Elkshape and MFJJ's Reaction Video to the Shwacker Test 

Lmao, anyone else see MFJJs face when Elk shape said we all want to have two holes! 😅

I have used a sevr on every animal I have harvested in the past 2 years elk included. Having the option of a 1.5 inch to a 2 inch cutting diameter is awesome. I use the 2 inch for deer and the 1.5 for elk and have yet to have a negative thing to say about them. It’s a shame they don’t use them in these test.

I’ve killed 75+ whitetail with Swhacker and never bent the alum ferrule. 1” cut entry. And a huge exit holes. The energy saved on entrance helps get complete pass through.

My argument for Dan, just for fun, would be that he shoots a micro Hades 3 blade, 1 1/16th in width. The schwacker is 1" in width prior to deploying. That pinhole you guys keep refering to is essentially the same size pinhole as the Hades. Assuming, in the rare chance, the Hades does not get a pass through! Love the content! Keep it coming!

I have killed 2 dozen plus deer with a schwacker and you guys are 100% correct on the exit issue. If you make it through a blind man can find that deer but if you don't you better call a dog to get on the track. This is why i switched to fixed blades.

This video makes me agree more and more with quality fixed blade broadheads. If I were to test for getting out the other side, I'd probably put the test hide, ribs, thinner gel, ribs, then air and a foam target downrange to stop the broadhead. I'd design the test such that the gel is thin enough to allow the broadheads enough energy to exit the gel, thus giving them a chance to break through the exit ribs.

Great episode Loved it. Great Job to you both God's Blessings on all your adventures

I’ve used swhacker for years on whitetail and you’re right. Not much blood on the ground but massive internal bleeding. Almost lost my biggest buck ever last month because of it with the LRP. Quartering away at 25 yards and hit the opposite shoulder. Ran 50 yards and dropped but took an hour to find. Now considering other options that aren’t 300 dollars for 6 arrows.

I picked up a pack of Swhacker 1.75 heads to try on whitetails this year. From the tests I've seen they are more durable than the 2" versions because of the shorter ferrule. The Grim Reaper Pro 1-3/8 worked great on a small buck I shot last year quartered away, but no exit because it nailed the offside shoulder.

Well done. I appreciate your thoughts on arrow weight!

The schwacker does leave a whole on entrance bigger than a pin whole. It slices a little bit as it opens up the blades.

So ....I've been a hardcore fixed blade guy for years. IMO.....the Swacker eliminated 2 big issues with mechanicals, the energy dump issue and the crap steel/sharpness issue. I got the 3" 150 grain ones to try for whitetails this year. I just smoked a good 10pt 2 days ago here in Wisconsin with it. Entry was 1/3-1/2 way up straight up the leg broadside. Arrow buried in shoulder on opposite side. No exit hole, just the 1" on entry. Didn't matter as he piled up after 60 yards. Just missed top of the heart but put huge hash on lower part of lung and a major artery coming out the top of the heart.

Test the Beast mechanical by Bomar.

I will say this, Lusk’s Archery Adventures has tested both the Swhacker (aluminum feral), and the Slick Trick (Steel feral) as of late. The aluminum Swhacker held up MUCH better in all of his testing, spanning across various models.

As a mechanical engineer, I appreciate your analysis of the tests. I am constantly picking apart gear tests like this. Haha. I think the test should be some kind of container filled with animal insides (hearts, lungs, etc from a butcher shop) and wrapped in hair-on deer/elk hide. A 35 or 55 gallon poly water barrel filled with gelatin (not ballistic gel) might work well, although the poly wouldn't fracture like a rib bone and may cause an un-realistic amount of drag on the shaft/vanes. Maybe a box made out of plywood. Or a milk jug full of gelatin sandwiched beteween two pieces of plywood. Anyway, you get the idea. Hit me up if you want to brain storm more ideas. My engineer brain is non-stop thinking about problems like this. Thanks for the great content.

In regards to the arrow trajectory segment, and assuming they were aiming at the 100 yard ball of foam (all the arrows were grouped at that distance), the arrow flying the lowest past the camera at the 75 yard point proves the flattest trajectory. And if I remember correctly, the DAC vane was lower thus showing a flatter trajectory…the TAC vane was higher thus showing a higher trajectory path. I hope that made sense.

The “will it exit” test. Leather, 3/8 plywood, full milk jug, 3/8 plywood, leather

I like your idea Josh, a one piece glue in broadhead. That's what I've tried to do with the Iron Will Snyder Core System. I screw a 50gr insert on the Snyder Core broadhead and epoxy the whole thing in with an impact collar. And I spin test them before the epoxy sets.

