Vic is the perfect tester for durability , I hope he gets a 2022 Tundra , the fact that he slept in it adds another dimension .. very few truck owners put a truck to the test like Vic. Super interview Tim
This guy is the main reason I had to get a Tundra. The engineering. I feel like if I were to be in his position I would do the same things. I love that the standards are high cause they should be! Also, you can tell Mike authentically cares about creating a high quality long lasting vehicle. I could have gone another 45 mins here.
Well, Stephen Provost was the Senior Engineer of the Second Generation Tundra, not Mike. Mike was in charge to cut 40 percent of the cost, because Toyota thought Stephen over engineered it , and Toyota was bitter it didn’t sell in bigger numbers, and why it took too long to redesign it. Mike himself said this new Tundra wasn’t the direction he wanted, but made the most of the Landcruiser platform, and cut costs to make a new Tundra happen.
I bought my first Tundra from same dealership as the million mile truck..Ive always heard about Toyota getting it back and tearing it apart to learn from it. Glad i can now see it come full circle.
I purchased an 07 SR5 new off the lot. Best 34k I ever spent. It has 282k still runs great. Everything works, nothing is ripped, broken.. I do all my own maintenance.
I have a 03 Dodge Hemi with 270,XXX miles on it oringinal motor, trans. And its been towing a 7k lb. Travel trailer for the last 3 yrs, all across the US. And i do my own maintance on it and i think that's the key,,, we do our own maintance on it. 👍
I can guarantee you the payload of the Tundra is under rated after seeing Vic and what he hauls. To do that for 1 million miles and not have suspension, frame or axle issues...definitely under rated.
My 2010 Tundra developed bed rot the started from below the bed. I assume the sealant was squished from between the bed and frame. Up here in New England we use a lot of road salt. Add the wet road salt to a new cavity now for it to fester and there you go.
@@eriknash8783to be fair the issues with the engine today are more the fault of manufacturing defects as opposed to how the truck was designed and engineered, which still holds true to what they are saying in the video
Was reading posts on a 2022 Tundra forum recently, and a high-level Toyota Master Diagnostic Technician (of 30 years) said this new Tundra has him worried about the truck's marginal quality. He also stated that he talks to a lot of the "higher-ups" at Toyota, including Field Technical Specialists and Engineers, and there is a lot of talk within Toyota's inner-circle about problems with the '22 Tundra.
I just bought a 2018. When at the dealership they kept trying to push me into a new one. I told the sales manager, “Y’all haven’t figured that engine out, yet.” And he(the sales manager of a large DFW Toyota dealership) responded with, “I won’t argue with you there.” I couldn’t believe it. No one at Toyota likes the new Tundra, especially the engine.
Thanks Tim for doing this type of video. To the marketing team at Toyota, we need this type of information and comparisons to make our buying decisions. Wether it’s in advertisements or YT videos I would like to see more of the reasons to choose this new Tundra. Thanks again for getting with Mike on this.
Always great the hear Engineer Mike talk about 3rd gen upgrades. Makes me appreciate my 2022 a bit more as I’m coming from 2000 Tacoma to 2022 Tundra, never had the 2nd gen V8
When Toyota bought Vic's Tundra they gave him another one this time with the 5.7 V8, and I saw on another video he's already up to 750,000 miles and going for a million again. Toyota's aren't perfect but dam they are impressive.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Thanks Tim I would love to see that video and please have him elaborate on OCI, transmission intervals, Diff and transfer case intervals & type of driving ...(was it mostly towing/payload carrying etc...) & How much Idling he did in the vehicle.
Especially when you compare it to Ram. I have 2 friends amd a coworker who had Rams and on all 3 of them the drivers seat side bolster was destroyed and down to the metal! Not sure how the new rams seats hold up but this was back in 2017 and two of the trucks were about 3-4 years old. The other was a little newer and this was in 2019.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix RAM has the highest quality interiors in their upper trims on the market. That to me is where their standard begins and ends because every other part of the truck falls apart as it goes past 100k. The 5.7 is pretty tough although it hasn't been updated in a while. Their top end interiors are best in class. Do they hold up? 🤷🏽♂️ Idk
Toyota has first rate suppliers who have been constantly improving themselves with Toyota biting at their heels for years...that's how you put out a quality product. I have a 2005 Camry with leather seats, not a single rip or tear and its padded and firm. Best seats.
