But THAT kind of change!, man. That’s like being a devout Muslim (or whatever freaking religion) and then changing to be a devout Buddhist (or whatever other freakin religion). Basically this man had made an extremely difficult choice for his greater good against everything he was taught and that’s bravery if you ask me.
Foe Dickson i was thinking the same religion analogy as you...the change is sooo deep and game changing, that he is brave. But also those he encountred who didn´t just bully and ignoree him, but tried to help him out of that ideology..well done of them too
I don't even know how you do it, perhabs it was as he said, through the efforts of those he was raised to look down on, he got to know them as human beings and started questioning himself. Because if you listen to him speak, those radical white nationalists who he grew up with actually taught him that it is important to think for oneself and see and say things even though most other ppl might be aganst it. They are not stupid ppl, they have some sort of logic and intelligence that they are proud of. I don't even know how to say this. Sometimes I see far right ppl making videos that actually sound intelligent, and I do not know how to contradict them even though I feel that they are wrong. The other sad thing is that on youtube you can see clearly that liberals comment below liberal videos and vice versa, if there is a conservative commenting under a liberal video or the other way round, most of the time there is no discurs at all but just insults being thrown back and forth, and that's not going to change anybody. Ppl search other ppl who are like them because it's nice to be confirmed in what one believes, but at least here I do not see any discussion between the sides going on (again, insulting each other and each other's families do not count), so both sides may become more isolated in their bubble and the conflict will become worse instead of better. How do you change that?
@@Shazzablue2017 however, he not only changed his own beliefs but is speaking out to try and changes others. That he didn't have to do. He could have simply lived his life differently without attempting to make an actual difference. So yes any decent human should acknowledge others and their rights but to speak out against everything you've ever known is going the extra mile.
No, stopping the judging of others, respecting others and yourself, and focusing on your own achievements, shortcomings, mannerisms will leave no time to be focusing on the achievements, shortcomings and mannerisms of others. What causes all this racist hatred is people's feel more better about themselves when they study and judge others, choosing to overlook their own pitiful situation, and shortcomings.
What's nice about his interviews is that he asks questions that allow his guests to speak and elaborate on their ideas; you get to hear where the person's head is at.
Every time I see Trevor Noah do an interview I see more and more the reason why Jon Stewart tapped him to be the next host. When Trevor Noah gets to be the age of David Letterman, Jay Leno and Johnny Carson he will be a colossus.Trevor is only 34 years at the moment. I see in him the potential to be like Larry King.
He's right. As a white person , when you are in a room with other whites talking POC or women down being silent is not the answer. We have to voice our opposition to it.
You are 100 percent correct! It has been a social norm for many years to avoid political or religious conversations. This is a fallacy created by political propaganda! Now you see were that got us!
Magnus Nordström This is simply an enormous platitude . It sounds good as a catchphrase but it’s totally given. Everybody knows that you choose to either speak up or to stay silent. Nothing new, nothing to take home.
Celisar1, I guess that's true, if you take it in a very, very literal sense. However, the point of saying it in the first place is to provoke though upon what choice you make when you choose to stay silent. In the current political climate, one could argue that choosing to stay silent is to play into the hands of racists, bigots and facists. One could even argue that it's a democratic duty to speak up against those who wish to voice lies in public and social media. And these things, I believe, is not "totally given". Plenty of people never consider the harm in staying silent while lies are being shouted.
Magnus Nordström Magnus, I think that we two are absolutely clear on the power of not voting. Not saying anything is in the end consenting to what other people say or do. I think everyone who is educated understands that and even uneducated people know it but many choose to ignore what they know. The only thing I can say in favour of that platitude is that it’s designed to remind people of their democratic duty.
That must've been rough on him having to leave family like that, i understand it but still. I'm also impressed of the students at his collage for taking their time and the effort they put in to show him the world one step at a time. the patience and dedication. an emotional story indeed. I hope his story gets heard and changes some minds out there :)
the reinforcement of a bad idea is what keeps it fresh and thriving. the interruption of the same idea with a loving conscious and righteous reality will positively transform it.
