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ENGINEER EXPLAINS 2022 TOYOTA TUNDRA TURBO/WASTEGATE ISSUE - 7 THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW 

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Automotive Engineer David Chao has created this video in response to many of you who asked about the potential issue with 2022 Tundra's turbo/wastegate. What exactly is the issue? David explains in "everyday language" the situation with the wastegate/actuator and summarizes the video with "7 things you need to know about this issue."
Automotive Press is owned and managed by David Koichi Chao, a global expert in the field of automotive evaluation, consulting, and strategy. David is known around the world as an authentic specialist of Lean Thinking or Toyota Production System. Born and raised in Japan, David has an engineering degree from University of British Columbia and post-graduate education from MIT and Harvard Business School in Boston.

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@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
Thank you everyone for your honest comments and feedback. But please be respectful as I am simply trying my best to share as much insight as possible and stay neutral so that you understand what is currently going on with the new Tundra. I welcome comments on both sides of the fence but let's be professional in how we convey our emotions about this potential issue. And since I am not in front of the actual Tundra with the issues, I also cannot confirm or verify the actual problem that the owners might be experiencing. I can only deduce insights based on the facebook/tundra forums which may or may not be accurate. By the way, as a side note, removing the cab from the chassis for engine repair is a common practice that is not difficult to do. If you would like me to continue covering important - but often controversial - topics then please let me know in the comment section. I really don't want to back off from talking about sensitive issues but if videos like this become the "hotbed" for non-productive arguments, I may have to re-think about future videos. Anyhow, thank you again for watching.
@tedolsen6251
@tedolsen6251 2 года назад
David - I appreciate you. Please do continue to cover and report important and controversial topics like this one on the new Tundra. Thank you!
@agentcovert
@agentcovert 2 года назад
Thank you..for all your hard work and for being neutral.. in all seriousness this issue was just the average teething problems with a redesign.. it's more important what the manufacturer does to fix issues then what the issue may or may not be..I wouldn't hesitate to buy any model of Toyota..which can't be said about other manufacturers currently..
@Random1234-j8d
@Random1234-j8d 2 года назад
Well said. I have a 2022 tundra. 1600 miles and use it for work. I tow a trailer behind me. Everything about this truck with me current experience has only been great. I hope for those that have been going through this issue get it resolved and get back in there awesome truck soon.
@MrTe3
@MrTe3 2 года назад
Thank you for all your info David , truly appreciate it . I wanted to confirm something though , do we know how different the Hybrid engine is compared to the regular one ? I'm curious if the Hybrid has the same parts that are having the issues now.
@agentcovert
@agentcovert 2 года назад
@@MrTe3 Not exactly what you are asking but based off what a Toyota engineer stated..the internals of the transmission are heavy duty and the rear differential is heavy duty as well on the hybrid model to handle the extra torque of the electric motor..583 lbs of torque..perhaps David can speak about this matter..as well as answer your question..
@jimthumerzs2301
@jimthumerzs2301 2 года назад
I understand that you're saying that it's not the turbocharger itself, but rather the waste-gate actuator - but then you go on to say it's an integrated unit which requires replacement of the turbocharger, which basically means - it's a turbocharger issue! Part of the ownership experience is consideration of the ease of serviceability. That the entire cab needs removed to replace the turbocharger is a huge concern to me because things taken apart are usually never the same. There's always "extra" bolts and clips that are leftover or broken during the repair. And even if it goes back together OK once, how many things will this design require that cab-off fix? I can't image that process is anything but very expensive and at some point, owners will be paying out of pocket for it. You assured us that all this added complexity would not impact Tundra reliability because Toyota's development and production process is almost perfect. I think this issue shows that no matter how good the process may be, if you start adding extra parts to an engine, those parts are just another potential point of failure.
@PHILLIPS8822
@PHILLIPS8822 2 года назад
I like Davids videos but I think because he used to work for Toyota he defends them a little to much. What ever the problem is with the new Tundra if I were a owner who just payed $70000 for this truck and had this issue I would be pissed
@jes3363
@jes3363 2 года назад
True
@PHILLIPS8822
@PHILLIPS8822 2 года назад
@@naveenthemachine Yes and also the first year (2016)Gen 3 Tacoma which I own. Mainly the gear hunting and Transmission surging in the 6 speed automatic so far I only had the constant gear hunting which I regeared to 4:88 which solved the problem .Also there are some that have fuel pump issues
@jimthumerzs2301
@jimthumerzs2301 2 года назад
@@luchaDor THAT thought, that it is possible that a failed turbo trashes the whole engine, didn't reassure me at all! Is that really a possible scenario if (any part) of the turbo fails?
@MrKongpvu
@MrKongpvu 2 года назад
My Toyota service department couldn't help me fix my auto tilting reverse side view mirrors. Weather it was laziness or incompetent if a problem of this magnitude to arise I have zero confidence my dealer could even fix it or fix it well or even want to. My dealer service department seems to like to fix recalls where they get some grand incentives but to identify an issue and maybe having to chase the issue they aren't too enthusiastic.
@MrSimpleme1
@MrSimpleme1 2 года назад
Expecting a Scotty Kilmer video “ I was RIGHT about the new Tundra.” LoL
@BlahBlahManYeah
@BlahBlahManYeah 2 года назад
Once he called those supercharged engines as fart sniffers. 😊
@rodrigomontoya3112
@rodrigomontoya3112 2 года назад
He knew this very well , so keep listening to Scotty.
@gadielsantiago8813
@gadielsantiago8813 2 года назад
True lmao
@iwoww562a9
@iwoww562a9 2 года назад
Wait what did he say about them? I've actually been looking for this?
@61espo
@61espo 2 года назад
@@blackericdenice 😂😂😂
@truthjustice3313
@truthjustice3313 2 года назад
So glad I decided on a 2021 Limited and picked up in October. Long live the 5.7!
@gsaenz90
@gsaenz90 2 года назад
Great choice. Really like the Limited trim
@thomasluggiero3413
@thomasluggiero3413 2 года назад
Who cares what power that twin turbo V6 makes, I'd take the 5.7L all day long. They should have just updated the transmission with it years ago.
@anthonyiannozzi6777
@anthonyiannozzi6777 2 года назад
me too, I bought the 2021 Tundra as the last of the old school 8 cylinders. Simple proven engine, no need to change.
@qouavang3646
@qouavang3646 2 года назад
Yeah but the 21 doesn't have a transcooler, I think 14-18 tundras are the best looking and most reliable
@truthjustice3313
@truthjustice3313 2 года назад
@@qouavang3646 True, and I totally agree that it is needed. I monitored tranny temps before and after installation. If one is going to do any towing, definitely needed. That's why I added one. Dumb cost cutting move on Toyota's part.
@DominikKolano
@DominikKolano 2 года назад
It’s not just 5 or 6 tundras, it’s most of them!! I got mine on New Years eve and it’s at the dealership since 1/10/22 with its cab of the frame. My father got his few days ago and it has a check engine light!! Now I regret trading in my 2020 TRD sport for the new one. I have a construction company and need a pickup truck everyday, Toyota gave me a Camry as a loaner, but I still have to rent a pickup truck from rental company! And they won’t reimburse me for that which is 600$ a week!! Toyota had 15 years to make this right and they failed big time!! My family had Toyotas since I can remember, Highlanders, Camrys, tundras, siennas, all of them were trouble free for the 100-150k miles!! Edit: Dealer I bought my Truck from Sold 34 tundras since they got them, 8 of them are at the service as I’m writing this with the same problem! Just got me dads tundra to the dealer!! Estimated repair time is 6-8 weeks!!
@lowrider0two
@lowrider0two 2 года назад
That sucks We all new there might be growing pains but not this big
@Vox-Populi
@Vox-Populi 2 года назад
Sorry that you're going through that brother. That's a real world problem that can't be explained away by the Corporate Communications department.
@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw
@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw 2 года назад
Could you force them to buy the truck back?
@DominikKolano
@DominikKolano 2 года назад
@@SasukeUchiha-zu6dw i’m in the process of trying to do that and get my old one back since they didn’t sell it yet!
@troublew1
@troublew1 2 года назад
Toyota should just buy the trucks back in good faith or give you a Tacoma.
