Looks liike this is an older vid here but this use of the double sided slides in TH is absolutely something they should have with everyone of them made. This one was done much more "Right" compared to those with the wall of a couch, tiny kitchen with no space to move. Been looking at the Seismic models with the side patio, losing out with one concept but the patio is surely a oool concept for the full timing with the Toy Hauler. Like you taught me some time ago.. There is only "SO MUCH" with SO MUCH SPACE they can do and I'll never find "the dream" I assumed there was available. It's the time to do it, time to decide, and time to make it happen in a few weeks!
Took delivery of mine 2 weeks ago. (My 6th RV) and let me say, it is amazing! Build quality matches the price. It tows beautifully with the 8k axels with the disk brakes. I highly recommend this bad boy.
You’re the first person I’ve heard say they don’t want more garage space lol Me personally if I’m hauling just bicycles around I can just use the 500lbs rack on the back they usually have. Garage is for big boy toys
I personally am looking for more living/kitchen space. We want to live in ours for a time with 5 kids… we just need room for bicycles. I do want the extra bathroom and the back porch area but we need more room to cook and live in 😊
Garage is good size for me. Fits Can-Am three-wheeler, would replace one couch with desk top to have standing desk for office, upper bunk for occasional guests. This is the RV I’ve been most seriously been looking at buying.
Yes this is a excellant toy hauler, UPGRADES that can be done is the all 3 axle's can be upgraded to 8,000 lb with disc brakes. Yes you can also get the unit with the MORryde Independent Suspension System. Another upgrade is with the fridge, A residential fridge. You can ask the dealer about getting installed a washer and dryer. Also get Cargo trays for the basement area. This is all the upgrades that I know about. Some day this will be my ultimate toy hauler with a ram 3500 dually.
Ditto on hoarding the TP in the main bathroom.... That being said, I too would rather have a shelf in the middle of that space which would make it much more usable. There's a lot of nice little storage areas in this RV, which makes it all the more usable for full-time RVing. The colors are also nice and neutral for this unit and the couch's in the garage have very nice looking covers on them. I would prefer having independent suspension or 8K axels for something that big.
We just released the tour of our 397TH. Check it out to see how different they are. The lights over the sink are different in ours. We are loving that big fridge. We’ve been in ours 2 weeks today. Jarhead retired and we moved to TX from Japan to go full time. We just got our shipment from Japan and are trying to get it all organized in our 397. You should check out the shower in ours. We have a rainmaker, handheld sprayer, and 2 body jets! Amazing!
Very good video. I like everything about this RV, however I love your idea of reducing the garage space in order to increase the kitchen/dining/living room area. The second full bath is a big plus when a large family is staying in this unit.
Love this RV. Would change the garage to a full living room and take out the sofas and bed and put our own sofa-bed and stuff. Having the patio door for air and patio is amazing. It would work for us full time and for guests. I would use the tv inside the RV to play games.
My wife and I have been looking at "Toy Haulers" for almost a year now, trying to decide which one would fit our needs best. This 397TH from Grand Design has the best floor plan we have seen so far for us and our needs. I have viewed this model in-person on two different occasions. I have read lots of reviews and and many forums researching this model and brand. I have also spoken to several Grand Design owners, asking them what their experience has been with the manufacturer and most had positive things to say. Yes! "you will" have problems with any brand of RV whether it be a travel trailer, 5th wheel or a motor home. There is just something about taking a big wooden box and dragging it down the interstate at 70 mph that causes things to go wrong. Grand Design appears to be a manufacturer that tries to build good quality campers and from the folks I have talked too, the company seems to care about the quality and service that the customer receives. Of course this all just my opinion. Always! Always! do your own research, read the reviews, watch the videos and go through the forums. Visit the dealers lots and look at as many of the different designs and brands as you can. Educate yourself as much as possible so you can make your own decision based on facts and function not guesses. I am very thankful for people like JD, that makes videos like this so we can see what's out there in the RV world. I think when my wife and I are ready to purchase another 5th wheel, it will be the 397th from Grand Design. Hey JD, I love your videos sir! Keep up the good work and Happy Holidays!
The 376THS is a great floor plan that gives you the extra space for a single motorized toy or multiple bicycles. Definitely at the top of my next RV list.
I agree 110% on the garage space. I want the garage but don't want to add 10-15 feet to my 5th wheel. If they made one like that with 6ish feet of a garage, and 25-28 of the rest of the trailer that would be in the specs I'd like.
If you ever want to carry a4 passenger rzr or can am you HAVE to have the longer garage. Do your homework on sizes. GD did a good job with the triple axles. I would really like to know how the underpinning should make up the floor are made for the garage. most of the toy haulers have two light of underpinnings.
It’s nice , to nice for what I’d want in a toyhauler. I want zero carpet in living room and kitchen areas ( that’s something to catch dirt and grime ) And I didn’t catch you telling how tall the rear cargo area was. 12 foot worth of cargo length is normally plenty unless you have a 4 seated SXS, but most of us in the south and some up north we raise ours up to clear big tires My CanAm Commander is at 7’ ft tall and I know mine is low compared to a lot of peoples SXSs
I think you make a good point about a shorter garage and reusing that space. You could offer a bunk house there or use it to expand the living area. But I think the toy hauler you want in may already exist. There are several units out there where the garage is under the master bedroom in the back where the bed raises up to give the garage height. If want you want is space for bikes or maybe a motorcycle or two those units are perfect.
