Ep 1.2 | A Pastoral Response to Bethel's  

Amen that resounded so deeply with me. I feel the parents are masking their lack of peace with God's will by covering it up. Makes me wonder what will happen to their faith down the track.

I put that same line on Facebook when I shared the video.

Amen

So good! Literally gave me chills!

Amen! Faith is not given unto us to change our future, but instead faith is given to us to accept our future!

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How is believing for the dead to be raised is bad theology? Jesus literally said those that believe on him would do so.

@@calebbonny8848 How is asking for $100,000 for Olive to be raised from the dead good theology....please explain this. Look into the Twitter account of Bill Johnson where he states...quoate " we are asking $100,000 for the resurrection of Olive". Explain to me where Jesus or the apostles asked for money for a healing/creative miracle. Do your homework. If you cannot provide a scriptural basis that there must be a gift offering/ money in order for healings and people being raised from the dead to come...then our conversation is over.

Matthew Craig I just went to his twitter and saw no such thing. I’m very very skeptical of your claims, I’ve also heard people say Bill Johnson supports grave sucking, even tho he has openly denounced that

These pastors are complete snowflakes.

God is more than capable of defending his honor

@@liontribe777 , I was concerned about it too..What would the world think.. would the faith of many be affected.. But the more I think about it, the more peace i get. People would have been sparked by the hope displayed. Most don't even have that. Thousands have started paying attention to whats going on. What the devil meant for evil, God certainly turns round for good. Maybe they went overboard, but the parents were obedient.

@@ZeeMol6950 I am encouraged by their act of faith. That in the face of the ridicule they knew they would now face they were willing to trust that God being the healer can and would raise this little girl from the dead. I don't think they went overboard I think it took great courage to stand with that hope. Perhaps more now will be willing to believe for the impossible.....

@@liontribe777 😢😢yes..If only other believers showed some compassion for them

Don't you know that without faith it is impossible to please God? faith is not positive speaking but speaking affects our faith. it starts with the hearing and then faith comes. can you let go of faith? Of course, people do it all the time. Faith is not a temporary belief, but persistent belief. How do you persist in your belief. By the renewing of your mind? How do we do that? By speaking your faith. For as a man speaketh so is he. We are called into faith. Faith to the unbelievers is nonsense. To the Jews, it is risky and leads to our perdition. But to us who believe in Jesus Christ it is power, it is the resurrection, it is our hope, it is our salvation. God wants us to desire. But only desire a good thing. To hunger... for righteousness. If you don't see it, hunger for it. Is it right for kids to die before their time? Is it right for sickness and disease to be rampant among believers whom are Children of the Most High God, not by the will of man, but by the will of God. If you've been to a Word of Faith church, than you must have experienced being born again. You must have receiving the promise of the Father, the Spirit that cries out Abba, Father. Now is not too late to return to God. Grab again the faith that is presented before you and hold on and never let go. You are now a faith creature. If you are not always in faith then the spirit is not in you and if the spirit is not in you, you are none of his. Seek to know God. He is not just a one time born again experience, he is so much more.

John RS your question doesn’t even make sense in the context of this video. Jesus has power over His creation, we don’t. Our will is nothing compared to His. The quote above is truth. Do you not see that?

You're absolutely right and the ultimate example of this is when Jesus Himself was in the garden of Gethsemane on the night before He was to suffer and die on that old rugged cross for sinners like you and me, three times He begged His Father to let the cup pass from Him, but He prayed "Not my will, but Yours be done."

Actually in her worship set after this happened, Kalley prayed that “if not, I will still praise you”. I think there is a lot happening that isn’t covered by news stories.

@@julianneging4340 Thank you for clarifying this. This is important information to know. I will continue to pray for this family and for all of us who are watching on the stand by. I hope we are praying more than we are commenting. Blessings

@@julianneging4340 they are broadcasting everything! They are calling her spirit back to the body! I don't feel confortable with that!

@@julianneging4340 as a worshiper, an intercessor , an artist what else would she be doing at a time like this? As a public figure she is processing her grief in public and has invited the world to join her in the process. I loved her music years ago when I used to follow Bethel and I am heartbroken for her loss. Now I Pray that her faith endures as the living God of the bible continues to reveal himself to her and those who are following bethel's false teachings, that this heartbreak would lead them all to the true Jesus.

@@isabelamesquita9666 , sister, hasnt the Lord told us to raise the dead?

Wow! Amazing testimony!! So sorry for your loss and broken heart through all of that. So glad God walked y’all through it to the right church!!

Cruelty at its worst.and they are supposed to be Christians?

Brother and sister look forward to seeing you and knowing you in heaven. Praise God for your faithfulness. For showing in Faith the value of our king despite the afflictions of this world. Can't wait to see the reunion at the feast.

Michael Muriett amen! And I’m so sorry about your son. Without true faith in the REAL Christ, I don’t know how these poor parents get through this. But what they’re commanding isn’t the real Christ

Michael Muriet, I was faced with the same situation when my husband died suddenly and unexpectedly. There and then I realised that God had called him home and I had to yield to His sovereign will. To decree resurrection would have been blasphemous.

That's true strength, and peace shining from you.

@@gabymeyer8003 Death is no fun and the sudden loss of your husband appears to be very painful to you. However by the definition blasphemy it is not applicable in this situation. We need to stay in context even when we do not agree. We can not paint every wall with strong words to portray our disagreement. That is not what blasphemy means whether or not we agree. Again, not to be irrelevant of the loss of your spouse.

I am with you I also lost my child and he assured me he had her so so surely his comfort was so evident he is faithful i dont understand but we will someday God bless you my brother im praying they will hear the Lords will in this

Amen

It is refreshing.