@brandonvance6969
@brandonvance6969 2 года назад
Thank you for this video. It helped calm my nerves. I have a 2022 Tundra and my check engine light came on along with the reduced engine performance warning a couple of weeks ago. The weird part is, the lights eventually went out on their own. To be safe, I took my truck to the dealership where I purchased it and they said they cleared the codes and took it for a drive and the lights didn't come back on for them. The truck was returned to me and after a couple of days both the check engine light came back on, and I received the reduced engine performance warning again, then after driving it a couple of times the lights disappeared again. I reported the problem again to the dealership and they basically told me that Toyota wasn't sure what the exact problem was, but if the lights appeared one more time to let them know and they would order a replacement turbo for me. They also said the truck was safe to drive even in the reduced engine performance mode and told me if they had to order a turbo I could drive my truck up until the parts arrived. I thought this was a good idea at first but thought about it some more and came to the conclusion that driving a vehicle with a defective turbo is a bad idea plus this could possibly be a tactic by the dealership to keep my truck off of their lot to avoid a lemon law claim. I say this because in my state, they have 3 shots to fix the issue, or if the vehicle is out of commission for more then 30 days then I can file a claim. With the parts shortage that you described, I have no doubt my truck would've sat for more then 30 days therefore I would've files a claim. The good thing is, shortly after my lights went out the last time, I received a notification while driving that an update was available. I accepted the update, and since then my lights have not come back on so I am hoping the actuator problem that you described was a software issue that they fixed with the update. I'm keeping my fingers crossed because I really do love my Tundra. Thanks again!
@RyDaHero10
@RyDaHero10 2 года назад
Got me a brand new 2022 tundra almost 2 weeks ago and love it. Any issues so far? Only 500 miles in on it.
@brandonvance6969
@brandonvance6969 2 года назад
@@RyDaHero10 So far so good. I think my issue may have been related to a software issue. There was a software update and since then I haven't experienced any issues. The only other issue that my Tundra has experienced was cracking seat panels on the sides of the driver and passenger front seats. The dealership replaced them free of charge so all is good now. Love my TRD Sport. Good luck.
@RyDaHero10
@RyDaHero10 2 года назад
@@brandonvance6969 good to hear. How many miles?
@brandonvance6969
@brandonvance6969 2 года назад
@@RyDaHero10 Around 17,000 I believe.
@radarguyus1
@radarguyus1 2 года назад
For the last 20 years, I wouldn't even consider any vehicle that wasn't a Honda or Toyota. This is starting to change my mind. I have always consciously avoided turbocharged vehicles, and this video reinforces that decision. Out of warranty, I am positive these turbos will cost between $2K and $3K apiece, never mind labor. Don't even pretend these will last 350k+ miles that is otherwise typical for Toyota.
@soundmoneystacker2787
@soundmoneystacker2787 2 года назад
Yeah I have a 21 Tiguan 2.0 Tsi it’s super impressive absolutely love it no problems once so ever
@RF-dw8ms
@RF-dw8ms 2 года назад
You know so much about something that hasn’t been on the market for a year yet. Please tell me more 🤡
@GRB22
@GRB22 2 года назад
@@RF-dw8ms you have a blown Toyota turbo too? That sucks lol
@radarguyus1
@radarguyus1 2 года назад
@@RF-dw8ms Yes, I do. I know there are now multiple occurrences of new Tundras with the same issue without even a full tank of gas run through them. This is not a minor squeak, rattle, or sticky door knob. This is a major drivetrain failure that renders the truck a brick. Go buy one. I'm sure Toyota will eagerly sell you their fancy brick for $60k or so
@mt1885
@mt1885 2 года назад
@@radarguyus1 INFLATION it will be $10,000 a piece and they will be back ordered for a year and price will be $15,000.
@alphaville99
@alphaville99 2 года назад
David, thank you for addressing this issue. I'm shocked that Toyota hasn't publicly addressed this major issue.
@mblake0420
@mblake0420 2 года назад
They are busy cleaning their pants
@richardbennett22
@richardbennett22 2 года назад
Thanks for the update. What concerns me the most is the repair and removing the body from the frame. This is why I always wait a full year or so before buying any new or re-designed model, I have always done that. I don't doubt Toyota will get it right but add in the supply shortage and everything else going on right now it is a little unsettling.
@michaelrincon559
@michaelrincon559 2 года назад
I hope they can fix the turn radius. Went from best in class to last.
@BlahBlahManYeah
@BlahBlahManYeah 2 года назад
With ongoing pandemic I would not be so optimistic that issues prone to new release would be fixed in next model year. Everything has to double or tripled in time. But live still goes on.
@Kanti12311
@Kanti12311 2 года назад
Who in the hall engineer or like that. Turbo should be easy to remove and installed
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 2 года назад
The first year of the 2GR-FE which is the 2005 is mostly trouble free. The UR, GR, and AR families of Toyota engines are very robust and reliable. The first gen Lexus NX200T/300 only made 236 instead of 245 hp due to reliability reasons.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 года назад
Glad I canceled mine. This engine is to complex for the fuel mileage it gets. Looks like you wouldn't want to keep it after the warranty expires due to possible future repair expenses. Should have had a non turbo option. This really puts a thorn in the Toyota brand.
@Mycameron2323
@Mycameron2323 2 года назад
Lmao dude. Just keep your 05 tundra
@pireina1
@pireina1 2 года назад
That’s what the world has come to, but I cannot justify a new truck every 5 years or so, hence trying to get the most reliable truck I can get and this New Gen tundra in my opinion won’t do.
@seinundzeiten
@seinundzeiten 2 года назад
Toyota should have kept the v8 option
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 года назад
@@Mycameron2323 it's a 18 6.2 Silverado that gets 19.1 mpg mixed driving.
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023
@unemployedredneckhillbilly2023 2 года назад
@@pireina1 With all that tubing and extra plumbing and living in the snow belt you can bet it will not last long
@timrussell5988
@timrussell5988 2 года назад
David, I appreciate the info. Multiple times you said "potential issue". To me it is clear there is an issue. I think you are splitting hairs when you said it is not a turbo issue because it is the actuator that failed and not the turbo. While the clarification is appreciated, if the turbo has to be replaced, it is a turbo issue. I also expect the service Dept is also calling it a turbo issue unless Toyota has specifically told the service Dept to use other language. There are many vehicles on the road with turbos. Do they all require the body be removed from the chassis to be repaired? How is this repair done for a unibody? I would be interested to know how complex it is to remove the body from the chassis and if these owners can expect other issues as a result of the body being removed? I realize you own a company that works with auto manufacturers and you may have to choose your words carefully.
@pireina1
@pireina1 2 года назад
Totally agree it is at the end a turbo issue. Cannot be separated.
@troublew1
@troublew1 2 года назад
I wonder would it be easier to just pull the motor out instead of removing the frame?
@joesmith3908
@joesmith3908 2 года назад
On Mercedes SUV’s we drop the front subframe with the engine and transmission to replace turbos.
@ChickennGritss
@ChickennGritss 2 года назад
Thank you David for explaining the turbo problem in depth. Im a big fan of Toyota they have always stood behind their products and have been a customer for years. All the Best to you
@junxu7608
@junxu7608 2 года назад
As an automotive engineer, this issue usually indicates there are more out there, just a matter of time to manifest the scope of the problem. I would wait for a couple of years before buying the truck.
@matrixcrypto1343
@matrixcrypto1343 2 года назад
That’s my plan maybe after 2 or 3 yrs 🤷🏼
@Joalse
@Joalse 2 года назад
Do you think the 2023 Sequoia will have the same problem?
@sexyfishyphish
@sexyfishyphish 2 года назад
@@Joalse well it will have the same power train so eh maybe. But honestly I can't see them letting this problem persist into 2023
@mikehughes8023
@mikehughes8023 Год назад
@@sexyfishyphish that’s why they have a warranty. Every new refresh will have it’s issues but Toyota has consistently rectifying them in timely manner. My 2007 Crewmax has had the valve drop issue during its first 8,000 miles. That was the only major defect and now it’s at 265,628 miles problem-free with regular maintenance intervals.
@BobJones-zw3ui
@BobJones-zw3ui Год назад
@@mikehughes8023Toyota should insulate customers from these catastrophic problems that are not of the customer’s making. Extend the warranty to 10 years to cover this and other presently unknowable issues if you want to keep your customers. Kindly transmit my message to Japan. Belief in Toyota’s integrity must be reestablished. We customers spend far too much money on a product that is supposedly “bullet proof”
@Kanesgarage
@Kanesgarage 2 года назад
When the last gen tundra redesign debuted in 2007, there was a bad batch of camshafts installed on some of the 5.7 motors. Some of you may remember. Toyota took care of the issue quickly and it eventually became a very rare issue.
@MrGmilton
@MrGmilton 2 года назад
@@Pantelifts10 l like Toyota as much as anyone but I have no bias towards any manufacturer, what always astonished me was the super fans act like Toyota never has issues when in fact they have had their share from oil sludge blowing engines to the current halogen headlight fires. But whatever I guess those are not issues to fanboys
@cessealbeach
@cessealbeach 2 года назад
It took them 15 Years to Fix all the Bugs on the 5.7, I owned 2. 2020 They addressed all issues including the Transmission issues. 2022 They dump the engine
@mowgli6345
@mowgli6345 2 года назад
@@MrGmilton Literally every car manufacturer has issues with lemons. But Toyota hand builds when they design before putting the cars on the factory line, and halt production exponentially more to fix problems before they make it to the product stage. Problems still leak through, but it's essentially a numbers game. When people say Toyota is reliable it doesn't mean every single car they make is reliable. It's just odds.
