Zeldris wins low to mid difficulty.Elizabeth is the definition of a glass canon that means she has the potential to dish out a lot of punishment but can't tank shit.She got knocket out by one punch derrieri and she almost died by boulder kun.Ludoshel (prime not possesing a body ) can give zeldris a better fight then she can. As always great video keep up the grind
She's a glass cannon? She's a comparable to Prime Meliodas, who slaps Zeldris and he's not a glass cannon. Also she stood before the Gods and took multiple hits from them. Not saying they were going all out, but even when holding back I doubt full powered Zeldris could do anything similar. She's far from a glass cannon.
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I do believe that the holy war ended a few years later as we don’t know how long meliodas’ first resurrection took and mael stated that he did actually murder his own kind after becoming estrossa that’s part of why he hates gowther.
True, there was time. I wish we got o see some things though. Zeldris getting his Commandment, the DK being sealed away, the Goddesses sacrifice, the entrapment of Drole and Gloxinia, Estarossa's rampage, there is a lot of stuff up in the air.
I don't know, the Demon King in Meliodas' body himself couldn't harm Zeldris with the DKP. Elizabeth's magic is strong, but I don't think strong enough.
Easily I see this fight as a stalemate, with the slightest edge for Zeldris (w/ Demon King's Power). Zeldris can easily negate all of Elizabeth's magic and Ominous Nebula could close the gap, but he can't do shit if he can't hit her, especially due to the amount of speed and MP [magic power] she has. Likewise, where I do believe Elizabeth easily outclasses Zeldris in terms of MP and speed, her durability is severely lacking or inconsistent and her overall pure strength is lackluster w/o the addition of magic involved.
I agree with Zeldris taking the edge. I think she stuck facing him or getting taken over once Ominous nebula drops, as she cannot harm him, while he can wear her down.
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Zeldris comfortably I acc tbink hes stronger then full wings king and we will see in the new movie the powerscaling . I just hope we see the seven deadly sins a lot in the sequel rn it doesn’t seem likely
I think FW Kings is his superior, he was damaging the Prime Demon King while Zeldris wasn't even in the fight, but I agree that his possible SD scaling in the movie will bolster him a lot. I think the Sins and original series characters will show up, but they will likely job unfortunately.
Idk I think we have to remember that this is chapter 20 in what could be another 300+ chapter romp I like that nakaba isn’t making it feel too sds too quick
@@lxfj2128 I think that’s probably healthier for the show as the sins have both concluded their character arcs (barring ban and Elaine losing Lancelot which sets up new character motives) and they’re ungodly powerful compared to most other people
Elizabeth fans really amuse me. Without a doubt, she is a powerful magician, on par with Ludoshiel, if not stronger. But her physical indicators are lower than those of the same Derrier. But Elizabeth never showed high speed. Therefore, Zeldris, being one of the fastest Persians, stupidly chops it up at speed.
People, don't embarrass yourself. Zeldris apparently defeats Elizabeth, even without DK's power. Elizabeth is more of a powerful magician than a fighter. Therefore, it is obvious that Zeldris can shred it purely at speed.
People really are underestimating Prime Elizabeth here. She was one of the only people who stood on a equal level of strength to Prime Meliodas, who slapped Zeldris around when they sparred. That should be enough to just end the debate IMO. If Mel claps Zel, and Elizabeth equals to Mel, the answer is obvious. But I'm aware Zeldris is immune to her magic. I don't think it would make much of a difference. Elizabeth will have a harder time of course, but she would just overwhelm him still. -Her speed, reactions and combat ability have been said to equal Mael and Prime Mel, who clap Zeldris in a boxing match. -Nothing Zeldris has can harm Elizabeth to a great degree. She can't hurt him with magic, but can block all his darkness with her light. Ominous Nebula isn't even a threat, it couldn't kill a fodder character like Gilthunder. Maybe the pull could be threatening, but again, the actual attack is pitifully weak. -Zeldris physical strength couldn't do much against Mael until he got utterly desperate and bloodthirsty. But this was against a non-bloodthirsty Mael. I'm assuming we are talking about a bloodthirsty Elizabeth here, so I don't think that'll be an issue. So Zeldris just gets overwhelmed. Elizabeth is faster, has much better durability, stronger magic (for defense), better self-healing and can't be grievously harmed by any of Zeldris attacks. The only thing I don't know is whether Elizabeth has enough punching power to kill Zeldris. Assuming she does, she wins. If she doesn't, maybe the fight drags out or worst case scenario, it's a stalemate because neither side can hurt or kill the other. Plus, it's implied Elizabeth had divine protection against the commandments, so piety isn't an issue. Just my thoughts.
