Engineer's Lost Buildings - TF2's Lost Content #2 

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On the next TF2 cut content: The cut dev team.

As an engineer main, i am upset by the fact that I don't have a teeny tiny dispenser to go with my teeny tiny sentry gun.

Really wish Valve hired community members to add stuff into the game every month or so kinda like CS:GO...

with the right skin, the catapult could fit right into Medieval mode

Heavy being used in the sponsor made it 10x better

I always felt like the mini dispenser would have been an amazing addition, being able to have 2 separate dispensers to supply your team at different locations would be powerful as hell

What a way to celebrate my birthday with buildings that not even our Engineer can fix or build. Hopefully if the Spy vs Engineer Update does happen in the near future, we’ll get weapons like this to spice up Engineer’s gameplay!

The comically small dispenser

I recall on a VSH server that there was a building called "the amplifier" that would give mini crits to players near instead of having a dispencer, that could be cool to add in MvM

Imagine having a dispenser and a mini dispenser on nvm, little dispenser for everyone and the big one to keep your metal up

I wanna play around with the catapult so bad, hurling myself into a crowd of enemies with a Widowmaker in hand sounds like it'd be a lotta fun

Just by the name "recon", I would guess it would be a building that would show you where enemies on the other team are within its radius. Upgrading it would increase this range.

I remember that during the June 11, 2014 Patch, dispensers cost 70 metal when using the gunslinger. This was reverted the same day and was an undocumented change. I had always wondered if this was an experiment with implementing the mini dispenser whose code leaked out into an official update. It would make sense given that 70 metal would allow you to build a normal sentry and a dispenser with a full metal reserve. And given that the mini dispenser was actually being fiddled with behind the scenes makes me suspect this even more. Such a shame we never got the spy vs. engineer update.

I generally don’t feel so strongly when observing cut content, but I am genuinely happy the repair node was cut. I cannot imagine how much more grindy and choked up maps could get with the addition of an item that incentivizes turtling.

The speed pad sounds neat ngl, useful when you just don't have time to build Tele exit and the frontline is near.

Mini Dispensers should have happened. There's no reason they shouldn't have. I'm so disappointed. The Building Repair Node should be balance-able. All it does is repair buildings. If 2 engineers can sit next to a level 3 Sentry 1 whacking away at it non-stop, while the other wrangles it, and that isn't OP, then I really don't see how this thing can be as OP as it was made out to be. Here's my thoughts on how it could work. It replaces the Dispenser. It can't dispense metal to any player. The Repair Node, can hold 300 ammo. Every 4 seconds (or if it is fully filled with metal, then every time it is hit with a wrench) it releases a wave costing 20 metal that will heal/fill any building caught in that wave for the equivalent of 25 metal worth of health and ammo. The wave heals/fills for less the farther away from it is from the affected building, and the effect is lowered by 20% for buildings that aren't your's. So if they were immediately next to it, they would be fully affected, but every 20 hammer units or so it lowers by 5 metal. The advantage is that it can heal multiple buildings, it can do it from a range, and you don't have to be there to do it, so you can go BattleEngie, but it will not be as effectively as it would if you just hit that building yourself. You can keep a sentry filled with ammo without needing to be right next to it, but it won't be healed, or filled any faster than if the engineer where directly hitting it themselves.

The 'second bananna' btw is a reference to vaudevillian speech, pertaining to a 'top bananna' (the funny man) and the 'second' and sometimes third and fourth etc. 'Banana' (the joke setup man, the 'straight man'), and in this case the heavy was a side note in the pyro update. The joke is also that it's a literal banana

This is almost sad to watch. I've always wanted to see different PDA's, dispensers, teleporters, sentries, and other kinds of bulidings. Sure we got the gunslinger, but what about the ability to build 2 sentries? Or even 2 teleporters at the cost of another building slot? Hell, what about decoy buildings? Then again, "I have no idea" what it is like to work these ideas into the game.

that feel when the tf2 content is most successful but also no new content is coming for the foreseeable future

Well, he does talk about these cut concepts every year, guess it was about time

I wish the Medic and Engie had more weapons to use. They have such important roles but it feels like Valve forgets about them.

You should talk about the cut Meteor event in the source code. There's references to a large meteor that transitions from the skybox into the actual map, crashing into the ground.

2:10 him talking, me for no reason 👌

Really love the music in the video. For those curious to what they are: HOME - Mozzarella Sticks HOME - C.Y.M.K. outro: some edit of HOME's High Five Not sure about first 2

how to balance repair node: make it function like an engineer with a rescue ranger that slowly regens metal, freeing you up to not turtle but making you depend on metal packs, health kits and medics

Imagine if the speed pad had been actually implemented: *Scoutnic Adventure. Coming soon to a TF2ware server near you!*

I did get the TF2 source code when it was leaked. There was programming for the catapult in there.

