Full podcast episode: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Kbk9BiPhm7o.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: ru-vid.com Guest bio: Elon Musk is CEO of Neuralink, SpaceX, Tesla, xAI, and CTO of X. DJ Seo is COO & President of Neuralink. Matthew MacDougall is Head Neurosurgeon at Neuralink. Bliss Chapman is Brain Interface Software Lead at Neuralink. Noland Arbaugh is the first human to have a Neuralink device implanted in his brain.
Hey Lex - next time you have Elon on the show, ask him about what type of government he plans for Mars. Because it’s going to become sovereign just like the British run colony in America broke away from the British and declared independence. We can’t have all these old out of touch earth people telling the people on Mars how to live their lives.
That's what they're saying when they mention the antibody reaction. Of course in another sense, we never want government to be very efficient. Because efficiency could turn into the Gestapo.
A good government efficiency commission would recommend sacking most highly overpaid politicians or demand a weekly report on what was accomplished by each person.
@@ricinrothey don't. But from what I've seen you're just getting an engineering rubber stamp when quality won't buy it off anyways. All the quality inspection we pay so much for is just window dressing most of the time
It’s always nice listening to real problem solvers. Thanks for having him on, Lex. Your 8 hours and 43 minutes podcast with Elon was epic. There has never been one like that before.
@@cavill8875 There is no reason to make this left or right. Dude has proved himself many times regardless of his politics unlike those actually in politics.
00:04 Technology drives the tides of history 01:39 Government impact on technological innovation 02:58 Civilization is relatively young compared to the age of the Earth. 04:13 Human nature remains consistent throughout history 05:40 Prosperity causes declining birthrates 07:18 Roman decline due to population decrease 08:45 Population growth declines during periods of peace and prosperity. 10:18 Need for garbage collection of laws and regulations to prevent accumulation Crafted by Merlin AI.
You are a lovely interviewer Lex, you lead Elon Musk with such special timing that we notice that he becomes calm, and the conversation flows, and the interview is so friendly, and you manage to extract the best from him on the subject discussed. Thank you Lex, I loved it, sending Light of Love and deep Peace.💝💝🌹🌿🌟
It most definitely would be a grind core band...it would go something like this... *band comes out in all black, with long unkempt hair* "We are...RADIOACTIVE TOAST!" *intense music begins, as the band begins pig squealing* "Take a bite!" *pig squealing again* "Jaw falls off!!!" *more squealing* "it will be you're last bite of..." *music intensifies more* "RADIOACTIVE TOAST!!!"
Human civilization has actually been around longer than 5500 years, it's just that paper doesn't last that long. And then when someone made our modern equivalent to the Rosetta Stone... Well we've already destroyed it. #HumanNature
Mind Begs the Question: ▪︎If policies of Superior Race ideology,Dehumanization,Starvation,Death Camps,Gassing (White Phosphorus),Ethnic Cleansing,etc are repeated ▪︎World believes Nazi Regime ended ▪︎Nazis pulled wool over Worlds eyes,no?
We need Christ What led to the downfall of the Romans was: Lack of morality Endless entertainment Breakdown of family unit The growth of a welfare state
To quote myself from a hardcore band I yelled in 20 years ago, "As technology gets more advanced it compresses the span of empires to decades, then down to nothing."
Musk saying writing should be considered the start of civilization feels funny because I just started playing Civ Vi and writing is one of the first techs you learn
Qovernment and regulations can't just continue to grow unbridled. We need to be continually assessing what is necessary and productive - and care about the efficiency and the pruning of government and regulations. The 1/2 comatose and sleeping population doesn't't care nearly enough about the dangers inherent in our bureaucratic systems.
Brother this country is going up in flames regardless at this point. Change the government, reduce inflation… discontent like this doesn’t fade away- it bubbles to the surface.
Regulations grow from needs. As technology & industry grows and changes, regulations must evolve too. Regs for industrial water treatment in a 1950’s ford automotive plant will be much different than 2020’s ford. Government does have a tendency to create officials & offices that really don’t have a purpose. Each administration adding their own, without cutting the old out. So 100% agree there.
