EN nowy80Retro #86 Doom comparison on Amiga 1200 030 50MHz and Atari Falcon 030 16MHz with DSP

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I invite you to the material comparing Doom on Amiga 1200 030 / 50MHz and Atari Falcon 030 / 16MHz with DSP. Which version do you like more?
Zapraszam do materiału z porównaniem Dooma na Amidze 1200 030/50MHz oraz Atari Falcon 030/16MHz z DSP. Która wersja bardziej przypadła Wam do gustu?
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@lancashirered 10 месяцев назад

The built in chunky pixel mode on the falcon really helps, the amiga version is truly hampered by not having a chunky mode. If AGA had featured this the Amiga version would have been much faster than the ST version as it also had a full 32-bit data bus. Provided it also had some fast ram of course.

@nowy80Retro 10 месяцев назад

If my information is correct, Atari Falon screen is also converted to chunky pixel. For Atari Falcon, conversion to chunky pixel is easier and takes fewer resources. The CT60/63 card is a very fast card due to its very fast memory. Only the newer designs of turbo cards for the Amiga compete well with the Atari Falcon in terms of speed. The Amiga CD32 is an interesting design, it has hardware conversion to a chunky pixel (Akiko chip). Regards

@chrisjenkins1223 5 месяцев назад

BadMood uses the Falcon's chunky 16-bit mode. It's lucky that this mode exists; every other mode on the Falcon is planar and I imagine that would have made it significantly more expensive to implement Doom.

@Gunstarrhero1 2 года назад

the atari falcon version is far superior; i like the upgraded textures and more colour support. running at 16mhz, its running the same as the amiga, well a little faster. run the clock on the falcon at 50mhz and play this again, head to head; the falcon will crush the amiga. try playing it with the mouse next time instead of the keys, youll find it to be a much nicer experience. the amiga is vanilla, however the amiga sucks :) yet in retro spect, it took atari how long to build something that actually kicks ass? someone needs to reverse engineer the falcons board and let people build new ones, inexpensive enough. im sure the dsp can be put on an fpga or something, or even use a pi in its place to that extent. well, atari won this one.

@nowy80Retro 2 года назад

Atari released great equipment with DSP. I have an Atari TT connected to a Yamaha CBX-D3. My Atari TT and Cubase also have DSP (with Yamaha). I love recording music on the Atari, that's what this equipment was made for.

@BoomBox02 2 года назад

Doom on the Amiga loads up super quick if you add buffers to the hard drive you are loading it from. I think the command is something like this. Addbuffers hd0: 1000

@nowy80Retro 2 года назад

I specifically loaded Amiga and Atari games in the same way. HDDs were connected to the motherboards. The landing time is very similar.

@Jammet 2 года назад

The Atari version's textures look weirdly altered, and there are effects programmed into it that aren't original doom. That's some kind of improved version. The Amiga version acts vanilla.

@nowy80Retro 2 года назад

I agree with your opinion. I just had such versions at the time of recording the material.

@chrisjenkins1223 5 месяцев назад

If I understand it correctly, BadMood makes use of the Falcon's 16-bit colour mode and implements some lighting tricks that weren't in the original Doom.

@mjnurney 2 года назад

the 68030 has a hard time with Doom. even the slowest 68040 is a huge improvement. Adoom on the Amiga plays background music and its freely available on Aminet. Doom runs with less than 6mb ram, MSDOS is 4mb i think...Nice to see the Atari falcon version, it's a pitty the horrible ST didn't have some of its features

@nowy80Retro 2 года назад

Doom on 68030 and 386DX processors works very similarly. Playing in full screen requires a lot of patience :)

@madigorfkgoogle9349 2 года назад

horrible ST? Amiga was not much better, for many tasks the Amiga was "horrible" when compared to ST, much slower. And at the end STE was much better then A500, pity it was poorly supported by software makers...

@nowy80Retro 2 года назад

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 Amiga and STE do well in specific applications. I believe that Atari's big mistake was to keep selling STs when STEs were available. STE has not become a standard in Atari.

@madigorfkgoogle9349 2 года назад

@@nowy80Retro I agree, the thing was that Atari had its own software house Atari Games and failed to do the same thing as Commodore did in 1987, and didnt financially support independent software producers. So they cared less that Atari surpassed Amiga A500 in 1989...

@Hankkillo 2 года назад

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 ste is not better than even the first ocs amiga 500. 32, ehb 64 ,ham4096 colores on screen amiga vs 16 atari ste Sprites suport amiga yes, ste dont 4 Chanels pcm sound amiga, ste 2 Copper amiga yes, ste no Ecs amiga up to 56 khz sound 14 bit audio, , ste 50 8 bit Resolution , amiga 640x512 ocs, 1280x256 ecs. In which way the ste is better than an A500 sir?. If you are an Stfan is good for me, but please , dont be ridiculous.

@illegalquantity Год назад

I prefer the Amiga! The Falcon game looks like if it was faster, but the Amiga screen is bigger, and the Falcon graphics are darker (a small cheat, but it also brings something in speed). Also the Amiga graphics are closer (actually the same) to the original. The Amiga experience is kind of the PC Doom, on a 486 DX-2 66 MHz configuration (I played on that too)

@nowy80Retro Год назад

The Falcon screen size and color match the VGA output. Native RGB looks a bit different. Please take this into consideration. Regards

@LuciRosseTV Год назад

not really, on my 486dx2 50 mhz I played doom PROPERLY, not like this

@madigorfkgoogle9349 Год назад

you kidding right? Amiga version has totally washed out colours. The blue and red has to glow like on Falcon. The slightly darker tone doesnt bring any speed advantage... 50MHz clock with Fast RAM should be much faster over 16MHz + Chip RAM, but still the Falcon version is more fluid while playing back the background track, and this is not the recent version optimized by DML. /flame_mode=true/ *Amiga is junk* 😈 :/flame_mode=false/

@Corsa15DT 2 года назад

Maybe the Amiga port needs to optimizes, cause P4P the Falcon kills it.

@kordoz10 9 дней назад

Doomattack engine on A1230/50 is much smoother: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BnIssyblRXI.html

@nowy80Retro 8 дней назад

Thank you for the information. A truly well-optimized port of DOOM

@johnhunt1725 10 месяцев назад

Both of these machines SUCK at Doom compared to my 486DX 33.

@nowy80Retro 10 месяцев назад

Both computers have processors that Doom was not prepared for. Both the Amiga and Atari Falcon handle this title well with the 060 processor.

@gorangorkoza6666 9 месяцев назад

Hi, It is about the same. I recall trying MS DOS version of Doom on small Compaq Aero laptop with 486/33MHz CPU, 4 MB RAM, back in the days, and gameplay was a slideshow, not really playable experience... To me it seems that Atari Falcon is winner here obviously. Cheers!

@nowy80Retro 9 месяцев назад

@@gorangorkoza6666 Interestingly, the game runs better on Motorola processors, on which this game was not programmed. Regards

@madigorfkgoogle9349 5 месяцев назад

@@nowy80Retro the PCs depended on VGA card as well, so maybe he had very slow VGA card in the 486. Normally a faster 386DX with ET-4000 or faster card could handle Doom OK.

@nowy80Retro 5 месяцев назад

@@madigorfkgoogle9349 I agree that the dependency between the computer and the graphics card is large. Looking back over the years, I have much more fondness for Amiga or Atari than PC. Regards