Ep. 243 | The Many Forms of .22 Ammunition 

22 MAG needs its own 10 minute talk.

Two things here. That deer was shot at a long distance for the 22 stinger. I shoot deer all the time here in North Carolina with 22lr 40-55 grain solids. It is leagal here and standing broadside, right behind the shoulder, the bullet tumbles. Does more damage through the lunges than you could imagine and exits the other side at 50 yards. A hollow point at that distance will expand but won't penetrate deep enough to reliably kill deer. Second point is the slower bullets absolutely puts the smack on squirrel and rabbit. The full velocity solid bullets zip through so fast they don't cause much truma and the hollow points tear up to much meat. The CBs and the CCI Quiet dump all their energy into the critter and it will flip a squirrel right over backwards! I've lost squirrel with full velocity stuff because they will run and hide before they die. With the CBs and quite they are usually dead right there.

Mo-Skeet is the the best thing I have heard of in a long time. You have to bring it to market. With Lawn Darts being outlawed, this is the yard game we needed, but didn't know we needed.

Can weld a truck but can’t reload. Love it. 🤣I always enjoy you three gentleman discussing ammo.

Trent’s not the only one that sticks around! The podcast is great and 22’s are awesome! They’re what gets most of us into firearms. 🤘 cci rat shot for the win!

If you would like to do a show on .22 smoothbores let me know. We had patterned the different variations of "chokes" (there were a few variations of backboring) years ago including the patterning out of a rifled barrel. My family has one of the largest known collections of smoothbores and accessories (clays, throwers, etc). Almost every model and variation produced, even salesman samples.

Getting to the end of this video was an absolute treat! Mo skeet baby!!

I definitely need to see a Vortex Office Mo-skeet shooting competition!

Jim needs to allocate as much Vortex resources to the MO Skeet project as possible

Also, another cool gun for y’all to throw in the mix for this conversation in regards to the 22 LR shot is a very hard to find Mossberg Targo Model 42 TR. Very cool little single shot bolt action…. Thing. It had rifle sights, but the whole length of the barrel was a smooth bore. But it had an outer threaded muzzle and it came with two ends that were roughly 6” long… one was a smooth bore extension with a choked end on it, and the other end was a short section of RIFLED barrel. So you could shoot either the 22LR shot with no issue, or toss on the rifled barrel end and now you’re shooting 22LR regular bullet projectiles. Very VERY nifty little set up. Friend of mine had one way back in the day, and I was amazed at how accurate it actually was with regular ammo with just that little section of 6” rifled barrel screwed on the end. Anyway…. More neat info for the topic!!!

I may have been the only one left..... but it was worth it. People will never know the utility of the garden gun. And I agree the crimped ammo is the way to go.

I have a Henry Garden Gun. It is an absolute blast (pun intended) to play with. I had never heard of the mo-skeet before but we actually do something similar. We take turns pitching white saltine crackers into the air and seeing who can hit the most. It’s the most fun you can have without doing something illegal 👍

10 minute talk on 22mag/22wmr please

I'm in Moskeet!!! I can see it on the Outdoor channel!! Sponsored by Ritz!! What a sight to see laughing all the way to the bank

I gotta say vortex nation podcasts on RU-vid is good I always enjoy them.

I actually have a Winchester model 1890 in 22 short only. A true gallery gun with an octagonal barrel. It's going to need alot of work but it'll be a gorgeous piece of history that goes pew pew.

Rossi makes a pump action gallery 22lr…being a smaller company (part of Taurus), I wonder if there was enough interest (like submitting a petition with 100k names or something), if they would make a smooth bore version of the pump gallery 22lr with a bead sight? Come on boys, you’re Vortex, make it happen!! Mo-skeet for the win!!

I’m in for the mo-skeet show. I have actually handled the Winchester pump shot gun. Beautiful gun with such a small market.

I’m in on the mo skeet!

I never knew how much there was out there for the .22, but man am I glad I hung around. I'm going to have to listen to this a couple more times to get everything out of it.

I used to have a single shot smooth bore 22. Loved it for shooting grasshoppers on the fly.

man I really thought episode #243 would have been an hour long talk about 243 Winchester.

Hey guys…you left out the one .22 cartridge that started the .22 semi-automatic story…the Winchester Model 1903 which used a proprietary cartridge…the Winchester .22 Automatic…I’m blessed to have my grandfather’s 1903 (made in 1906) along with 600 rounds of ammunition. Coolest rifle ever! 😎😎😎

Awesome episode and super insightful, but I think there was an opportunity missed on not making ep 243 about the myriad of 243 cartridges. Episode .308 will be coming up in a couple months...

This was a fascinating podcast! More like this please!

Hell yes! Ritz cracker clays, I'm in!

"...the ammo of librarians..." almost died laughing.

I love these "10 Minute Talks". I almost always learn something important that I can use to improve my accuracy. Thanks guys.

Epic, get ready for the oncoming ritz cracker shortage! 🤣👊🏻

22s are far and away the best firearm cartridge ever! Id moskeet in a heartbeat, I love shooting shot from my S&W, many nights camping waiting for that thief of a mouse to show itself

Great episode, and very informative - well done guys!

You brought up the Ruger Single Six revolver that has interchangeable cylinders for 22lr and 22wmr, however, that seems to be pretty popular to me as I own another brand mentioned, the NAA mini revolver that came with 2 cylinders, one for 22lr and one for 22wmr, and I have seen 22 wmr conversion cylinders for the Heritage Rough Rider that is usually seen in 22lr.

Make Mo-skeet great again!