Lung shot doesn’t always need a exit hole to leave a blood trail. Lungs will bleed out of the nose

Heard they didn’t like rage and I was like yep this guys know what they are talking about

I can give some practical experience with the shwacker. I hunt the mid Atlantic states and have been bow hunting since the 80s. The last 70+ of over 240 deer I have shot have been with the 1.75" shwacker. (8 weeks of vacation in the fall😊)So far I have had a 100% success rate with them and unless I hit the off side shoulder they always pass through. My set up is 380 grain arrows 26.5" draw and 58 lb bow. However this said the blades seem dull and I take them apart and sharpen the blades myself. It seems a lot of the blood during blood trails is coming more out of their mouth then the exit or entrance hole. Keep the great videos coming love them.

For the first time I'm using the Shwaker 1.75 because of their test video. Its only for these small whitetail. I really liked that the blades are protected in the head. The accuracy is outstanding. Most guys are getting pass threws with the 1.75 and 2.0. They also said they work good on elk, I think is stick to my Kudus s.b. heads.👍

These types of tests always make me chuckle. For billions of years people hunted with a chiseled stone point. Feels like splitting these types of hairs should be taken with a grain of salt.

Sevr

I take serious issue with people who question whether or not mechanicals should be EVER used on elk. Like everything in an arrow setup, there are pros and cons to mechanicals and within the mechanical (or fixed) world there are many pros and cons to different brands and styles. The only valid con I really see to a well designed and constructed mechanical is a decrease in penetration (the opposing pros would be a much larger would channel and less wind drift). I hunt exclusively with mechanicals and have killed numerous antelope, deer, and yes elk. I've never lost an animal that I've hit with a mechanical. I've settled on SEVR 1.5's for elk and have been given no reason to change. I used schwacker's for a couple seasons and had issues with blades breaking. Sure, if you are a low draw weight and/or short draw length person you may want to go with a fixed blade or limit your max shot distance for penetration reasons. But to question whether anyone should use a mechanical on elk, even when they may be getting significantly more KE and momentum than you are, is asinine.

I like the content but I think you guys should stay away from testing broadheads , John lusk already has that wrapped up

@18:14 what you thinking about MFJJ? 😂

I believe the closed wing blades are still 1" across so you are still getting a two blade 1" entry on an animal.

I did a hemorrhage test on this broadhead today. Swhacker 2.5 Levi morgan 269… 125 grain head… 470 total weight 15.1 foc.. gold tip xt hunter 300… 29.5 draw 72.7 lbs at 300fps… took a washcloth and glued it to a piece of cardboard to mimic hide and skin…. 1 gallon milk jug.. shot it 2 inches up from bottom of jug, at 7yds… blades opened on exit completely 2.5 inches.. it took 2 minutes and 52 seconds for the water to drain down to the 2 the line.. was hoping to see a different result but it just didn’t open up a big hole. Just the arrow hole and 2 slices from the blades…I killed a buck last year with this same broadhead… 18yd shot quartering away, heart shot and it hit offset shoulder did not pass through. Buck died in 25yds, but little blood on the ground. Chest cavity was full of blood on the gut job. Just thought I’d share.. Love the content thanks Greg Neace from KY.

MFJJ needs to make a titanium ferrule 1.75" Swhacker with a Grim Reaper Pro tip on it...

Some old carpet is very similar to hair/skin and also has that webbing on the backside that is almost like the fibers in meat/skin. I personally shoot both, the Grim reaper Pro 3 blade and the NAPs and i love them both! The NAPs are alot cheaper, but Grim Reapers are worth the $ and a clean kill

I’ve shot swhacker on whitetails for years, years as in 10+ I personally haven’t had trouble with them ever. I have seen a guy that was hunting with me have a poor blood trail. But I couldn’t say for the shot. I’ve seen that they usually punch a 1”-1.75” on entrance holes. Idk if it over extents, or punches through. But they have always worked for me

I find it interesting that every pro shop I ever visit. Swhacker broadheads are always stocked full and QAD, Magnus, and Grim Reaper are almost always gone

I love these vids

You need to test the original GrimReaper 1 3/8 razor tip. It’s a do all head. I shoot them in the open position. They fly extremely well in the open position. When closed they do not get dull in the quiver and you are not waving around a sharp broadhead when knocking your arrow.

The same problem with Rage BHs. Pre deployments and deployed on the draw.

Stopped using them after 2015 season, hit a quartering away white tail with a 1.5 inch shwacker and no exit wound hitting the opposite side shoulder. No blood trail and the longest search ever. I did recover the deer the next day and I have the broken arrow I recovered from the chest cavity of the deer. Only fixed broadheads for me.