5:34 a good idea would have been to require the engineer to manually refuel the repair node. so eventually the nest will be destroyed

according to sourcemod and the TF2 code leak, there was a unused tf_weapon string added to the game around the same time as the engineer update. This string was called "TF_WEAPON_DISPENSER_GUN," and it shows up right after "TF_WEAPON_LASER_POINTER" (the wrangler), so it was most likely a scrapped engineer concept; likely scrapped very early on since it never made it to the TF2 beta like the also scrapped "Repair Node" did. Based on it's name, this weapon was most likely intended to replace one of engineer's weapon slots and would either fire mini-dispensers or it functioned as a hand-held dispenser. Someone actually approached me about it on the steam workshop because I had made an engineer weapon model that was a "dispenser gun."

A great place to put potentially game-breaking things is Mann vs Machine, just make them upgrades and figure out the credit cost accordingly.

Can't wait for uncle dane to tweet salty things about this video

It would be cool if the repair node got recycled and put into Mann vs. Machine in some way

I like how it goes from alot of screen caps of the building, to a few, to one, to a model, to a un textured model, to a pic of code. XD

Its kinda like Karma Charger has make a video of the mini dispenser

Thank you for reminding me of my past hype for this update

I think the repair node could be balanced by making buildings immoveable, and/or repair node has a burst every few seconds that repairs the buildings the burst disables the building (like with the cow mangler) while its being repaired maybe add some effect or sound to make it noticeable

I know how to nerf the repair node. Here's my idea. 1: This only applies to your buildings, making it impossible for a bunch of engineers together spamming it in a nest. 2: You can choose which mode to put the node on. The modes are as following: Ammo (Stage 1 of repair gives 2.5% of ammo per 4 seconds, Stage 2 gives 5% per 5 seconds, Stage 3 gives 7.5 per 5 seconds.), Healing (functions as a mini dispenser, but nerfed further. 5 health per second for stage 1, 7.5 for stage 2, 9 for stage 3. Can give 1% uber per 10 seconds as an add-on.), and Damage (This applies an AOE attack per 3 seconds which reaches about the range of the healing, which is relatively small. This AOE does 5 for stage 1, 6 for stage 2, and 7 for stage 3. This does not affect cloaked spies, cannot hit through walls.). As a passive this can repair all buildings if there is a mini dispenser or dispenser nearby. This can be anyone's dispenser, however if it is someone elses it works only 30% as efficiently. It takes metal straight from the dispenser, divides it by 1.5, and then starts upgrading. It can not passively just repair things. It also can not heal these buildings, only upgrade. This is to prevent an easy auto upgrade system. The sapper (all sappers except red tape recorder) does 35% more damage to this building to balance it out. It also cannot heal the engineer who made this. It can not be picked up and can only be stuck to a wall. Let me know if you have any other ideas on this, nerfs, buffs, etc. I tried putting thought into this and tried using Valves style of things. Thanks.

Catapults sound so hilarious, imagine a heavy descending upon you from the sky, falling into you like a wrecking ball.

I’ve had an idea for years for an engie secondary that would implement a mini-dispenser that could be picked up and worn as a backpack, while also replacing the pistol with a medium ammo box launcher that uses 100 metal per box. That speed pad also sounds exactly like one of my ideas, except the duration boost per level was 5-10-15 seconds. The speed pad would replace the tele entrance, while the exit would get replaced with a speed boost _emitter,_ which would indefinitely boost all allies within a fixed area, with the size of the area increasing per level. The Eureka Effect, instead of teleporting you, would have an on-demand self speed boost ability with a cooldown, but the “taunt” animation would be gone. These speed boosters would be equipped with a new PDA I nicknamed the “Tac-Pac” (Tactical Pack).

Being able to place 2 speed pads would be so good. Probably balanced too! Would even work great where a teleporter would normally not be as good, due to the short distance to the front line.

i gotta say i remember seeing both the mini dispenser and handy partner back when they came out on the workshop and always wanted them, it still makes me sad we were this close to getting them

these would be WAY more fun than the "pew pew, to bang bang, to boom bang boom bang." "mini resupply" and "thing goes in, thing goes out" that we have at the moment.

I so much fucking like that "according to well-known resources we currently have". Like - "okay, it's been a long time since my leak, and now I can share my private knowledge to everyone without any hesistations".

easy way to balance the repair node: Don't let it function while the engineer is within a certain range. If he's that close he can fix the building himself, anyway.

The Mini-Dispenser would be an invaluable part of a Forward Operating Base on offense. Such a base would invole a Mini-Sentry, a Mini-Dispenser, and a Teleporter. This FOB could enable a second Engineer to then set up a more robust base with a Level 3 Sentry and Dispenser.