@corydelbiondo5773
@corydelbiondo5773 Год назад
@@Pantelifts10 why not do an AIP bypass it's much cheaper that's what I did under $500
@davidanderson8469
@davidanderson8469 Год назад
Myself and two friends bought 1985 Toyota trucks. Each one ate 2.5qts of oil every 3K. Toyota deemed it within specs. They wouldn't help us. One friend walked out front of the dealer with a sign asking truck owners how much oil they used and how much his used. A few days later the dealer installed a new shortblock. Problem solved. We bought domestic trucks. Problem solved. I still feel Toyota builds the best light trucks in the world. I drove a Hino medium duty tilt cab truck with a box on the back. Hands down themost reliable vehicle I've ever enjoyed. I'm still disappointed that Toyota wouldn't admit a defect.
@clwilli
@clwilli 2 года назад
This issue can't be minimized.. a new truck with such hype and acclaim. Not a small problem and happening on a initial roll out weeks into delivery. So glad I waited.
@CACressida
@CACressida 2 года назад
I guess you're wrong about that. You guys are crying about the stupid wastegate but forgot about when Tundras were eating up camshafts on the all new 2007 5.7s back then. A camshaft is catastrophic, a wastegate is literally a nothingburger.
@thinkkops853
@thinkkops853 2 года назад
@@CACressida This! And now they became one of the most reliable v8s ever made! I remember they were also having issues with that stupid secondary air injection pump failures, and they were STUPID expensive to repair after warranty
@jhardysjourney8275
@jhardysjourney8275 2 года назад
I mean they are still fixing it. With so many intacate components you’d think it would be more. It’s normal for trucks to have issues out of the gate. Fixing the problem is much more important and Toyota will do that
@Saveyourbs
@Saveyourbs 2 года назад
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@CACressida
@CACressida 2 года назад
@@Pantelifts10 so how many trucks with wastegate issues can you tally up? 5? How many silverados with failing lifters? 100,000s? How many F150s with condensation build up in the intercooler? How many rams with failed expensive relay boxes? The Tundra shares the same engine as the Land Cruiser 300 and thousands have been sold in the middle east. How many wastegate failures are happening there? 0? Let's be realistic here. TFL and pickup truck and suv channels have new Tundras with miles on them. Another RU-vidr has been beating the shit out of his new tundra and has already put 7k miles and its still reliable. Dont act like other trucks don't have major flaws. A few Tundras catch a headline and you and every other gullible person makes it seem like all tundras are failing.
@illuminaughty2929
@illuminaughty2929 2 года назад
My lizard brain says keep things simple
@PatrickVo_613
@PatrickVo_613 2 года назад
David, you explained the problem in layman term and I appreciate that. Not a whole lot of us are true engineers like you are so it is greatly appreciated. I sure hope it is not a lingering problem for Toyota since it would hurt their reputation as a reliable automobile makers. For me, I will sit on the side to see how it pans out. I would not want to buy a brand new truck and then cannot use it for more than 30 days. That would really suck.
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
Thank you! Yes it's concerning issue but I am sure things will get sorted out very soon (if not already) because of Toyota's "kaizen" thinking
@catchingupwiththewalkers
@catchingupwiththewalkers 2 года назад
David, thanks for the explanation and turbo charger overview. You do a great job explaining the root cause of the issue. Just ignore any over-reactions. People will say anything behind a keyboard.
@bozartg
@bozartg 2 года назад
David, thanks for your analysis. We will have to wait and see but if it's not an electronic issue that can be fixed by a computer fix then, Toyota has larger issues as most are not going to be Ok with the cab being removed from the frame for this mechanical fix. They might have to lemon-law these affected units and slow production until they fix the actuator for new units. Lack of issues are why I own a Toyota but this doesn't give me that warm/fuzzy feeling for spending $70K on a truck that may have this failure later on.
@TheGrainSideUp
@TheGrainSideUp 2 года назад
I shared this with someone I know that has experienced this issue. Thank you. You need to add a #8. You paid $60k and now you will be out of your truck for at least 30 days, but realistically 45 days based on what the dealership told this guy. BUT Toyota is expecting their monthly truck payment. I hope these folks had a backup plan if you use this vehicle for work/travel. I appreciate your input!
@kingstonsean
@kingstonsean 2 года назад
If they are in a "lemon law" state they may be able to return the truck.
@TheGrainSideUp
@TheGrainSideUp 2 года назад
@@kingstonsean I saw another RU-vidr who had this issue that was in a Lemon Law state. Toyota Customer Care operator pretty much told him to do what he had to do, but TCC was not budging in working with him. The outcome for all of these owners will be interesting. Tick tock.....
@toyotafan6419
@toyotafan6419 2 года назад
If Toyota Customer relations is reading the feedback then OUCH, this is a nightmare PR problem. The Tundra model was the first to shift to small displacement turbo charging followed in the future by Sequoia, 4Runner, and Tacoma. Many lifelong Toyota fans had some skepticism on the reliability of forced induction engines and BOOM, this reinforces the fears. The other big observations from Toyota DIYers like myself is the impossible serviceability of the new Tundra when problems arise. We all don't have a lift in our garage to lift the cab off the chassis and our confidence with dealership service departments has greatly diminished. The service department is a profit center for the dealership, not to enhance customer loyalty.. I do have confidence that Toyota will (reluctantly) make changes to ensure confidence of it's owners. (They replaced 1/2 million FRAMES on the Tacoma at a cost of $15,000+ per vehicle). Acknowledge the problem, clearly communicate it, and increase the warranty to show confidence in your engineered systems. The Toyota 5.7l has proven itself to be a 1 million mile engine. Can we expect the same from the new 3.5L TT? As a lifetime Toyota enthusiast that never considers another brand..... I'm a bit worried.
@mt1885
@mt1885 2 года назад
Don't worry they will all be electric (and electricity will cost $1500 a month) then power goes out and one will walk. In case no one has figured it out yet, there plan is to 'get people out of the cars' meaning there will be no driving at all. Then TAXED per mile in your electric powered shopping cart. You can charge it with your solar panels that will cost you $50,000.
@mblake0420
@mblake0420 2 года назад
@@mt1885 "you will own nothing and be happy " - world economic forum. These people are pulling the rug out from under us one generation at a time. 2026 all new vehicles will be watching you and will have kill switches for the government. It was in the infrastructure bill.
@mt1885
@mt1885 2 года назад
@@mblake0420 JESUS is the answer - but the world rejects it and we are in this disaster.
@mblake0420
@mblake0420 2 года назад
@@mt1885 rope and a tall tree is the answer
@tjinla9850
@tjinla9850 2 года назад
@@nightdipper5178 If we we all pitch in there should be plenty of rope.
@JohnSmith-dj5gf
@JohnSmith-dj5gf 2 года назад
I’m a Toyota guy, own an Avalon and a 1980 FJ40. I’m in the market for tow vehicle to tow my Land Cruiser, tractor, etc. I really wanted to buy a new Tundra but have decided against it for numerous reasons. 1) very low payload rating esp in higher trim and hybrid models, 2) lack of flat floor under the rear seats making it difficult/impossible to carry bins or boxes, 3) no good way to get into the rear bed, esp for older people, 4) no tow hooks, 5) fuel mileage isn’t very good when weighed against all the added complexity, 6) turbo repair requires removal of the cab which means extremely high out-of-warranty repair costs. Toyota missed the mark in quite a few areas. My money is going elsewhere this time.
@saisr1
@saisr1 2 года назад
Different use case for me but came to very much the same conclusions. I am still waiting to see if the hybrid is going to move the needle as far as mileage goes but I suspect I'll be buying something else. I want utility from the bed and can't understand why Toyota neglected it so much from a clean sheet design. I know what Mike Sweers said about it but it just doesn't add up. He loves that tailgate button. It's actually too low for most people's elbows so people have to bend over to use it. Wow thanks for that Toyota. I guess the composite bed is nice but since the bed is not very useful as is it isn't really a great offering. Needs more time down points, depth, width, easier access, lighting and for many people a higher power output.
@thinkkops853
@thinkkops853 2 года назад
ALL dealerships pull the cab on ALL pickup trucks to do any engine repairs because it litteraly takes only 30 minutes to pull the cab, you can do it with the cab on, it will just be extremely uncomfortable reaching deep in the engine.
@thinkkops853
@thinkkops853 2 года назад
@@thetechlibrarian A tech with experience absolutely (specificaly a Tacoma with r134a refrigerant) if its one of those newer vehicles with r134yf it may take 50 minutes because those AC machines take a long time to recover.
@radarguyus1
@radarguyus1 2 года назад
@@thinkkops853 Where did you get "30 minutes to pull a cab" from? I can guarantee it is great deal more than that; several hours minimum. All that crap going through the firewall has to be disconnected.