That's a great story, but only your personal experience. The prophet Elisha heard nothing from the Lord concerning the Shunnamite woman's son. In fact, he said "The Lord has hidden it from me". He clearly didn't know what to do. But his persistence was rewarded and he raised him from the dead. Your story is nice but it does not establish the principle that you have to hear from God in order to raise the dead. The scripture, as I have just demonstrated, shows that you can raise the dead with Compassion and perseverance alone. God bless.

Maya David Wow. Thank you for sharing your testimony! God is so amazing!!!!

Maya David yes thank you so much for sharing your testimony,every relationship is different,and your experience was for your strengthening,to confirm to you that God see’s and God hears, and He has your son in His care during that fragile time,praise and glory to the Living God.

My daughter a church pastor ,n missionary in Ephesus ,Turkey a few years ,but the cancer returned after receiving Radiation treatment at the cancer hospital . it was a sudden e vac home ...and in 3 weeks on arriving here she sadly passed ..but many of us with the home church believed by faith she would not die and we all did all that faith in Jesus required in prayer and the word of faith believing ..we stood strong ..but her healing was meant to be fulfilled on the other side ...the Lord revealed a word.. that it was good with him to complete her healing .. in his way .. in his kingdom ..they had many plans and did establish a c hurch there and she left her footprints in many places in that nation and home in Ephesus was very special as Mary s house is located there and the ruins of the earl y church history is still being uncovered its is like a picture of ...Mountains of spices ..waiting its life ..we were sad to cut short the time there.. but the Lord is raising up a stronger national church for the times ahead as pastors n missionaries from Iran and other near nations do pass through for refreshing .. n her time was an effected service in the Lord ..and we are thankful to have been a small part of His church and her life n ministry ... her mom KEY have to say ... raising dead is common in China underground church and also in Africa and India it takes faith for the people to bring their dead to any meeting and wait believing for that miracle maybe we should all judge less and believe more.... Jesus can and Will ..do anything ..even move mountains .. when believed in ...watch this next generation move out in Jesus fiery kind of faith .. were either hot or cold ..

Lovely testimony. Jesus said "I do that which I see my Father do." Jesus was so I'm sync with the Father that He could never fail. It's the best position to operate from though hard. However, there's also the "gift of faith." God can give a tremendous faith for a situation and that always works. Jesus also said in other places, that they may see and glorify the Father..." Takeaway? Motive is everything. Who's being glorified. Mt. 18:19. Touching and agreeing is also a Biblical position. Either way these false teachers misrepresented what's happening at Bethel or any other church that seems to manifest Christ. The spirit of Antichrist is already in the world said John. I dare say it's more in the church than in the world and it's hiding in people like these who contradict the work of Calvary and of Christ who showed no weakness. Here's a bitter pill for us church. Jesus rebuked his own disciples when they couldn't cast out a devil. Be rebuked!! Don't explain it away, own it and go seek God!!! Peradventure He'll show up again in our midst and shut people mouths. One cripple answered the critics, "I don't know who He is... All I know is I was sick and now I'm healed." These kinds of testimonies wilk shut people like Costi and other weak Gospel perpetrators. I'm livid with holy lividity that God's people can't see what outright in the Bible. Read last words of Jesus. Raising the dead in Biblical!!!! Mark16: 15....

That's so disheartening and what you've said reminds me of Matthew 24:11, where we're warned by Jesus Himself that many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Also, while Marty is still alive, there's still time for him to truly repent and turn back to the Lord.

Yes. Very true. Who wants to come back to earth after experiencing Heaven.

Exactly!

Mc Ren ...what is the Pearl of great price?

And yet both Jesus and the apostles felt different on the subject on a few occasions.

Amen! Exactly!

Sister, would you not have felt uneasy when the disciples heard that Peter was in a nearby city and refused to bury the body of Dorcas so that he can come to pray for her? would it not have been unsettling that the Body of Christ in Joppa would expect Dorcas to come back to life? if we were believers in those days, would we have criticized peter for even thinking he is thinking he is some god? should we stop praying ? should we consider something is impossible once it appears like it is too difficult in our sight? Should we not pray for the sick to be healed because we prayed for someone and they were not healed? how can we even trust that the bible is true if the things that are recorded in it should not be expected in our day? Does Peter have a different kind of salvation from us? Is Paul God's favourite? The disciples encountered a child that was having serious epileptic fits and they tried to heal the child but they didn't succeed. Jesus rebuked them, not for trying to cast the devil out but for not casting the devil out. then asked him, why they couldn't do it. did he seize the moment to remind them that they are mere mortals and they should not consider that they could do such things? NO!!! He showed them what could have been missing and why they couldn't. Did he make a mockery of them? did he ridicule them for trying? did he call them names? When Peter decided to walk on water and he tried and walked a little bit and sank was it time for Jesus to remind him not to ever consider himself as special as the son of God? should we stop pressing for things because we are not seeing them. and like many have pointed out, Bill clearly spelt out his position and his biblical view on this but I think people who are prejudiced already will believe what they chose to believe about him and the Bethel church. LET'S LET LOVE RULE US

Our God is a God of miracles.. all glory goes to Him alone.

Agreed!

RedHatPat I agree. To me, it seems more about them (Bethel/Bethel’s platform) than Jesus and His gospel.

Spot on!!

Absolutely they seek fame and fortune for selves. wouldnt be surprised if this child is not even passed which will definately expose them for who they are once and for all.If wrong please show me Father, however they have pushed so many false "prophets" its a joke.

Natalie Nubukpo You should believe in the resurrection. When Jesus returns.

