Crucially to Euston yes, but unfortunately it was supposed to be ‘crucial’ for Northern England. I used to manage a company making railway bridges and the ‘intent’ and ‘promises’ were for increased capacity for trains travelling to and from The North.
@@daveseville7394 Why link up with Warterloo or Scotland very stupid idea concidering the HS2 line is a domestic Hi Speed line linking Birmingham and Manchester to London Euston and there is no practical or financial reason to join HS2 to HS1 so any freight trains comming from the EU to the UK Midlands and the North via the Channel tunnel get to their destination easily by other routes, no freight trains will use the HS2 route as they will continue to use the existing WCML route
@@peterwilliamallen1063 I am against HS2 and firmly believe that a replacedment Great Central would have served far more people- but that's not what the corrupt PM of the day wanted. However, I am puzzled by your reluctance to link it to HS1. Europe has connected all of its high speed routes and you can- in theory- go from London to just about anywhere by high speed trains, except in UK.
@@derektaylor2941 First you are another person living in a dream world, the Great Central Railway was closed and ripped up in 1966, Nottingham Victoria is now a shopping Center, Tunnel have been blocked up, viaducts destroyed including the bridge over the WCML at Rugby and a large section in the Loughborough area is now owned by a private Steam Railway most of the rest of the Railways trackbed has been rubbed out and the main thing is the Great Central Railway went no where near the main City involved in the HS2 line " Birmingham" and would not of served far more people considering just running from Birmingham it is serving upto 1.5 million people and upto 3 million people if you look at the West Midland Combined area and it is basically a high speed domestic line as a replacement upgrade for the west coast main line alowing more capacity on the WCML. The reason I find every one going on about joining HS2 to HS1 rediculouse as first it is inpractical and there is no call for such a service which was going to be tried when the Channel tunnel opened but cancelled due to no call for such a service and people can fly from Birmingham and Manchester easier to Europe, you mention European Railways run inter country trains across Europe for one country to anouther, the problem is the Channel Tunnel, the trains running from one country to another in the EU is because first all the countries are joined together and are in the shengen area where passports ae not required and their trains are built to the UIC ( Berne Gauge) which allows wider Coach Bodies which would not fit the UK loading gauge through domestic platforms in the UK, No EU Domestic Train runs through the Channel tunnel due to the fact passenger trains running through the channel tunnel have to be to a certain length so if they fail in the tunnel the coach doors will line up with escape tunnels which domestic trains wont do and then causes problems of these trains being too long for UK stations to accomodate, hence only Eurostar being the only operate through the Channel tunnel plus as we are not in the EU, any trains between the EU and the UK are termed as International train service involving passport control and luggage checks and all the HS2 is is a domestic hispeed main line that will be operated by one company, Avanti West Coast/ Trenitalia.
The high cost has a lot to do with the demands to gold plate HS2 - like tunnels through Chiltern tory constituencies to keep voters sweet. But it must be done properly. And that means to Euston, to Manchester, and even to Leeds. And beyond.
HS2 is completely useless without a Euston connection. People want to travel to London, not the suburbs of London, and they want to transfer from HS2 to HS1, not HS2 to the Elizabeth Line to HS1. That could add half an hour on a crowded commuter train to what should be as seamless a travel experience as possible.
@@JohnSmall314 WHY does a purely domestic Hi speed line, HS2 got to connect to a purly international line HS1, no Domestic Services from Europe travel to the UK only the Internationl trains of Eurostar onnect the UK to the EU so why would our domestic train service travel to the EU when there is no call for such a connection.
Of course it has got to go to Euston - otherwise the observation by the Economic Forum will come true .... namely that, after having sepnt tens of billions of pounds, people will take longer to travel between London and Birmingham than they do at the moment.
HS2 will only go to Euston if private investment is found & to date, there have been NO takers, which is understandable given that HS2 is an environmental disaster of epic proportions & Britain's biggest infrastructure mistake in half a century.
Which means they’ll continue to use the existing, full route, so no capacity will be freed up on that line, which was the whole reason for the project in the first place! Capacity not speed.
@@eddaines237 The problem is that no one will be ble to use the existing full WCML route when HS2 is open as all Hi Speed Avanti West Coast Trains that currently use the existing WCML will be transfered to use the HS2 route and hardly any trains from the Midlands nd the North West will use the WCML all will use the HS2 route
It's class warfare because when it's built and england and the rest of the world use this as a properly built network then it makes these idle rich snotty snobby shit heads irrelevant as it did when the first industrial revolution started boosting wages across the country.