I like how they're worried about almost invulnerable sentries from the repair node, yet they have left the wrangler as is for all these years.

Had an idea for a Sentry that lobs bombs

Repair node Repairs nearby buildings so you dont have to -Replaces Dispenser -Affected sentries fire 50% slower -Affected teleporters charge 25% slower

Unrelated, but your voice doesnt get quickly annoying, giving me something to listen to in the background. Keep going man!

I really wish they kept the addon system. It would add even more customization to the engineer and it’s not like you can replace the pda anyways

Dude, I thought I was the only one to make smiley faces with the hit textures on walls

The catapult is perfect for the medieval mode, imagine bashing toward enemies or helping out Demoknights without charge, not to mention how fitting it is for the theme.

Gabe: "uh..yes were working on something for tf2 that you should see by the end of this year" Me: *realization*

IDEA: A cart that the Engineer can put his buildings on and push around

It should allow you to throw the dispenser and have it deploy once it hits the ground, that way you can help the front liners without getting smacked around by the flanking scout.

Mini Dispenser Stats: +Dispenser build cost is 75 metal +500% dispenser heal/ammo range. -Does not hold metal -Only has 100hp(same as mini sentry) -cannot be upgraded(healing and ammo refill rates are that of a level 1 dispenser)

the repair nodes nerf: when sapped, all devices in its radius of repair are deactivated

The boost pad would have been a nice alternative to the teleporter for smaller, or more condensed, maps.

I have this idea of sentry backpack, basically a level 1 sentry on your back, but you have 100hp, with 10% increased spees

They could have made it so that the repair node only repairs your buildings and replaces the dispenser. But the down side is that you can't repair buildings except the repair node and it has a limited reserve of metal. But it does allow you to deal 25% more damage with any wrench.

I had a whole bunch of Engie building ideas in my head, but I never considered a damn catapult! Brilliant!

I think the repair node could work if it like... only checked if a building needed repairing every few seconds (say like... 3 or 5 seconds), then have it replace the dispenser, and finally only only let it repair sentries if they are _NOT_ in use. Meaning not shooting. Legit think that might make the repair node actually useable.

I think the Repair Node could be reused as an MvM upgrade, I doubt it would have ever been able to heal or perhaps even overheal a building to the point it could survive a Sentry Buster's burst of damage and against a horde of high damaging robots would probably only give it a few more seconds, so it wouldn't be an instant "I am a GOD!" upgrade. Perhaps it could be something for the Gunslinger to give it some actual use in MvM, you sacrifice your own DPS potential to support your fellow Engineers without having to be right there turtling with them and making the whole nest into an even better target. But any of this would require Valve to remember MvM exists.

They said that having the repair node would be difficult to balance yet they still went ahead and gave demo and soldier weapons capable of 2 shotting buildings without a seconds hesitation.

It seems the *PDA Slot* will never be a *Useful Slot*

The cut Speed Pad and Catapult (Now the Jump Pad) can be played on the *TF2 Balance Mod* servers using the plugins by HiGPS! You can switch between them by rotating the Teleporter after you have chosen between standard teleporter or the Speed/Jump Pads

Mini dispenser and teleported would have given me life.

5:21 I bet Uncle Dane could have become an invisible and unstoppable Engineer with it.

imagine the repair node with the wrangler on a level 3 sentry at the top of a hill

For alternate dispensers and teleporters, I always thought it would be neat to have a PDA unlock that reverses the roles of the two. The dispenser replacement would function like the speed pad. It would be a small tesla coil and provide a movement speed buff and melee attack buff. It would be a weak way to get players forward, but would help move players around once they are near objectives. It would also synergize with other engineers with the melee speed buff, and possibly make the gunslinger combo punch more viable. The teleporters would then be replaced with a health (entrance) and an ammo (exit) spawner. They would generate a "pickup" for health or ammo. The health pickup would supply a specific amount of health (maybe 100) and the ammo would just be medium ammo with reduced metal value. Once picked up, it takes a few seconds to generate a new pickup. The reason I specify the ammo is the exit is because it would be the eureka effect target - the health is more important to share with the team while you do goofy stuff with the metal/ammo generator. Conceptually, they would be a simplified or alternative teleporter model that is implied to be an exit to an entrance that is attached to a hopper filled with supplies. These would also have cheaper build costs. Overall, the focus is the same as the minisentry: cheaper buildings that sacrifice the high power of the original buildings for a more mobile and aggressive playstyle. They fulfill similar functions, and should still help the team as a whole in a similar way to the normal buildings.