It's refreshing to see that even from the most hateful of people, good everyday intelligent men and women can rise above it. This is proof that were moving in a better direction, even if it's slower then it should be sometimes.
He comes across as weak. There are plenty of arguments to be taken on behalf of white Nationalism but Derek just goes along with the standard leftest brain-dead talking points! Imagine if a black man was acting the same way denouncing any form of black activism. With Derek there is no middle ground.
The comparison is not suitable in this circumstance. The white nationalists are pretending to be harmed, black African Americans have been and continue to be disenfranchised. I do wish Derek had said more about choosing silence in the face of a room where hate is being pushed. Silence not just a choice, it is surrender.
@@richardwheger2 it's not solely about what he's denouncing it's just being an independent thinker. People don't realize how easily influenced they are and now our days you have a even heavier influence with watching videos on RU-vid social media posts by people you follow and just general opinions of people in your circle. To rise above that and have your own opinion about what's right and what's wrong takes a lot of mental strength No Matter What ethnicity you are
He looks shellshocked. Like visibly horrified over his part. I can understand that kind of regret and really appreciate the fact that he’s making it into something useful. That’s a win.
@@philmole1209 You should probably pay more attention to the subtle changes in his eyes throughout the video. His voice and posture and mannerisms may be composed, but the eyes never lie.
Megan Kelly interviewed Derek and one of the kids who had dinner with him. If you wanna check it out: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zkpiKqnT6YY.html&ab_channel=TODAY It was so nice to hear it straight from them.
I agree with Derek Black. This world would be a better place if more people just took a second to ask themselves whether their actions, words or beliefs could hurt others and make positive changes if it does.
I'm an upcoming freshman at College of Charleston and we're required to read this book and write a paper on it before our classes start, I dont think they could have picked a better book. Rising Out of Hate is one of the best pieces of literature I have ever read. Eli Saslow is coming to our campus, I'm so excited to meet him.
There's something about this interview that grips me . He looks broken with sad eyes. but in a way , he's the strongest person in the room. it's like he literally bled into this book. it's not for sales value. just imagine the death threats he must be getting everyday. change is so hard.
1. Trevor, I believe you actually read the books you discuss on the TV show. You can tell that most hosts just read a summary of the book. 2. Derek Black is clearly intelligent. That makes him a bit different from your garden variety Trump supporter. Most of them can't be persuaded to think differently because they never thought through their philosophy in the first place. They just believe white is better and deserves more than other races. That's it. 3. Derek Black comes over as wise and grounded. He said some profound things. I think I'm going to buy that book.
I agree with your view of this regarding most people, but I know willful racists who are very intelligent. They are smart enough to know better than the obviously flawed tenets of nationalism, yet repeat them as a justification for their hatred. I feel this is in disguise of their own feelings of inferiority. They feel that if all things were equal they could not succeed, so they cannot allow that to be.
Trevor is fair and balanced when asking questions. His manner is engaging rather than intimidating. He could work as a journalist easily. I think he could even crack that shell Putin puts up when interviewed.
@Leopold I back Serena 100%. Do I think she had a meltdown? Yes! Do I forgive her? Yes! Serena is passionate, not a cool cucumber. I forgave McEnroe for his tantrums, too. I didn't always like his behavior but I still liked to watch him play. Anyway, I love Trevor's interviews as well as his insights on current events. Do I always agree? No! However, I love his style of delivery and unique point of view.
@Leopold I back her because she feels she was wronged and she stood up for herself. I didn't see where the ref did anything wrong and I think she should have addressed her issues off the court. Easy for me to say as an onlooker at home.
@Leopold Why are you so passionate about this? It's not something that affects your life. I mention McEnroe because he regularly went off the rails on court. So, now I'll add men from later years - Safin, Hewitt, Rios and Kyrgios. There was an issue recently with McEnroe, Kyrgios and an umpire. It's not regular with Serena, yet it's a global catastrophe. It is true that women are trashed relentlessly when their conduct is less than stellar. It's unforgivable for Serena to lose it on court. Men are fined more because they lose it more. Also, some women are given a pass for misdeeds because of their appearance. That's not fair to men but public reaction to women misbehaving is cruel.