FWIW... these are the interviews that I can sit and listen to for hours. Maybe some footage of the material testing & failure analysis if it's not too proprietary. Instills confidence in owners when they're out there about to do something "semi-sketchy".👍
You have to respect the customer appreciation and positive feedback loop that Toyota learns from. Hopefully the new generation can get to that 7th digit💪
Great video, Tim! I always enjoy these Mike Sweers episodes. Heck, any lead engineer on your channel is always informative. It's nice to know where they're coming from when designing a truck. Vic is about to have another million mile Tundra. Probably sometime this year. I saw his odometer on another channel. My goodness, that guy can put on the miles!!!
This is the reason why I purchased a 2021 Toyota Tundra TRD PRO and was lucky enough to get it in Lunar color, before they discontinued the V8. Really love it and hope to keep it for the rest of my life, I’m only 35 years old, I bet it can out last me!!!.
hat is a nice truck but honestly it is going to cost you tens of thousands of dollars in fuel. I had a 2020 and loved it but I was getting 11-12 mpg around town. I love V8's but the cost to drive them is getting insane.
One of the trucks I own is a 2007 DC 4.7 engine with bench seat with 250k miles. I agree the seats are still iin good condition the only things that have failed is some door behind the dash that allows air to go from vents to defrost and the alternator at 200k miles. The most trouble free vehicle I have ever had
Those are great models. I had a 2001 that I wish I never parted with. Only problem I had was the breather valve on the rear differential. I needed to replace it because I drove through shallow rivers and streams while trout fishing and the water level would reach it. Only a $7 part.
Love this video! I’m a women who grew up with a mechanic brother. He raced and I was his pit crew. I built a classic show truck of my own . I totally understand everything he is talking about. The quality of his engineering makes me feel confident in my purchases from Toyota. I loved my composite bed in my 2007 Tacoma and I abused it with garden materials car parts etc. Only drawback it is slick as snot. A bed pad solved that. I sold my Tacoma in 2020 with a 140k miles on it with only a front wheel baring replaced. I now own a 2020 Tundra and will most likely wait a couple years and get the new model. Although I love my 2020.
Great overview of the upgrades and lesson's learned from the 1M mile truck. It says a lot about Toyota that they took immediate advantage of extreme real life testing to develop their product. I'm in the market for a new truck so I'll be visiting my Toyota dealer, for sure.
They did not use the million mile truck to design the new truck. It was strictly a marketing tool to make you think that they are breaking new ground with this new truck. New designs are done to drive cost out of the truck not give you something that last forever. They make money on renewal business.
Thanks Tim for the video, lets not forget, that these million miles Tundras were designed and lunched by the engineers before mike Sweers. Mike did not do anything to improve the Tundra, which was 2008 Motor Trend truck of the year. In fact, he removed practical and functional features, like grab handle, transmission cooler, etc. Funny that he mention "torque is king", and developed the Tacoma 3rd gen. that is gutless.
Your response is perfect. Mike Sweers was a Chrysler Engineer and has destroyed Toyota truck quality. The Redesigns are done to lower their cost and increase yours over time. Glad that their is another educated viewer.
Too reliable goes against the numbers. Disposable vehicles are what they are aiming for. Obviously they would be made of cardboard by then. Wait. 70 s cars rusted and cardboard was still used up till the 90s. They know how and what to make cheap for it to last at least 5 years and FEEL good to touch. They been putting weights in door handles for over 20 years
@@ICU81269 Thank you, and for the ones that don't know. Yuichiro Obu was the chief engineer for 2007 Tundra. In July 2010, Sweers became the chief engineer for the Toyota Tundra followed by chief engineer of the Toyota Tacoma in April 2012.