I highly suggest playing HiGPS ReBlanced TF2 mod if you want to play with the speed pad and catapult! Give this mod some spotlight Tyler, it's a very fun mod that deserves some attention!

Oh god, imagine if the catapult wasn't cut. there would be market gardener trolldiers everywhere

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The catapult reminds me of the jump pad from Fortress Forever

The Catapult is kind of in Team Fortress 2 Classic as the Bounce Pad, I think it’s called that.

When the end credits are almost as long as the video.

The repair nod would be useful to use with more engineers playing.

You just got *speculationed*

The Tf2 balance mod has both the catapult and the speed pad and they fucking great

Engineer holding that crowbar like he's on the royalty

I would love a mini teleporter, where it takes longer to charge, but teleports you to the other teleporter quicker

God I wish the catapult was in the game. That looks like so much fun. Besides that, I'd probably play engie more if even one or two of these different buildings were added. They seem a bit more up my alley.

Fun Fact: Originally, the Eureka Effect had its own Sentry designs

I actually like all these ideas and I think, with enough messing around, they could work! To start, if my concepts for the Spytraps were added as well, I would say remove the speed pad as I would have assigned it to the Spy's Repulsor 'trap'. Otherwise, it and the Catapult are both great sidegrades that I think could be a lot of fun! The mini-dispenser is also something I covered in the Spytraps video comments, but essentially it would work as intended, being the mini-sentry version of a dispenser, good for attack engies and places you need quick healing but not necessarily holding an area as much as a turtle engi. Additionally, if the Spytraps are added alongside, it would be immune to the Reprogrammer as I detailed in the Spytraps comments, making it and the mini-sentry effective counters to the reprogrammer at the cost of maintainability. I think the only one that needs major change is the Repair Node, which I think is a plausible and workable sidegrade. My take on it is that it works like a dispenser. It would be able to target one building (ie your Sentry/Tele, or an ally's Sentry/Tele) and continuously heal that building. It would heal it at a comparable rate as a dispenser heals a player, so at lower levels it would server as good passive healing if your buildings are being focused and at higher levels would be a bit more sturdy. However, the Repair Node would also have a metal count similar to the dispenser, in that it has a maximum level of metal it can store that goes into repairing the building. Once it runs out, it can't heal until it regens metal, and at that point, regen wouldn't be enough to sustain focused damage. Lastly, what happens when a RN AND an Engi are both healing a target? Could be bad news. As it is, it could be counterable if the Engineer doesn't have a sustainable metal source, especially since the RN would not be giving the Engi metal. If this isn't enough, equipping the RN could have the downside of reduced repair capabilities on the RN's target, similar to the Wrangler or Rescue Ranger. Essentially, if a building is being healed by the Repair Node, Wrench repairing rate will be reduced. Lemme know what you think. I might see about making these in the future, minus the mini-dispenser.

We need that mini dispencer! So the ultimate battle engi loadout is unlocked for the tf2 community to use!

These were my babies However, Valve took them away

I wonder how a telephone pole-like building that makes your enemies walk slowly in a certain radius, but it's sorta fragile (80 HP, for example), would fare >.>

I know it's a bit late but I have an idea for a PDA for engi it promotes seting up or battle engi Pros All buildings are built 20% faster All buildings have 15 extra health so a lvl 3 sentry would have 231 hp, lvl 3 dispenser or teleporter is 195 hp and a mini sentry with 115 hp All building are 5% faster (so a building such as a teleporter will charge 5% faster a dispenser hands out supplies 5% faster and a sentry shoots 5% faster) Cons YOU CANNOT HEAL BUILDINGS WHILE IN THEIR BUILDING STATE YOU CANNOT INCREASE THE RATE OF BULDING No random crits (what ever gun your using random crits allowed or not none of your weapons will random crit)

The mini dispenser was actually a workshop item someone made

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Engineer just downgrades from using high-tech teleporters to transport his team and resorts to just launching them really far really quickly

Mini dispenser isn't too crazy considering you have a mini sentry

LAST WEEK? jesus these weeks been gettin longer

hopefully they add these soon they would be awsome to have

I think maybe a Sam turret could replace the sentry. More of a support item that takes out grenades, rockets, etc. putting it with another engies sentry could be really powerful.

I'll be honest the repair node is what I need, just don't have the repairing effect stack and have it repair 1 building at a time per 15+ seconds.

Those alternative teliporter options would be useful in smaller maps with a centralized control point Maps where it's not really worth placing an exit teliporter most of the time because of how close the objective is to the spawn, like harvest

with a name like recon, i could imagine it would make surrounding buildings emit no sounds, or particles in the case of the teleporter

I really wish they did do that alt buildings thing. Would it be hard to balance? Absolutely, but it also would've been a blast to fuck around with