They arent growing unbridled… they are constantly being checked . But think again about what you are suggesting. Deflationary policy is government regulation. So are you suggesting we have run away inflation? You do realise deflationary policy is mainly to protect employees, the elderly, the disabled and poor. If we let inflation run off completely unless you worked in extremely high demand/paying industries you will most likely face poverty
7:50 roman life leaded the crap out of everything. from wine, makeup to all the pipework. the amount of lead poisoning going on was incredible. with all that lead - having kids was more problematic, especially for the more wealthy as they were more poisoned. plagues in rome really started to appear when christianity did. the plague of justinian being the worst. ironically the time when rome went all in.
It's a metaphor for liberal Democrat thinking. Lead made water taste sweeter, so they assumed it must be good, without looking for any objective evidence for their assumption, or any consideration of future consequences.
Now we're doing the same thing with microplastics, although besides lowering fertility we don't really know the full long term effects it has on our bodies.
By the way, ALL of Will Durant's books and lessons are online and they are great, about history and specific thinkers and philosophers. I also recommend Will Durant on all his lessons... IF you are a bit learned on any one of these thinkers and historical leaders you will disagree with his view a bit; with his always over optimistic view of them "a man of his time" is the explanation normally given when that man or woman or nation fuked up.
Will Durant viewed history through a Western/atheistic lens hence his popularity in West. Someone like Arnold Toynbee is a much better historian. His 'Study of history' is much more in depth and superior in writing.
@@Sobanhassan1761 Yes, indeed, the "great man in history were normally bad men" as Lord Acton (?) said, the one who said "all power corrupts" The new of these great men by the affected ones is very different than the ones benefiting from these great men's actions. I remember reading the People's History Of Rome, and speaks on how the peoples around Rome didn't get why the Romans were so warlike and why they never seemed satisfied with what they took from them and were in constant state of expansion warring with all the lands they could reach. Notice the Greeks and "Hellenisation" of the world idea, i.e, Alexander the "great" This state was later worsened by new war tech and thus Europeans did it to the world, invading the world and autonomous people, but they were so sure there people NEEDED them somehow and their ideas. Also remember Will Durant was one of the BETTER historians and thinkers; so imagine the rest.
@@Sobanhassan1761 So why is Arnold Toynbee not as popular as Durant...?? My question is not ironic or challenging towards you, I wonder what your opinion or even facts are for why he is not as commonly known or popular, you would think the same people who listen to Durant would want to hear Toynbee also... I don't know him, so I cannot give an opinion about him, but if he is as you say... why??
@@Sobanhassan1761 I just finished doing a few hours of reading and learning a bit about Toynbee, and so far I think you are wrong, his Challenge and Response Theory of how the unit in history is the "civilization" is way too simplistic and obvious to merit that standing you give him, bc OF COURSE a civilization rises and falls according to the Response it gives to the Challenges it faces, and OF COURSE it is always a minority of GOOD leaders that can do that, many times charismatic ones, he doesn't mention (so far) that most times such leaders get drunk with power and end up atrocious, the few that do not end up accommodation the challenges and thus creating, or updating for the better, their societies. Did I get him right?? If I did get him right, this is NOT better than Durant. He is way more expansive in this thinking and conclusions, with many faceted answers and motives, as normally all social groupings are.
*Larry Burkett's book on "Giving and Tithing" drew me closer to God and helped my spirituality. 2020 was a year I literally lived it. I cashed in my life savings and gave it all away. My total giving amounted to 40,000 dollars. Everyone thought I was delusional. Today, 1 receive 85,000 dollars every two months. I have a property in Calabasas, CA, and travel a lot. God has promoted me more than once and opened doors for me to live beyond my dreams. God kept to his promises to and for me*
It is the digital market. That's been the secret to this wealth transfer. A lot of folks in the US and abroad are getting so much from it, God has been good to my household Thank you Jesus
"Garbage collection for laws and regulations." I thought about this when I was a kid: no one deletes the old, useless laws. I always though that there should be a protocol where congress must find two laws to delete to be allowed to make a new law.
I vividly recall questionairres amongst 20 year old Japanese and 80% see themselves as father and mothers 10 years later. We all know how that ends up. It's economics basically.
@@TokyoTaisu, Economics, certainly. If you lived in a region of famine it would discourage kids. The modern world allowed enough shared info to convince people that their marriage will probably fail and kids/housing are too expensive compared to the economies of past generations. The "collapse" is a symptom of gross economic inequality (GINI). Follow the money.