Wouldn't call it gutless, but anyone like Vic will never get that durability again. Pulling heavy will heat those turbos and substantially reduce longevity. Bed is 2" shorter, less volume less weight. Every manufacturer is doing similar shenanigans
My experience is a little different mostly with the front seat. 2010 Tundra 4.6 extracab ⁶speed with tow-hall has been with me since 2008 (cash for clunkers cleared out 09 stock, only thing left was the next year's models). Besides the wheel wells my truck bed has seen more damage. And I drive it hard, really hard the first 5 years 40,000 miles a year with lots of cubicle furniture loads or tools and some towing. With what I just saw, engineers didn't take into account the lower bed section reinforcement. I push pallets till the truck bed stops it. I have had (7 HM Ethospace larger wall mount work stations with ² drawer lateral files and peds) 4- dbl stacked 42"d × 48"w loaded pallets and like a 60" wide pallet on the tailgate and that last pallet was hanging off the edge. So the bottom of bed front is bent towards the body. Now with heavy loads I can hear a slight tapping of the bed hitting the cab. I couldn't sleep in the driver side, I had to use passenger side. My driver seat has the same tear most get, left side lower seat, was the same in my T-100 that had 642,000ish miles. Truck is great, the edge of the seat not so much, So needs improvement there for me. Otherwise super dependable and tows great. Even overweight 🤫. I still drive it all the time. It's my everyday work, tow, and play truck. I wish I would have got 4×4, only regret. Was out of my price range.
Well done and thank you Tim and Mike! Best video to-date on the 22 Tundra mechanical specs, materials, etc. and the lessons learned that have been applied from previous generations. I and maybe other subscribers here would love to see a similar report out on the TECHNOLOGY changes applied to this gen truck from lessons learned? What or how have new technology changes been applied to make the Tundra an improved and better truck? Thanks again!
I purchased a 2016 SR5 4x4 in 2018. Paid it off last year. Has 139k on it. Never an issue. I drive to Colorado every year from South Florida and take it Elk Hunting on some very hard Jeep trails. I added Bilstein shocks, 4" lift, custom bumpers, a W 8:12 8:15 arn 12K lb winch and 35" tires to it. I have changed fluids on schedule and use the best available. It will last through retirement.
I absolutely love the content this channel gets from toyota! Much appreciated. If I could make a request.... can you be the first channel to do a more in depth explanation of the differences between the 2022 sr trim and the sr5 trim? Is there any mechanical differences other than active aero in the grill and lower front splitter ? I would assume the efi tune/power decrease is just to compensate for lack of fancy aero tricks for mpg?
This is FANTASTIC! I always love hearing from Mike Sweers, but to really hear how they decided on different components to put into this new Tundra is VERY informative. Very glad i ordered one!
The fact that Toyota acknowledged its own design failures in the past tundra and corrected it for future tundras says so much about them as a brand. No other vehicle manufacture would ever do that, so much respect for Toyota after this video.
As a former skilled trades contractor who spent time in various domestic plants throughout Michigan, General Motors specifically, I strictly forbid my family from EVER driving ANY domestic vehicle ! If it’s not engineered in 🇯🇵 Japan it will not sit in my garage !
@@johnberry2877 lol my parents drove GM and Chrysler all my life and had nothing but problems. I think I was 14 when I told them to get a toyota, they have never looked back
There's 5.7 Tundras with million miles as well. 2nd gen are very reliable. Look at Blaine Johnsons million mile 5.7 Tundra. Toyota please put front end of Sequoia on the Tundra. Looks way better.
Interesting. I currently own a 1st gen 4.7 V8. I had no doubt the 5.7 would be just as reliable. My next Tundra ( not for a long while) will be 2nd gen. Unless Uncle Joe and the EPA gouge them out of existence lol.
It would be cool to have Mike S. team up with the overland community on the impacts of mods on the design, and how the aftermarket can be optimized. Plus it gives Toyota a research lab for their own version. Perhaps they already do this today
It’s crazy Toyota doesn’t make a commercial about this. Instead they just show a truck driving through the dirt. This would actually sell someone more than “let’s go places”.