Natalie Nubukpo, if you actually stood up for the written Word of God then you would stand against these heretics and false prophets at Bethel, who are Satan’s minions masquerading as ministers of righteousness. God’s Word says HIS WILL BE DONE, NOT OUR WILL! Did you overlook that scripture? We don’t command God to do what we want done, we trust in Him when His will is done even though it’s contrary to what we were hoping for. His ways are not our ways, and His thoughts are not our thoughts, because He is perfect in all His ways and greater than us. Bethel charges people tuition to go to their school to learn to become prophets and apostles. Where in God’s Word do you read of the Old Testament prophets or the apostles going to a school to learn to prophesy and perform miracles? NOWHERE!! Because you CAN’T LEARN the gifts that COME FROM GOD. These charlatans prey on the biblically illiterate. God’s Word is our only authority and we are told to TEST EVERYTHING AGAINST THE SCRIPTURES. These wolves in sheep’s clothing focus on signs and miracles because they are preparing the masses to accept the lying signs and wonders from the false prophet that will cause people to worship the Antichrist and take the mark of the beast, and they will spend eternity in Hell because they didn’t love God enough to study the Bible. God gave us His truth in the scriptures, and it’s our responsibility to study God’s Word to know HIS TRUTH. Do you know they preach a false Christ who was only a man and Bill Johnson teaches Jesus emptied Himself of His divinity? That’s completely OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE SCRIPTURES SAY. What saith the scriptures? “Without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: that GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, received up into glory”, 1 Timothy 3: 16. Acts 20: 28 says the church is purchased with THE BLOOD OF GOD. The scriptures declare Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, so Bill Johnson of Bethel is a liar who preaches a false Jesus that CAN’T SAVE ANYONE. Only faith in the true Jesus Christ of the Bible saves. Jesus warns us that in the end times false prophets and false Christs would deceive many and cause many to turn away from the truth of God’s Word. That’s what you see happening, the great falling away foretold in 2 Thessalonians 2. And because they didn’t love the truth which is God’s written Word, and they didn’t read the Word of God, God sends them strong delusion so they will believe the lie and be damned for eternity. I stand up for the TRUTH OF GOD’S WORD, and I stand against the liars and deceivers in the pulpits! That’s what standing up for God’s Word is, you expose the lies of those who are claiming to be ministers of righteousness, but are actually workers of darkness who teach lies that are not in alignment with what God says in His Holy Scriptures. God’s Word commands us to expose these frauds who are workers of darkness. *”For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”* - Hebrews 4: 12.

Rejoice and Praise Jesus Christ, King of kings! Amen!! Praise the lion of the tribe of Judah!! Praise the King of King’s and Lord of Lord’s. Glory to Jesus the lamb who was slain for the sins of those who would believe in him! Keep fighting the good fight my sister! Grace and peace to you and the forgiveness that comes from Christ death on the cross.

Thank you Natalie. There is nothing in the Bible that says miracles are not for today. Like you, I'm praying for things in my life that seem impossible to others too but they are possible to me. I will not be cowed by unbelieving believers. I stand upon the word of God.

Jimmy M that’s not what mark 16 says brother.

Could you tell me where in the Bible it says that God resurrects people immediately after they die? I am well aware of the passage of the second resurrection. But could you share me the biblical text that says that she is already resurrected?

I agree totally with you in this, Michelle! My heart breaks that rather than stand up for people who are believing in a God of miracles, we would rather put them down for their faith and bring disunity throughout the body. Even Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were not "sure" God would intervene for them but put their faith in God anyway. Daniel 3 17 says, "If this be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of your hand, O king. 18 But if not..." So they put their trust in God even while not sure that anything would happen. The fact that Bethel "family" all around are trying to raise a little girl from the dead should ENCOURAGE our faith to do the same and more, so it is sad that rather than stand with the Bethel "family" all over the world, we would try to distance ourselves as if God is "not into people showing faith". MY HEART BREAKS NOT ONLY FOR THE FAMILY BUT FOR THE CHURCH AS A WHOLE THAT WE ARE SO DISMEMBERED, THAT WE ATTACK OUR OWN MEMBERS WHO ARE TRYING TO ACT IN FAITH TOWARD OUR MIGHTY GOD. When people in the Olympics or sports try something and fail, we encourage them to "try again and to succeed", yet in the church, we shoot our own wounded and scoff at their attempts to try something out of the ordinary. My heart is grieved at the whole church body that we are not yet "one in Christ" and that we "eat" our own body like cannibals!

CHARADE can be defined as Travesty. With that in mind, the faulty doctrine that Bethel promotes IS a TRAVESTY. a misapplication of the Scripture has had devastating repercussions in people's lives. I would strongly encourage you to 2 Tim.2:15 & James 1:25.

The leadership of bethel knows this is a charade whether the followers do or don’t, that’s the saddest part about this.

Totally agree Michelle and Only Him4Me.

Michelle Onuorah Yes. REPENT for your language, for crying out loud! We are fellow members of God’s family with these people!

No one at bethel thinks anyone is immortal. So everyone who dies is orchestrated by God? So what about murders? Genocides? Did God orchestrate those? Should we not protect life then, if everything is God’s will?

Kaitlyn Flippin but it was their time to die. Whatever circumstance, that is your appointed time. It doesn’t matter how, it’s your appointed time and nothing can change that. They don’t know that her time wasn’t over. It’s sad that she died so young but she was called home. She is with Jesus now.

Kaitlyn Flippin god didn’t cause the death but not everyone will have a pleasant peaceful death.even in the last days, martyrs will be present.

You do realize that Jesus came to earth with one purpose, right? Are you saying that God killed a two year old because Jesus' blood wasn't enough?

