You’re getting a gun pointed at you by Ellie, you know, the same Ellie that said they would find and kill every last one of them? She’s Already done it multiple times before this, remember???
@@mtn123because they know that in game apparently, you get a gun pointed at you in real life and you think “that’s Charles mason the same Charles mason that smoked five blunts before he got here”
@@mtn123 in the original comment it says if YOU are with your pregnant girlfriend and I don’t think we live in a video game so it’s definitely a what if on reality not video games
There was no way to know she was just gonna let them go for sure as a father/mother you do what you believe is best even when it's not , You react instinctively in the face of danger where you would regularly talk and use logic..
Or the part where she's somehow maneuvering with a fucking rifle and shooting, despite being VERY pregnant. Her feet should hurt and she should be more fatigued at that stage...
Yes but unlike Joel, who did it from a place of his love towards her, Ellie did it from a place of hatred, towards Abby. That’s why Joel succeeded in doing it, and why Ellie not only fails miserably, but regrets even doing it in the first place once she realizes the scope of what she’s done
Yeah, that’s kinda the point. Almost everyone she killed was in self defense/they attacked first. that’s why the fight with abby is so different. abby doesn’t want to fight, she just wants to get lev out of there, and when she does fight it’s slow and sad. that’s why ellie doesn’t go through with it- there’s a difference of killing out of necessity and killing out of hate. (don’t get me wrong this story had so many problems but, this one was purposeful.)
@@Wyrm7774 The writers only script a few deaths, any others are player not 'Ellie'. You can play the game killing only those where the writing gives you no choice if you choose to.
Ellie really just handled 2 trained soldiers. Meanwhile she was trained by Joel and Uncle Tommy. Kinda shows how skilled and ruthless they really were.
Nah this was just bs plot armor lmao she John wicked both of them even tho a (my guess) 6 foot fit soldier should realistically over Power her gun Arm but he just gets manhandled and then the other women has a brain freeze consider she reacts like 30 seconds to late which is crazy long especially for a soldier pregnant or not Edit: it’s been 6 month now and I still get comments complaining because I call out lazy writing lmao
Killing Joel was probably the worst decision they ever made. Who knew that a vengeful girl would go after them along with the sniper "uncle" and kill everyone?
@@jacobshelton5129 why is Joel so important though, I must of miss the part where that’s my problem really out hear trying to compare people life’s even over someone who killed millions😂
@@laneconnelly30 so you’re one of those people, well listen well kid, it’s a video game and for that reason I have the option to not give a fuck when someone who happens to be pregnant dies especially when that person helped kill a beloved character. Your trying to make it seem like this shit is something that really happened when it’s a work of fiction, and for that reason I don’t need to care about her fate. Have a nice day
@@adrasteia7092 and mind explaining why you see Ellie as mentally unstable? I see the other but not Ellie she just seems struck with grief and anger in a world where she couldn't deal with it properly
Right??😂😂 anybody would’ve pleaded and told EVERY bs if they have a gun pointed at them like “i have a kid” or “she’s pregnant”. That mf dint give a shit about his life istg
So they knew that & decided to act upon it that’s why they ended up dead because the girl wasn’t stupid, nobody having a gun is & if anybody realistically cared for there life’s they would plead for mercy & in a way they would try to compensate for what they have done through their actions & pleads, but that’s if they where trying to go for that they didn’t they intend to take the other initiative hence trying to grab the gun & yes people do get nervous & do dumb things but that’s unrealistically dumb, you have to be the guy from The Good Doctor show to do that, especially knowing fully well that they’re in trouble is why they did that. At the end of the day they’re pussy’s that ran from responsibility if they tried otherwise they might’ve had a chance to live a normal life or at least one of them
I know that some people say Ellie shouldn't have it, or maybe it was desserved. But no matter which side you take this was 110% Owen's fault, I actually despise him. He cheats on his wife for his ex girl, somewhat standard, then proceeds to try and defend her even though his wife wants Abby out of the picture, and then decides to spare her location from Ellie even though his PREGNANT WIFE is held at gunpoint. Mel should have just said, "Fuck this I'm leaving your ass" and could probably still lived.