GREAT video Tim! Mike is so amazing and I hope to meet and hopefully wheel w/ him one day, heard he's a blast. Anyways, when he started talking about the mileage limitation of a "certain" Toyota, I knew exactly what he was talking about lol. My customer was trading their 2nd Gen Prius in for a 2013, back in 2013 and when I went to get the miles on the old Prius, I was like...couldn't you have just driven it around out front until you hit 300k? Hahaha, they said it just stopped there a few years ago lol. So it showed 299,999. I have a picture of it in my High Mileage Album.
Part of me is convinced that trucks respond well to being worked hard for extended periods of time doing things like towing. The high mileage hot shot trucks all have regular oil changes in common though.
@@Otownbassin It had to be pretty good amount of idling as he's a big guy and its hot in Louisiana in the summer months. Some engines can handle idling pretty well but to some prolonged idling is a death knell. IE the new Ram 5.7 Hemi.
@@1gr8oil I was Ohio State Highway patrol and if Utah is like Ohio they don't keep those cars over 90k. Many of the issues are happening after the 100K mark but some before. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-inPUz3pCHa0.html
interesting, but i'm really interested in seeing the engine breakdown, what the internals looked like, wear on the rings, pistons, valves, etc....great video
lol the 2022 Tundra the "last truck purchase of your life"?? Good luck with that Jim- it's only a matter of time before your truck starts having problems. Trust me.
I own a 2003 SR5 Tundra 3.4 liter 325,654 miles and going strong i drive her 115 miles a day pulling my utility trailer a trio from Daytona Beach Florida to Salem West Virginia every 3 weeks.
Rumor has it Toyota took the million mile Tundra apart to make damn sure they didn't make that mistake again. BTW - Joking, love Toyota and Lexus, own one of each and am leaning towards a Tundra Hybrid as my next vehicle.
Would be nice to see all the components of the outgoing tundra next to the new one. The advertisements and videos on the old tundra were all about how tough and overbuilt it was. The new tundra commercials are about driving the truck next to dirt bikes and towing light weight sxs trailers and doing other things a Subaru Outback shows their vehicles doing. It’s just not being advertised for work.
Not a fan of some of the design elements of the new Tundra, but it’s hard not to want one listening to Mike. Most informed down to earth engineer Ive seen by far.
That is really a normal sight here in Israel. Not tundra but hiluxes that are over 20 years old, have dents on every panel, including the roof still roll around like nothing.
He was about to say F-350...I wish there was a way to compare next to all brands. Line them up chevy, ford, Nissan, ext. And show up what they do vs toyota. I'm sure would be a huge eye opener either way.
They probably do have those parts, but Toyota is not going to be the company that puts on a display like that. And they are clearly using ford because it’s the market leader.
I’ll save you the trouble. My friend is a mechanical engineer at Toyota and tears apart competitor cars all the time. Ford is without a doubt the cheapest manufacturer that is always looking to save money. My friend said the things they put in their Ford trucks isn’t up to our standard in Toyota trucks. GM he says is much better built than Ford, and Honda is the closest to them. Nissan is okay.
The truck needs front tow hooks, a back bumper to give you something to step on to get in easier, better interior lighting, auto 4x4, a better looking front end, better gas mileage and a flex fuel option. The lower versions should have the same horse power and torque as the more expensive models
@badbill exactly why I’m getting the 2022 Ram 1500 eco diesel. Plus I test drove the Ram and it’s Way better in every category than the Tundra! It was like I was in my Lexus when I drove the Ram.
Omg, I feel blind in my 2017 tundra at night, and that is after an interior lights upgrade ExtraBright Led kit.. Never ever had I had that problem in ANY vehicle I have owned. I don't get it.
@@cwqrpportable Well for value in Canada it is. The competitors jacked all their prices. And most of the components minus the frame look like they are for a 3/4 ton. Just look at the brakes next time you see one for example.
Tim curious on your thoughts after your experience with the 22 Tundra? The fact that this front seat was made such a bid deal of given its overall great condition after a million miles I find it ironic the issues you had with your seat after less then a year of ownership. Do you think this is something Toyota will address given the fact of all the issues I'm seeing with the plastic trim piece breaking/coming off like yours did. Also no matter of anyone’s opinion of Toyota I believe most will agree Mike is the most honest and transparent lead engineer who is willing to actually talk to people compared to any other truck manufacturer.