@@7matt5 Matthew 5 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

@@7matt5 John 9 1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

@@7matt5 Why so quick to make false accusations? All things happen to reveal TRUTH, it makes obvious the false brethren, wolves in sheep's clothing, the selfish doesn't it. JESUS CHRIST WILL be done not our own. LIGHT of TRUTH reveals, darkness lies conceal. Who is the accuser of the brethren again? To be absent from body is to be present with THE LORD. Selfish humans would rather a soul be here with us, than with ABBA LORD JESUS CHRIST in HEAVEN. Selfless not selfish, Matt LOVE YOU ALL JESUS CHRIST righteous conviction cleanses renews regenerates born again, adversarial accusatory condemnation dirt hurling destroys and degenerates

Correction and prayer are both beneficial, but there is a time and place for everything and when someone dies it is best to mourn with them as the Bible said, especially knowing it can be any of us and any time instead of feeling like people need our corrections at any time we deem necessary.

@A. Smith, so how do you explain our mandate to “Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons”?

@@ryanb3547 Did God give yóu that mandate, personally? In my personal relationship and intimate walk with God, He has given me one mandate: to be obedient to Him, to seek Him in everything I do. If God specifically leads me to pray for someone who has died, I will surely do it. But just like Jesus said of His own ministry and miracles, I won't do a thing out of my own if my Father in Heaven does not Will it so. Getting to know the God we serve and what His Will for us is, personally, requires more than fragmented scriptures without context taken from all over the New Testament. Everything Jesus said was based on the foundation of the theology already revealed to the Jews up to that time and without that context our own theology and understanding of mandate in our lives is very easily skewed. If a worship leader asks me to pray for the resurrection of their child, I will first seek God's Will before praying according to a specific agenda. If Holy Spirit leads me, then I will join the prayer for resurrection, but I won't just pray it unthinkingly without seeking God first of all.

Micah So very well said! Alas it is not our faith that can raise the dead, it is His faith alone that can do so and the Spirit distributes that gift of faith as He wills for His specific purposes according to His will. I’ve seen Him do amazing things through my hands but man oh man am I in error if I were to believe that somehow my own human faith can make that happen, no, rather the gift of faith is given to operate another given gift. It’s His show and His Glory through and through. Praise Jesus!!!!

@Micah, if Jesus is God, then yes. It is straight out of the mouth of Jesus in scripture. Scripture also states that we should know the will of God. Do I need to pray before loving my neighbor? No. We already know this is what we have been commanded to do. Does this mean I don’t pray? Certainly not, but I won’t allow my own personal thoughts to influence what I know God’s will already is.

OH, that gets them off the hook then

The issue here is one, the language they use. Commanding God when we don’t have that power or authority not even the most holy sanctified person. Two, people start saying “oh well God can bring her back” and yes he can but we forget that what we want and what God wants, our plans vs his plans are not the same Isaiah 55:8. We want things or ask for things to happen when we haven’t even asked God if that’s his will. We do things thinking we are doing his will but we never took the time to ask God. Thirdly, what happens to those who see all of this in the case that the girl stays dead, what happens to the weak of faith or those who were getting close and after this experience they stray? What happens to those who say “oh it will his glory that she didn’t resurrected” but again they don’t know his will. But they act like it’s nothing.

@@Pineapplelesspineapplepizza "Commanding God when we don’t have that power or authority not even the most holy sanctified person." Amen and Amen!!

They can say God gets the glory but like costi said what kind of image of God does these shennanigans put in the minds and thoughts of believers and unbelievers as well. How long will it be before the parents and others eventually walk away because God did not do what they wanted? What about the guilt satan will put in peoples lives because the child wasnt raised , like maybe i didnt have enough faith. Why did'nt they fund the family instead of a go fund me. What if she had been raised and then church members went and tried to do miracles and could'nt , wouldnt that put in those people minds that im less than because i couldnt do like the church leaders do? Would that not then cause people to walk away because they were not super christians like the leadership. This is reckless theology. I cant even lay all the blame on the church leaders, because the people in the seats have the responsibility for reading and studying the word and rightly dividing the word. If the people did that there would not be so many people left at bethel

@ Alma Torlage Excellent point & observation!

I thought about that.

What’s more, “Then (Jesus) warned the disciples that they should tell no one that He was the Christ.” Matthew 16:20. But what does that, and Jesus telling the beneficiaries of his miracles not to tell anyone, have to do with this. Do you really think that for the Bethel community this is about putting on “a public show” ?

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Alma Torlage The great resurrection of Lazarus was so public and shocking! Shocking enough that the Jews wanted to kill both Jesus and Lazarus. Jesus made miracles sometimes in public and sometimes in private. It only shows that he has multiple ways of doing things. Please read the scriptures more carefully. God bless

Angel Sanders amen

Completely agree

Thank you, Angel.

Yes,yes, yes!!!!

You’re missing the point completely. The issue is not in believing that in Jesus name miracles can be done. The issue is in the way they frame their prayer commanding God to do what they ask. No one, no human can ever command God nor do they have that power or authority over him to do so. Plus, we are ignoring something big that only someone spiritually mature would know, have you asked God if it’s his will that she will rise? Have you prayed for his will and plan to be made clear and manifest in this situation? A Christian just coming to Jesus prays by asking what they want and someone with more experience in the spirit will pray for his will. Isaiah 55:8 is very clear that his thoughts vs ours are not the same. It’s not wrong to pray and have faith in miracles but it’s wrong to assume Gods will.

Thank you!!!!

Andrew Eppes I totally agree

Andrew Eppes they actually did say at one point “it’s already been promised”. I don’t remember which post, but I absolutely did read that.

Amen! It reminds me alot of Hezekiah, who turned his face to the wall and wept bitterly when he was told he would die. But then God had mercy and healed him because of his tears... but, it may have been better he had died because of the wickedness of the son he ended up having in those extra years he was granted.

Well said!