The word is overused anyways, which makes it meaning vague. Additionally it makes it seem more of a slur than a legitimate term for oversensitive people because it gets used whenever possible.
@@subject8776 Amen to that, man. SJW basically lost its original meaning and now its meaning changes based on who uses it in which context. It also seems to be "hip" among young people to use SJW as a slur.
To be honest, I've never seen SJW used in a way that was not a slur. If you're seeing young people use the word, there's probably more reason behind it than being "hip".
This is the first time the comments section on a RU-vid video is full of adults.. My faith in humanity is restored. A luta continua, vitória é certa, Derek and Eli!
I don’t mean this to sound condescending, but I’m so proud of him. He is a testament to the power of the human spirit and a hope to humanity. Especially I was happy to hear his message about the importance of the good of all. What hurts one person will hurt all humanity in some way, whether directly or indirectly. The unity of all humanity is the most important thing we have to work on today, and it can only start in our own hearts. I hope more news organizations cover this book. Trevor, I love your comedy, but I think this is the most important news piece you have done so far. Coverage of stories like this provides hope for a humanity that is despairing over the ills of society.
10:29 - 14:29 This entire interview is amazing. Listen to it in its entirety many times. Trevor Noah has the excellent ability to keep the focus and tone right where it should be to make this the iconic interview it truly is. However, if you only have 4 minutes, don't miss this part; there is so much depth of insight here.
Derek clearly put in a lot of work and had to give up his whole family but I am almost more curious about the people who put effort into changing his mind, over and over without seeing results. That takes a lot of fortitude and a desire to change the world as well. I hope they are proud of the good they have done.
I've sometimes had poc get defensive when I, an old white woman, call out racists. I understand that feeling of needing to stand up for oneself--after all sexism is everywhere too--but I believe that as someone who benefits from white privilege, I have a stronger responsibility to call it out. Thanks for getting that I'm not trying to be patronizing in taking this on, only using what leverage I have.
Thankyou Derek for disavowing this hatred. As a child, my best friend didn't have any racist feelings but when he went into the service he became racist. I think he may have finally worked out his problems but I do not know, and I feel really bad for someone who is a racist.
What Derek says at the end is also true of white Christianity in this country. As the religion becomes more and more radicalized, "live and let live" Christians have the loudest voice in the room. They're the ones that need to start speaking up to stop this radicalization, otherwise the radical white Christians sound like the only voices in the room. Oh, and as a white guy, I agree that racism by white people is prevalent in our society. I've been calling it out for decades, especially when it was unpopular to do so among both liberals and conservatives (in the 90's and 00's). And I'll continue to do so… especially if I'm ever forced to return to the rural, hick town I was raised in. All I ask is that everyone else help stand up for me as well. I'm atheist, a group that comprises only 3.1% of the population and widely hated and discriminated against by all religions and spirituals. Even in southern California, I've lost jobs, been evicted, and turned away by lawyers because "no one, including a judge and jury, would be sympathetic to my kind". Remember: Bullies only hold power if the people around them allow them to.
This christian here supports you because we all have a right to our beliefs provided it's not hurting anyone. This is the reason I completely disagree with radical christianity that constantly preaches fire and brimstone because the God I believe in doesn't have a problem with people who don't believe in him/her otherwise we wouldn't have free will. Alex, I pray the time comes when individuals are respected for their choices that don't hurt people and that you and other atheists and agnostics be seen as everyone else who has simply made a choice the same way different people have made their choices of different religions.
@@Backinblackbunny009 You're referring to the large "unaffiliated" group that collectively covers atheists, agnostics or “nothing in particular”. Within that group, atheists are a minority, and the majority either believe in God in some way or are agnostic. See the Pew Forum: www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/
Alex, there are likely more atheists out there than what is recorded. It's well known that many of them have to "hide" out. It is a shame, because there is supposed to be freedom of and from religion in this country. The White Christian Nationalists are beginning to look a lot like every other religious extremist group anywhere else in the world and I find that dangerous. I don't mean all Christians, just the ones that have become militant.
