Elesh Norn vs Thassa vs Mirko Vosk vs Yarok EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering 

No.

Your opponents must not have played Yarok much lol they let you use and abuse them. Soon as you searched for that Cyclonic rift they should have all gone after you non stop. I also wanted to mention a super spicy play with Venser while Yarok is out is bouncing venser back to your hand and bouncing whatever spell or permanent as well. It gets pretty devastating especially if you manage to get a Muse out.

Island, Panharmonicon, then Avenger...then the 0/2s get wiped by Elish Norn.... had they been 3/4's. But that you know, happens to the best of us still.

Should be noted Frank that Sword of the Animist gives +1/+1 to the Angel, so you actually should have gotten that.

Frank. You make me want to build yarok. Ugh.

Replacement effects woo!

Discussing wordings takes longer then checking rulings, still ppl still discuss them :(

Same with Curse of the Swine. Had to learn that, too.

Yep gotta think about it like path to exile. You still get a land if it hits your commander.

yea its kinda like chaos warp

Nope spark doubble will come in as an ability less frog but with an additional +1+1 counter.

Acedio is correct. There are some other rare things that affect copiable values, but continuous effects are not copiable. 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

I don't think there's a dependency here, so actually it will depend on timestamp order. Lands that became Islands before Urborg entered will be Island Swamps, but lands that became Islands after will just be Islands.

@@NMS127 Really? That's weird. Timestamps are probably the most complicated and counterintuitive aspects of MtG, in my opinion. Just looked it up, you're indeed right. Timestamps matter.

A 1/1 no ability creature named Avenger of Zendikar, but ya.

@@slavetophage1688 That's incorrect. The copy still copies the original text and abilities and not any temporary status effects. For the same reason a clone doesn't enter pumped if he copies an equipped creatures. Copy always takes the original card.

@@DerLhurgoyf no that is incorrect. At this Moment the copy is a frog with 1/1 and no abilitys. It is not boostet or anything it is Morphed therefor spark doubble enters as a 2/2 frog alles Avengers of zendikar with no abilitys

lokiarn15 and DerLhurgyf are correct. There are some other rare things that affect copiable values, but continuous effects are not copiable. 706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The "copiable values" are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, and counters are not copied.

@@simonkerstgens6888 as from the gatherer: 5/3/2019 Spark Double copies exactly what was printed on the original permanent (unless that permanent is copying something else or is a token; see below). It doesn’t copy whether that permanent is tapped or untapped, whether it has any counters on it or any Auras and Equipment attached to it, or any non-copy effects that have changed its power, toughness, types, color, or so on.

The moment I scrolled down, I knew I was entering spoiler country

I play a buget version of yarok. It regularly beats much more competitive non-budget decks. Shit is scary

Frank here, this is a great point! Wish I would have noticed that.

Sorry if I'm being an idiot here, but wouldn't all of his creatures survive due to the elesh norn pump?

@@TheOwnerX5X No. Elesh norm doesnt pump herself. So while your thought process is valid, as soon as she died, the other tokens would lose the buff that made them 2/2's, making them 0/0's

@@DrunkSemenThrowr right, for some reason my thought process just stopped at "elesh norn would die", without further considering the consequences of that

It is.

And a very very expensive card!

Most expensive commander

I'm waiting to get one

ErikTheRedd1 where can I buy Trevor tokens?

@@jthrone7768 @MtgMuddstah please make trevor tokens

Trevor’s biceps are 6/6s with intimidate and brotection from leg day.

@@KYeung-be4lw can confirm

Just to add - Those differ from "Die" triggers since it look at where the creature went instead of what happened with it. Reason that if the Commander go to the zone it will not trigger any Dies effect

I guess this is consistent, but I can't find any rule that spells it out. And it leads to a different result from the definition of "exile" and the linked ability rules that apply to cards like Oblivion Ring. But I guess those rules don't apply to effects that don't specify "exiled cards"? Really, I think there should be a rule clarifying cases like this. 406.2. To exile an object is to put it into the exile zone from whatever zone it's currently in. An exiled card is a card that's been put into the exile zone.

Nothing is destroyed or exiled in either these cases, still the end result is correct, you get lands and you get the counters. Both the send to Command Zone and RIP are replacement effects. A replacement effect should be read as if it were the text of the card or the apropriate ruling. This means that the controler of a commander hit by winds or path may chose to "rewrite" the efect as: Send to command zone, fetch land. Likewise, bane with RIP will read "for each card exiled this way, +1/+1 counter" etc. Why this matter? Dies (put from the field to the gy) effects wont trigger in both cases, and for the commander, you dont need to chose if you want to send then to the cz if they are hit with deputy of detention, for example (you send to CZ and you may cast it as usual or remove the deputy to bring the general back, what isnt the case with the old wording, such as in sphere of detention)

Because of salt. Funny enough, those spite players are the 1st to cry "op" despite their terrible threat assessment leading to those situations.

because the white player is still Trevor and a pretty good magic player :)

The player wins not the deck 😉

people see smothering tithe and think "how dare he punish me for drawing cards?!" and tend to focus that player. My experience is that dumb value commanders like Yarok should be under the gun from Turn 0, and make for good default targets if there isn't an obviously better target.

16:30 nvm HAHAHAHA

Also Entity and Shepherd have +2 from norn, so he should have gotten them.

Yup came here to say this! Thank you fellow rule nazi! Haha

@@apock2474 but Norn will die, then the others lose that +2/+2 so they will die also

Seems pretty obvious. Misplays like that are why it becomes increasingly more difficult to continue watching this channel. I'd be fine if it happened because of some complex wording(like chains of Mephistopheles) or if an unknown mechanic was used(like banding) but that's not the case. They miss easy stuff. All the time. I love EDH but misplays ruin the game.