This video made me realize now that i need to take everything these engineers say with a grain of salt. When this video came out, i was thinking, wow, this new Tundra seem great in every way. Watching it two years later, it shows you all the cost cutting they did, they haven’t even fixed the seat side trim cracking, 3 years after release. They just recalled ~100k Tundras because of metal shavings in the engine. If you own a new Tundra that is less than 3 years old and have less than 36k miles, i highly suggest you add the Toyota extended warranty if you plan on keeping this car for a long time.
I think the new drivetrain needs at least 3 years to be proven out before I'd ever consider it. For now I'll stick with my 2018 v8 Tundra. I do think I'll be leaning towards the hybrid drivetrain for my next truck.
Same, look at the changes Ford made to the Ecoboost over that period of time. Moved vacuum pumps because of corrosion, added port injection, electronic waste gate cycling. All from lessons learned over time. It's the very reason why I bought a 21
ok, about the ballistic nylon, I get that it's strong and it bounces back, but how well does it resist deformation in the first place, as in how stiff is it for off-road use? Thick steel is nice to the degree that you can rest or bash the truck on a rock to a degree and not worry that it's bent and hit whatever's behind it. Ballistic nylon in a bulletproof vest prevents penetration, but you'll still get broken ribs and significant bruising without any plates behind it.
I'd like more info on this material. From my experience, ballistic nylon is a woven fabric style material that flexes, conforms to different shapes easily and is elastic and able to absorb energy (hence the name). The underbody protection there looks very rigid. Is it a true ballistic nylon fabric? Or is it just a name from a similar company who makes actual ballistic nylon?
Those early 2nd gen seats felt/looked much more superior versus the seat material they used after the 2014 refresh. I wish Toyota still offered a sporty cloth/mesh option like the early 2nd gens had. My 2016 work Tundra has 200k and is already torn where the driver slides out.
I love this truck and love the ideas. I really do. But comming from a 2011 f150 3.5 ecoboost owner, turbos just cannot, and will not last forever. I had no issues with the motor that 3.5l is an absolute monster. It was the turbos. Having a background of building small 4cyl. Turbo powered cars, turbos do NOT last forever. Its great that they're making all these body improvements. I dont know of any manufacturer that guarantees a turbocharger for a million miles. I just don't.
I hope Toyota uses the feedback from 2022s to deal with some of the issues they are currently having. Crappy turning radius, worst in class, squeaky interior plastics, subscription navigation all need to be corrected.
Great content thanks for taking the time with Mike. I could listen to him for hours. He is truly passionate about the truck and it’s quality and long term durability. I got a 21 as I was a little skeptical of the 22 being so new. I will upgrade to the new gen once all the bugs are ironed out and I know it will still carry the reliability that Tundra is known for.
The problem with having the u joint as the weak link is that if loaded beyond its torque limit the violent shock created by the u joint breaking deforms the driveshaft and ruins it completely. I prefer to have the tube deform. Driveshaft tubes are cheap at a driveshaft shop.
The vehicle that stopped at 299,999 is the 07 Corolla, mines at 325,000 (runs like new still) and it’s still says 299,999. I only know it’s over because I keep track with my trip meter.
Just ordered a new 22 Tundra yesterday, tired of GM and their bullcrap. Only thing I'm not happy about is the wait to get it, July to as late as Sept to get it.
@@watchmanexpert it’s been a year and still waiting for my tundra They called in late September and said I’d be getting a 2023 but still no sign of it as of April 2023
@@patrickc8190 wow 😯 … did u had GMC sierra before? U got problem with GM ? Sorry many questions I have Nissan Titan and want buy new truck but can’t decide between Tundra , sierra and Silverado
@@watchmanexpert well my last sierra had engine problems that started when it had 200,000km and transmission went at 230,000 A buddy ordered the new tundra 6-7 weeks ahead of mine He got his in late August and I still haven’t gotten mine I’m probably going to buy a sierra soon if I don’t get my tundra very soon.