Nice recap video. As you said accuracy is key. The arrow must hit where your aiming. I kill hogs, and I only use Swhacker's. Swhacker's fly like my field points, and are accurate. The point is steel, the ferrule is alloy/ aluminum, the initial blades measure just under an one inch, not a pin hole. I have had many pass throughs. 99% of my arrow shots are for the lungs. I have recovered all but one pig that I hit with an arrow, I was aiming for the heart at night, 10-12 yards. I know I hit the leg, where unknown. I have never killed an elk, but elk can't be any harder to kill than wild pigs. I'm not affiliated to Swhacker. I only use them one time, hunting. Then the used tips will become practice tips. Looking forward to see your tests.

Need to have a video with ranch fairy on your idea of its just the broadhead and not arrow weight that would be a interesting video

I'm curious about the swacker "opening inside"... at a glance (and without a tape measure) i'm gonna guess the wings that open the blades on a swacker are 1"-1.5" behind the tip so the blades will open up once they're 1.5" deep into the animal?

Josh’s face when he hears ‘I like two holes, I think we all do’ 😂😂😂

Rick Forrest (the engineer) has already killed multiple elk with those shwackers

The original trypan with dental bands was the best rage.. I'm a 3 blade guy. I've had popular 2 blade single bevels do some crazy stuff after they hit an animal. The dead meat is a solid, all steel head in the 125 version expandable head.. But it's really hard to beat a qad exodus..

I would say if you use an expandable that maybe you should be using a 5mm arrow, it would have way less friction from the arrow, which would ultimately help with complete pass through

OK so here’s my thought. What if somebody took 10 to 12 ounce veg can leather from like a Tandy leather supply. With that on a 3-D gear. Over the insert area. Maybe make it three or four layers deep. On both sides of the 3-D target. In the middle of the 3-D target, where the insert would be what if somebody made a gelatin filled balloon With a viscosity similar to a stomach or a chest cavity, but not as thick as ballistics gel, which is designed to stop it fully. I think you could still get a pass through in that situation, and some level of idea on as to what a potential blood trail might look like. The downside is, you can ship the same target more than maybe twice. Ideally, you would only shoot at one and you have to set this up for however many broadhead you plan on testing so if you ran seven Brodhead, you would need seven targets. If you wanted to simulate ribs or some type of bone mass, then I would use a quarter inch thick plywood underneath the 2 to 3 layers of 10 to 12 ounce leather on full size that might be a little overkill but that might get you close to representing what shooting elk at 50 yards would be like with one of those broadheads

There is a lot of testing done by Lusk Archery Adventures. He's covered more broadheads than any other channel... You'll be incredibly surprised by his results.

Razor sharp Magnus Bee Stingers for life 💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼

For deer, look no further than Catman Outdoors piling up deer each year with swhackers. Mostly all pass through

Take it for what it’s worth- in all the failures I have had or seen over the years- everyone has been a mechanical. Only a broadside shot on a soft target would be a high percentage for any mechanical. Anything larger than a deer or a angled shot the fixed head will do you better in the long run.

Having the blood dispersion with cough “Two Holes” is definitely going to enable easier tracking of that animal. Additionally if the entrance is small and no exit well that’s where clotting comes into play and you only find small drops of blood. Additionally get rid of the plywood and use a beef scapula and shorten the depth of the gel down and have a water jug. Regardless love the truth and relentless push to provide honest feed back. Keep kicking ass.

We need MFJJ BROAD HEAD'S

Fixed blade is king

I've killed close to 20 deer with the 100gr, 2" swhacker and I always get complete penetration. 70lb 29 inch, 450gr arrow.the great thing is the arrow is always just lying on the ground, it doesn't have enough energy to bury in the ground and bang up the head. Some aluminium is strongerbthan some steels. The older guy in the video is the in enter of the swhacker.

My swhacker penetrated a whitetails shoulder earlier this year. Clean pass through. 70# 30 inch draw out of my bear resurgence. 2 inch cut. I use the 3 inchers for my crossbow. Never had a problem with pass throughs out of either platform. I dont know why you call the entry a pin hole. Its a one inch cut. Even if those blades fail to deploy you still got a one inch cut broadhead

But also these are your opinions! People are killing elk year after year with mechanicals. To each there own!

Shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. From a field tip to a 2.5 inch expandable. Doesn’t matter. Stay away from the shoulder and double lung the bull.

I'd like to see a test where you layer hide-ribs-balistics gel-ribs-hide (obviously the layer of ballistics gel would be much thinner). If there's anyway you could match the density of an elks body with the thickness of ballistics gel that would be deadly. I always see people use pork ribs and always wonder why they don't use beef ribs. I think that'd would be more comparable to elk ribs. Elkshape please like this comment if you see it. Big fan keep up the work, you've made me very passionate about bowhunting.

