Ep. 185 | Tiny Calibers 

17 WSM is my love of life !!!

No mention of the 17WSM?

Hang on………did I miss it……….or was there no mention of the 17 Hornet? The best tiny cartridge of all time.

I'm surprised Mark didn't bring up the 17 WSM!

Now it is time to talk about the perfect small game benchrest cartridge, the .222 Remington. Greetings from Germany.

I love the .17 HMR. It's fur-friendly and works well on critters up to lynx. It turns tundra squirrels inside out with body hits.

I didnt hear the 17 winchester super magnum mentioned

The 22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer has a pretty interesting story. It was the creation of PO Ackley (Ackley Improved) at the request of a firearms publication. They were interested to see if muzzle velocities of 5,000+ feet per second were achievable. Unfortunately Ackley’s creation fell short of the goal.

Great discussion!! owner of 17rem, 204ruger, 22 hornet, and 223 rem. love small bore. Always enjoy listening to the knowledge and experience Ryan offers.

Gents, waited the whole time to hear how 17WSM compared to 17HMR. Any chance we can make that a 10 minute talk at least? Keep up the good work!

I love my little Save 17HMR. Three years after purchasing it I’m using the gun to get a 14 year old up to speed on shooting. The only thing I’m missing is a step between that and my 270 win. That’s where something like a 243 or a 6mm rifle comes in.

Thanks! Way to go guys. Now I need a new rifle. 17 Hornet, CZ527 Varmint, plus an optic. You just cost me a couple grand.

17 HMR and my 22-250 are my favorites

17 Winchester Superman., Super mag. I was waiting all Podcast to hear about it. And it's a light out cartridge for gardening at 300 yes And Amen

We call the 17HMR the popcorn gun, because when you hit a rabbit they make a pop 😂.

4.6 necked down to .172" = The .17VHA (Varmint Hunters Association). Great little round!

The 223 actually works great on pronghorn and whitetail deers.

You guys answered my prayers!!! Thank you!!!!! 😁😁😁😁

I know this an older cast but on the lady bug comment. The Germans actually went with the comparison in the VW hoping to capitalize on the beetle's physiological ability to defeat air and wind drag far beyond its physical ability and due to the fact the impact structural capability of the lady bug is over 20 times what its small size should be able to handle. Amazing little creatures actually. Carry on and great pod cast. Cheers everyone/

I love the Shawshank Redemption reference! One of the best movies ever!

Another great Podcast guys thanks for all the great info

Love the content from this Podcast. So grateful you guys create this content. Very entertaining.

After buying a .17 wsm I have never touched my .22’s again ... haven’t shot a .22 in about 3 years

I was about to get piss off till the insert cut , couldn't believe that you would forget the fist of it's kind..MR. Peter otto Ackley's .17 Ackley hornet". He was the first inventor of the .17 cal/.172 diameter bullet made in his shop, by Ackley him self.. Or the other best of the sweet 20's the 20 Ackley by tod kindler...and the james Calhoun .20 badger.. You guy need to make another episode for these.

17 remington has accounted for many kangaroos , dogs ,foxes , cats and even pigs with the right placed shot .

All the Calhoun 19s or 14s are still kicking in some circles.

.218 bee is a rocket. It’s a 40gr bullet going just under 3000fps. Several manufacturers made it in a bolt action configuration also.

The 2mm kolibri seems like one of those “poker table” guns. If I understand correctly, usually meant for shooting at targets that would be VERY close and... under the table as it were.

No mention of .17 Hornet. That should have a cartridge talk of its own!

Lewis and Clark's Giradoni air rifle was designed in 1779 by Bartolomo Giradoni. Also known as the Windbushe(wind rifle), it was in service with the Austrian Empire from 1780-1805. A sheet metal canister held enough compressed air for 30 shots. The rifle was issued with 3. It took 1500 strokes with a hand pump to refill one. A spring-loaded magazine held 20 round balls. It came in both .46 and .51 caliber, 146 & 201 grain respectively, both at about 500 fps. It was said to be lethal to 125 yards.