Annette Wright exactly! He was supposed to die at an appointed time but wanted more years. Ended up birthing some of the worst kings. In the words of the late Pastor Myles Monroe, dir when you’re supposed to.

tyisha Stephen Interesting that during his time of life that was extended to him, that he fathered one of the most wicked kings. He should have accepted his up coming death and asked the Lord for forgiveness..

Heresy? I don’t think so. I think your mistaking gods omniscience, for his will. Many things happen outside the will of god. Please don’t think because bad things happen it’s gods will. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. And brother please understand I’m not hear to argue, I just don’t ever want our good father to take be labeled the thief.

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Jo Kiely the first day I wasn’t sure of the circumstances I didn’t know if she was on life support in the hospital or what not once I started getting more info and seeing the mom and everyone else still going it I got real uncomfortable with it...something is off and I just can’t shake the sick feeling in my stomach I get when I read comments and think about it...I truly feel sorry for this family..but this is off.

Same! I felt like I was crazy when people around me kept posting positively about it. It made me feel weirder by the day that that poor girl wasn’t laid to rest as she should have been.

Exactly!! Thanks for letting me know I’m not the only one that thought the same! (At one pointe i was somehow discouraged that I may have so little faith) but the more i think about it the more it feels odd and strange. Who are we to say someone’s life is not done yet? If it’s God’s plan, we need to honour His plan! Thank God that someone is speaking the truth!!

How many days did Jesus leave Lazarus in the tomb before He came. If it had of been day one they would have said, oh he wasn't really dead you know, and on and on it goes. If God has spoken and instigated this for His reasons, then who am I to argue / cut it off. We will see, as it unfolds and pray for God's will to be done. 💙

Jesus did not say to go get the pharisees and sadducees and roman authorities and the fly in celebrities and bring a PR firm on staff and alert the media so I can raise Lazarus from the dead. Are they trying to bully God into submitting to their will? Testimony was enough for Jesus. To God alone be glory.

Linemans Wife that is what I have been thinking about how exciting for her to be in the arms of Jesus and being there experiencing heaven. Why would they ask her to come back?

I would’ve liked to see the child raised just so that God would allow them to be blinded more in themselves. But at the same time we were all people to be saved!

Kate B, could you say which part, is incorrect? Thank you and Merry CHRISTmas!

I know they have the Gospel and sensitivity. They want people to be free from this New Apostolic Reformation. It's rampant in the churches in the U.S. and other countries too. The umbrella of the people and organizations is so inclusive they feed off each other, promoting each other, backing each others stories, which are questionable at best but usually obvious lies, totally not Biblical.

How do you know the parents aren’t grieving? Have you had personal contact with them? What scripture says they have to grieve like the world? What if the joy of seeing her again one day in heaven is in their hearts and minds! Would that break your heart?

R. Whitaker watch his response is full of Heresy and takes verses out of content And push false theology

@@rocketadmincy6255 I did watch it. I saw nothing heretical. And he is not "pushing" anything. You are free to believe what you want to believe,as is everyone else.

Seriously? Isn't that illegal?

Serious ? 😬😬

My thoughts exactly. And every day that goes by this gets more bizarre.

Kristi Evans that’s exactly right. She’s already with God.

At this point kristi, it is starting to make me feel sick. I’m grieving for them. The parents haven’t even started grieving, I’m afraid.

Brooke Perkins me, too. I pray that this little girl’s earthly departure is ultimately used by God to wake these people up. This mother wasn’t a regular ole parishioner in Bethel. She’s a singer in their mega-band. I pray this wakes them to the false apostle, Bill Johnson’s, teachings. If Jesus’ name doesn’t cause Olive to come outta that grave, as a mantra, maybe they’ll actually take solace in God’s Word as they try to understand why this could happen to the child of one so “anointed”.

Kristi Evans Did they Say the Body was Autopsied????

I can relate with what you shared. I attended a WOF & P teaching church for a number of years. Did not know what NAR was until the explanation on someone's YT channel and read one book about it. I would like to read Holly Pivec's recent book on NAR. Are you familiar with The Messed Up Church or F4F (Fighting For Faith)? God bless your journey in sound Biblical truth. I am still learning by throwing out the bad theology. 😉🙏📖

It's not just "their perspective", it's scripture.

Agree. That's the way it was back at my old church, blaming it on the backwash of those that are countering their faith.

Then don't invite the whole Christian Church to participate in your faith endeavors.

@@lawrdorwoudenberg1753 I don't know where you get this from?

@@shekinahjosh Lawrdor Woudenberg wrote: "Then don't invite the whole Christian Church to participate in your faith endeavors." Joshua Pettigrew wrote: "@Lawrdor Woudenberg I don't know where you get this from?" It's actually the very thing Jesus practiced when raising the damsel in Mark 5:35-43. Mark 5:35: While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further? 36: As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe. He suffered no man to follow him save Peter, James and John. Mark 5:37: And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James. 38: And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. 39: And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. He put all of them out that were making a tumult, weeping and wailing and only allowed the father, the mother, Peter, James and John to enter with him where the damsel was lying. Mark 5:40: And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. Without the great fan fair and hyperventilating proclamations: Jesus commands the damsel to arise. Mark 5:41: And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise. Immediately after speaking the words, the damsel rises from the dead and immediately walks. Mark 5:42: And straightway the damsel arose, and walked; for she was of the age of twelve years. And they were astonished with a great astonishment. After raising the damsel, Jesus charges them to not publish or go on a marketing campaign to publish the resurrection of the damsel. Mark 5:43: And he charged them straitly that no man should know it; and commanded that something should be given her to eat. SoLawrdor Woudenberg's statement: "Then don't invite the whole Christian Church to participate in your faith endeavors." is both correct and biblical.