The things you don't see are the things that makes a Toyota a Toyota. Quality,Dependability,Reliability Low Depreciation, High Resale. Love my Yotas!! They'll always have a place to call home.😄
The 299,999 odometer cars they aren't disclosing are the Prius, Matrix, and Corolla. Hand jotting mileage from 300k onward isn't daunting considering that's the only work you'll ever have to do. On the bright side when your insurance goes to verify mileage you put zero miles on every year and get a heck of a discount.
Let’s see the frame from a Northern Toyota Tundra. Mine was sprayed to save the frame as part of the class action law suit and now it looks just as bad. Descaling didn’t happen in my opinion and the rust chunks are coming off again. The engine will certainly go but the rest will rust apart. Good video.
Are there any updates on durability since they first introduced the Tundra? Many of us who are current owners of Tundras, 2nd gen are anxiously awaiting to see how the first two model years have gone.
Would love to see one of these video's on the current Tacoma. My axle seals failed around 210K on my 07 Tacoma and that was very expensive. Hoping my 21 Tacoma makes 300K with the rear axle seals.
Imagine how soon that would've happened on one of the "other three"? I have a GM Colorado that needed 3 A-arms in the 1st 2 years and a transmission that went out at 38k miles luckily GM did a P-50, (where I "only" had to pay for 50% of the new one).
I have a 2011 5.7 Tundra Limited Edition with 200k miles. Besides regular maintenance, I have had zero issues with my truck….By far the most overly engineered, reliable vehicle I have ever owned. My goal is to also obtain that 1 million mile mark. Toyota Tough!!
Curious why you didn't ask Mike about the No. 1 concern that '22 owners have with this truck - the wastegate actuator issue affecting the Turbo and requiring replacement. Separate video?
really nice insight on the why behind the new truck and i hope we get so see more of this soon as it pertains to engine/trans/dif/ suspension and to answer the question im sure everyone wants to know. WHY in the hell would you design a rear bumper the way they did?
@@Pickuptrucktalk glad I'm not the only one. If I get the TRD pro I was thinking if that valence under the tail light could be removed and just make a wrap around tube bumper. However, seeing the bed in the back ground it looks like there's also body work of some kind behind that panel
@@AKn4lf I've looked at it on other videos and it is one piece of sheetmetal. You'd have to cut the sheetmetal, then make your own bumper unless the aftermarket comes up with a different solution.
@@Pickuptrucktalk while I have you're attention amd you own a 3rd gen. Is the lane departure able to be turned off? And is it a constant off or stored in memory? Same with the auto start stop or do you have to make that change every time you turn the truck on? Not sure if you've taken yourself off road yet or not but I would be curious at how well the off road settings actually work. I've spent time in a trail hawk renegade and really like some of the abilities but found I had to fight them in other settings to get the jeep to do what I wanted. Thanks your your info and time.
@@AKn4lf Lane departure AND lane centering can be turned off and they stay off. I don't really pay much attention to Auto Start/Stop honestly because you really have to push on the brake pedal to activate it. There is a button to turn it off, but I've never cycled the truck (on and then off) to see if it stays off. I've only engaged it about 3 times and each time I had to do it on purpose with really smashing the brake pedal to see if it worked. I've gone off-road and it works well with the one big change that crawl control is nearly silent now. It is quite an improvement. There is no way to turn off the parking sensors, but it isn't that big of a deal. You just hit the "ok" button and it mutes them, so they never chime and you basically forget about them. The cameras all work well and especially well off-road like most modern trucks these days. Honestly, I tend to 4 wheel in 4 LO most times. 4 LO gives me max torque and turns off all the safety systems. And no, there is no max speed with 4 LO just have to watch the engine RPMs.
anyway you can engineer something to empty/clean the back of the bed out over the transition of the tail ? This would be a monumental thing in my option.....
I really wanted to see in the motor a million miles on a gasoline engine is ridiculous yes a good synthetic like Amsoil or Mobil 1 helps but Toyota's already pretty dang reliable really really really wanted to see in that motor
Purchased my 2k Tundra. Drove it for 400k miles till 4 months ago. Some dumbass pull out in front of me and truck was totaled. Will definitely look for another Tundra.
Did you get a chance to ask Mike how come he did not put shed handles in the truck we need them I wish you can give me an answer thanks for everything you do I love your show