@@BigTruckBigRV The garage pretty much acts as the bunkhouse via the happy jacks bunks. They do also offer the updated Momentum 395MS that does have a large 14' garage but also more seating in the main area instead of the full size bathroom with a 1/2 bath in the garage.
If i had the money,not only would i have turned that garage hall into a second living room or turn it into a casino or a gaming room,but i also would,ve put in a tv there as well, and in the main sleeproom i would,ve opted for a slidible bed to turn 1 person bed into a 2 person bed in order to have extra space to dance on my favorite music And off course i would,ve also added solarpanels on the rooftop of this RV, i would be great for living there with my cousins😁
We need at least 12’ for our Can Am. Been debating toyhaulers for years but can’t pull trigger because probably would have to go dually. Great job on video as always.
@ Jaunt Junkies. Your Can Am would fit in a 12 FT toyhauler garage with no problem at all and no you don't have to go dully for a toyhauler there are a bunch of single rear wheel trucks that will properly be able to tow your toyhauler weather it's a 5TH wheel or a bumper bull
I'm looking for a toy hauler but don't have any toys to haul. I like the smaller garage. Thinking of living in a rv full time for travel nursing. The garage would have a couple items from my mom like a chest for the 1960s, maybe a desk, and a crate for my dogs (I have 1 dog who likes to hide esp from loud noises) patio great place to set up an easel and paint.
Nice rig but I agree with your assessment of the squished-together living/dining/kitchen area. It would be nice to have an alternate floorplan with a smaller garage as you suggested so the living space wasn't so cramped. I do love the second full bath! It is the size of the bathrooms in smaller Class C or small travel trailers. Love the patio area! Would be a great place for my dogs to have a contained area to run around in.
Sometimes I do not like the light and dark. Some companies go to overpower and make it look not cool. I like light theme, other then that. Its a very nice toy hauler!
Nice that everything is at one spot so you can do everything at once instead of walking around the unit multiple times. But tanks outlet is under the slide.
Great video,...Our first RV was a 2019 GD 397TH that we lived in for a year as we traveled across the US. It was a great RV. But due to lifestyle changes we sold it and now have an Alliance Paradigm mid bunk that we like better. We felt the same way about the cramped dining/living combo with no separation it was short on living space. The "Big MO" we used to call her would draw a crowd at the RV park though. It definitely was cool. With the led lighting and Rockford Fosgate stereo it had the wow factor for sure. I do miss it but when we loaded her down with my XP4 RZR and camping supplies it tipped the scales at 20K, it was a load behind my 3500 dually. Grand Design as with Alliance have been wonderful to deal with after the sale. Highly recommend them..
I LOVE the bigger garage. I was originally looking at the 376TH because of the garage being separate from the living space, and the plush family room area. Unfortunately I wouldn’t be able to fit a 2 seat Polaris General in that garage.... So it looks like the 397TH is on my short list.
I would personally reverse the couch with the table set. As for the garage minimum should be 11feet when considering side-by-side length. IM A yuge fan of Grand Designs, and one is on my short list but might be price prohibitive. We'll see
One of the nicest RV's I've seen. It's the first one that actually meets the needs I'd want out of a toy hauler. I would actually want the cargo area a tad longer to make fitting one of my little British cars inside easier, but 12.5 ft. is just long enough (my car is 12' long). The rear elevated bed would be replaced with mounts for bikes (I don't care about sleeping space for kids I don't have). I love how it has the W/D in the bedroom rather than in the garage space - something I don't like about a lot of toy hauler designs. If there is one downside it's you would need a beast of a truck to move this sucker...
I have a Polaris ranger thats just at 13 foot plus 2 full size quads and 2 smaller quads finding the right toy hauler is tough but pulling a trailer behind this one would work out great all quads in the hauler and the ranger on a 14 foot trailer behind the hauler would work
Garage model toy haulers are just that : for toys! *** Living Large!! *** 2018 4113 Heartland Cyclone HD Garage Toy Hauler Geared Up with 2016 Polaris RZR (4) Turbo 1000 Pulled by 2017 Chevy Duramax HD Diesel Crew Cab ❤
Love grand design. And I am finding toy haulers to be very flexible in term of use. And I believe grand design insulates their garage floors. Not sure if it is all their toy haulers. I agree on the idea of smaller garage/bigger living room option. It’s like all the toy haulers are so similar. With 12, 16, 18 ft garages Surprised they put the W/D in bedroom when many of they toy haulers have them in the garage. (Best place in my opinion) And they could not find a way to not put that small piece of carpet????
I'm with you on the garage. I've been looking at rv's for full time and thought a toy hauler would be nice for the extra storage space/mudroom. But I don't think I've seen one yet with a living room. If they shortened the garage, you could have a much more comfortable living room and kitchen. Maybe even get rid of the second bathroom.