@@scotttovey I agree with you. There's a handful of voyeuristic people in most congregations. For really intense intercession that isn't double-minded, organise a separate event and teach participants the parameters and protocol of sober intercession

Carrie Flanagan has to

I agree with you because I see what you're saying, but you have to remember that Bethel had already made Olive's death public on their page. They put it all on display themselves.

2 Timothy 3:12-14 12 Indeed, all who desire to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, 13 while evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, knowing from whom you learned it

Amen!

Thank you

They look like they don't trust God's decision.

They are trying to raise olive from the dead! They aren't praying for her they are worshipping God and then they pray for her dead body to raise and show the miracles of God. It's wrong.

I think the problem is is that bethels main focus and priority is on works and spiritual experiences over the preaching of the gospel and teaching sound doctrine.

@@xxCeCexx14 what I trully want and I like to ask God is to fill me with the knowledge of his will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives. So that way I'll do everything by his will... Its just that many times we try to make templates of the way God works, I think we shouldn't do that and bethel should not do that, if there was a ritual of how to heal people and how to raise the dead people would trust in the ritual and own self and not God, that's why I prefer to do nothing that God doesn't send me to do, if it is his will I will do it!

It's easier to avoid that word because then it will involve us getting to build our Faith and wait on God. Thanks for this response

believe that was about the Apostles . Someone help me out if I'm wrong there ❤

@@timsharpe6652 You are exactly correct, that is why it hasn't happened since them.

J.j. Martin: That was a command directed only to the Apostles.

Wait have you asked yourself..Jesus CHrist was righteous ..Paul was serious about his walk with Jesus Christ.strived for eternity.this musicians are selling God through albums...🤔🤔🤔🤔 and want to raise the dead?

Ryan Inskeep I have this scripture reference engraved on my parents’ headstone. 💕

@@beachblond1968 it's one of the most comforting scripture's in the bible for me.

My wife and I have had experience with the Pentecostal Church, where she has been blamed for her disability. Not praying hard enough, not enough faith in her for healing, etc. At the local Christian book shop, more well meaning people see her wheelchair and stop us, to offer prayer. At the other end of the spectrum, we have met rigid (physically and religiously) people who show no empathy and are driven to tell everyone that they do not believe in miracles of any kind. The last part of the verse that you quoted, and similar verses that come to mind, tell us to "comfort them." Sound doctrine, wise counsel, great. Comfort them. Keeping in mind that they're still cradling the corpse of their little girl. Great verse to ponder on

Ryan Inskeep Amen

Ryan Inskeep that’s it. That’s the scripture which tells us that death is real and so is the resurrection at the sound of the last trumpet.

I pray the same. I had a "come to Jesus" moment (or several moments) where he led me away from the wrong teachings like Bethel and others. He is able.

Jack O’Connor The Family Requested this!!!

Sherry ONeill oh I know.. 😐😐😐😐😐 it’s what they are taught

This is what I know after being a member of Bethel for 12 years. They have the wrong focus. Everything is about Jesus and what he did on the cross so that we can have eternal life. That's it. Bethel's entire philosophy rests on one scripture outside of the entire context of the Bible. John 14:12. Bill Johnson believes and has said that this truth (this scripture) is more true than other truths that are in the Bible. That's dangerous territory right there. Bill also believes and has stated that God is not in control but in charge. We are to be in control of who lives, who gets healed, it all rests on our shoulders. They are praying for their wiil for Olive to be raised. And everything you're believing to be true about Bethel Church is a very crafty lie and a deception

@@erichamstad5004 never had a belief ab Bethel Church. Just know....God is still on the throne and still in control and does still heal through people and prayer. Not a defense for Bethel Church. Just agree that Olive can be healed.

Have you listened to any if the teachings or are you just judging? I have. I have listened to many of the teachings and every one Is biblically based

@john paul, that's judgement right there ^^

We are no where to judge Bethel!!

elsa blue not everyone is meant to be resurrected. We are called to be like Jesus and raise the dead. This is faith moving mountains, satans gonna come, but we stand firm on the word of god.

elsa blue do you believe God raised Lazarus, and the little girl in the Bible? If so why wouldn’t he not be the same god then as now? He’s able to do it. This is moving to not just her parents and her churches souls but thousands of hundreds of people!! There’s gonna be satan talking through people, but that alright bc god is gonna do it! He’s FAITHFUL. He’s the same yesterday, today, & FOREVER.

@@averycrenshaw4347 thats exactly what i said sometimes he does sometimes he has them and hes keeping them in heaven for example my child! Of course i know he can and does but we also need to listen to God he may be saying " she is home with me " he has a purpose for everything many may be learning that whether we get what we want or not He is still Almighty God and our ways are not His ways

@@averycrenshaw4347 avery im sorry i didnt mean to sound like God wouldnt ir couldnt raise olive of course he can my point was to listen to God sometimes its a clear I have her home with me so i was sayi g they need to know His will in this

@@averycrenshaw4347 exactly what i said was of course God can and still does raise people but we need to listen to God he may be saying no I have olive she is home with me! I merely said we need to ask Him and then listen to Him ! I am a big believer in miracles ive been a spirit filled believer 40 years he can and does do any and everything so all i said was sometimes we need to listen!!!!!!

There just needs to be massive correction in the Body of Christ either through church leaders or God's sovereign hand. I am still a little confused with Bethel. But either way massive correction needs to go throughout the whole Body so there is not division or confusion over false doctrine.

The thing is many of the Bethel camp may be reading the Bible daily...But the problem is they are not understanding and interpreting the Bible correctly...Mainly because they have believed the theology of their false teachers....

the mark of a cult... their own bible.

Is it in their bookstore?

This is new to me. Have a link?

