A conversation between Egyptian satirist Bassem Youseff and best-selling Turkish author Elif Shafak reveals the push and pull of modernism versus traditionalism, as Muslim women redefine and reclaim Islam for themselves.
The problem is people talk about Islam without knowing about it,she reads so much,how about she reads Quran and she'll know what Islam says... The Islamic cultures in the world, and Islam are two different things,so kindly comment on cultures because Islam has no discrimination and patriarchy...
This is the same thing as saying communism is ideal, it's just that nobody ever did it right. If the only populations that follow it are like that, then that is what it is. Oh my ideology isn't the problem, the people who follow it is... Like huh? The egg cannot come except from the chicken, sure, but the chicken cannot but come from an egg either.
I understand Mozambique is a fairly calm country with no history of violence between christian and muslims because its parte of our culture to accept this diferences we all have a muslim cousin etc. Ramadam its celebrated by everybody. Yet came some people claiming that they are from Isis and talking about claiming a certain part of the country that we has oil and now we are fighting people are dying and famílias are scattered. Its amazing what money and greed can do.
the events that are being discussed here are so extensive, complex and to some degree very ambiguous that choosing a segments of a history or events or even group of events and drawing a conclusion is neither adequate nor accurate, but could seemingly be entertaining
Sorry, but I've read Elif Shafak's work, and she has no idea what Islam is (or she does and is denying it). She isn't even a Muslim, but a "spiritual" agnostic (whatever that means). My guess is she wants Islam to reform to modern standards but she knows that criticising Islam directly will just anger Muslims and make them defensive and so she tries to pretend that the liberal, hippie version of Islam that she propagates in her novels such as 40 Rules of Love is a legitimate stream of Islam and she's trying to get Muslims to shift to it.
Это намного лучше твоего выдуманного халифата Абу Бакром и Умаром где людей научили грабит и воровать или насильно взять женщин как наложницу и все это приписать к тому что это сунна пророка! 40 правил любви имеет намного общего с правильным исламом чем Халифат Абу Бакра и Умара или аббасидский или Омеидский Халифат! Это вы как раз никакое отношение к исламу не имеете но тупо верите в свою созданную течение в исламе как Ахлю Сунна ( это сунна Умара но никак не пророка Мухаммеда) вам просто надо очнуться и следовать истинному пути!
@Sel Y I needed to view the video again to understand what I was commenting on and as a Muslim Turkish girl you are naturally more qualified than me. On second viewing it left the same taste and it's nothing to do with the answer he gave which I, like yourself, agree with. It was more his presentation within a 'conversation'. He didn't appear to listen to Elif but be more waited to interject, he then, without looking at her, grandstanded the audience with his response.
Totally agree with Elif! ....Genuine question: what interest would these ‘monarchies’ have in supporting these extremist organisations? These extremists fight towards their destruction so that they can take over Mecca and Medina and control Muslims under their own extremist mandate! I agree that politics and money are the driving force behind these extremist organisations, however, the explanation must be justifiable and the ‘monarchies’ one is not. Please feel free to share your opinions!
I thought Elif's answer was nuanced. The moderator's, on the other hand, was basically apologistic. Sure, oil and money are responsible for America's (inexcusable) interference in the Middle East. On the other hand, no ideology or theology holds as much sway over its adherents as Islam does today. The Renaissance first and later the Scientific Revolution allowed Europe to move past "crusading" for their religion. Four hundred years later, most of the Western world is either atheist or agnostic. It's my feeling that the Islamic world (especially its Middle Eastern centre) needs the same kind of Renaissance to break the hold the Koran, the Hadith, ~1400 years of (textual) adherence has had on it. I wonder if it can happen though? What do you think?
@@thesoccergod Thank you for your response! In my opinion, the linear direction of the renaissance and scientific revolution paving the way for a more enlightened society doesn’t match that of Islamic history. The rise of science, art, engineering, etc in the Islamic world happened during the Islamic golden age. As a result, the Islamic ‘renaissance’ goes hand in hand with the religion. It is ironic that the process of enlightenment in Europe is opposite to that of the Islamic world. This highlights that ‘adherence’ to religious scripture is not what is standing in the way of enlightenment in the Islamic world. I truly believe that money and politics are the core reasons for extremism today. I am currently in the process of trying to figure out in what sense though. This is why I mentioned in the previous comment that explanations must be justifiable. So far, it seams that the rise of groups such as the Muslim brotherhood who use politics, money, and education are crucial in this justification. This is because they share their core concept of us (Muslims) vs them (anyone else) with all extremist groups. Nonetheless, I am still very much in the process of research. All in all, extremism stands in the way of any from of ‘Islamic Renaissance’. In fact, this is why the majority of Muslims do not consider their actions ‘Islamic’ at all.
mka for the purpose of clarification...the concept of us vs them, which the Muslim brotherhood and extremist groups share in common is: us (Muslims who support these groups) vs them (anyone else, including Muslims who don’t support these groups)
@thesoccergod would be very delighted to know whether you gave elif Shafak’s other works a read. She doesn’t present any bright side of Islam at all, while Islam is just like any other religion having good and bad people. Though her novel takes after rumi and other such sufi saints linked with Islam, she actually lacks an indepth knowledge of what suficism she preaches, the ubtle difference between mysticism vs sufism is lost and we're left with storylike exaggerated narrations. She doesn’t give core meaning to the "love" defined by Rumi. She criticizes islamic traditions and amalgams them with superstitions. She shows Turkish society more ruthless then any other traveller that might have travelled there. Dig deeper.