@@jenniferloftus2363 I agree with you on the latter, but not the former. Most "atheists" I've met don't understand the term and should be classified as "spiritual but not religious", or as I like to call them, "disgruntled theists."
Can't believe I learned a lot from a ex klan memeber about a racist system lol, but yeah he's right, because he was so brainwashed by the klan and America he had to shut that down and think for hemslelf, and by doing that he simply found the truth, and that's treating people, no matter the color, how you would like to be treated, because at the end of the day we're all humans that want happiness, I had that epiphany as a child. I also agree that whites have a bigger voice than anyone when it comes to fighting racism, because they're in power and because like he said, racist think that whites are superior and fighting with their own kind, who are all smart and right in their heads, just burst their little white supremacist bubble and the core of what they believe in, but also you can't forget that whites were also killed by the Klan, so...
Who knows more about racism than a member of a systematized racism organization? It's like being surprised that an ISIS member knows a lot about Islamism.
Sometimes it's so hard to listen to someone who has changed their previous ideologies because in the past they have caused so much pain. It's a learning lesson for me as I understand that sometimes in life we make ill informed decisions and just as Christ has mercy on us we must have mercy on others. It is also important to learn from other peoples perspectives so that we can have these open conversations and bring about change. Lastly, every individual has a solution within them that can help another.
"I think, in a kind of weird way, the stuff that I was raised with, that, 'although all of society thinks we're nuts, this is truth and we have to say it,' and that we've gotten there by being independent thinkers, who are curious and look at facts even though everybody says it's wrong, like, that stuff was also the things that I needed to be able to leave it." Damn. Damn, damn... that sort of mindset is what ALL of us white folks need to be doing to undo the racism that we were taught. The real "conspiracy theory" so to speak is the truth that the United States is racist, and has always been racist, and will remain racist unless WE do the work within ourselves and within our communities to change that.
To be honest, the United States _was_ founded as a white-nationalist country. It was also founded as a pre-industrial, male-dominant country. This is not a justification, though. There are times when change is necessary. There are times when you have to grant people the right to vote, even if they don't own property, even if they're black, even if they're women, even if they're trans. There are times when you have to build industrial means of transportation to carry goods all the way from one coast to the other. The argument, "This is the way we have _always_ done it, so this is the way we must _continue_ doing it" is absurd right on the _face_ of it.
@Uncle Jared I don't understand why black people or anti racist whites celebrate these founding fathers, it pisses me off when whoppi talks about what that founded fathers wanted for us when we were never included in that plan.
I always think about this quote that says “If you’re dumb, surround yourself with smart people. If you’re smart, surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you.” This is what happens when you do that. When you open up, everyone gets better. Everyone benefits.
I am truly impressed with the journey that these young men have taken to get to where they are today. If we could just affect more people regardless of race, in this manner, this would be such a better world to live in. Thumbs up to all those people who fight racism. May God continue to bless your hearts and souls.
I am very nearly Derek Black. My entire younger life was dominated by extreme racist ideals. My wife was not a racist and I began to see things her way but too late to save our marriage. Now I understand civil rights. Martin Luther King is now one of my heroes. I have researched the motivations behind the civil war and I completely understand the need to remove confederate monuments from all government sites.
‘Cave Beast Demon' that’s great to hear. I hope all racists realize that they are Gods children and are in his image. They don’t need to try to make others believe they are superior, they are Gods children and are inherently superior.
When I was a parole officer, I knew that I couldn't talk people out of continuing to commit crimes. There was no magic phrase. All I could hope for was that something I would do or say would make an impression, and I would set an example that might plant a seed that eventually led to change, just like countless numbers of people, some I knew, like teachers, and those I never knew but came across, who did or said something that caught my attention and made an impression, inciting change within me.
Love that this was a topic. I will sooo buy the book. I have always stated that white people talking to white peoples help erase this racism shit. Love the topic
@@ObesePuppies If a person considers people with darker skin, or from another country, or of a different religion, or of the opposite sex to be his inferiors, he won't care whether they disapprove of his opinions. The people who he considers his peers, whose respect he wants, need to tell him he's wrong.