It didn't learn a shit. Joel would have had the info. Ellie not only didn't have it, but she killed the ones she was interrogating before they could say something
@@jarvisfowlkes3200 I mean haven’t played the game , but as an outside observer maybe leading with the “She’s pregnant” and not antagonizing the assailant is a better idea than trying to strongman your way out and then tacking on a “She was pregnant” when it doesn’t matter anymore
@@silverfreedomsyeah what the fuck was the point in telling Ellie that the woman was pregnant? To make her feel bad? I think my problem with the plot in TLOU2 isn't that it's "revenge is bad" it's that everything feels tacked on to prove that point. Like, narratively, the only purpose this chick being pregnant serves is to further show Ellie that revenge was bad. But Ellie has no way of knowing, and was attacked first. Her killing them was 100% justifiable in this situation. So it's like the writers were like, "How do we show Ellie defending herself as a bad thing and as a lesson on revenge? Oh I know! The woman was pregnant the whole time!"
"Give her what she wants and were dead." He might have had a point there. She was out gunning for everyone who killed Joel. I'm surprised he wasn't able to rip that gun out of her hand since it looked like he got a good grip on it lol
@@Hello_there_obi Everything would've been resolved if they killed Ellie and Tommy; but no, Owen had to let two people live, after killing their friend in front of them.
@@Luke-vf6qc You don't get to cite morality when traveling across multiple states to kill someone. You either kill them all, or leave the door open for them to come find you. Owen wasn't moral, he was stupid.
Completely the guys fault seriously a dumb move neither of them had to tell her she was pregnant the guy should have known better Ellie kills a ton of them before this meeting his priorities where off 100%
@@irongrid4682 It’s dumb either way if you ask me. This game was just a bunch of dumb choices made by dumb people based on dumb circumstances. Such a downgrade from the first game.
@@GabesEdtizyes just the game focus about revenge for joel and revenge can blind people ellie who kill and hurt (emotionally) his friend and (new)familly and abby who get his revenge for the murder of his father but still do nightmare about it and the random girl with his game who did a total despair move and die a stupid way
@@GabesEdtizjust because YOU found it to be dumb doesn’t mean it’s a downgrade. You see this all over the internet people claiming it’s objectively bad when it’s actually objectively good thus the awards and success it’s had since the sequels release. Sorry you didn’t like it but that’s life. 🤷♂️
I wouldn’t have fought if I was Mel. I don’t know if I would’ve given up abbey’s place but I would’ve told her I was pregnant and went from there. But I can see why Neil chose to do it the way he did because then it lead to that scene with Dina and when Ellie told Abbey she was pregnant and Abbey said “Good” which speaks volumes about all four characters in that scene.
My girl Ellie really ended a family career that was just doing self defense but didn't kill the main villain of the story even tho she killed Joel and almost kill her 😂😂😂
@@DarkWolf-nq4ydyou missed the point of the comment, Ellie was killing people left and right to get to Abby to kill her specifically, then at the very end, she doesn’t kill her anyway.
@@TheDeletharShe was projecting her anger on Abby's for not forgiving Joel properly. When she learnt that all those killings were useless because she understandood, it was herself to blame, she stopped killing Abby at the right moment. Abby would go for a killing spree, but she was more mature than Ellie. She wanted all that stuff end. That's why Abby preferred to moved on with Lev instead of killing Ellie during the final fight.
@@benmoraxno killing Abby was literally her best option. After what happened to Joel she deserved to die but they tried to turn it into a “revenge is bad story” after she killed like 30 other people
@@iOmMiOI see where you're coming from but I think the kid would've been alright as long as he was kept far away from any of the factions in this game.
Both of them were sooooooo dumb here. 1. Neither of them mentioned that she's pregnant. Ellie is a killer but she's NOT heartless. 2. Attacking her was the wrong way to handle the situation. 3. I get Abby is your friend but telling Ellie where she is WAS the best option. 4. Both of them seemed to be done with this whole thing. Neither of them really seemed to care anymore. 5. Ellie wouldn't have killed you without reason. They weren't a threat to her so why make yourself one. Edit: Damn, didn't expect to get so many likes and comments.
@@rugu2368well considering what happened the last time they met. She could've beat the shit outta them before asking questions but she straight up walked up to them and asked.
First of all there's no way they would argue with an angry stranger and tell them about the pregnancy as if it will change their mind and second Mel was actually going to give Abby up but Owen intervened
@@POTUS-46thso was killing Joel and being hunky dory afterwards; way I see it they ALL had it coming and even though I wish Abby died I’m glad she lived…so that she can live with her stupid ass self; she killed Ellie’s father (or the closest thing she had to one) she ends up with no friends 🤷🏼 fair play in my opinion
It really was! How did these people survive so long when they have no clue how to handle these situations? I guess they relied too heavily on numbers. Not their decision making skills.