My wife’s grandpa was a carpenter. Had 4 kids, bought a house and his wife was a stay at home mom. I’m a carpenter and I can an afford one kid, my wife works and we can barely afford a house. I’d love to have more kids. Just not possible.
@@ricinro yeah my wife divorced me half a year ago. She expected the same lifestyle as her mother had. Her father blamed me for being lazy, but I work twice as hard as him. It’s not enough, I did the math and in order to buy the same house at the same age as my father bought his house I’d have to earn 5x as much. And second indeed as you say marriage will probably fail due to woke / atheism or other “disbelief systems”.
Лёха, шепни Маску некоторые вещи. Например, что тоннели могут проходить не на глубине, а на поверхности, так будет гораздо проще. И в чем-то безопаснее. Ещё, что идея с тем, что машина не мнется и по ней можно ходить и бить кувалдой - классная. Но ещё можно делать автомобили модульными, из седана при помощи своеобразного прицепа она может превращаться в пикап. Или при помощи поднятия кузова во внедорожник. Колесная база может удлиняться и расширяться. В прицепе для пикапа может быть дополнительная батарея. И так далее. Ещё человеку комфортнее жить на своей земле, на большом куске в 5-10 акров. Тогда он охотнее станет рожать больше детей. Города способствуют распространению разных болячек вроде короновируса. В России лет 30 назад появилась идея родовых поместий, согласно которой люди должны жить на больших участках, где у них будет свой дом, сад, мастерская, небольшой лес. На земле достаточно земельных ресурсов для этого, для этого надо начать облагораживать засушливые территории, озеленять пустыни. Одна Сахара могла бы стать домом для всего человечества. Это утрированно. Было бы полезно человечеству двигаться и в этом направлении
But why isn’t that happening in Russia. Millions of people living in compact city apartments. How many people are living on the land? There is plenty of space in Russia
It's all about incentives. If the incentive is everyone to move into a few tiny dots on the map called cities then competition leads to inflation, concentrated power and wealth, empowers the psychopaths and sociopaths by forcing resource dependency on large numbers of people. Kids have to be a financial and relative immediate contribution to wealth as they are in a rural setting. Put everyone in a city and kids are a wealth drain on parents.
You've put your finger on one of the major causes of the social and political mess we find ourselves in. That would be the mass urbanization of America and Western society in general. The flooding of the population into ever larger metropolitan urban centers magnifies social ills such as crime, substance addiction, unraveling of beneficial social institutions both religious and secular alike, quality decline in both basic and higher education, and disintegration of the family structure. Ironically, electronic communications, if properly utilized, can remove some of the incentives to urbanize the population, but countering that is the technological and mechanical advancements that have led to the decline of human involvement in agriculture. There is less need for the small agrarian communities which once characterized much of the country. 150 years ago, a large proportion of the population made its living primarily or peripherally from agriculture, now it is probably less than 5%. A reverse migration from the cities to small towns may entice some percentage of city dwellers to move back to a simpler style of life where they can remain connected to work through the internet, but enjoy a less stressful mode of everyday life where crime and social upheaval are less prevalent. That's probably not enough to totally reverse mass urbanization, but it might ameliorate it to some extent. Perhaps I'm clutching at straws here.
@@bearowen5480, the population migration away from agriculture was due to technological improvements. The "American Dream" was improbable in a corn field. Folks were drawn to education and opportunities where they were likely to happen: in concentrated places called cities. We have a hint that the internet and robotics/AI may permit some to move away from cities/suburbs but people still like to socialize in person.
Robin Hanson has been writing a lot on this topic and I think what he says about the ramifications are pretty shocking. Essentially technology in the infrastructure that supports, our technology will collapse with engine, engineers and technicians not being replaced and it might lead to a technological winter that will hold civilization for possibly hundreds of years.
We are always being told AI is going to take most of the jobs, how do you reconcile that with an increase in population? more people who wont be able to work?