Sorry to hear that you're not enjoying the games, Charles! We're all pretty casual when it comes to things, so stuff like this slips through the cracks. Hopefully you'll enjoy the next game better.

@@charlesmaillho367 Hey Charles, film yourself playing with some friends and then we can point out you and your friends misplays. This isn't a grand prix or pro tour so maybe relax.

@@TheKamikozi321 I will film myself purposely making simple mistakes just to appease you. It's MTG where you can check gatherer for easy rulings on how card mechanics work. If you want to see mistakes then, by all means, I'll film the worst game you've ever seen. But if you want to actually play magic then it's important to read the cards and know how they work, not miss triggers, and make sure you understand player interaction properly. If not, then I don't know what game you're playing because it certainly isn't magic. I'm a casual player as well but when a missed trigger causes the table to have to back the game up or causes the player to win/lose, it leaves a bad air about the game. All I'm saying is that easy things shouldn't be missed even in the casual format. If you think that isn't an issue then we clearly don't see eye to eye.

@@charlesmaillho367 lol it's casual edh man, no one gives a shit.

paode queijo me either

Well dang! I'm sure they'll see these comments then and hopefully keep it in mind for the future.

But Yarok was not exiled. To be exiled, a card needs to be put in the exile zone.

@@rioniac6887 Yes but the card says exiled target creature you don't control. There is a period after. As a replacement effect you put it into the command zone. Then you search for a land because it was attempted to be exiled and winds of abandon saw you removed it from the battlefield

Actually, no. In order to be exiled, an object just has to be hit by an effect that says "exile". It doesn't matter if it ends up in another zone. Destruction works in a similar way: if you cast Bane of Progress with Rest in Peace on the battlefield, all artifacts and enchantments will go to the exile instead of their owners' graveyards, but they'll still count as "destroyed", and thus Bane of Progress will get the +1/+1 counters.

He also missed agent trigger, he should had draw 3 cards since he control 3 permanents that he doesn't own.

100% accurate

Elesh Norn draws a ton of hate. Not sure it's warranted, but it definitely tilts people.

@@MrJkwatson23 Elesh Norn is mono white and cost tons of mana in a color where ramp can be a weakness. If she gives anyone problems maybe that person should change their deck a bit because she is easy to deal with. She is probably the least annoying out of the praetors by herself. However combined with taxing effects or other anthems she can be opressive that is true

I love it! Thanks for letting me know.

Nope, panharmonicon only works if a creature or artifact hitting the field would cause an ability to trigger. Landfall doesn't work with it

Great Brandini ayy yea i forgot panharmonicon is a little more fair compared to Yarok.

Only reason I know is because my coworker was running Yarok with Pan as well lmao

Thanks Tim!

eXistanCial it is!

@@MTGMuddstah wow, Trevor is one lucky individual to have one. As always, fantastic video btw :)

Elesh Norn gives other creatures +2/+2. Mirror Entity made them into 0/0s, killing Elesh Norn due to state based effects. After that, Mirror Entity no longer is getting buffed, and dies. However, Sword of Animist gives +1/+1, so Trevor SHOULD have gotten that with the target

@@TheFoxlover93 ofc, other creatures not all creatures. Thanks overlooked that

Yes, they do. When the commander moves from one zone to another, as long as the destination isn't the battlefield and the commander is face-up in one or both of those zones, its owner (or the player controlling them, if it's their turn and they were Mindslaver'd, for example) can always choose between putting it back into the command zone, or letting it go to the destined zone.

@Jacob You're wrong. When a Commander would be put into the graveyard, exile, or library, It's owner has the CHOICE to put it in the command zone instead.

I'm fine if he doesn't.

We really need a shirtless tribal deck. Tasigur can be the leader.

If the Zenith had resolved, Trevor would've gotten 24 2/2 cats ready to attack in his turn. That would've put Frank into a very tricky situation: he didn't have enough mana to overload the Rift that turn and would have to waste it to bounce Elesh Norn back when Trevor cast her to make his cat army big enough to swing for lethal.

@@DarkEinherjar but the cats didn't have haste (unless I'm missing something), so once Frank's turn came around he could have just overloaded the rift no?

The cats didn't have haste, but he cast it instant speed in his opponents endstep, so they would be able to attack on his next turn (which was the next turn)

@@andersnielsen3217 ohh I see, for some reason I thought he was casting it in his main phase. My bad. Thanks

@@swampylogs No problem man, i thought that too, and then he untapped all his mama and I were sure I missed something 😜

I think tithe was the bigger hate piece

Very true! 😄

this. Have a Yarok player in my weekly pod.

Lars Nielsen Elesh Norn herself would die, which removes the +2/2. The other creatures then die as well.

@@MTGMuddstah - Ah, right - Thank you, that drove me crazy there for at while - Don't you hate it when you are nitpicking mistakes in magic-videos and it turns out your wrong? Keep up the good work.

^ this

How is this deck boring? It has big flashy plays with bomb creatures. It had a lot of big turns and made the video entertaining considering 2 of the other players didnt really do much.

The deck literally builds itself.

@@yoshisalaverry5502 If that's your basis for saying that this deck is boring than I don't know what to tell you, a majority of commanders "build themselves". Also, there are at least 3 ways to build Yarok currently, Landfall, ETB Good Stuff, and combo.

Even just within the context of this one game, all three of the other decks were much more interesting: UB "saboteurs", monowhite tokens with a general who's seldom played, and monoblue sea creatures/islands matter. Cyclonic Rift, Eternal Witness, and Avenger of Zendikar are super boring by comparison.