@thinkkops853
@thinkkops853 2 года назад
@@radarguyus1 From personal experience, took me about 55 minutes to pull a cab on a 2007 Tacoma with the 2gr-fe for some frame work. You remove the connectors from the ecu behind the glove box, and a couple on the fuse block, then the whole harness can be dropped without disconnecting every single engine component, 3 brake lines, (2 on the front, and one in the middle towards the cab) the two fuel lines and evap hose in the rear, the shift and brake cables, ac lines, and 2 radiator hoses, and the heater hose, and brake booster hose. My buddy that works at Toyota pulls one in about 35 minutes with some help.
@mrnova70vp
@mrnova70vp 2 года назад
Key points…the turbo isn’t the issue but the turbo has to be replaced……the issue is not a safety concern because the engine reduces power. Yeah tell that to the guy going freeway speed and suddenly experiences a loss of power. This is totally a safety issue
@lh8372
@lh8372 2 года назад
Great video. I’ll stick to a natural aspirated engine! I drive slow + keep vehicles 15-20 years so reliability is more important than fuel savings or speed. If all of the new vehicles being made will have turbos or hybrids then I’ll only buy used vehicles with n/a engines in the future.
@mowgli6345
@mowgli6345 2 года назад
@biblereader It's Toyota. Odds are the thing is gonna be over built and bulletproof. They wouldn't change the tried and true platform if they didn't believe in it.
@rooey2816
@rooey2816 2 года назад
If you drive slow, the turbo isnt a factor anyways. Most dont even spool under 3k rpm. And the wastegate doesnt come into play until over that.
@Pantelifts10
@Pantelifts10 2 года назад
@@rooey2816 almost no truck driver goes slow. Most of them go faster than most vehicles in the road. I see it daily
@rooey2816
@rooey2816 2 года назад
@@Pantelifts10 maybe “drive slow” wasn’t the right wording. I’ve had a Subaru STI with work done and a Honda Civic Si turbo and I could do 80mph staying out of boost. It’s 100% rpm driven. Stay under 3-3500 rpm and the waste gate shouldn’t come into play.
@davidperry4013
@davidperry4013 2 года назад
I like supercharged engines. You get the reliability of an NA engine and still have boost.
@Johnny_Bee
@Johnny_Bee 2 года назад
Removing the cab from a truck with 300 miles for repairs is dramatic to say the least. I saw a post on FB from a Toyota mechanic stating they had 10 trucks at his dealership waiting for new turbos so there is quite a bit more with this problem than we know of. Side note.....why doesnt Toyota put e-fans on those small turbo radiators to aid in cooling?
@SM-lj2ef
@SM-lj2ef 2 года назад
Does any dealer even have 10 trucks yet let alone 10 broken ones.... lol
@dodstylee6352
@dodstylee6352 2 года назад
@@SM-lj2ef I know right. A lot of upset v8 guys is all I hear. I'm trading my 2022limited for a platinum 4x4 the truck is great a little thing I wish were standard but it should in the future models.overall I love it.
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 2 года назад
@@dodstylee6352 Sounds like an exaggeration to me. The 5.7 had numerous more serious issues than the V35a ever had. No dealer has delivered more than 2 or 3 22s.
@IzaguirreC
@IzaguirreC 2 года назад
@@dodstylee6352 you’re trading for 1 trim up on the same model year? Makes no sense.
@blinkguy4ever
@blinkguy4ever 2 года назад
@@user-tb7rn1il3q my local dealership got around 12 this month. Sold them all ;)
@derekbergquist2234
@derekbergquist2234 2 года назад
Great video. Horrible attempt at estimating effect size. He says 10,000 trucks have been produced and only a few have this issue. Of the 10,000 produced Toyota has huge quantities of those on QC hold meaning they haven’t been delivered. No idea how many of those have these issue. Also not all owners report on public forums. So saying it’s so a low percentage of trucks affected was a huge over reach. Only Toyota knows.
@nismomike3182
@nismomike3182 2 года назад
I remember when we were assured this engine would be "bulletproof" because it was used in the LS500 and LX600.
@nismomike3182
@nismomike3182 2 года назад
@@naveenthemachine thanks edited.
@nismomike3182
@nismomike3182 2 года назад
@@naveenthemachine That's not reassuring. Ring gap is incredibly critical on turbo applications. At that point you are in short block territory if you catch it early, and long block + turbos if you catch it late.
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 2 года назад
The engine is generally bulletproof. Even aircraft turbine engines have failures, though it is very rare. Toyota makes very good products, but people are expecting commercial aircraft quality levels for consumer prices.
@stevieray1828
@stevieray1828 2 года назад
@@user-tb7rn1il3q people are expecting Toyota level reliability and are paying higher than normal prices
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 2 года назад
@@stevieray1828 Toyotas sell for competitive prices with all the other large manufacturers. Cars are very inexpensive for what you are getting.
@garykimber7419
@garykimber7419 2 года назад
Toyota - a straight six engine would allow you to add the turbo to the side of the engine. This type of repair would take 3 to 4 hours. An inline six is actually more refined than a V6 with the same displacement.
@cbrcliff
@cbrcliff 2 года назад
1 head, 1 intake, 1 exhaust..Seems like a no brainer...
@98deathmage
@98deathmage 2 года назад
My guess would be packaging is the reason why most manufacturers opt to use V6s. I have heard long engines could interfere with alot of crash safety designs(longer and higher hoods)
@mrh3085
@mrh3085 2 года назад
RAM is rumored to be headed this way along with electrification
@nlken7175
@nlken7175 2 года назад
I am so happy I bought the last 2021 Tundra in Dec. I test drove the new 2022 a few days ago and the only thing better about this truck is the interior. Fuel mileage on the 2022 was almost the same as the 2021.
@m.romaithi6217
@m.romaithi6217 2 года назад
Did someone kick you in the head?
@m.romaithi6217
@m.romaithi6217 2 года назад
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@nathanmorrison1633
@nathanmorrison1633 2 года назад
There’s no way from a simple test drive to get an accurate read on fuel economy. Especially because when you’re test driving, if you’re doing it right, you’re accelerating and braking more aggressively than you would under normal driving conditions.
@davidgald3072
@davidgald3072 2 года назад
2023 Toyota Tundra needs to have a V8, Now we know the cab has to come off to change the turbos which will be the first thing to go on that truck. That will be an expensive repair if you keep your truck Beyond 100 or 150,000 miles. V8 No Turbo
@agentcovert
@agentcovert 2 года назад
Great video..I have a few pictures of a Tundra with its cab body completely off the rolling chassis up on a lift for the mechanics to be able to work on the turbos and exhaust manifold..scary if that happens out off warranty as it looked very expensive to pay for..
@TheCollinburke
@TheCollinburke 2 года назад
Same repair for a Ford Ecoboost 3.5 TT as well. Cab has to be removed. I wasn't aware, but apparently removing a cab for repairs isn't that uncommon for modern trucks. Just way easier to work on. Still troubling if they do it wrong.
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 2 года назад
think of all the connectors that need to be unplugged to remove the cab from frame. Tell me if the tech breaks a retaining clip on one that he will replace that connector or just say screw it and jam it back together and hope for the best. Than you have intermittent electrical issues. Not a warm and cozy feeling.
@agentcovert
@agentcovert 2 года назад
@@Boobtube. No doubt electrical grimlins are hard to chase down..even if the clip doesn't break they have rubber seals on some that even a nick or pinch can cause problems with it..I'm sure they would have a record of what happened early on and perhaps cut the owner some slack hopefully..but at 30days of it being broken it hits lemon law in my state I'm from..making them buy it back..which still its a good deal..it should be a even trade for another Tundra..
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 2 года назад
@@agentcovert Dealers are in business to make money. Service is where they make their money. I highly doubt a dealer will admit any wrong doing from their technician and fix a problem created by a tech, and fix the problem for free. Follo the dollo... GREED
@stevenlefebvre2991
@stevenlefebvre2991 2 года назад
@@Boobtube. I have not had good luck with Toyota mechanics. That is why I try to do all my own work but obviously not a job that big. You won’t see me buying that truck. I will keep my V-8 thank you. A few more dollars in gas maybe but the truck will run forever. And easy to work on.
@ShinobiTekken
@ShinobiTekken 2 года назад
people are already reporting that turbos are failing, it was not rocket science to figure out that the new engine was all for EPA reasons and now reliability will never be the same.
@Theturks1990
@Theturks1990 2 года назад
The hybrid version will only bring further complications as well. Curious to see how the turbos will hold up against dust/dirt for people who drive these trucks on dirt/washboard roads everyday.
@ebkbk9902
@ebkbk9902 2 года назад
Weird because i see 200-300k mile gen 1 prius in the shop almost daily. Mainly getting new hybrid batteries and inverters as for hybrid issues. Itll blow a head gasket first before it has any hybrid issues.
@Theturks1990
@Theturks1990 2 года назад
Prius and the Tundra. Both completely different vehicles.
@ebkbk9902
@ebkbk9902 2 года назад
@@Theturks1990 They use the same part# inverter and battery as the 2022 prius prime bud. Im a toyota technician i see these every day.