Owen should’ve been a bit smarter here since if Ellie had gone to the seraphite island to find Abby it would’ve been like searching for a needle in a haystack
i think this was worse then her first kill, because she knew she was meant to feel bad but she was more upset about not getting approval then actually killing someone
If only they would have mentioned that Mel is pregnant.Abby still has no heart,she knows that Dina is pregnant but she is still ready to kill her but Lev stopped her.I wish Ellie had just killed Abby, she didn't but it's so sad.
You say ABBY has no heart because of that scene? You're not that bright are you? Abby only was ready to kill Dina because she thought Ellie killed Mel on purporse, that's why Abby was angry and wanted to kill Dina in that moment. You can't blame her for that when Ellie has been equally heartless all game.
@@Bloody_Cake.Ellie shows more remorse than Abby ever had lmfao. Abby literally killed her own faction for 2 strangers she met for 2 days. Abby is a snake. Period.
@Bloody_Cake. Ellie was distraught learning she killed a pregnant woman, Abby was about to do it willingly. Ellie was angry about Joel, how does abbys anger over Mel excuse her being a shit person?
abby wasn’t heartless, she spare ellie and tommy twice (even because of lev) she only focus on her revenge towards joel while ellie slaughter everyone on purpose except mel and owen
Imagine NOT saying "stop I'm pregnant" as a bargaining chip when held at gunpoint. Even dumber would be to resist and try to attack the person holding the gun...
@@ertugrul336 Literally the only thing Last of Us had is story, it's a STORY driven game, no one bought it going in for the gameplay 😂 Graphics aren't even relevant anymore when EVERY game is photorealistic, it's not 2010 anymore
She literally attacked her with a knife, that’s an incredibly dumb thing to do when you are pregnant, even Owen attempting to disarm her put Mel in danger and got himself killed
Let’s be honest if the story had Abby get saved by Ellie when she was too weak to escape the infected at the start of part 2 and Abby killed Ellie in front of Joel hypothetically if they somehow knocked him down to force him to watch in an eye for an eye situation (unlikely I know) Joel would’ve killed everyone in that group without a hint of regret if it meant getting revenge on another militia group who killed his second daughter and that fight in the cinema where Abby overpowered Ellie would’ve been an example of dad strength the way he would’ve been whooping her ass lol
When you hit someone's father figure with a golf club until he died a painful death, you really shouldn't expect that she is going to even notice your bump, If they told her earlier this wouldn't have happened.
Give her what she wants and beg her to spare the unborn child vs try to overpower her and risk dying anyways. Guess the guy was really confident about being able to take the gun from her to not even try to agree to her demand. Well too bad he made a dumb choice.
Owen was a nice guy, as nice as any of the WLF anyway, but he got both of them killed. Smart play was to tell Ellie then go after her once Mel was safe and see if he could catch her before she got to Abby.
As much as I hate this game sequel, this scene is a bit conflicting. I can understand that you don't want your friend to die, but at the same time, she was gonna let you two go had you told her. Like, were you really THAT willing to die? Also, Owen! You decided to mention the pregnant part AFTER attempting to kill Ellie? Seriously? Big time screw-up! Definitely makes me hate the game even more.
AND NOT TO FORGET HE WAS WORRIED ABOUT ABBY WHO HE CHEATED ON HIS PREAGANT GF WITH LIKE WASNT THIS AFTER HE CHEATED ON MEL and then put Abbys life in front of mels and HIS OWN FUTURE KID when Ellie said she will let them go out alive
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vsits like you forgot that she could mention she is pregnant but your slow brain cant process that your brain can only defend horrible media to the death like sheep led to the slaughter
Really bad writing honestly, also, in the first game we learn that Joel is a badass mass killer but in the second game he gets killed by a girl like it was nothing.
Yo I had no idea Owen said that Mel was pregnant. That makes this scene so much more heart wrenching on top of Ellie killing Mel, who was pregnant. I just thought he went to say where Abby was but couldn’t get the rest of it out bc he died. Wow. This is… eye opening to me
Maybe the idiot should’ve said it when the girl covered in blood was pointing a gun at them, like any normal human would, but Neil and Halley are not normal.
@@generallyuseless5821 my question is how would they know where she is on the map? I think at this point Abbie is on the seraphite island and isn’t in contact with her allys.