This is the exact one we live in full time. We added more shelving in the bathroom & bedroom. Storage is not a problem and we especially love the extra counter space on the kitchen island. The storage above the living room tv is perfect for my husbands whiskey collection.😆 Both bathrooms are easily accessible with the slides in for pit stops on travel days. Would definitely recommend this rig, it’s been a dream for us to live & travel the US in. Check out our account to see how we use it.
Hey guys! BTBRV here! I'd recommend at minimum a Peterbuilt to haul this thing, but if you can afford the monthly payments I'd strongly suggest an Earth Mover. The Payload of this toy hauler is in the range of 3500 pounds so the Earth Mover is strongly Recommended. - jk brother! I really enjoy the reviews, just gotta tease you some.
I love it! And I agree with the smaller garage because 8 feet is enough for me however 4 wheelers can stack on top of each other also myself I would just put 2 water totes back there about 500 gallons and the bed above leaving a lot more space for a separate dining and living space but maybe the L shaped couch could go up to the ceiling with a removable wall or a wall that hinges up below either the bed or the couches! Also I’m really not a big fan of the rubber 12 year roofs fiberglass or aluminum only and the banks really should require no rubber roofing for the bank loans! Also there’s really no need for an interior entry into the garage accept to access the upper bed so permanent couch all the way across and the ability to hydraulic stack 4 wheelers or a single bed access from the inside! With it like that I would put the second bathroom next to the front door near the other bathroom with a center entry to the bedroom and a 24 inch deep pantry on the other side! With slide outs in it’s better to put the pantry near the door for shopping access without having to put out the slides! I like the center king bed in front with the closet slide out to include the washer dryer! Front windshield and double front slide out above the bed with window on the front one. I have snow birdied for 7 years so I have experience and I price that high who will buy it to park it in a garage? I’m really hoping that used come up for sale with this design because with Covid and so many people going from job to job having no stability this is what a lot of people need like me currently! It’s like build it for the next owner and the next! Also children need a little tub in the rear shower just 18 inch deep and Less water used.
My thoughts on the garage: I need at least another 1.5 feet :( Trying to fit a Can Am 4 seater which is just over 13.5 feet long. I just can't seem to find the luxury and garage! I don't mind having a smaller living room, since we would be mostly hanging in the garage or in respective rooms. I really really like the Voltage with the actual 3 separate closed off bedrooms (plus bunks!!!). Looking for exactly that but with at least enough garage to fit the Can Am.. I Just can't seem to find it! Great video!
@M.W. you should go check them out !!!!?? you might end up talking to your local dealer and find out you love it so much that you make the right call and get one
Most people with toy haulers aren't just carrying bicycles. Most have side by sides, golf carts, Can-Am 3 wheelers or large motorcycles. A small garage would be for a very small market. I'm personally looking at this model because I have a Snap-On tool box and a Suzuki DR400SE to carry, along with some boxes. I'll be using the loft are as storage.
I love your channel and my girlfriend and I watch together and I was wondering if you could do a tour of the gold brown and black fifth wheel in the back at 0:19 if you could that would be awesome!!!!! Thanks, keep up the good content!!!
20,000 GVW, 3,500 lbs more than my Open range, but I have a cargo capacity almost 1,000 lbs more. And I'm not a toy hauler (376FBH). I'm constantly amazed at the relatively pathetic cargo capacity of modern toy haulers.
Looking to buy one of these... did a walkthrough today and was very impressed. Planning on full timing. Now need to find the right truck. Dually - check, Diesel - Check, 4.10 or 3.73? 5000# pin weight? Dualles seem in short supply in my neighborhood. Are there brokers that specialize in Duallies?
I said it in one of your other videos. It’s great to have the flex space in the back but don’t sacrifice the living and kitchen area. I bet LUXE would be able to create that kind of space.
That sucks, we have the same model and year but we didn’t get the better/new Morryde steps, a TCL tv in the bedroom(it’s a random Logix tv), and the lights on the back of ours are so big, you can’t put the camera without taking the cover off of the light, on that one the lights are way smaller so you would be able to put the camera.
I much prefer my washer and dryer to not be in the bedroom. I do like the idea of a larger living room area, but I don’t have anything that would take much space in the garage.
Agree want less garage more seating space. I want a fifth wheel with drop down patio out the back, no garage . Ridiculous price considering lack of awnings and no outside cooking
Big fan of the momentum’s, hoping for a 29g someday.....but, on the same line of thinking, why can’t I get an RV without a garage but also have a back patio.....or can I , lol....
I need a 12+ foot garage for a sxs, and its only a 2 seater. Many 4 seat sxs are 15+ feet. I was specifically looking for a separate 12+ foot garage as I didnt want to haul a dirty sxs in the livingroom on our way home.
How is the RV industry adding or addressing Solar power. Pre installed with everything, or huge up grade. Making RV completely Solar useable with battery system to run just like a generator. Would like grand design with complete solar independence?!!!
Yeah, I'm not really a huge fan, either. The recliners are too close to the TV, and the stove is crammed into a little nook with no space on the sides for anything, including saucepan handles. Also would prefer a residential fridge. (Actually, for me, that's a dealbreaker.)