I love this topic. Thanks for coming back to the 17 hornet. ( I love that cartridge!) No mention of the .14 squirrel? BTW, .open the flash hole and 22 pellet in a hornet or .223 rem primer only (20" barrel) make amazing trapping dispatching solutions. Also, check out primer only loadings for 17 hornet . Ladybug guys look into the 22 CCM.

The Colibri round was in Battlefield 1. It was a meme for sure. Getting a kill with that gun was an achievement.

No lie, I was watching the first podcast with bearded Mark, and before even seeing him, I thought he sounded a bit smarter than usual. He's always been a lot smarter than he gives himself credit for, but I swear his beard has spare brain cells.

Good podcast. Lots of fun info!

the CZ455, and 457, 512, are all 22WMR action-size rifles. So you dont get a smaller rifle or action with 22LR in them. Everything is basicly the same between 22lr and 22wmr/17hmr in regards to "reload speed". Its not like the 22wmr/17hmr is 1" longer :) but i prefer centerfire, 22 Hornet is my newest love. 35 grain bullet at near 3200 fps or 40 grain in near 3000.

Better barrels have made issues with fouling way less for the 17 Remington . It's one of my favorite varmint rifles , I have 5 different rifles chambered in 17 Remington!

Love shooting 22lr, still cheap and fun plinking. And popping in the CMMG conversion bolt into an AR, shoot that platform all day for what a half dozen 5.56 mags would cost... and I don't feel guilty spending the money to put holes in paper.

Loved the end. I need one of those. A reloadable 17

I wonder why the 17 WSM is so underrated.

Very interesting! But i have some addition from Russia:) 1. 7.62x39 is not the parent case for 5.45x39. 5.45 is a new case, it has smaller diameter 2. Russians first used in biathlon 6.5x54R cartridge (necked down 7.62x54 cartridge), and after that 5.6x39 (.220 russian) 3. 2mm Kalibri was used like saloon gun, to shoot paper targets inside home 4. You forget to discus sabot cartridges with flechettes

According to Wikipedia, 2mm Kolibri ballistics are a 3gr projectile going 660fps for a "devastating" 3ft•lbf

You an 100% absolutely reload rimfire rounds, it's just a metric pain in the butt. The best option going down that road is to buy new primed brass for it, as opposed to going through the trouble of re-priming fired brass.

Savage bmag 17wsm with 20, 25gr!! Prairie dogs at 250 easy!

In speaking with Bo Clarke in 2000; he was once tasked with defeating the first rendition of the Kevlar helmet. At 50 meters with a very pointy lathe turned 30gr solid gilding metal bullet out of a necked down 22 Hornet at whatever velocity it will produce. It would go through the helmet like it was a melon.

17 mach 2 is definitely my favorite. I find my self grabbing that for small game 95 percent of the time over the .22 or .17 hmr.

The 5mm Remington Magnum is a great round. I love my Remington 591.

Don’t forget that the Austrian Army had a sniper corps using military air rifles, pre Lewis and Clarke. and some of the heavy air canes could blow a 3/4” hole in you !

17HMR my favorite squirrel sniper round

Ryan/Team, you should do a Ten Minute on history of the .222 Magnum- the "loser" of the ".223" competition (.224 Springfield vs. .222 Special).

One book called " cartridges of the world " will fill in much of those major knowledge gaps . .20 tactical, practical, varget( powder company) target . That book doesn't have everything but it has far more than the average person knows about.

17 WSM 3000fps rim fire round derived from a ram setter nail gun round by Winchester. Pretty well died on the vine due to junk savage B-17 rifles . Ruger made a better offering in the 77/17 . Chambered in 17 WSM . The 17 WSM truly brings rimfire close to center fire performance. Another not mentioned was the 17 squirrel. 17 squirrel is 22 hornet shortened and necked to 17 cal . Cooper arms as mentioned chambers 17 squirrel. The 17 squirrel and 17 WSM are close in velocity and performance only major difference is one rimfire and other center fire .