To everyone saying those two are dumb/its not ellies fault: The point of this moment is not about fault, regardless of the blame of the whole situation Ellie stuck her knife in a pregnant woman’s neck, that will cause some serious mental damage no matter who’s fault it is. One of the biggest themes of the game is a back and forth revenge match. The message its trying to portray is that if you keep going for that revenge your only perpetuating violence that will lead to more violence while becoming a monster, that was the point of this scene.
Ellie didnt commit any revenge here. Its self defense. She has nothing to feel bad about. The only people responsible for those 2s deaths is themselves.
⚠️ SPOILER ⚠️ What I love so much about the whole story is it shows you what all this pent-up anger gets you if you take revenge. Abby killed Joel for killing her dad. Ellie chased down and killed everyone that meant something to Abby & in the end Dina broke up with Ellie because she couldn't let go of her crazy anger & still didn't kill Abby. Both main characters lost everything. 💔
@@evilcrusader6322 ok what?! Are u saying these fictional characters should somehow blame us!? Wait we had a choice in the narrative!? Is that how this narrative game works?!? I’m confused is there people out there that got a different ending?! No man This is a story and the story is Joel killed all those people to save a more important part of humanity then just fucking surviving … and now Ellie and Abby are learning what that part of humanity is in their own journeys
@@evilcrusader6322I don’t think that logic really applies here. It’s true that there are many games where the player massacres hundreds during gameplay but we’re still meant to believe that the protagonist is a good person, and it’s largely understood that those enemies only exist to provide the gameplay and aren’t considered canon in the story. Best example of this is Nathan Drake in uncharted, he kills thousands during gameplay but during cutscenes he’s always the good guy. But I think in tlou, they wanted to make it clear that Joel is really just ruthless. Because even in cutscenes he has no mercy for those standing in his way. Even if you somehow manage to get through the gameplay without killing enemies, the cutscenes prove that Joel still has plenty of blood on his hands. Don’t get me wrong I love Joel and I understand he was just trying to survive and protect Ellie, but I really don’t think that naughty dog wants us to believe that he didn’t actually kill a bunch of people lol
@@DarkRedKitten yes, she didnt necessarily just feel regret, its just that her girlfriend was pregnant at the same time so she was reminded of what she just destroyed
ellie seeing that she just killed someone who is pregnant while having dina who is also pregnant must be horrible because she knows that this could happen to dina
We learnt in part 1 that messing with Ellie lead to death we could to tell by David 4 years later though messing with Ellie when it comes to her father figure really make death
Kills sentient people hundreds of times and painfully too: light work no reaction Literally just one more kill that just happened to be a kid: ok its got a little kick
When you start to kill in a certain number of times, there is a moment that you start to be mentally in weak This is what Ellie lived, she want a vengeance, not to kill everyone, but many people didn't give her the chose by trying to stopping her But yeah, long to explain, and English is my second language>
They were gonna live anyways because at that point she was satisfied with killing one of abby’s closest friends, and she also agreed to just leave once she killed Mel and Owen (her ex and best friend)
@@chicnstu6157 That is true, I guess they were trying to develop these characters through the lens of Abby. I think what got me was what the comment said below, it’s finding out that she IS killing people. It’s just like playing Joel, when he starts killing the people at the hospital, you don’t know how to feel. Like I agreed with him but the SHOCK of seeing people act human and vulnerable. It’s pretty crazy.
@@jessecuevas6456Three times, because everyone is a clump of cells, that’s literally what multicellular organisms are. Human beings are clumps of cells.
Angry Joe had the best reply to this encounter and it’s like the game is tryna make us feel bad for two people that just tried to kill us. The pregnant lady just should have never got aggressive 🤷🏻♂️ she ain’t give a shit about that baby since she popped up on screen.
'A pregnant woman is more important than any other people' True 'In this kind of world' False. Society doesn't give af and is dying to rip children from a good life
Everyone’s take away from this scene “ELLIE MURDERED A CLEARLY PREGNANT WOMAN BECAUSE SHE THOUGHT ITD BE FUN AND SHE WAS ANGY” Reality: Owen thought he was Joel
@@erenahmed Owen let his fatherly instincts get the best of him which is why he went to attack. It was in the heat of the moment and he wasn’t thinking it through, all he wanted to do was protect his unborn child. Not saying it was smart but it was very human of him
@@erenahmedthink it’s a perfectly good reason. I also think Ellie was lying about them being able to survive, as Owen points out. It was a kill or be killed situation and again he didn’t go about it in the best way, but he was at least giving himself and Mel a chance at surviving. Ellie would have killed them regardless, 100%