Rewatching this segment again, and it's so clear that Derek Black is extremely sincere (the closing when he shook hands with Trevor - there was genuine appreciation from Derek to Trevor). I believe he really went through a personal awakening. It's very beautiful, and happy that this segment came up again.
Hi um First reply person, please don't think I'm rude or anything but if you'll listen to my opinion for a minute: so I think for the subject of iq's, everyone is a person. Race has nothing to do with it. And whether you have a low iq score or a high iq score depends on things like what kind of education you got, and if you worked hard in school, and your ambitions and experiences, and even who influenced you. I feel like it might not be fair to group intelligence based on race. Especially in the society that we live in, where some people don't have luxuries like a good education, (even though that shouldn't be a luxury, it should just be what people get, regardless of social class.) So even though it might be statistically true, I believe that it would only be, to quote you, "accepting the truth" if everyone could have access to a good education, and were on the same level, etc. Please consider my point of view without prejudice, thank you.
@@Gamenetreviews someone claiming blacks have low IQ is indeed ignorant himself. Just look at Trevor Noah, he is very smart, articulate, cultured, and humble. Obama is one of the most beloved president in the world.. intelligent and classy. In the future, everyone will become Obama.. a mixed race and we will all have one skin color and race. I dare you to take a DNA test.. you probably have some African DNA. Humans came from Africa so you were probably black at one point.
Derek Black has been terrorized and pressured to the point that he has caved in to the status quo! Even in this interview it is admitted! Spoken from a white person with non-white friends living in a "diverse" area.
Wow! That was very impressive by Eli and especially for Derek Black. He was very articulate in his delivery towards the end, you can tell he really has come a long way. I’m proud of him. And I really want to get his book. Lol.
Look past Trevor's razor-sharp sense of humor and you will see a truly great human being with insightful observations way beyond his years. Read his autobiography and you'll realize what shaped this amazing person.
Wow this was incredible to watch. A very special interview. Thanks to Eli and Trevor for sharing, and thanks to Derek for having the courage to share your story. Change IS possible, and we need stories like this to remind us sometimes. This was a light in what can often seem like a darkening world.
it's so amazing that Trevor never left his standup roots yet he's become probably the most skilled interviewer of the millenial generation right now. and these two men are fascinating as well; i might have to read their book
Derek's final comments were exactly the same lesson in American History X, when Dr. Sweeney asks Derek Vinyard "Has anything you've done made your life better?"
Thank you, Mr Black, for being so brave. It is unbelievable hard to change a belief system that was ingrained into your core being. I have massive respect for you!
both so articulate and courageous. I deeply admire both men - Derek for being willing to share his story, and Eli for sharing it so eloquently with the world
The end of this made my skin tingle in approval. I was thanked by a friend of a friend because I stood up to someone being racist about a year after it happened. I was truly unaware of the impact saying something out loud to correct “bad talking” can have. It may not have changed anything long term, but it changed someone’s behavior for an evening while out that night as a group. No further insults, had quite a bit of fun.
I had a student once who had those white supremecist beliefs and I tried to counter against it as much as I could (he was only 13 years old). However, I cancelt our lessons in the end because I couldn't take it anymore (after four or five hours), my feeling was that I don't change anything. I think this might be true most of the time but I felt uncompfortable with the thought that this would be all what I could have done. I'll read this book and try to be more prepared for similar situations in the future! Thank you!