Not quite true. Brian Simmons is the translator of The Passion. He’s not a member of Bethel. Yes, it’s fully endorsed by Bill Johnson, but it’s not a “Bethel” product. Say what you like about Bethel, Bill, Brian or The Passion, but saying Bethel have “their own” bible is deceptive.

Ryan B you’re splitting hairs. Simmons isn’t a member of Bethel, but let’s be clear about where Bill stands. “One of the greatest things to happen with Bible translation in my lifetime.” Bill Johnson He preaches from it and REALLY encourages its purchase and use. And it IS a different Bible. I’d be uncomfortable calling it a paraphrase, even. Yet, Bill heavily endorses and uses it. The point stands.

Joshua told the sun to stand still.....and it did. If nothing else in your life happens at least think outside the box. Smith Wigglesworth stood up dead Corpses and commanded them to walk in the name of Jesus after they fell several times he kept doing it until it happened. The choice is ours. Their mistake was they put it to the public and all the naysayers started speaking! Show me any scripture where Jesus left a child dead.

Which biblical statement in this video did you disagree with or find biblically incorrect, and upon what basis? Give the time stamp. (You know you didn't even watch it.)

Yesica1993 I watched the whole thing, just a couple of people who open their bibles but don’t live scripture. I actually heard nothing stated in scripture but opinions and judgment instead of wanting to understand the situation. Also the community has been super helpful and grieve the loss of the little girl. We arnt insensitive. Yes it might have gone a bit too far with individuals broadcasting the events. But we believed for a miracle and it didn’t happen however it grew our faith and brought us together even stronger as a local church family

@@Yesica1993 Please stop being so high and mighty and superior and judgemental, all in the name of the Lord. This comment was not about biblical statements, time stamps, etc. He was commenting about the general lack of knowledge of what happened locally. The Bible says to cry with those who cry. Please show some compassion whether you agree with Bethel's position or not. Can you not conceive of the idea that sincere believers attend Bethel without knowing about the false teaching? They read comments like yours and are turned off immediately. How do you propose to win a brother over by mockery and hardheartedness?

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 yes.

So, now what?

Yes

You believe in a God who does not heal, which is unscriptural. No matter if God heals or not you have not gone to God about your critiques before cursing both a major ministry and a family who lost a little girl. You do not have the knowledge from God to speak on why or why not she died. Have you gone to God about it? I think not. There is a perversion here in the hearts of men who find joy in such sadness to watch a ministry not receive a miracle. Oh ye of little faith to preach an ugly God who wishes death on children. Be careful as God does not appreciate the other side of the coin-which leads people into misery, not comfort-and atheism so that you can feel superior in your celebration of death. Seek your deliverance.

@@blueorangeblossom a major false ministry

@@blueorangeblossom bethel preaches many heresies. These reformed calvinists guys as well. God still heals, if He wants, when He wants. Yes we should pray for healing and trust for healing etc. But all should be according to scripture. Whatever you believe or I or these guys, may our hearts be right.

Exactly, Michel! I said the same thing in my comment!

No, they accurate represent what is taught at Bethel. Bethel's doctrine, right out of the mouth of Bill Johnson, is that Jesus was ONLY human and had set aside his divinity when he took on a human body, thus anything Jesus could do as a man we can also do. This is Heresy on many levels. Bethel's (and NAR) doctrines are doctrines of demons. They distort and twist scripture, the quote scripture out of context, they produced a corrupted and highly inaccurate Bible that supports their doctrines, and they have done all of it with full knowledge and understanding of what they are doing. They are way beyond the levels of "in house" disagreement of non-essential doctrines, they are way beyond apostates, they are full blown Heretics.

@@moose9906 totally disagree. On the contrary, Bethel's operating mindset and spirit is from a heart of compassion to dying and sick world. I don't see compassion in the lives of these types of false teachers on this tape. They send more time criticizing others. Meanwhile the world is going to hell and in need of of a manifestation of sons (Rom.8;19) which is what Bethel is contending for. If these mean prayed for even a minute, they would hear the spirit say, "break your set and go preach Christ and heal the sick." How God is grieved by this!!!☹️☹️☹️

Pray for them instead of thinking your words will change their mind when you lack the ability to properly reason and only can manage to judge and correct. We all believe things for different types of reasons, maybe you could try praying for yourself and wisdom and then reach out

I also live in the Bethel Redding area and Colts like this may God look really bad and people don't know the difference we are in the times of the Antichrist Satan has snuck into religion long long ago and he is very good at it and he doesn't stop for a minute remember only a few stay on that narrow path that leads to everlasting life if you study at really hard you will find that religion is chasing after the wrong Jesus for instance Sunday worship Easter worship Christmas worship pre-trib rapture Doctrine once saved always saved Doctrine all of these are doctrines from hell and worship the wrong Jesus these doctrines are God's greatest enemies those who worship must Worship in spirit and in truth that's what Jesus told us and he also told us see to it that you be not deceived and he said because they don't love the truth did rather believe the lie and he turns them over to a reprobate mind I can't emphasize this enough if your church has any lies in it run get out and take as many people as you can with you Jesus does not hang out in the traditions of man and he cannot hang out with any lies he just can't do it

@@ASmith-jn7kf you should practice what you are preaching.

@@richardthompson3657 The problem is that all churches have some error in doctrine or theology in their beliefs and practices. Where exactly will we run to. Another church that believes that they have the best and most complete truth?

@@lindamew626 we hang on to Jesus and we hang on to the Bible if religion has failed we just have to tighten up our belt and preach the truth I don't want to go to false Church just because it's a church true Church is in the heart of the believer not in a building

Exactly.