I know alot of folks who would love to see you guys do a video on all the 6mm prs cartridges. The 6mm revolution... go over the factory and wildcat options, how it evolved here from the 308 days and why. The 6 dasher, 6cm, 6bra, 6xc etc... and now the 6mm arc! Will that have a big place in prs soon?

I had a 5MM magnum long ago and wish I'd never traded it off. I may be wrong, but I think it was made for two years and mine was a bolt action Reminton rifle. I know where there are two boxes in a local Gunshop at a reasonable price if anyone has one and cannot find ammo for it. Big Ideas Gun and Pawn, Mound City Ks. Do your research and give them a call if you need some ammo for yours. I'm sure Gary will fix you up. I've got two rifles in .17HMR and love them, a couple of friends of mine have .17 Winchester Magnums and they really put a coyote on the ground. Not that my HMR's won't do the same.

I have had the ruger single 6 that shoots both 22LR and 22 Mag and a 22mag Marlin lever action seance the 70s and used hollow points. Back in the day I trapped all winter long as a hobby to make extra money I would make on the upper end of 3k a year, shot one of the biggest Bobcats I have ever seen at over 200 yards in the ear no damage to the pelt. Ya I loved my 22Mags

I believe if the 17hm2 had came out before the 17hmr it would have become the popular cartridge

It's okay, Jim, your pun wasn't lost on me. Those tiny bore bar-guns would make great...bar-gains also.

Franklin Armory has F-17 shoots a .17wsm. In a AR style rifle.

I feel like I need a chart for all this nomenclature.

Daisy made a 22 caseless rifle, that the propellant was attached to the base of the bullet.

3 different .222 fellas. And 1970 gave birth to the 5mm REM.Mag and the Remington model 591 and 592. According to the third page in my the American Rifleman magazine from April 1970.

There’s a caliber for every thousandth in that range; .228 bee, .219 zipper, .220 swift, .221 fireball, .222 rem, .223 rem, .224 valk

You need to do a talk on 350 legend and other straight wall cartridges

59:00 "so here we are, finding a way to put it back in" The story of my life.

Found your podcast this weekend. Been hunting and reloading and shooting my whole life from Oregon and Nevada. Love what your doing. Prefer the long form, the 10min stuff leaves me wanting more. Lister request: revisit the 10min topics in the long format and cover "ethical shooting" min required energy/fps for bullet construction for antelope to elk. Theory debate on exit penetration vs "energy dump. Love catching up though.

Fantastic show, loved it. Almost passed it by because longer vids don't interest me, but I am glad I caught this one.

Like here in Australia we had 303-22 which was like 1930s wild cat I mean there was plenty more like 303 necked down 25/ 270/35 but 303 necked down to a 22cal unreal I own a 303-25 been looking for the 22 tho

I cant believe they did not talk about one of the newest 22s that is highly successful. The 22TCM. It is 223 Remington cased but shortened for pistol use. Invented by a guy in Kansas sold to Rock Island Armory to produce. The US version of a 5.7, It beats the 5.7 speed at over 2000fps out of a 5"-1911, and is pennies per round, vs the overpriced 5.7 ammo. Reloadable, and uses the same mag as their 9mm, and in RIA 1911's holds 17+1 in 22tcm and 9mm. The best part is the insanley loud report and fireball!😂 The best thing I did was look at Hornady's reloading manual before I went to buy a Ruger 5.7. I discovered thee 22TCM! The amount of money saved in ammo alone from 22TCM vs 5.7 for me, is incredible!

204 Ruger is not a 'was' round. You can still buy plenty of factory ammo for it by most of the makers. You really need to be shooting 32 grain bullets to get over 4000 fps(factory) or reloading and maybe hit 4000 with a 35 grain pill

I love my Savage 17HMR bull barrel for tack driving at 100. I can hit at 200 but I am not confident in penetration. I just hate the magazine. But it is still a great rifle for small critters.