I myself, back in the late 50's-early 60's, was raised to think whites were superior, but with the help of my day and meeting the first Black I've was ever close to in Jr High school, my heart was changed. So much power, as in David Dukes son saw, in 'face-to-face exposure' to other nationalities/ different colors of skin, it is the key, people don't recognize the power of Desegregation, it changed America towards becoming, and still working on, a 'true' America. When Duke's son went to a widely diverse college and was shown the Truth by exposure, Normalization of seeing all colors as equal thru meeting those non-white people, and how others treated non-whites as 'normal equal people' was such an important piece, if you are surrounded by people who see all as equal, and exposure to everyday people who differ in just the color of skin, over time, is very moving to a soul that was darkened. I think that is one of the greatest of tragedies of the Trump election, was he has allowed deep racism to feel normal again, including encouraging people to hate Muslims (predominatly black), I tell people that that is one of the reason, his normalizing of hate again, is why I think Satan is behide him. Trump has brought us back 50 yrs in our Societal growth, he is a Horror show to Humanity in America, it is what he encourages/ brings out the belief, that the Great America was back when he grew up with his White Nationalist father, back in the early 1900's where Hate of anyone 'nonwhite' was a virtue. It makes poor white trash feel superior to any color but their fungus white. His Base, is the Base of White Trash Racists, and any other naive person who gets caught up in his lies. The Bible talks about toward the 'End' that God will put blinders on some of the cold and luke-warm followers so that evil will rise, be destroyed in the 'End' and only 'His' true followers will be left. And of course anyone who knows what is next, God will also step in and stop the humans before we totally destroy the world. 2/3 of humanity will be wiped out. Yep, climate change is real and we are causing it according to the Bible (the book Trump followers have never read) Its interesting to actually pick of a Bible and see what is going on, there is nothing about a 2nd Jesus coming out (Trump), he is just part of the evil growth period, he is just part of the evil picture. If I was a Christian that 'believed in' Trump, I would be reallllllll worried that 1- I'm not really a true believer, 2- I'm about to be part of God's Smack Down. Thank about How many times have you been told, and seen, that a church is filled will only about 10% true believers, you can see that easily when you see that 85% of so called 'Christians' follow Trump. Anyone everyone have a good day
I just finished this audio book and it is a book I wish America would read .It broadened my understanding of a world I do not know but of people im sure I have known .It revamped my sprit and faith in what love and friendship can do.Truly love has always been the only answer.Derek Black is a fine man and I wish him the very best in his future
What an amazing interview! What an amazing story! Definitely gonna read that book. BTW: Mark my words -> we will see a *movie* about his life story in the next 5 years. The story is too powerful and relevant right now to be ignored by Hollywood.
One thing they don't mention in this interview is the school he went to was New College of Florida I went there for several years and it is a truly incredible and inspiring community of young people who consistently push for change and I think it is worth recognizing!
I was raised by racist. I was lucky that my neighbors taught me love. Two Mexican families took me under their wing. They didn't see me as some white girl. They saw me as one of their own. I remember one of my friends was on the phone. One guy asked them if they knew any white girls. My friend said nope. After she hung up with the guy I asked her what she meant. I'm white. She said. You're not white to us. You're one of us. For those of you who think it was wrong for her to say that. It wasn't. The white people in my hometown where notorious racist. They were awful. I was seen by my Mexican friends and neighbors as a Mexican. I had the accent down as well. My white family was pissed. And I didn't give a damn. I'm glad he got out of that toxic mindset. It's not a good mindset to be in. We are all in this world together. I hope one day a person is judged by their character and not the way they look, sound, sexual orientation and ect.
It is beautiful to see this conversation and humility of Derek Black. My heart opens to him to see him telling his story even though it must be difficult. . Is Derek Black really his name? Thanks Trevor!
Narayani Gaia yes and his father is DON black. Creator of stormfront website which is a racist, white nationalist indoctrination site. They are estranged because derek quit the WN movement. Read the book 'rising out of hatred'. Lol...why wouldn't it be his real name?
7 minutes in and I am feeling goosebumps no stop. To witnesses the step that man took by himself from where he was in his past beliefs, is one of must beautiful transformation possible in America.
Yes! It's chilling that there are people who didn't see it then, still don't see it now even though we tried to tell them, show them... they refused to see and yet will swear they aren't racist...
Wow! We need more stories like this. Thank you Eli for your incredible work and thank you Derek for having the courage to change. This is how we change society.
I did not realize until the end of the video that this was recorded over 2 years ago...my how relevant This conversation still is 💔 Great discussion but damn...smh.