This video was just to bag on Rage, that was the main goal.

Some of best mechanical heads are in my opinion. Rocky Mountain Warhead SS 2 blade 1.5 inch ( penetrate and flys like field point), and the other is very rare Carbon Express F15 mechanical also front deploy! They both penetrate like crazy but are smaller cut. Lost a big buck with Killzone this year and murdered one last year! I want penetrating small mechanicals for everything.

Big fan of this video...Hoping to deploy an Afflictor hybrid x and QAD Exodus for the comparison. Hunting Midwest whitetail...I've know the QAD to be tried and true...will be interesting to see if the Afflictor is usable.

as someone who shot shwackers exclusively up until last year, ive only lost 2 deer, in 14 years, but ive never had complete pass throughs and blood trails have been challenging alot of the time, they do leave like a 1' entry hole tho from the wingblades. and have been the reason i have killed deer on not ideal shots on the few ive had because of larger cutting diameter. but i switche to cutthroat single bevels last year and im never looking back

While the expandable broadhead discussion is always interesting, I just can’t think of any scenario in which I’d ever shoot an expandable. There are so many great high quality fixed heads out there. You don’t have to worry about when (or if) a fixed blade will deploy, there are no flippy flappy blades to worry about, and no o-rings or elastic bands. I think the main reason most people shoot expandable broadheads is the claimed “field point accuracy.” This marketing claim is rarely true though. Accuracy is important, but so is having equipment that you can rely on and have confidence in. Personally, I think a guy is far better off just putting in the effort to tune your bow correctly so fixed blades will fly perfectly. After that, you just hunt and don’t worry about your broadheads. So far I have hunted with Magnus stinger buzzcut broadheads for over 15 years and only once have I not had a pass through on a deer, and that was because I screwed up and shot high and hit the spine. But it still killed the deer. Only once did I have to go more than about 40 yards to retrieve the deer, and that was on a liver shot on a large mule deer buck. There was good blood and he was easy to track - he bled out in about 100 yards. I do have some cutthroat single bevel fixed blades that I bought mainly for elk hunting, but I have not killed anything with those yet. All that said - if expandables are your thing, go for it. There seem to be some decent ones out there these days, and I’m glad for that because as someone else pointed out many of the earlier iterations were just garbage. For me though, I just can’t see ever being convinced to use them.

I've uses the schwacker with great results even through shoulder but if you don't get an exit the blood trails are terrible and they break and bend I've never really had one I'd want to shoot again the ferrules bend even if you replace blades

Totally agree with fixed blade only for larger game. From real life experience there is NO way I believe that those wide mechanicals will out penetrate Iron Will SB. What you are seeing is how effective gel is at stopping arrows. The Iron Will blade is spinning due to SB losing some KE to rotation against dense gel - and more surface area for gel to work on. I know which one I will choose on elk sized game - no question. Forget the gel - it does not replicate animals.

Just shot a doe with a schwacker 207 100 grain using a 5 mm axis arrow 28 inch draw at 70 pounds older Hoyt vector and I had a 3 ft wide blood trail and it was a pas threw double lung shot. On a different shot placement I don't know how it will do..

Well…. Elkshape or Levi Morgan? Lol Levi Morgan everytime lol These guys have their opinion like all do so I respect that. I have hunted with expandable broadheads since oregon allowed them to be used and won’t go back. Quicker kills and loads of blood on the trails. Deliver the arrow in the sweet spot and there are no worries. Levi Morgan is someone to respect and listen to….he has forgot more than Dan will ever know lol

Why is anyone using Rage? Who needs a blood trail when you watch them drop in 20-30 yards? Fix blade - one piece broadhead with full pass thru, shoulder, ribs, doesn’t matter.

Look up that Michael Waddell video from a couple years ago, he shoots a whitetail with a G5 expandable and it literally bounces off the deer, what a piece of junk.....

This seems real petty to do. Not the best look for MFJJ or Dan. Especially coming from a hunter/influencer that says “I’m not a pro”.

Alloy Shwacker are just a throw away rubbish, they bend like a banana, and just terrible entrance hole, and if you dont get a exit hole, ya have a hell of time finding your prize..

I’ve always used old school muzzy’s since 2000. I can’t stop using something when it works.

Not a fan of iron will. They kill and the deer I’ve shot with them didn’t go far but the blood trails were non existent. They rust before the end of one season even with oil. Not worth the money. I stay away from slick trick mechanicals as well for the same reason, poor blood trails with no entry hole, leaving only the exit.