She stood rival, I'm not sure equal, but even still, you're right, she's really strong. We don't actually know how that fight went. Elizabeth off guarded him, that's about all we know. We don't even know who won. And she is implied to be more comparable to a DM Mel anyway, who Zeldris should be more comparable to. Thing is, Elizabeth is fragile. She has no good tanking or durability feats, in either of her states. Everytime we see her get hit, she gets either one shot or takes extreme damage. We can guess that she should be around Mael's and Meliodas' level, but even then, the main issue is that we see none of that. I feel like you're underestimating a Prime Zeldris here, he managed to harm and even push back the One with Ominous Nebula, do something that Mael couldn't even do in taking on and instantly destroying two Demon King constructs which were composed of the same material that Mael couldn't even damage before hand, literally shredding the Hermitt of Moments instantly with Ominous Nebula, The only reason our main characters survied it is because plot, and while I don't like that excuse, its literally directly shown with how Zeldris casually tears apart a being that is superior to the strongest Archangel in a matter of two panels. And he did all of that without his Commandment amp. I think the only reason Zeldris wasn't mentioned as rival to Mael, Ludociel, Demon Mark Meliodas, and Elizabeth was because he specifically wasn't even deeply involved in the original Holy War and Mael was talking about people on his side referenced to be relative to Meliodas. Zeldris was on the Demon side, he wasn't an option. For the Holy War part, he wasn't a commandment yet, he was an executioner, mainly locked to his own realm while the Commandments invaded the mortal realm. Mael never met Zeldris nor knows his full power, so I don't think him not being mentioned in Mael's list of powers on the goddess side to be switched to demon really applies here. They're fighting, not really bloodlusted, but even still, a blood lusted Elizabeth can do nothing to Zeldris since he's immune to magic, her only displayed attack style. Elizabeth has never punched something, and that's the only way you can beat Zeldris. While I agree she is stronger, faster, (doubtful on the durability, but I'll even let that slide as I did in the video), I think the best she gets is a stalemate as you've said as long as he is immune to her magic, she can't do anything, and even if we go with the idea that Elizabeth is super durable, Zeldris has insane stamina and would be the only doing any damage. And if he ever even touches her, he's sealing her magic away, leaving her with nothing. If its really down to the wire (which is unlikely) Elizabeth is getting soul ripped with a few words. Thanks for your thoughts though, I appreciate them!
@@thatguywithapencil I mean rival, comparable, whatever the term you want to use, it was pretty much said that Prime Elizabeth was in the same calibre as Prime Meliodas. That statement itself has a lot of weight, because even if Elizabeth is a magical-orientated fighter, it infers that a lot of her physicality is in the same range, or comparable. So this means speed, reactions, durability etc. Because after all, Gloxinia and King have a PL of 0 physical strength, but are still fast, can react well and are fairly durable, so the same should apply for Elizabeth. The only thing we haven't seen is her punching power, so that's just speculation of course. You say she has no good durability feats yet you've ignored the biggest one of them all despite using it to praise Meliodas. In another video, you praised Meliodas for standing before the SD/DK and taking multiple hits from them. Why is Elizabeth not praised for this as well? That's a pretty impressive feat and we didn't see the fight, but even if the Gods were holding back, are we going to argue that a non-serious SD/DK (together btw) is not superior to Zeldris? And Elizabeth took attacks from them and wasn't killed until they got semi-serious? That's a pretty big feat for both Mel/Eliz and I don't know why its ignored here? Other feats we've seen from Elizabeth have been tanking a full countered increase spear from King when Chandler reflected it (40k attack x 2 = 80k attack in theory)and only showing a minor wound, or not getting her neck snapped despite 3C-Estarossa trying to choke her to death in a psychotic rage, etc all while nerfed in a human body. The problem with those creations from the Demon King is that we do not know how strong they are. So it's hard to gauge the impressiveness of Zeldris in being able to defeat them. Plus, Zeldris still had his magical immunity here, so it's fully possible ON dragged it in, only for the magical immunity to destroy the creature since daddy didn't take the power away until he attacked him himself. If we're going to use plot to defend Zeldris, then the same needs to go for Elizabeth. Her getting one-shot by Derieri should be considered plot because having her solo all the commandments would be boring when Nakaba wants to show off the archangels. Having Elizabeth solo Chandler, Estarossa or any other threat once she awakened her memories is boring, of course, so we need her to become a plot device for Meliodas to look cool when saving her. A lot of situations nerf Elizabeth for plot convenience or to forward the plot. She's said to stand on equal footing to Prime Mel, yet can't take a casual punch from a 50k demon despite taking numerous hits from 2 Gods. Just an important note. I mean Zeldris was also never mentioned to be relative to Mel, Ludo, Mael or Elizabeth because he officially wasn't. Even the Demon King considered Mel the strongest after him and no one else was supposedly close. Zeldris even admitted to being weaker than Cusack, who was getting stalemated by a non-flash Ludociel as the original demon, who still wasn't considered a rival to Prime Mel. Zeldris just doesn't have the power to kill Elizabeth in my opinion. She's tanked much harder hits than anything Zeldris could even create (from two Gods). Has the speed comparable to Prime Mel to dodge a lot of his attacks and while she can't hurt him, can still use her magic to defend and heal herself. Could Zeldris break an ark shield, for example, or do enough damage to override her Goddess healing that has no limitations (unlike demons?). I don't think so. Maybe if the fight dragged on long enough he'd have a better chance, but then if it comes down to a battle of attrition, its up in the air. Maybe ON is his best chance, but if Cusack or Chandler can just grab the environment, what's stopping Elizabeth? And can it even do enough damage to her? IMO the answer is a stalemate. Zeldris can't mortally harm her, and neither can she since she's a magical fighter. In fact, Elizabeth could just retreat from the fight knowing her magic isn't going to do anything because of the Demon King's protection since he didn't have the commandment back in the holy war, and even if he did, it's implied she's immune from the commandments. But if they had to fight to the death, I'd honestly think neither could win until someone ran out of magic, and if it was Zeldris first, he'd lose since his protections would be gone, and if it was Elizabeth, she'd lose since she couldn't defend or heal herself. Thanks for replying.