Critics of Islam are those who have divided people into race, colour, political views. Ordinary hard working individuals do not perceive this but usually dance to the tunes of their music.
No doubt elif shafak is very knowledgeful But she does not know anything about islam To know about Islam u need to read quran translation and its tasfir
Does it matter even if you have more than you had yesterday? It's all desires driven. No intrinsic values to relationship with other, no meaning of of love, compassion and helping others. It's all become instrumental. In the end, we all have the same value as our excrement. Just rearrangement of matters with no objective meaning. That's why all religions put forward to ponder the meaning of life not just living the life. That's where the religion plays the most important role.
@Mahesh Krishnan I don't disagree brother. When I was agnostic, I can tell you that I didn't do any wrong to anyone intentionally. You can be way more better than any religious person. But in the end, the question remains. Why was I good? What's the point of modifying my actions to keep it with socially defined acceptable ranges? What's the point of loving your parents when you know pretty well they did bring you to the world out of instincts and pleasures and just wanting to feel like being parents? It's all become instrumental values deep down in the roots and you can't deny it. We all pretend to fit ourself within social norms. That's all I meant by Godless worldview. Religions doesn't teach fake creationism at all. All religions teach the first cause and progressive natural laws. That's a misconception in mainstream understanding. You can be way more better than any religious person and I hope you are.
What the point of life what the point of all that .Who create us?! we are not coming without any reason .In the darkest moments when every body left you.. you need one who help you one who has the super power ..There is a meaning of life to worship God who create every single one .He help us in the darkest moments ..There is no god except Allah and Mohammed peace upon him prophet of Allah .Actually many scientific facts mentioned in Quran before more 1400 years and now it are discovered recentlly who told Mohammed?! You can enjoy of your life and belive in the God at same time .
@tim hamat your so deeply hypnotised, you should take break and go for a holiday, No matter what any of you religion lovers say. Don't need your advice or wisdom. Don't try to brainwash others.
creator in the flesh-Jesus is who Turkey and the world needs -He is my faithful loving God-all life answers are in Him-Amen -He is so worthy of our praise-
There is only the creator of all being, all these religions are created by the minds of men for their own gain, it's all culture, there is only the creator of all being.
"as Muslim women redefine and reclaim Islam for themselves." redefine is a joke, if someone can't accept Quran, kindly remove Muslim name with yourself.
If surface understanding is all what is needed than tell me, do you yourself follow 100% of what a first glance reading of our holy book has to offer? Please don't be a hypocrite and preech others
@@ismailzhian537 i don't know what is your definition of respect because i don't know see any indecency here. i guess in your dictionary there can be no critique since it defies the circle of respect.peace to you as well.i don't mean bad.
This made realise that you know what the truth is, but apparently don't have the guts to face it. Critique and indecency are conspicuously distinct which we as "normal human beings" can instinctly distinguish. And in the case of this video, we both know that it surely wasn't a Critique, unless you're not a normal human being. May God bless you. If you still feel uncomfortable, we can just simply go ahead and agree to disagree.
@@ismailzhian537 well my brother you were the one who put both the video and my remark in one category so i think,in this case,it seems you can't stand someone questioning your stance so you got some learning to do. The host is questioning her with a different narrative than hers(which is quite normal in discussions like these), it does not mean he is here to project his jealousy of her wisdom through the questions.Your statement inherently is wrong.Face the disagreement with guts. and i do think for you, a "normal human being", the ability to dustinguish between indecency and critique is not that good.
Elif Shafak always presents vague ideas that cannot be put into action. There is usually a lot of smoke and mirrors in Shafak's books and in her interviews. The interviewer talks absolute nonsense here. Just the right place for Elif Shafak to sit and nod in agreement.
Might as well you are right... But Islam teach us to love humanity . told us the right path way... If someone attracting you. You try look like them.. Rumi and shams tabraiz did something like that.. They preach love.. People's becomes muslim. But the first thing is the sence of humanity..
@@TheSadPaki i loved this sentence it is really very deep Muslims in our Arabic world know that islam is deeper then praying and fasting and they always say that but they Don't applicate the defend islam but they are not givind the best version of aa muslim person I think that's because they inherited islam
The host become a debator instead of asking questions. Planted host to defame religion. Islam is a peaceful, just and modern religion. Dont mix bad people with religion.
@@asifrajput1062 She is originally from Turkey but who knows what she believes? I don't know either. Her name is the first letter of the Arabic alphabet and probably her patents are relatively close to Islam.
Thank you so much...🌹 I read her book. Forty rules of love.. That is really interesting. After reading that book m feeling a change in me That's is the lesson from Islam.. And Islam is the religion of Peace and love..