@@MikeWillSee Event that wouldn't neccessary cause problems, it the fact he downgrading the infrastructure around Birmingham and selling off the land that will make it financially very difficult to reinstate those sections in the future. Plus only building 6 platforms at Euston to permanently limit capacity of the High Speed rail network.
@@CRIMSONANT1 it has to happen as it will free up more capacity on both the ECML and the WCML for the next 50 years That’s what the whole HS2 is designed to deliver
@@8492946able .. nonsense, the corruption & lies are only now beginning to surface. HS2 Ltd have hoodwinked the government & the public from day one of this disastrous vanity project. Arguments that the WCML is "full to capacity" rely on a discredited, out of date forecasting model which overestimates long distance passenger growth & isn't used for anything anymore except to justify this monstrous White elephant. Network Rail's "New Lines Programme Capacity Analysis" shows that WCML capacity is kept artificially low by private operators wanting to maximise profits. A DfT analysis shows that in peak hours leaving Euston, WCML trains were loaded at just 52.2 %. What's left of this horrendous vanity project is nothing more than another commuter line between London & Birmingham & within a decade of opening (in about 50 years time given the current rate of progress), will be nothing more than a glorified cycle track. It's been a total shambles from day one & will continue to be so until someone has the courage to say enough is enough & put it out of its misery.
@@8492946able.. I suggest you do some research .. £300 BILLION per month for 3 months? Where on earth did you get that figure from - that's 3 times the cost of HS2 😂
In reality it should be going to Manchester and even to Scotland to get the most benefit from the project. Hopefully when the line is running they see sense and stop short-term thinking.
This title is a misleading. 😡 It should be called HS1.5 to highlight the inadequacy of Backwater Britain It neither starts nor finishes in the places it was intended. The EU is linking all its major cities with High Speed Rail. There should be high speed rail through routes from European cities major cities in UK to promote growth and development.
@@Bl0ckHe1d Rather a lot actually because for years they have been wasting tax payers money trying to get Independance from the UK which they wont ever get, and as Scotland has it's own cash cow off the UK Government in millions of pounds in the Barnet Formula payment from the UK Government if they want a link to HS2 they can pay for it
The Public Accounts Committee report also said it was "sceptical" government would attract enough private investment to build a key new station at Euston.
Im not from the UK but I know a bit about HS2 and honestly with all the cuts already if they dont even link it to Euston station than whats the whole point of this project anyway? With all the cuts/cancelled plans it already lost a lot of its usefulness already. Not even linking it to central London would make this a laughing stock of a project
HS2...... £120 BILLION to get from just outside London to not too far away from Birmingham, 20 minutes quicker than it takes to get from London to Birmingham. Never, in the field of civil engineering, has so much money been wasted, by so many people, on something so stupid.
@@ipwood Yes we have those direct services to France and Paris, they are called cheap flights from Birmingham Airport and Manchester Airport by Airlines such as Air France, Ryan Air and Easy Jet, so if we have these why do we need to drive into Central Birmingham when you can park your car at Birmingham Airport or Drive to to Central Manchester to travel 90 miles down to London, trundle across London then travel from Stratford International to Paris, and do not mention that the train goes to Central Paris which it does because this does not mean that you are visiting Central Paris so either way you would need to get a Taxi from the Stationin Central Paris or Charles De Gaul Airport to where you neded to go in Paris. This ha been tried years ago and never worked out so was cancelled
Among the richest country on the planet and still can't build proper HSR. Sorry, but that's pretty pathetic. Waiting for private funding is the best way to end up with an ugly mall-station instead of a proper train station designed for passengers and not for profit. That's what they tried to do with Gare du Nord in Paris but thankfully, the project was cancelled.
Unless the line goes to Euston it's effectively a line to nowhere. It would be faster to get the existing train from Birmingham to Euston than to get the HS2 and have to change on the way. But I see an even bigger problem. HS2 doesn't link up with HS1 all the way to the continent. Who's idea was that? It should have been possible to route HS2 down the Lea Valley to join HS1 at Stratford and have a clear run all the way from Birmingham to Paris and beyond. Also going down the Lea Valley would avoid all the problems they now have tunnelling under NW London.
