
12:30 Finn says it's like being at the bottom of the ocean yet he is completely calm saying it. So he did overcome his fear of the ocean... If I recall correctly it wasn't explicitly stated previously. But I may be wrong IDK. Didn't notice it until now though
He overcame his fear doing the billy checklist, one listed item was to float in the ocean so finn had to overcome that fear to finish Billy's bucket list. which if I remember correctly was before these events
ice kings reaction to the 2 Finn sweater thing is because earlier in the episode ice king says that their sweaters have the faces of their best friends on the sweaters and Finn putting jake over ice king symbolises to ice king that Finn dose not think ice king is his best friend
I think Betty or Magic Woman's suit is a reference to Uma Thurman's character in Kill Bill, except for the black. Also, I realized that I wrote this way after the video was uploaded... I like to binge watch 😬
