Empire at War: Fall of the Republic - 01 - This is where the fun begins(?) 

Made me laugh IRL, well done

@@SorcererDave No problem mate, just keep these up.

You should have let dooku die.

The more they add to the universe, the more they create problems like this. I really like The Clone Wars animated series, I think it's a lot of fun and manages to be far better than I'd expect for what's clearly meant as a kids show. But by showing Obi Wan and Cody having so much time together and having a real bond, it makes the betrayal feel wrong, out of character.

@@Shape430 I still don't like the chip idea. Half of the ... 'holy shit' factor of the original betrayal (at least for me) was the idea that the clones, despite having fought alongside the jedi for years, were such well trained and loyal soldiers that they didn't have a second thought about following their order. That the jedi couldn't predict it because the clones were such loyal soldiers that they (with opportunity for exceptions to make good stories, like the ARCs) felt absolutely nothing when executing their new order. No feelings for the force to pick up on, just a blindly loyal soldier following orders. You know, humanise them so the viewer forgets that they are purpose built creations who while looking human, were born, brainwashed and raised for a single purpose. To kill without question.

@@UnevenRanger I mean the thing is they are clones. So the chips make sense either way. What is your 1 way of making sure these clones follow you. Yes you brainwash them in schools growing up but they are clones of humans and are made to be individual thinkers, hence clones being made captains and commanders. So the chip is a way of keeping the clones loyalty guaranteed.

@@trollpikken6907 I mean, they may have been templated from a human but they were genetically modified to be extra obedient and less independent. So while I understand having a chip as a "no matter what, they will do as I say" backup ... it takes away the agency of the clones. Look at in the show, they forget what they did under the chips influence, like you said its like they were brainwashed as sleeper agents. Someone who is controlled to shoot you in the back like a sectoid mind controlling your soldier in XCOM is much less of a painful backstab than someone who willingly followed the order to shoot you in the back while disregarding any feelings or comradary you two had built is much more emotionally painful. Nothing against people who like the chips, it has some thematic coolness of how the clones are literally just organic droids to the Republic but its not my cup of tea.

I hated the chip,. I agree that it was a lot more impactful when the clones betrayal was effective because they just didn't question the order they got rather than needing to become a robot, it helps show how deep and strong their brainwashing and conditioning was. It also helps explain the Rise of the Empire better, imo. The clones were never good guys, they just had good leaders. They obeyed unquestioningly, and then when the leaders became bad, they did evil unquestioning. It explains how they became a brutal hammer for the empire better than "Well there's a chip that made them kill jedi". Like cool, but why were they all just fine after? Oh they forgot what they did? That's cool but the universe didn't, surely they'd all be freaking out at how they'd killed their friends and couldn't even remember it. They'd be useless for the Empire! Without the chip, instead we get the impression that they did genuinely just follow theborders, and when those orders became to repress people and do evil shit, they did it because those were their orders. That's all they cared about, their entire life and moral compass was built around following orders, so to them there was nothing to question. Hell, there's another angle you can come at it too considering the moral complexity of the situation which I think the chip explanation kinda destroys and makes less interesting; The Clones were child soldiers, pretty much, they were slaves for the Republic and the Jedi, then the Empire. So if we're looking for motive for the Clones to turn, the chip feels like it's trying to explain away a problem which isn't there. The clones aren't free men fighting for the Republic and its ideals, they're slaves fighting for their master in exchange for not dying. So I actually like the potential implication that many of them just never liked the Jedi on a personal level, there was simply no conflict between their order to kill the jedi and their own beliefs, and so they just followed the Jedi because those were their orders. Why must they like the Jedi, when you think about it? The Jedi are just more masters in charge of them, at the end of the day. For all the Jedis talk of good and the light side, they ultimately took up the mantle of slave army General over the Clones... so why should the clone troopers actually view them as anything more than that? Maybe it's the jedi who deluded themselves about what their relation to the clones was and what the clones really thought. So I feel there's no contradiction here, the chip doesn't need to be there. The clones made sense already, and it would have been a way more interesting story if instead we got more hints of how, actually, the clones really weren't all in on this shit. Stuff like in the 501st journal in Battlefront where the guy says "We wondered why so many good clones had to die for a bunch of walking carpets."

May he rest in peace (that he may get demonetized) edit: added (that he may get demonetized)

WHO INDEED WOULD ALLOW SUCH A THING TO HAPPEN?

@@SorcererDave Hey now, Dooku did get captured by pirates once.

@@Flight_of_Icaruspirates and clones are different

Same for me dude lol. Just finished it.

Rebels was a bad show with worse cgi then clonewars plus disney starwars sucks sjwwars its more like

@@mscapeh4451 Lol, it was fine. At its worst, it wasn't much worse than TCW's worst, and at its best, it was a worthy sequel to the show. Disney Canon is a mixed bag, with a lot of bullshit that doesn't make sense, but a lot of awesome expansion to the universe, too. Same as Legends Canon.

You have no idea how long I was sat there repeatedly pressing the space bar with a bored expression on my face

@@SorcererDave Not sure if you're already aware, but if you select a unit and press C, you get a camera view specific to that unit

This video is currently set as Unlisted. Do you mind telling me where you got access to it?

@@SorcererDave I just clicked on your playlists and it was there I didn't realise it was unlisted I thought it'd just been uploaded

@@tommurphy4770 Yeah it's not due to be released yet, that's why it doesn't have a thumbnail. No worries, I've made the playlist private as well now. My mistake!

@@SorcererDave Ahh okay well my bad. It was a good one though I'm looking forward to the others... when they're actually due to be released that is

@@tommurphy4770 Haha, glad you liked it. Should be officially out within the week.

To be fair, the idea that Order 66 was mind control came about before the Disney buyout. Series six of The Clone Wars was made before Disney took over so that's all on Filoni and Lucas.

@@KitchenSinkSoup Oh, I have no doubt that it came from Lucas. I mean, the idea that the clones all had names and individual personalities really came from him. And I don't necessarily think it was a bad choice, especially given how The Clone Wars cartoon was depicting them being all warm and buddy-buddy with the Jedi (despite the 'guardians of peace and justice' apparently being totes okay with leading an army of slaves). But I still prefer the Legends canon, since I think it's a more nuanced and interesting take. A sinister and secret agenda, hidden not by shadowy cabals and backroom dealings, but by bureaucracy.

@@angmordagnithil7127 Have to overall agree, though I do like how the cartoon fleshed out the clones personalities more.

Nah. Its' an Imperial roundel. Its a leftover asset from TR

Heroes deaths are permanent in this mod (both your's and AI's).

True. Buyed em both after begining too watch him playin it.