@Theturks1990
@Theturks1990 2 года назад
How many Hybrid Tundras have you seen so far in the shop?
@ebkbk9902
@ebkbk9902 2 года назад
@@Theturks1990 Numerous mainly just for simple services.
@mclark2330
@mclark2330 2 года назад
Great update David, as usual your explanation is second to none! Disappointing to hear about these issues, but knowing Toyota’s quality over the last three Tundras I bought I’m certain they will get ahead of this quickly. I was holding out for the Hybrid TRD Pro this spring/summer but I may wait until 2023 just to make sure the bugs are worked out.
@hongsitu3429
@hongsitu3429 2 года назад
Well if the wastegate is part of the turbo, its the turbo thats the issue. If you have to replace the whole turbo its the turbo thats the issue.
@beexiong2995
@beexiong2995 2 года назад
Nobody has seen the turbo outside the engine bay and examined the waste gate. Most new designs have an electronic wastgate that works with a computer to manage the actuator. The truck ecu will detect loss of pressure from the turbo and protect the motor from damage. Most people have no idea how a turbo system works
@hongsitu3429
@hongsitu3429 2 года назад
@@beexiong2995 you are reply to a different question or response. No one is questioning how it works.
@pauls8748
@pauls8748 2 года назад
Excellent video! I learned more in your explanation of the waste gate issue than I’ve been able to gleam from other postings, news stories, and videos! The diagrams were of particular interest and I enjoyed your insights!
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
Thank you - I'm glad that this video was helpful!
@MrDwsmith1982
@MrDwsmith1982 2 года назад
I am a master toyota tech, I can tell you that ALL new, first year models have problems. We always say, wait at least 1 or 2 model years before you buy. If you want the first year, that is what the warranty is for. Also, people are looking for reasons to hate the new turbo engine, that is why this issue has gotten so much attention. The tundra has always gotten the engine from the lexus LS (at least a variant of it) Which has been known as one of the most reliable vehicles ever made for decades. The LS has been using this basic engine for 5 years, most bugs were already worked out years ago. The current generation camry had many issues during the first year or two that I stopped recommending it, as I write this, I realize that it has become a Camry again, most of the issues worked out. Don't think the general public knew about these issues.
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 2 года назад
Both the Lexus LS and Tundras have gone over 1 million miles with proven V8 motors in them! These newer Toyotas Suck Period but they charge you more ! Lol 😂
@mt1885
@mt1885 2 года назад
@@roadglide1142 Show me the 1 MILLION mile cars this is all made up. If they are so 'reliable' then why do people buy new ones? This is the famous line (it will last for a million miles) then they buy a new one. All a myth - heard this a 'million' times before and SHOW us the 'MILLION mile cars' please.
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 2 года назад
@@mt1885 Do a quick search for 1 million mile Lexus LS & Tundras there are several examples of each . It’s well known.
@mt1885
@mt1885 2 года назад
@@roadglide1142 I want to see the 'millions' of them claimed that last. If that was the case why do they buy a new one?
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 2 года назад
@@mt1885 Actually Toyota gave one hot shot trucker a new Tundra free of charge & his truck is sitting on display at the Tundra plant in Texas !
@Full_Deflection
@Full_Deflection 2 года назад
In aircraft and many other turbocharged engines, the wastegate is 1) not integrated into the turbo itself and 2) not attached to an electronic actuator. Most of them use spring pressure. That’s it. Just a spring. At the very least, there should be a backup spring mechanism to leave the vehicle drivable when the electric actuator fails.
@devonp5079
@devonp5079 2 года назад
It’s not the turbo but it’s the turbo and the turbo must be changed. Estimated 10 trucks? Then half are at my dealer
@illuminaughty2929
@illuminaughty2929 2 года назад
The Tundra should have had a V8. Any savings of fuel and greenhouse emissions have been negated by massive repair efforts under warranty. After 3 years and/or 36,000 miles the warranty expires and become massive repair bills
@juddblaney9320
@juddblaney9320 2 года назад
The minor fuel savings is also negated by the nice jump in price
@nintendo.64
@nintendo.64 2 года назад
I would’ve rather had a V8 hybrid than the turBOOOOs.
@saisr1
@saisr1 2 года назад
But then owners will have a reason to talk to all those spam callers about extended warranties.
@Alex___820
@Alex___820 2 года назад
This has me really torn, this type of issue is ridiculous and unacceptable but… is this just the risk you take by being first to get a new generation vehicle? Half the reason the older Tundra and current 4Runner, Tacoma are so great because they are ancient in design and had in some cases over a decade to work through things like this
@smrtguy77777
@smrtguy77777 2 года назад
I’m really not concerned. Out of the 20k already delivered maybe 20 trucks have the issue.
@cbrcliff
@cbrcliff 2 года назад
I just purchased my ancient 2022 4 runner. Couldn't be happier. Hopefully my straight 6 envoy will die someday so i can enjoy my new purchase...
@JAMESWUERTELE
@JAMESWUERTELE 2 года назад
I have 2 newer ancient 4Runners on purpose. 2020, and 2021.
@NattyGymBro
@NattyGymBro 2 года назад
This places things into perspective. Hopefully they get this issue resolved for future productions.
@pireina1
@pireina1 2 года назад
I really hope this is happening to just a few and that this issue gets fix quickly. At the end it is a turbo issue if the turbo needs to be replace. If an engine part is giving you issues can you say is not an engine issue? Please It might not be a problem with the turbo itself, but it is part of the turbo functionality process and the turbo needs to be replaced? 🙄 But he problem is a big problem that should have not happened, this is supposed to be a very, very tested engine. This issues are happening with engine with very, very low mileage. That is indeed very troublesome. I really don’t understand why people are jumping so fast in buying an all new redesign truck in the first year of release, but regardless of that, we should just expect the usual bugs, etc. These are major issues not just little bugs. At the end the consumer should never be afraid of the first redesigns and in this case the new tundra, I expected more from Toyota, they definitely had the time to make this flawless, or at least very very close.
@smrtguy77777
@smrtguy77777 2 года назад
Actually the fact it’s happening so early is a very good thing. That’s because you know it’s a specific defect in the part that caused it to fail. That’s much better than a failure at 50k miles which would indicate a cheap part that’s not designed to last.
@andrewinaustintx
@andrewinaustintx 2 года назад
To already have a waste gate actuator problem raise its head is concerning. The need to separate the body from the frame in order to remedy the issue is alarming. Two Questions: Why wasn't the body and chassis built around this particular engine to insure easier serviceability ? Would you consider this deficiency an engineering failure on part Team Toyota? Put yourself in a future time and date, after the warranty expires. Most independent garages will not be capable of this repair - if the mechanic is forced to raise the body from the chassis to replace the part.
@azphilip1960
@azphilip1960 2 года назад
That's insane!!!
@capt251978
@capt251978 2 года назад
Most any shop with a lift and basic shop tools can remove a cab on a truck. It’s dramatic to see but not that insanely difficult. Also, I’d be willing to bet, Toyota will offer a customer support program regarding this issue. Meaning, they will PROBABLY extend the warranty coverage for this repair. Likely to 10 years or 150k miles. Toyota has been extremely generous in regards of taking care of expensive known issues.
@smrtguy77777
@smrtguy77777 2 года назад
Removing the cab is more common than you think and is not difficult for a qualified mechanic. It allows easy access and more space to work.
@stevieray1828
@stevieray1828 2 года назад
Maybe once the cab is lifted, it's easier for the mechanics to do a good job. I'd rather my truck get a thorough job with cab off/easy access than reaching into engine and fiddling around not being able to see what you're doing.
@domdrty
@domdrty 2 года назад
A poll was conducted in the FB group. It was around 10-12% that responded they had the waste gate issue out of 110 to 130 people that responded. I dont think the percentage is quite that high, but it seems it is definitely a lot higher than what the engineer stated in this video.
@fred23hope68
@fred23hope68 Год назад
10-12% with the problem now, but what happens after it exits warranty in 3 yrs?
@pointbreak8293
@pointbreak8293 2 года назад
So glad I got my 21 tundra 5.7 v8.. thousands of miles and no problems yet… at least I don’t have to worry about turbos and the new v6 engine… Toyota should’ve just left it alone and stop trying to put v6 power in a full size truck. They should’ve built a small inline 6 Cummins in it if they wanted to do a real 6 cylinder. It just sucks that I’ve sworn by Toyota trucks for several years and I’m just not a fan of the 22 tundra and neither are close friends and family as they been hearing and seeing all these v6tt issues. thanks David for all the great info you provide us with….👍👍👍
@MrSkeptical
@MrSkeptical 2 года назад
Add the general complexity of not just one Turbo but TWO and then add in a Hybrid system with Electic Motor... Yikes 🙄 All hail and "Long live the existing Tundra V8's" 👍
@SuperJackster98
@SuperJackster98 2 года назад
I work at the dealer they already have a tsb to call the engineers when you come across this issue which indicates there’s enough out there that causes alarm for a tsb however it’s only for wastegate codes not necessarily immediate turbo assembly replacement so out of all of them maybe very few get turbos
@mt1885
@mt1885 2 года назад
Electric wastegate - a software issue or whatever it is a Maintenance money pit. Diesels are the only 'turbocharged' engines I would buy, every Gas turbo is a disaster.