Why do you make a sandwich buck skin ribs or plywood them 1 gallon water jug then ribs or plywood and buck skin. You can see the penetration and blood trail.

Every deer I’ve shot with a shwacker complete pass through. Even shot a doe at 50 yards complete pass through haven’t had a deer run past 50 yards. That’s at least 7 deer. The shwacker is the real deal

For 10 years I lived and breath Shwacker. This year I saw my buddy Shoot a Black bear with the BLUE 100gn Shwacker and it didn’t poke through the other side. We had Zero Blood trail. tracked for 4 hours that night and a additional 8 hours next morning. NEVER RECOVERED, Worst Feeling ever.. with that said, not only with Swacker but we both never use any Mechanical broad head again.

Crimson Talon Bone Crusher X Broadheads 175 gr us and all steel (A2 tool steel) with the similar design. They are also almost half the price

Nice fuckin shirt MFJJ

You're off when you say NO entry hole or field tip size entry. You get a MINIMUM of a 1" 2blade entry hole. If the shot is quartering your entry hole will be even larger than 1". The 2 Iron Will heads they shot were the Standard and the Wide. If I remember correctly, the standard will only give you approx a 1" entry and exit (if it makes it through). I have killed elk, deer, javelina and a mtn lion with Swhackers and nothing has gone more than 50 yards.

Ive shot three bucks with rages and never recovered any of those bucks. It wasnt 3 years back to back, i always went back to fixed blade broadheads

SEVR,for the win!

Shwacker cuts a 1+ inch entrance hole . The deploying blades that are exposed in flight are single bevel sharp and cut an entrance hole .

The sevr beats all these mechanical hands down 1.5 standard and the new 1.5 hybrids are the way to roll

How come the SEVR isn’t in this 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thoughts on sevr????

MFJJ specs for mechanical? We know aluminum ferrules are out. 1.5" cut? What else?

I do use mechanical and one thing that needs to be tested on mechanical is pass through. Mechanical has got to the point that most blades open no matter what but once they are open will they pass through?

Lusk Archery Adventures does some serious testing on broaheads and would give you some good ideas

If you think about it, the shwacker SHOULD penetrate better than a standard rear or front deploy . You are cutting a 1 inch hole on entrance w the shwacker , so you aren't loosing massive energy punching a 2 inch hole on entrance. Then, and this is why my quiver is full of shwackers, the blades are shaving sharp INSIDE the animal. A skinny blade that cuts through ribs and hide is not sharp in the animal. Id be hesitant on shwacker if the wing blades weren't also cutting blades . The average hole I've seen ON ENTRANCE is 1"+ . You will have a blood trail . But razor blades inside the cage HAS to cause quicker bleedout and hemorrhage. Don't need a blood trail if you watch him die .

SEVR doesn’t make a single bevel blade. Da Ef is Josh talking about?

Killed 2 bears with swhacker With pass through Wont use anything else

I still don't see the Iron will corkscrewing. Still looks like an awesome design though.

Ever notice the difference in these tests that penetration differs by inches but in real life penetration differs but feet? It’s cuz ballistic gel is designed to stop projectiles,,, nothing inside an animal is designed that way. Getting through the hide, muscle and ribs should be the main focus of any broadhead. More emphasis needs to be placed on the hair of the hide and hide combined. Not a fan of a certain “adult arrows” person, but his hair argument holds weight. In this test, Swhacker is on the right track but like pointed out is built too delicately. Thank you for the vid and honest critique

Also ballistic gel grabs the arrow shaft, terrible medium to measure penetration

Lost my biggest buck to a rage with a perfect shot. I now have shot grim reaper 1 3/8 pro and mini mag for 6 years and haven't lost a deer since I switched. Happy hunting and God bless

Guys i smoked a big bull with a shwacker quartering to. He died like you wouldn't believe!. I have alot if real experience with this stuff and i was impressed. 3rd kill woth a shwacker. Its not a pin hole on the entrance its a 1 inch single beval cut just like a kudu. The pronghorn in august was a complete pass through so bad that i thought i missed. I'm telling you the shwacker is the real deal.

Hide/ leather, foam camping mat, 3/8 plywood, foam

Josh grinning like that when you said we all want two holes 😏

Now do a review of Beast Broadheads

A good test would be a hide and plywood for initial impact, center should be a mold of jello and boiled rigatoni pasta to represent the organs and veins, and finally for the exit plywood and hide.

I used swacker in the past. Kills deer. Even if it doesn’t pass through, they usually die quick. I don’t really recall ever having to do much tracking.

so what is the list of mechanical broadheads you would use on elk?