@@zaytexzanshin6077 Dude, don't embarrass yourself. Also, praising Elizabeth's physical characteristics, which she never showed, is not respecting yourself. When exactly did she evade Mel's attacks, and when did she withstand the attacks of DK and SD? Never. It was clearly shown that she was physically weak, because she was knocked out by Derrier's blow. All your arguments about the fact that Elizabeth withstood the attacks are the most common plot armor of any magician in the work of SDS. Or maybe you will prove to me that the same King and Gloxinia with 0 physical strength will not die from a blow from the same Galan, without plot armor? They clearly showed how fragile King is, because he hurt his fist simply by hitting Hauser’s armor. Elizabeth the goddess is of course not as physically weak as the same King, Gloxinia and Merlin, she is definitely weaker than the same Derrier. The only thing Elizabeth can boast of is powerful magic. She never demonstrated any feats of speed. Meliodas and Zeldris were always faster than her. The statement that she allegedly gave a good rebuff to Meliodas does not give her anything in terms of speed and physical strength, because it is unknown how Mel even fought with her. As usual, underestimating the enemy, he allowed Elizabeth to attack herself. In a confrontation with Zeldris, she has no chance, because Zeldris does not hold back and shreds her at maximum speed.
I think Elizabeth would win,but I doubt she would kill zeldris,at most seal him if she can. She understands Meliodas loves his brother and she wouldn't wanna take that away from him. Especially after meliodas said "he is my one and only brother" On second thought I think I can see why Zeldris would win,I was thinking without dk and commandment but I think he would win with the two given buffs of the commandment and the dk power.
Elizabeth ( goddess 3000 years ago ) Power level IS 186.000 and zeldris Power level IS 61.000 and full Power 150.000 and omnious nebula Power level IS 285.000 and Elizabeth ( goddess current ) Power level IS 192.500
Elizabeth is the most inconsistent character in sds, even more than merlin, you can't convince me otherwise. How do you go from getting one-shot by dererier in your goddess body from doing some damage to demon king zeldris in your weaker body. cant convince me. Also, Zeldris slaps.
Elizabeth is a weird kinda inconsistent. Her attack potency/speed and durability are in two entirely different tiers 100% of the time. And I think Zeldris would struggle for a little while. Maybe 30 seconds.
You to keep in mind that power level is connected to magical stri , physical strength and soul It's obvious that most of her stat are magically strength just like king
This is close as hell but prime eli would be more likely by a little. ONLY at full force 1000% coz 9/10 she just doesn’t fight back. Except for demon king power bc that is drowsy op she would have to heal him to hurt?
Thing is, the DKP isn't the ruler. It negates all magic, does not invert it. So Elizabeth has no real way to harm Zeldris, which is why I think he would win, even if she went all out.
@@thatguywithapencil hold on wait a minute, nobody told you this before, but why are you adding demon kings magic into this?, Isn't that zeldris Gaining help from a outer force power?
Nah zeldris flat out wins without exhausting himself even like half way lmao and she can't stall or turn and run cause well yuh know rip and if u count him from now a day zel he has even more feats from the new movie 🔥😈 its just not her fight
This fight depends on if Zeldris has the DK power or not. Without it he is loses, with it he loses. Meliodas would rape him if he put his hands on Elizabeth .
@Reido Astria yea but if characters are substantially stronger than other characters in sds they can just overpower an ability this has been shown a lot
@@aneska5028 bro he killed some goddesses in his Assault mode before Elizabeth rocked up. But in turmes of durability if meliodas tried to kill her and she gets hit then she is done for no cap. I see meliodas toying with Elizabeth until he gets of guarded and gets hurt and figures out that she is a problem and after 1 shot she's out cold and meliodas realizes that her durability is shit he'll go easy on her but he'll be on guard
@@igneellinde4123 Her durability isn't "shit". She's compared to Mel as an equal, that includes durability. Elizabeth took a few hits from the Gods. She was helpless, but I don't doubt even the SD/DK holding back are much stronger than Prime Mel