@wayned3137
@wayned3137 2 года назад
Well, the wastegate is a part of turbocharger. However the control side isn’t. The turbochargers wastegate is electronically control by an actuator in this case that Toyota uses which is very common in all newer turbocharged vehicles. Some brands, the control side isn’t available individually so you have to buy a whole turbocharger because 1 wastegate is mechanically on the turbocharger if wastegate failed mechanically. 2 wastegate control side whether is vacuum control by a solenoid or electronically control by an actuator it depends on how the availability is individually. For example when I used to work for Acura I remember the RDX model you have to buy a whole turbocharger to fix the wastegate problem, because the wastegate control vacuum diaphragm, rod and pivot are not available for purchase individually. But with Audi on most models you can just buy the wastegate control actuator. So if the wastegate itself is mechanically stuck then good luck, at that point you need a turbocharger assembly. Well don’t get me wrong. Anything can be repaired or replaced there’re people who rebuild turbos. Just in this case if you say turbocharger isn’t faulty I can’t agree. because turbo and wastegate work as whole, come build together as whole so they’re one component. Let’s see what Toyota investigation turns out on this turbocharger problem then we’ll have solid evidence. Maybe it’s as simple as just the pivot getting stuck some tap and lubricants fix it or maybe just a bad actuator or a simple flash/coding.
@fj60driver
@fj60driver 2 года назад
The people freaking out about this are hilarious. Toyota isn't GM or Ram. It isnt like they are going to continue to sell a truck with problems like the LS and Hemis with their Camshafts or lifters that fail or exhaust manifold bolts that break all the time, or oil filter housing issues. They will probably send out engineers, have a recall/TSB and slow production until they get the issues resolved. Sure it sucks for first year buyers but every manufacturer is a gamble. However Toyota is still probably a lot less of a gamble as they usually have excellent customer service. The 2007/2008 Tundras had a issue with the front differential being noisy and rear wheel bearings being noisy or camshaft towers leaking, and vacuum pumps failing but they got those issues resolved in the later years and often had a customer satisfaction program the covered many years and miles of service because they knew it was a issue.
@fj60driver
@fj60driver 2 года назад
@@danielmeador1991 GM, Ram, and F150 have problems but never truly address them. GM is in the middle of a class action lawsuit for camshafts in V8 going as far back as 2014 and still occurring in 2021 trucks, they just install the same faulty parts. Most first new model years of trucks have problems. I doubt the 2024 Tundra will have the same problems as the 2022 that's the difference between a good American built Truck like Tundra built with good American Made parts and a "American" built truck like Silverado or Ram with majority of its components built in Mexico or China.
@fj60driver
@fj60driver 2 года назад
@@danielmeador1991 you can't just deactivate the AFM system especially if you live in a area that has emission testing or if it still under warranty. That's a federal offense to remove emissions parts on a vehicle that came equipped with it.
@viperviper5
@viperviper5 2 года назад
You are right about GM. They have had problems with their engine lifters in their Silverado since 2009 and have yet to fix the problem
@MrGmilton
@MrGmilton 2 года назад
Toyota has had class action lawsuits as well for not fixing engines blowing up due to oil sludge at low miles just saying
@fj60driver
@fj60driver 2 года назад
@@MrGmilton they had a recall for that. I replaced some under recall. There were a lot of people that never went in for the recall and not all vehicles were affected. GM on the other hand has had camshaft issues for a lot of years and never had a recall and sellsbthe same parts that are known to fail.
@thetinysideoftiny7625
@thetinysideoftiny7625 2 года назад
Great video. Thank you. Here’s a thought, maybe Toyota needs to give us the non-turbo V8 everyone is asking for. I’m a Toyota guy and own a 1st Gen Tundra. I will never buy the new Tundra as long as it has a turbo. You’ll NEVER see the space shuttle miles of the 1st and 2nd Gen with the 3rd Gen turbo. Not to mention the eye watering repair bill WHEN the turbos pop.
@lowrider0two
@lowrider0two 2 года назад
Well done explaining the great thing you know well Toyota will fix this part. But about the guys that need there trucks for work. Real hard to put a 4x8 piece of plywood in a camary
@DominikKolano
@DominikKolano 2 года назад
I’m one of them, Toyota gave me a Camry 25k$ as a loaner and I have a small construction company, I carry materials everyday, Sheetrock, plywood, lumber etc, I had to rent a truck which is like 600$ a week!!
@randallsguaranteedsold6361
@randallsguaranteedsold6361 2 года назад
Thank you! Kindly keep us updated on all issues, good or bad… very helpful.
@Rod-db8tt
@Rod-db8tt 2 года назад
Awesome video. As a Toyota guy been researching this truck pretty hard to replace 03 Tacoma. I've always been against turbos but the system has been remarkably improved since the 80's. I really don't want to buy anything that's been assembled or sold during Pandemic era, but perhaps leasing may be the way to go?
@rbmoose22
@rbmoose22 2 года назад
Didn't you say previously that Toyota tests their new vehicles for two years vs other Manufactures for only one year of testing ? Scary when owners have issues in just over 300 miles ! Per "Trigger Happy" on You Tube, (Major issues with the new tundra turbos.) Tundra needs a catch can ! I realize every "new" vehicle has issues, but from Toyota, really !
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
I'm surprised by this issue as well, but please keep in mind that everything (including the actual root cause of the problem) is somewhat speculative at this moment.
@ClarkBR549
@ClarkBR549 2 года назад
I knew there’d be problems with the turbos eventually. Maybe not right away but after a few hundred thousand miles they’re probably gonna need some maintenance. The problem I’m having is where Toyota designed this thing to where you have to remove the entire cab to be able to replace them. That is a complete failure on Toyotas engineers and totally bullshit in my opinion. They took a job that should only take a day of work and made it into a week long ordeal. Sure these issues are covered under warranty now but how much is this job gonna cost the consumer when it happens outside of warranty. We all know Toyota service centers aren’t cheap.
@mikeb6386
@mikeb6386 2 года назад
I couldn't have said it better. My thoughts exactly.
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 2 года назад
agreed, to design a truck whereas the cab must be removed from the frame to do turbo work is pathetic. The turbos have to be one of the most prone parts to have problems, and the truth is showing it's ugly head already.
@thinkkops853
@thinkkops853 2 года назад
Lol, Techs do that because it litteraly takes 30 minutes to remove, and some of the people working on the trucks in the dealerships are over 6ft tall, which becomes really difficult and uncomfortable to do any work at all. All work done on pickups at dealerships, I’ve seen they usually pull off the cab.
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 2 года назад
@@thinkkops853 uh, I would think if the cab did not have to be removed to do the job, they would not remove it. They would just put the shorter guys on those jobs. The cab must be removed, the height of the tech has nothing to do with it.
@thinkkops853
@thinkkops853 2 года назад
@@Boobtube. Nope, for example, Toyota and Alldata does not require the tech to pull off the cab on a timing cover reseal for a Tacoma on a 2GR, yet many techs do it either way because the grill is so long its very difficult for some older techs to reach around. Its really not that hard to pull the cab, the longest process of it is recovering out the freon. You must not work on cars very often, or you’re shorter than 6ft because climing in some trucks to do some work requires you to remove the hood because your head is hitting the hood already, not only that but your back is going to go through some tough shit if your going to be bent over reaching deep in ghe engine bay for extended periods of time, when you can just pull the cab and avoid all the bullshit for only 35-40 minutes.
@Jim-bw8jo
@Jim-bw8jo 2 года назад
Great video. I really like the graphics you used throughout the video. Your explanation of how turbos work and the description of the issue was perfect. Thanks for putting out great content like this.
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
You're very welcome and thank you for watching!
@randygonzales7306
@randygonzales7306 2 года назад
Sounds like it's going to be pretty expensive to replace the turbocharger labor wise if the turbochargers eventually go out over a period of time I think I'll stay away from the new tundras for now as I was actually about to purchase one
@tedolsen6251
@tedolsen6251 2 года назад
Thank you David, very helpful. I've put my purchase on hold indefinitely - disappointed. This is too serious of a problem for such a large ~$65K purchase. BTW - I'm a 2016 Tundra and Highlander owner and have been a loyal customer for several years. I would caution Toyota to do a better job with their public relations communication. Critical information is absent imho. 1) We have identified root cause of the defect. 2) We have identified a solution pre and post production. 3) We have identified (pattern) the VINs in the field that will need to be addressed.
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
Thank you! I'm sorry to hear that you had to postpone - but it's totally understandable. Let's see how things develop in the near future to get this resolved.
