Ep. 107 | Let’s Talk LPVO’s (Low Power Variable Optics) 

Also the gen 2 razors and psts have an extremely simple reticle

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It is easier to design a 2-10 zoom (5X zoom) than a 1-10 zoom (10X zoom). Unless you are comparing a 1X with a 2X side by side there is surprisingly little difference.

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It depends on what kind of competition you are shooting, right? An LPVO is not a good choice for PRS, but it is the go-to optic for 3-gun. They talk about this around 13:30 - the LPVO has to be an awesome performer on 1x. After that, the magnification gives you extra capability you won't get with a red dot. If you need adjustable "parallax" for your application an LPVO probably isn't the scope you need, you may be better suited with something in a higher magnification range.

@@dakotalawdog You make a reasonable point. My use case may be niche - UK Gallery Rifle. In this discipline we engage targets ranging from 10 to 100 meters. Sometimes we have several minutes to make dozens of shots and sometimes we are snap shooting at close distance with target exposures of a couple seconds or less. X-ring sizes are only a couple inch. Here the 1-N variable is invaluable, enabling both red-dot style speed and longer range precision. However, when parallax is fixed at 100 meters, the 10 meter PX error is over 4 MOA and picture blurry! (good PX error calculator here www.lelandwest.com/parallax-error-calculator.cfm) I'd argue that March have their low power variables correct - with PX from 10 yard to infinity. If you don't want to change PX, then set it to an average distance and leave it.

@@ShootingAndReloading - that makes sense. I remember speaking with some guys from the UK at SHOT Show a couple years ago who were telling me about that - they were looking for a high magnification optic that could focus at 10 meters and until then, I had never envisioned the need to be able to be able to focus at such close distances with a high magnification scope. Sounds like a very cool sport!

Many of us can see 200+ yards in every direction when we step out of our front door. Target identification as we get older really is nice with some mag. But I agree having gear tailored to your situation makes the most sense. Pure urban environment an aimpoint + magnifier is extremely capable.

That’s why I like my strike Eagle 1-6. I have the close range function of a red dot, but have stretched it out to 400 on an 8” target. I’m like you, I’ll probably never have the need to shoot out to 400, but I like knowing I can if I need to. It allows me more functionality while still serving the primary purpose. I had so much fun shooting at 400, that now I want this to see if I can get it out to 1k.

When your front gate to the back gate is 80 acres away and no one lives past it by several miles, that 338 LaPua round can pick off anything from the next zip code.....then there's that occasional predator sneaking up to your livestock and horses that makes the LPVO shine.

We had a choice between eotech, aimpoint, acog, elcan etc. I trusted my M68 as it always held zero even between airborne operations. FF a few deployments and my preference changed. I liked the Leupold and ACOGS more. I don’t ever remember looking for a dot while clearing buildings. It was always get the top of the front sight on target and squeeze the trigger.

Did it ever show up? I've had a lot of stuff become significantly delayed (both as a buyer and a seller) but I have yet to actually lose a package.

300m on in the rds+mag > lpvo, source: garand thumb

Look up a video by Chuck Pressberg ex army ranger and AWG guy, in a nutshell he starts the zero shift of magnifiers and bad eye relief put them behind the curve compared to LPVOs.

The biggest thing is target identification. You can use red dots to 700. But you sure as heck cannot identify what you're shooting. So you need to see what you can identify. Then you can answer this question.

I have owned everything type of optic. Magnifiers were my least favorite. Lpvo’s are the future imo.

I don't hate magnifiers. I have one on a rifle that isn't intended for anything more than about 300 max. It can do better than I can with a just dot or irons, and that's all I mean for it to do.

VietNinja I love my 17! I ended up going with a Viper PST II 3-15 because I’m honestly not skilled enough yet to appreciate/see the $1500ish difference between them... but it holds up great. Just be sure you don’t skimp on a mount. Plus, with their VIP warranty I’m never worried about the S17 murdering it 🤙🏼

@@UrNotThatGuyPal I was just wondering because I have US optics B-10 on a larue tactical OBR mount and it is a tank so far. I'm just curious how durable the new razor gen 3 will be against harmonics not just normal physical drops and hits. I was hoping to get something a little lighter and smaller than the B-10 but just as amazing.

Hope you got it!

Hey there - we do not have one available for that model. Is it possible that he had the Razor HD Gen III? We do have one for that model.

@@VortexNation I believe it to be a gen 2 e I still have the box my measurements on the threaded part for the sunshade is 30/31mm I just mic d it with a digital measure tool inside of threads I figured if there was a spot for it than there would be one maybe I can have a machine shop make one

@@FKNSENDIT The thread pitch is M31x0.75-6H

I’d look into the strike eagle 1-6.. the crossfire 1-4 is also a really good option.. go with an illuminated reticle so you can see the crosshairs in low light too.

@@MRxxWH33L5 ended up w leupold 1.5x5x22 hd. Think it’ll work great. Unfortunately the illumination upgrade was another 200 which broke the budget. Thanks

How much do you miss that glass on the ACOG?

@@46dgarrison I missed it because I was used to it. It was so comfortable and predictable. Still not as fast with the LPVO, but I haven't shot much during The Crazy. After ammo prices settle down, I'll get squared away.

@@Nutinwrkz Are you happy with your switch?

@@brianblack546 I'm torn. I'm running a fixed 3 power on my #1 rifle. I could go either way.

@@Nutinwrkz Thanks, I put a vortex razor 1 to 6 on my secondary rifle today. I leaned heavily toward a ACOG before getting the razor.

u know u can still put a red dot on a gun with an lvpo right? This isn’t call of duty... we arent limited on attachment slots

@@user-uq1kk4mh2n click on my profile and you can see a few firearms I own ma'am. After your humbled, if you desire for me to go into my overly detailed original response, I can do so. Now take your Anderson or PSA out ma'am, lay on large belly and educate yourself to your lack of capabilities with a piggybacked optic. Piggybacked optics only serve a purpose with NVG, or CQB with high magnification optics. You'd be required to be a fn peasant, or playing COD to believe your piggybacked optic would be viable in confined/unorthodox shooting angles. Which ironically is what I referred to, multiple times. If you would have focused more on an educated response, and less on your patronizing condescendence, you'd understand shooting under a vehicle with a piggybacked optic is a an impossibility...

@@tomjjackson21 1) i dont own any anderson or PSA, all my my rifles are Triarc 2) ur guns aren’t anything to brag about, so relax 3) offset dots are more than capable, and they’re not just for NVG Also, how tf are u gonna shit on lvpos for having bad eyeboxs and poor eye relief, then put an acog on ur rifle, makes no sense lol

@@user-uq1kk4mh2n I mean, I don’t have as much time behind my glass as I’d like but in the last few years I’ve learned that acog’s actually kind of suck as an interface. Like you said, how can one complain about the eyebox on LPVO’s then put an acog on their rifle? Lol. I’ve never shot an acog. I don’t ever plan to either. I do really like my Strike Eagle 1-6 though. My stuff isn’t the most expensive and I’m upgrading components as I go but at least I know what I’m buying for it’s application (I try to anyways). I actually clicked on this video to see if they covered LPVO’s (like a 1-4) for shotguns. Seems like it could work out well but I’m still in research phase. I might just put my Romeo 5 red-dot on it. Like I said, not the most expensive but my gear works for me 🤷‍♂️.