Their god is not the God of heaven. Their god is their faith.

what is wrong believing God for a miracle? When did the Bible say there are limits to faith?

sorry for posting this but I think it is not appropriate that we just assume someone's motive because of certain prejudices some people portray towards a certain church

If you were in this couple position what would you do, This is the God of the bible. I lost twin daughters l wish my church would have had such faith

Some people do go to church leaders for prayer in an emergency rather than a hospital.

Yep bethel students failed to call ambulance for 13 year old athsma attack victim boy in Reading CA in 2014 and prayed instead. RIP

@@justmorenoise Oh my Gosch so sad 😞

happiness Hi, yes I am sure lots of people go to a church and it’s ministers for healing. But, my point is that there’s so many charlatans in the faith healing business, and believe me this is a business for some of them. So, sick and vulnerable people who are so desperately seeking a healing at the hands of God, end up walking away from a service desperately believing their cancer has been cured. So, they stop their treatments because, if they don’t, it would show a lack of faith and they won’t be healed. Sadly, they die a few months later. I have heard Benny Hinn say recently, that this has happened so many times during his own crusades. God is Good, He is Good all the time no matter how we feel or what our circumstances are! But He heals people by so many different methods, He created intelligent human beings who have been able to study and learn what medications and treatments will cure, or at least extend a persons life. So, we can see Him at work in all aspects of healing. I can give a personal example, I grew up in a family where mental health problems were rife, my mum suffered from OCD as did one of my sisters who was 2 years older than me. As a direct result of my mums OCD I developed a food phobia and by the time I was 14 I had a nervous breakdown. I spent 6 months in an adolescent psychiatric hospital. But, 6 months after I was discharged, I started to have panic attacks again and I knew that I could be ill again so very quickly, as I was still struggling with my food phobia. So, I got my school Bible and I prayed so hard for God’s help. I started to reading through the Gospels, I don’t doubt I was Holy Spirit led to St. John chapter 14. I read in the first verse “Let not your heart be troubled, ye believe in God, believe also in me” I read that Christ said “if you ask anything in my name that will I do”. So, I knew the love of God for the first time. Christ promised to send the “Comforter” who is the Holy Spirit to Live within a believer and He would teach us and “bring all things to our remembrance”. So, I knew that God couldn’t and wouldn’t lie!! My fear and panic left me immediately! I actually received the Peace that God promised. So yes, God can most certainly heal a believer. But, it’s important to seek forgiveness from God and seek healing too, both at the hands of God, and at the hands of doctors! Your life is not just precious to you it’s precious to God, and He wouldn’t condemn anyone for seeking healing at the hands of doctors too!!! I was given a King James Bible in 1972 by the education authority when I started secondary school at 12 years old. The name for the Holy Spirit in this translation is the Comforter and this is the most beautiful and appropriate name for the third person of the trinity! So, I have never changed from this translation.

Always go to God right away.

Amen!!!

And yet it is also written that the Spirit would bring life to our mortal bodies. Romans 8:11. 🙂

@@RSMunchel "If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you." Jesus did not return to the same physical body He inhabited before His death. He was the first to receive the new, perfect body, that same new body all believers will receive after we are resurrected. He was hardly recognized by those who knew Him and walked with Him intimately, because of this. Thus Laura Clarke's statement still holds true and Rom. 8:11 supports this. We will all be be resurrected with new bodies just as Jesus was the first to be. But this earth, this body, it is so very finite and yet we live as if this is all that matters and all that we desire.

Amen ! All glory be to God thank You Jesus !!!!

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Me too! Nobody wants to speak against them! And it scares me

Isabela M Jesus wants to know how are you loving them ?

I think the GoFundMe is intended to cover the unexpected expenses. That also kind of flies in the face of their theology (name it and claim it, they are a debt-free zone, manifesting miracles and money, etc.). It's all so sad. The church should be walking alongside them in their grief. No one should have to face tragedy, let alone face tragedy without the hope of the resurrection in Christ.

Good question.

I’m not sure about the go fund me deal, but Jesus said that we would do greater things than he ever did and we believe Jesus lives inside of us so I’m not sure why there’s discussion about Bill Johnson thinking he’s greater than Jesus? He’s not even the one running the show, the girls parents are the ones who have faith for this and he’s agreeing with them in prayer.

@@tarasnyder2126 really? Funny, I haven't head about lots of resurrected people running around. As to Bill Johnson, he is the lead pastor of Bethel Church, and is whipping up his congregation to support this nonsense. But please get back to me next week, when this child still hasn't been "resurrected" - as in walking around on earth again.

@@aspasialogica3058 A lot of the dead running around, it is happening in other countries who have a whole difference level of faith then here in the states. And it appears Bethel spoke and teach about what happens if it doesn't occur. God is still Good. Jesus said we should do more then He did and He did what the Father did. Jesus raised the dead. Recall Jesus did and said some things in his day, that many religious people where like, He is crazy. Remember when Jesus told them to eat his body. So we say, if Jesus was alive today we would believe Him unlike those religious people of his day. Really, would we? Remember, what good things comes from Nazareth. Because many didn't understand that was not originally his home country. There are so many examples. So again, today, many scoff and turn and say, its not God. Hmmm. makes one think.

YES YES YES. THANK YOU. My thoughts exactly.

The Lord defeats - not faith. He is the object of our faith.

Amen and Amen Maxine Buckman!!!! It's classic contradictory how these false teachers butcher scripture to fit their weeak Gospel.

So is it safer to do things that only we can control? I don’t want to follow a god who is only as big as my understanding and safety. He told us to do the impossible. He told us to raise the dead. That requires faith.

Kaitlyn Flippin Well, that’s essentially where we differ. I don’t believe He told *me* to raise the dead. I believe that instruction was given to the apostles to grow the church. God does not view death as we do. And so why then did Paul die? Peter? John? Anyone? When does it end?