@tedolsen6251
@tedolsen6251 2 года назад
@@AutomotivePress Reliability and dependability is why my family and I buy the Toyota brand. I'll be watching closely. Thanks again.
@ronaldmercer9616
@ronaldmercer9616 2 года назад
2016 Tundra and Highlander also not a single issue, amazing how a big V6 in an all wheel drive SUV can get 26 mph highway not after anything new now
@ulugbeksaidkariev4231
@ulugbeksaidkariev4231 2 года назад
Hi David! I've been watching all your videos about new Tundra and was very excited about this vehicle. Especially after hearing your opinion as an engineer not to be worry about buying a new redesigned model as far as build quality is concerned. Now it seems to be quite controversial. I was actually planning to test drive a new Tundra this weekend and possibly order one. Needless to say I am much less enthusiastic about it. Still appreciate your insight and knowledge, I hope you will keep providing valuable information regarding Toyota vehicles and new Tundra. Thank you!
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
Thank you for always watching my videos! Yes this one is a controversial one for sure, but until I get a better understanding of exactly what is happening (right now, it's still quite speculative), I will hold my judgement a little longer. I am quite sure that it will get resolved quickly regardless, but let's wait and see how Toyota responds...
@brianhayes187
@brianhayes187 2 года назад
Just hope there’s no problems with mine. I just ordered one in January. Should be here by March.
@JJJ5.7
@JJJ5.7 2 года назад
David, why is this a problem with this engine. I thought I heard the turbo engine in the tundra was the same engine as is used in the Lexus. If true, bugs should have been worked out on the Lexus.
@luyennguyen2010
@luyennguyen2010 2 года назад
Tundra has the same engine as in Lexus but Toyota gets cheaper quality not as in Lexus
@beexiong2995
@beexiong2995 2 года назад
Toyota does not manufacture the turbo or waste gate. It's likely a different unit that was designed to give different power delivery considering it's a heavy truck vs the smaller sedan in the Lexus. The block may have the same stamp but the way its engineered is different
@bigslacker666
@bigslacker666 2 года назад
First year problems, always a good thing to wait on a new model.
@jlaslow
@jlaslow 2 года назад
I'm very curious to know just how many vehicles have this particular problem. If it is 10 or 20 that were made poorly and resulted in this issue, then I'm not as worried about it. If it is 1 in 10, then we have a major problem and I'd definitely put the breaks on buying one until they have this issue resolved. I don't think I would want a truck after finding out that the dealer had pulled the cab off the frame. I think you would call that "rebuilt" and such work should be recorded to the title in my opinion.
@BlahBlahManYeah
@BlahBlahManYeah 2 года назад
It could supply chain issue, defective batch, or probably tolerance set too low for that critical part and it needs to be re-engineered.
@BlahBlahManYeah
@BlahBlahManYeah 2 года назад
If you are afraid of cabin being detached from frame, check few rebuilt videos by vehcor. Though, not all mechanics are like vehcor :)
@brucebaum1458
@brucebaum1458 2 года назад
All I can say as a Sequoia owner with a V-8 naturally aspirated engine I would never consider buying a new unit. It’s not if but when the turbo fails the cab of the vehicle has to be removed. Here in Canada mech rates are $150+ per hour, so David when it fails what is the cost of repair to replace your twin turbo could it be a $20,000 fix when off warranty, so is your 7 yr old Tundra basically scrap iron at that point or parted out from your driveway.
@Weatherby406
@Weatherby406 2 года назад
V8 guys sure are quick to forget about the $4,000 air injection pumps on the 5.7.
@highplainsdrifter9849
@highplainsdrifter9849 2 года назад
I'd pay $4.000 more to get a 1,000,000 miles out of the reliable 5.7 V8 The Turbo engine will never get this kind of milage. It will never last and be as reliable as the V8. FACT
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 2 года назад
@@highplainsdrifter9849 The 4.7 made a million miles not the 5.7. The 5.7 is a somewhat problematic engine. The V6 TT is a better engine, this is just a minor hiccup.
@highplainsdrifter9849
@highplainsdrifter9849 2 года назад
@@user-tb7rn1il3q There are several 5.7 engines with million miles as 4.7 too. Look it up. Blaine Johnsons million mile.
@user-tb7rn1il3q
@user-tb7rn1il3q 2 года назад
@@highplainsdrifter9849 I’ll look it up. There are lots of domestic engines that have it one Million miles. Any any engine can go that distance with a lot of maintenance, repair, and pampering. The 5.7 is probably better than domestic half ton V8s, but it’s nowhere near Toyota’s best engine.
@fnrlegs22
@fnrlegs22 2 года назад
@@user-tb7rn1il3q Yep, the warfare here from 5.7 owners to the TTv6 owners in ridiculous. Many of us have had all incarnations and we know they all have had initial hiccups. This will get sorted. I have a lowly '22 4WD SR in the build line for 2/14, will I change that? Not sure yet, but things will correct with some time. In the meantime I ignore the haters, I've had and still have the truck they own.
@nickgrant42
@nickgrant42 2 года назад
Should’ve kept the 5.7L and fixed the problems that are know to happen with it and use a 10 speed or something to help increase the fuel mileage.
@jonstundralife5897
@jonstundralife5897 2 года назад
The 10 speed wouldnt helpmuch at all. Theyve tried this. The sequoia is the example. This turned out to just be a rumor that I once believed myself.
@jonstundralife5897
@jonstundralife5897 2 года назад
@@callofdutyguy9 they were going for reduced co2 emissions . The v6 is much cleaner than the v8. Pickup Truck and Suv Talk goes over the numbers in his lates mpg video posted yesterday. Personally, i would like to see a hybrid attached to their 4.7 v8 million mile engine, but it wont happen.
@jlficken
@jlficken 2 года назад
But...but I was assured that going to a V6TT from the NA V8 would be a non-issue as they're just as reliable as the NA V8. Huh...I guess I was right in buying my GX 460 now with the V8. More parts == more complication == more problems.
@DBravo29er
@DBravo29er 2 года назад
I bought a GX460 as well. So glad I didn't get suckered into the new Tundra. This issue doesn't bode well for how these trucks will be serviced at 100k/200k/300k miles. YIKES.
@lirui4155
@lirui4155 2 года назад
Hi David, two questions please. One, if you had this issue it would likely be on just one turbo but wouldn't you want to change both turbos when you have the entire truck apart as the other would have the faulty part as well? Second, if this were to happen out of warranty, what do you estimate the repair cost would be for one or two turbos? Thanks, Rick
@randycessna4403
@randycessna4403 2 года назад
Yes,I can't wait to hear what Scott says...like.." If its warranty runs out...hope you've got plenty cash to pay to have that cab removed!! Lmbo!! Yes sir boys...think about that!!" Or hell say something like that.My 2021 just went up 10,000$!!
@joecpaw9994
@joecpaw9994 2 года назад
Thanks for a good explanation of the problem, however your bias is definitely showing. Saying the turbo is not the problem, it's only the wastegate; is like saying the engine isn't the problem if a piston blows. Furthermore, you can't possibly assess the extent of the issue in the production by counting people who complain about it in social media. I understand you are a Toyota enthusiast and really want the new Tundra to be successful but you aren't helping anyone by essentially wishing away or rationalizing major issues. I suspect you are worried about your own purchase. If Toyota doesn't issue a major recall, think of the expense if the turbo fails when your odometer hits 65,000 miles.
@5thgen1
@5thgen1 2 года назад
I think the problem is much bigger than the .01% estimated by David. It would set a lot of people at ease if Toyota would just own up to the issue and be transparent about the cause and fixes they're implementing.
@fredradon2484
@fredradon2484 2 года назад
Great explanation, thanks.
@KrayzKloverz
@KrayzKloverz 2 года назад
Everyone calm down, this is an easy fix! Let's go through the steps: 1. While the cab is off, remove overblown dyson motor. 2. Install The V8 we all wanted in the first place. 3. Put cab back on for the last time and enjoy your new, reliable truck!
@dh2fast4u
@dh2fast4u 2 года назад
I work at the Toyota plant in San Antonio, problem is Solved.
@brianborkowski5117
@brianborkowski5117 2 года назад
The metric you are not considering is the 2022 Tundra owners who are not reporting to the sources you cited. I don't have that data, either, so it is impossible to quantify whether this has only affected a small number of Tundras produced, so far.
@bigdoba317
@bigdoba317 2 года назад
Awesome video and thank you! Tundra owner last 10 years, switched from Dodge and Nissan, I hope Toy gets this right. I hate to see such a loyal crowd of followers get burned.
@rogersmith1643
@rogersmith1643 2 года назад
Great explanation, thanks for the detailed breakdown. The best strategy is to always wait for the second model release of any new vehicle....even a Toyota.