If AI is able to handle essentially an infinite amount of work, it doesn’t matter how many human consumers there are. There could be just one person that AI is working for, or one trillion. You can just make copies of the AI software, and you can just make more AI robot workers. And yeah, more people means more people that can just do whatever they want, assuming they don’t have to work. I’d imagine exploration will become a major thing in the next 10-20 years, like colonizing other planets / moons. And some jobs might stay human as a preference. So you could probably still work if you wanted to.
@@eastsde5I guess you aren’t familiar with slavery. But slaves HAVE to work for no compensation. You’re saying people don’t have to work but will still get paid anyway. Can you explain how that’s slavery? It’s actually the opposite. It’s infinite paid time off. Also, UBI is one of MANY possible ways to address the issue. There are many others.
Not how progress works. Inventions create new jobs. They stimulate growth in existing sectors and give rise to new industries, resulting in a net increase in employment opportunities.
@@particle_wave7614you, slave, may be compensated for some compliance but you are owned by the state. You can buy your freedom but where will you go? To another master? I hope not to a crueler one. Good luck
Eli Whitney had some inventions that changed the world. Standardized Parts made it to where they could give a gun and a car to everybody way easier and faster.
Lex: *Asks open-ended question* Elon: *presents false dichotomy* Elon: "Well, it's a false dichotomy." Elon (non-historian, non-politician): *Rambles about History and politics for 10 minutes*
I’ve been saying for years we should have a basic constitutional government with the basic laws written in stone that every school kid can learn and understand. Then lesser regulations passed as required. Every generation, or say 25 years, the regulations are wiped clean and the ones that worked could be revoted on and returned to the books with reforms or additions made again, as required.
Instead of UBI (which is overhyped, but understandably why), we should just strengthen regular welfare systems which are designed to help people move up.
@@MrWizardGG that would just leave us with a bloated sclerotic civil service which is the greater problem. We borrow money to run our government and eventually we’ll have to borrow to pay the interest. The system is unsustainable. Reform is necessary
@yucafries7681 none of that's true, we have plenty of tax money to pay for it. Please don't lie like that. During our countries best periods of growth we had strong welfare blankets.
Great book “the lessons of history” by two of the worlds greatest historians - William and Aerial Durant. It’s about 95 pages and it is all the pattern recognition for history you’ll ever need
How about who will be disadvantaged? The car companies? Airlines, Oil industry? These are the industries that benefit from lack of efficient public transportation and high speed rail.
@@willrsan These are the industries that CREATED a lack of a good public transpot system and then profited from the situation. Deregulating the construction of high speed rail means that raw capitalism will build lines only where convenient (profitable) and without any regard to tothe public needs. If one reads he history of New York and that of the parkways (mostly created under Robert Moses) there is evidence of ruthless destruction of neighborhoods and social life in order to make room for the parkways ("The Power Broker" by Robert Caro)
Who will benefit? Everyone apart from automotive and oil companies. Look at Europe or Asia, where there are good train networks business grows a lot faster
Soft people create hard times, hard times create hard people, hard people create good times, good times create soft people And also human nature is forever unchanged e.g. greed
Earth is so young. America WILL NOT fall. We are so close to the 300th year. what answers do we search for? So many risen and fallen. We ARE different. We are Christian. I do love this podcast! so much to consider. faith is key. what do we place our faith in?
The thing I hate is that every “ philosophy” discussion ends up being the same shtick: empires rise and fall, human nature never changes etc. cliches and boring to be honest.
Gulliver being tied down by a million little strings is like the mass proliferation of government regulations, making it illegal to do anything practical, Great analogy!
3:15 Your forgetting Sanskrit. A fully formed system of writing with so called origins around 3500 years ago. Actually it is much older but that is another topic.
People who want women to have babies never seem to ask what would make women want more babies. Im not birthing a child to be in poverty. In war. A slave to a corporation. A toy for grown men. Not birthing a child to see them work hard and never own a home.
The situation has been like this through all of history for most people Being a human means suffering, humans can adapt to their situation whatever it may be. That's what it's pointless to think this way. Just have children if you want. They're going to manage. Life is not meant to be comfortable for anyone, not rich, not poor
Not that I don’t agree, but I don’t think women, or people in general need to be bribed with $$ to have kids either You have kids because you want to. Whether rich or poor. If you don’t think it’s right for you or the right time, then maybe you’re not meant to have kids, probably ever I wish people looked at having kids as not just a milestone in life to achieve but something to Earn
An increase in technical advancement is almost obvious. The printing press and libraries made sure of that. More people exposed to knowledge instigates curiosity.