U guys should neck the 6.5 BC down to 17 and call it the Lady Buggenstien. Lol. Great videos. Keep them coming

Love the shaw shank quote mark! Haha

The why for most of these videos/caliber development is cost vs tooling. .177 because the tooling to cut barrels was available. Tooling only changes when demand out weights supply.

.22tcm, the 5.7 killer that slipped by everybody!

trouble is, no one loads 17mk2 anymore.. worse its a rimfire so forget handloads. Kimber made 1911 conversion kits for it, albeit for a short time. Seems like just another flash in the pan to me, but i never have shot or used any of the 17RF cartridges. If you don't taste it how could you know,? I just thought it didn't gain me anything I didn't already have in a hypersonic 22LR or a 22mag or even a 22Hornet which is a CF cartridge. Great video though and really fun to talk about..

I have a .17 hmr LH Savage, and a Taurus tracker in.17 hmr. So far they are Tack Drivers and taken up to coyotes.

Aside from Forgetting the newest 17, 2words, raging hornet...

I need a job like the 2 host have ...I could do podcasts on farm equipment something I know little about. And rely on my guest for information.

Need a ten minute talk: 22 mag vs 17hmr

5mm Remington Magnum ran pressures similar to 17 WSM.

you guys should check out the pcp big bore airguns they go up to a .72caliber

I love my 204 Ruger. 40gn VMAX favorite weight

When I was a kid, I remember hearing my dad talk about killing critters with a .219 zipper. This cartridge had decent velocity didn't it. Wondering why someone hasn't reintroduced it for a bolt gun instead of a lever gun? What are your thoughts? Just too many with better velocity these days? If it came from the .30-30 wouldn't it be somewhat cheap to load and reproduce?

my Savage bolt gun in 17 hmr is my do all rifle , love it at 100 yards with Hornady 17 hmr vmax dime size groups at 100 yrds three rnd group

I know a guy who shoots a .20 caliber out of a necked down 6mm BR case. A wildcat for sure. He shoots coyotes with it.

Sub calibers are super fun. Plug in my 17ppc data to a ballistics calculator for fun. Berger 37g VLD at 4050fps .348bc. Obscene performance.

What about the .17 Fireball ? Richard Utting did a series on it.

I’d love to hear about the Valkyrie and 22 Nosler. Seem pretty perfect for yotes

Id think the reason why the mp7 ammo isn't popular is because we can't have full auto so who wants a tiny round that is relatively weak when its designed to be used in full auto to be effective

If you are Going varmint hunting the 17 WSM 17 Hornet, 22 250 and the 204 all get play but the first 2 get the most action even for the long arse shots

Yes! If you build it, we will be there 🥃cheers!

Still no show on 257 Wby!!! Love your shows guys. You have hit most of my guns - except the 257 Wby.

I squirrel hunt with a 17 super mag and it's amazing what that little bullet will do when you push it at that kind of speed. I pulled a shot last year at about 20 yards and damn near vaporized that squirrel... LOL But I've even shot a couple hogs with it and It'll put in work on them also...

Wouldn't it be cool to bring back something like the 5.75 Velodog for gallery/plinking rifles?

I cannot believe you left out the 4.5 Velodog cartridge!

Great episode, thank you. How about one on powders?

So... Taurus produced a revolver between '03-04 that was chambered in .218 Bee

Come on guys we just need the 22 super, or something along those lines by necking down the 450 Bushmaster. Nice big on speed and maybe can seat some decently long bullets and you can get all that speed in an AR-15 platform.

.17 wsm! Most powerful rimfire that failed lol

In my 204 Ruger, I would get 4024 fos average with 30.5gr BLC2 and a 32gr Hornady VMAX.

I call my 17 hmr the fly swatter. Federal black tips. With can. 4 oz trigger in just a savage93 with a little work. Grab a 223 brass off the ground and put a half a piece of bacon up at 50 yard line... good luck. Your results may vary.