"Why are we paying 5x the standard industry rate for this work?" Corruption. But it's the legalised form of corruption, not plain simple cash in suitcases type. It's a chain of contractors, sub-contractors, sub-sub-contractors, management consultants and various parasites. All perfectly legal because the law is arranged to allow that kind of corruption to be legal. The net result is the same as the illegal forms of corruption. Public money gets poured into a project,. not much actual infrastructure is built and a lot of rich people miraculously become even richer as if by magic. You can tell that there's a lot of barely legal corruption going on in the UK because the existing networks that channel public money into private pockets went into overdrive during the pandemic. The fact that the only thing that worked efficiently during the pandemic was the sudden appearance of a fast track to millions conveyor belt for friends of Tory ministers. Which implies that had always been there but not quite so blatant. We're seeing more and more of that kind of thing as the Tories strip the country bare before they're kicked out. We have the case of prime development land being sold off to mates of a Tory mayor for £1 per acre. And now the government having bankrupted local councils is going to force them to sell off public property to mates of Tory ministers and other Tory party donors. We're paying 5x the industry standard for a railway line because the Tories are corrupt. It's that simple.
With construction projects of this nature, there is no such thing as a standard cost as there are too many variables such as thousands of planning conditions to comply with that bear no comparable resemblance to each other and hundreds of road diversions all with different solutions because they all differ to each other and varying ground conditions.requiribg different foundation solutions.
No need to go to Euston. Continue the tunnel from Old Oak Coomon going the extra mile to HS1. The Liverpool, Glasgow, Birmingham and Manchester will have continental access. Job done.
Liverpool, Glasgow, Manchester and Birmingham already have access to tthe EU, they are called Airports and planes. All these airports have fast cheap flights to Europe and who wants to sit 9 hours on a train from Glasgow/ Edinburgh to Paris when it can be done in 3 hours by flying.
@@johnburns4017 Yes it is isn't John Burns, are you a relsation of Jmes Monks who also comes up with daft ideas about HS2, why when it is easier to get to Birmingham Airport parking wise and Cheaper and Qucicker and take just as long to get through imigration and Customs would I want to spend 4 to 5 hours on a train to Paris from Birmingham when it is quicker to Fly and not only that you are not always going to the Centre of Paris to do business so taking a Taxi from the Airport or Central of Paris Station to companies in the out skirts of Paris makes no odds. Just believe there is no call from Birmingham or the North West for a train service through the Channel tunnel to the EU, it has been tried and failed and no one is going to build special trains to go through the Channel Tunnel when no one wants to use them
@@johnburns4017 Well John Burns amazingly you seem to as well by keep going on about stupid rubbish on HS2 mate, I have read your comments like James Monks and why you have the infatuation of the fairy story of a link between HS2 aand HS1 beggers belief, if I had the choice of goung by train from Birmingham Curzon Street which won't have any Car Parks and Flying to Europe From Birmingham Airport which will be served by trains from Birmingham New Street,Birmingham Curzon Street and all over the Country, Taxies, fantastic local bus and Coach connections and loads of Car Parks for quickness, cost and convienence I like most people would Fly
It is funny that BBC London Newsreaders don't seem confident of HS2 a high speed rail link to the rest of the Country termiinating at Euston, but when it comes down to a new tube line they postively salavate at the thought of it yet these cost millions but do nothing to any one but London
@@TrevorWilliams-fq8mg Yeah I have. I've got a whole bunch of FOI results also. This is blatant money laundering/theft. There's no other explanation for paying 5x the market rate.
It should not only go to Euston but also link east with hs1 with a outer london station or essex station I still feel the low used hs1 Stratford international to be a good choice, we have to get out of the habit of everything to london central ulez proves the east is woefully inadequate to get around if you haven’t got a car , or rely on public transit it rake 2 hours to go from north to east there has to be a loop built that takes that in
@@ram64man Problem HS2 isn't going North of Leeds, That is thterrotory of LNER and the ECML.HS2 is WCML project that is run by Avanti West Coast Trains
Hang on, what? Isn't this the point? Will we now have to pay the consultants and analysts and scores of engineers another few billion to get it done? The government is being robbed, in broad daylight, over this debacle.
HS2 is designed to minimise journey times between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds and it will also free up more capacity on both the ECML and the WCML for the next 50 years That’s what the whole HS2 is designed to deliver
Can so few people see that HS2 was only ever about setting up the infrastructure in order to build new Cities over the Chilterns? The business case for it originally is pointless, but now that areas of outstanding natural beauty have been desecrated by this monstrosity, people's resistance to concreting it over will be lowered. It's a little like town bypasses... No one wants to see their town expand but they're happy to have a bypass. Once that bypass is built then they are less resistant to the town being expanded as far as the bypass. The same principle is being used here. Does anyone really think that this was ever about anything other than that? The main argument of relieving pressure on the Southern WCML is laughable and anyone with half a brain knows why HS2 will make no difference there.