Yeah god forbid the government eases up on the red tape and spends tax dollars more effectively and efficiently. So dystopian, literally 1984. I love the government being bad at their jobs wooooo
Stress is essential. Some degree of conflict is essential. The only western society with positive growth rate is israel( the jewish population- inc secular jews). The threat of extermination creates “counter force”- a 3+ children and rising. ( the growth rate was higher with muslim israelis- but the graphs crossed 5 years ago and continue to divert.
You are connecting 2 unconnected topics. The stress individuals experience is a different dimension from nations. It is also more about incentive than stress (birth rate). You see, birth rate is low among working class and middle class in the western nations, not the upper middle and rich. That is exactly dur to stress on finances and time.
Love Elon!! Love his ideas! Love everything that he’s doing for democracy and free speech! Love everything he’s doing for science and humanity!! Thank you Elon!
@techeepeach1197 Musk is often derided and sometimes bitterly criticized for political reasons, mostly by one of the two parties.. Details are well known and nothing much to add to the subject. But one should also ask the question: how many of these politicians would be able to show such wealth of education and knowledge, from philosophy to history and from science to economics? If we want to put mind over matter (or money) who would really qualify to lead a country???
it's strange to see how some of the highlights of universe 25 seems similar to what past civilizations experienced and some of the things happening right now
Not necessarily, he is indeed very smart. But just becuase he’s rich dosent mean he’s right about every thing. Don’t be salty, but I appreciate that you can question stuff. Apart from your hill billy redneck Patrick mahomes loving moonshine drinking in bred cousins
@hansweissmann_xviii6754 if only the 3rd flea has voice like them. Perhaps he can be heard rather than squeaking in his little comment box belittling himself.
@@adenshures6573 RU-vid apparently doesn’t like me saying this, so I’ll have to say it again. Aden, I’m truly sorry for the brainwashing the marxist left has inflicted upon you. I hope you’re able to get the help you need.
Thank you for reminding me of the Roman child tax credit. I am now infinity percent against the child tax credit in the USA. We need to decrease debt as our approach to increasing birthrate, which is why I propose the Federal Reserve needs to continue raising interest rates for as long as Only Fans is in business.
They were savvy hunter-gatherers, but they didn’t practice an acceleration of innovation. That doesn’t mean they didn’t create some really great ideas.
The problem isn't people turning their backs on God. When religion declines, people stop believing in something bigger than themselves. And when that happens, people turn inwards and becomes narcissistic. You don't even have to believe in a specific God. But not believing in something bigger than yourself is a big problem.
So were the Zulus under King Shaka not a civilization? As an example. To my knowledge, they had not been writing then. They had a system of verbal storytelling to preserve their culture.
It depends who you ask but I would say no. They had a primitive/tribal society and were not “civilized.” The ancient Greeks had a system of storytelling too that predated writing for hundreds of years. Homer was one such poet that would have memorized and recited his works. But that society was relatively tribal at that point too. You cannot have organized systems of governance, taxation, law, economics, engineering and medicine without some form of writing.
you have no idea who invented the wheel, nor do i, nor does anyone alive today. we dont even have any idea how long humans have been around. humans could have been around billions of years and we would never know.
The invention of writing was the technological development that allowed mankind to overcome the limitations of human memory. The industrial revolution was the technological development that allowed mankind to overcome the limitations of human strength. The invention of A.I. is the technological development that allows mankind to overcome the limitations of human thought.
As a person who has no physical skills and lacks the money to properly get qualified, something like AI is going to help me get productive as my thoughts are the only measure of my worth at this point. Though AI is going to have access to my thoughts if Neuralinks get cheaper and more efficient, that will be interesting if anything XD
While growing families is good from purely economic standpoint we have 8 billion people on this earth and a lot of people are having a really hard time. Having 1 billion people but more than enough to go around sounds a lot better, although admittedly the economy would suffer getting there
History has shown us that social democracies of democratic republics, are the best form of government, and socio-capitalism is the best economic system. A global population of 2 billion, which is what it was at WW2, is ideal, and most-likely where we’re heading, with a stronger UN.