@royalpools1938
@royalpools1938 2 года назад
David We appreciate the info ypu provided. Please keep making informative videos. Like David said. There is no perfection…. on anything may i add. It’s impossible but how they address it makes a difference. Anything that is a new Gen with new tech for that vehicle will have its issues. Phones , TVs, Computer’s…. Vehicles etc etc. Tacoma had some issues in 2016 with the new 3.5l. So some issues are to be expected. Im not minimizing the issue. For me its a big deal. Which is why i didn’t pull the trigger on one. I think same thing will apply to the hybrid engine.
@jessetownsend4073
@jessetownsend4073 2 года назад
How about when you are driving down the the interstate in rush hour and the truck goes in limp mode 20 mph max how is this not a safety issue?
@AutomotivePress
@AutomotivePress 2 года назад
If the problem happens while driving on the highway, you will simply get reduced power from the engine. Engine will not stop working - the truck will move normally until you slow down or come to stop. And then when you try to move again, there will be less power but it will be completely be drivable.
@aaronstestlab
@aaronstestlab 2 года назад
There's just so many unknowns here it's hard to formulate an opinion. Like you mentioned, we have no idea how widespread this is. Are we talking a handful of stories on the internet or are there actually hundreds that just haven't been reported. Also, even in normal times when a dealer could get a replacement part asap, I still don't like the idea of them removing the cab on my brand-new $60K truck. I guess I just wish Toyota would at least put out a statement.
@MrTe3
@MrTe3 2 года назад
I haven't ordered mine yet and now I'm debating of I should order or not, or go with a different company hopefully we can hear something official from Toyota soon. As this is a bit worrisome and if it is an issue down the line where you aren't covered under warranty I'm nervous what the price will be.
@TheJasonVoorhees
@TheJasonVoorhees 2 года назад
2022 f250 🙃
@MrTe3
@MrTe3 2 года назад
@@TheJasonVoorhees lol I was thinking more 2022 f150 tremor
@TheJasonVoorhees
@TheJasonVoorhees 2 года назад
@@MrTe3 I would have factory ordered one but it wasnt available when i factory ordered my 21 last march, got 4K factory bonus too so didnt wanna wait.
@MrTe3
@MrTe3 2 года назад
@@TheJasonVoorhees that's some great deal! I can barely get any deals now that would make me say yes , went to a dealer a couple days ago and their incentives was they would throw in the locking lug nuts 😒 lol it's a 95k Truck in Canada and that's the best deal they would give me , told them I'll pass for now.
@TheJasonVoorhees
@TheJasonVoorhees 2 года назад
@@MrTe3 ya thats way to damn high, i lucked out for sure in Alberta ordering when I did, 6 month wait to get it but still, could be worse
@kenyongillespie8652
@kenyongillespie8652 2 года назад
Old saying “ Never buy the first year” even if it’s a Toyota. I would definitely make Toyota give me 100,000 mile warranty on truck if I had this problem.
@Boobtube.
@Boobtube. 2 года назад
if you had this problem after buying it, your warranty is what it is. Your only choice is to get it fixed and than sell it. Which i feel is what alot of people will end up doing. So in less than a yrs time, the used truck market is going to be flooded with cheap 2022 Tundras that no one wants.. I Pity all these people that paid so much over MSRP for a truck that may be worth nothing in 6 - 9 months.
@dannys7305
@dannys7305 2 года назад
yes toyota will be on it like they were on it for the fuel tank issue on the Rav4s which still have no solution 3 to 4 years in.
@bigswederides
@bigswederides 2 года назад
The North American truck market is a fickle fragile space. This issue on a new truck exposed a couple of big problems. One, quality control. This issue does not align with Toyotas' reputation. Two, the design. To repair a turbo requires lifting the cab off? That is an engineering failure by any standard. Man, I was was so excited about the new Tundra, it's not so much the early design problems, it's more the terrible engineering of the turbo placement that concerns me. I'm not sure I'll wait for Toyota to play with consumers' money and time to fix their issues. Add in the poor rear bumper design, no tow hooks, short windshield....are we sure this isn't a mistake and not a resurgence of the Studabaker. I think Toyota may have made some big mistakes here. I wouldn't touch a 2022 model, whether I wait for '23 or '24 or beyond I don't know, but super disappointed in Toyota.
@triple6758
@triple6758 2 года назад
We're going backwards.
@azphilip1960
@azphilip1960 2 года назад
@@naveenthemachine they should make them easier access to change turbos (without removing the cabs) since they will be problematic in the future!!
@kiamike163
@kiamike163 2 года назад
Did they not adjust the manual dump arms opening length? Meaning it doesn't dump on actuation causing the ecu to trigger overboost? Turbos have both electric actuator + dump arm that opens the flap.. seems to me this could be the problem 😕
@JHuffPhoto
@JHuffPhoto 2 года назад
Please stop saying that it is not a problem with the turbo itself. As you mentioned the turbo, wastegate, actuator are a single unit. Therefore if any part of that system fails then it is in fact an issue with the turbo charger. What you keep saying is kinda like saying well my crankshaft broke but it is not an issue with the engine itself. I am sure Toyota will figure it out and take care of it. Any time you bring a new model to market there will be unexpected issues. I was told directly by a Toyota engineer that if I want a new Tundra I would be best served to wait at least 6 months before doing so. That way they can work out any quality issues. This will leave a bit of a black eye on the Toyota brand but I am certain they will recover.
@bapakbob3897
@bapakbob3897 2 года назад
you had me at......"no matter what the problem, when one piece goes, the whole turbo assembly must be replaced." Maybe do both at the same time to save cab on, cab off - twice, labor costs. OMG, a Toyota truck with Porsche repair costs. Thank you Mr. Toyoda for listening to your American subisdiary employees and kowtowing to the USG CAFE MPG improvement solution to save Toyota money; vice paying the extra $1 CAFE cost at the corporate level and thereby keeping the customers in the most (used to be) reliable trucks in America.
@markpelenytschka8374
@markpelenytschka8374 2 года назад
I'm confident Toyota will take care of this issue right away! After all they're not GM
@twoweeledsoto6072
@twoweeledsoto6072 2 года назад
Really appreciate this explanation. I appreciate it's an actuation problem, but as you point out, it is still a replace the turbo issue. Taking the body off the chassis is not going to make me happy, at all! I'm more interested in the hybrid which is close to coming around now. I wonder if I'll be doubling my chances of problems, by purchasing the hybrid? My comments are more rhetorical than anything. Although I am at a loss of what to do. I'm sure it's more than 3-5 people experiencing this. Going into limp mode is more for the manufacturer than the owner (during warranty period). Thank you very much for your explanation. It was very helpful.
@29madmangaud29
@29madmangaud29 2 года назад
wow, that's why so many people like the good ole' Toyota V-8's. K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid! Not so darned complicated. Sophistication, like the British.
@remkoart
@remkoart 2 года назад
They found a wheel well work around from what I read to access the turbos/waste gates. I’m going to 1 year now before I get my Sequoia TRD pro.
@andyd5492
@andyd5492 2 года назад
Although your video is informative, I feel like you finessing the issue. To correct this problem, the best way to fix it is to remove the cab and replace the whole turbocharger unit. That is a big deal. Ford has had some of the same issues.
@roadglide1142
@roadglide1142 2 года назад
The Bulletproof 5.7 V8 is now laughing & sayin “ Miss Me Yet?” Lol 😂
@little123456788
@little123456788 2 года назад
Just how Trump is now laughing at the current disastrous Potato-head president!!
@roywall8169
@roywall8169 2 года назад
These engines are maintenance bombs. Its not a question of if they will fail, but when they will fail. Toyota made a foolish decision, putting them in their trucks.
@roywall8169
@roywall8169 2 года назад
@@naveenthemachine that is possible, but it is also irrelevant. The reality of situation is that these motors are terrible across every manufacturer in respect to reliability and inevitable maintenance costs. Lab testing is not real world application.
@azphilip1960
@azphilip1960 2 года назад
@@naveenthemachine so true 👍
@RafaelKoike
@RafaelKoike 2 года назад
Great video! My only concern is why the turbo maintenance requires to remove the cabin to access the component. Shouldn't be a design requirement when building this new truck to have easier maintenance to engine components?
@MGMidget73
@MGMidget73 2 года назад
Reference the hybrid model, is Toyota still going to use nicad batteries in lieu of lithium because of the lithium shortage? If so I'd be concerned because of my experience with nicad batteries in tools failing quicker. Also if the turbo waste gates fail outside of warranty I can only.imagine the obscene repair cost to the owner. Having to remove cab from frame. Also is the new Lexus LX600 affected by this issue?
@luyennguyen2010
@luyennguyen2010 2 года назад
Lexus has more quality parts compare to Toyota. Same engine but different supply
@jcr1323
@jcr1323 2 года назад
I'm glad my V8 Tundra is not having that problem. Just another reason to keep it.
@bnukeum7180
@bnukeum7180 2 года назад
Should you buy a 2022? Not, if you purchase a truck for its long term reliability, and low cost serviceability.
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