22 long is an lr case with a 29gr projectile. Before 22lr there was just 22 short n long both pushing a 29gr bullet. Then after that came the long rifle which was just a long with a heavier bullet, typically 40gr. If you have an old .22 revolver that says .22short/long and you try to put long rifles in it they will stick out of the cylinder, because the typically heavier bullet itself will make it too long for the cylinder.

Aguila SSS was developed for Bolt action sniper rifle in a jungle theater of operation in Mexico.

243 would be a great video on CF cartridge for sheer variety of ammo in bullet weight, 55gr-87gr vmax, 75gr HP's, sst's and accutips up to 95gr, soft points up to 105gr, Sierra 85gr bthp. Variety is the spice of life and all

Omg I have found my new favorite late night time waster podcast on RU-vid lol. Best time ever 😂

MMGA!! I would love to see a podventure on reviving what sounds like the coolest carnival game out there

I subscribed just for the Mo Skeet project. When is the next Mo Skeet episode?

I want to hear Ryan talk about .22 TCM. Haha Every time I listen to a .22 talk I expect to hear something about it.

I love my old Ruger Single Six with the .22 MAG Cylinder in it. Shooting it without ears on is what I DON'T love. The report is unbelievably SHARP and loud out of a revolver.

Very informative, thanks.

With all the .22lr long range popularity, can we do a video on the right glass for a long range .22 rifle given the extreme drops and drift that can be involved +300yd???

I love my .22’s but I can’t believe you passed up the opportunity to make episode.243 all about .243’s🤣

A very enjoyabke eposode! A few comments: 1) I think the reason most of the bullets have such a rounded ogive is to keeo them stable in the slow twist tates. 2) I think another significant advantage of the copper-washed bullets in the "tictical" ammo is that if you drop it in the dirt, there is no lube for the dirt to stick to. 3) With regard to using standard-velocity ammo for ELR, go look at youtube channel "Mard and Sam after work". They comprehensively prove high-velocity ammo is better. 4) Can we have a handgun division for Moskeet? Should be pretty easy to make smooth-bore uppers for your dad's Mark 1 target model! 😁

The sniper subs are awesome! The cci subs are a hair more reliable, but the sniper subs are very reliable outta a suppressed ar with a 22 bolt carrier. I shoot to about 50 yards or less, usually closer but it is a field mice deleting machine. But all in all if I shoot a box of 50 I may have one jam. Just my 2 cents.

22 bird shot vs cicada killers absolute blast lol

good video I enjoyed watching the whole video thanks for the content can you guys do more cartridge videos like this??

Please do a podcast where you pull off the moskeet, I may have to buy another set of glass just to reward your for this

The Norway rat is huge in the wild almost thought it was a possum

Good stuff as always. I'd love more than 10 minutes on the .243 someday

50:00 those Super Colibri are so quiet that when shot suppressed the loudest sound is the impact on the paper target target down range.

That was the worst intro “I’ll be there in .2”😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 at least I laughed about it

Ayyy that clarksons farm tshirt though

The priming compound that they use to reload the 22LR….. that stuff can also be used to RELOAD your own primers!!! Just search that video…. It’s pretty incredible!

Great video. Watched the hole thing through I love the .22 and I know a lot about it but I definitely learned alot more about it if you guys find out more about the 22 do another video

I love how their minds are blown as he’s talking about how rimfire ammo has been made since the 1850s!!! (Maybe earlier)

Great podcast.

Great stuff

I now have a reason to get a smooth bore henry 🥰, thank you very much.

Enjoyed this one very much!! My brother and I used to cut a + cut over the hp stingers, and then bending the points in again (as they open up a bit)… very devastating at short range..

Great breakdown on 22 ammo 👍

I'm totally in!!!!

How about break action over/under double barrel for mo-skeet? Something you’d carry broke over your shoulder. 😊

Yes would love to see the ma skeet 22lr stuff

.22s that appear to be plain lead have a clear lubricant on them, usually a wax-like substance, that reduces the amount of lead fouling.. They tend to pickup dirt and other contaminants when carried loose in a pocket or pouch. Copper plating like copper alloy cases act as lubricants, reducing the amount of lead fouling without attracting dirt.

Suggestion for video: Boat tail vs rebated boat tail vs flat base bullets. Just starting to get into reloading myself and I think it would be a informative video.

32:00 There's a great video by "Mark and Sam After Work", a couple that do some amazing precision and ELR shooting, that actually completely disproves that subsonic ammo is more accurate. They tested several supersonic and subsonic loads at a bunch of distances, including close enough for the supersonic rounds to stay such and far enough that the supersonic rounds spent more time travelling subsonic than supersonic. The end result was that supersonic ammo shoots noticably flatter than subsonic, and that's it; there was no difference in group size between the two types.

I'd love to hear more about that BB gun dragon fly story. I've never heard anyone else claim to have done that. One time at my grandpa's cabin I sat on the pier with his old BB gun for hours trying to lead dragonflies as they zipped around above the water catching midges and things to eat. I'd shot one off a leaf before, but I wanted to hit one in flight. Their flight patterns are so erratic it's almost impossible to track them, but after many hours and probably a thousand BBs I hit one. It dropped into the water and wriggled as it drifted downstream until a bass gulped it. I think anyone within a mile probably heard me whooping and yelling. Proudest shot of my life. I think I want it included in my epitaph when I'm buried.

Nice Happy Gilmore reference! .. and I'd like to hear more about the "professional" work with the sniper 22lr rounds.

Using .22 shells for bullet jackets was a ploy of the 1950s and 60s benchrest shooters who could not buy really accurate bullets, so they made them. Bieler and Astle used to make swag ing dies and presses for the job.

Mo-Skeet! I am in!!!!! LOL. I would drive over from Minneapolis for the fun!

Love this chat I didn't know about any of this.... Derenger love one them lol ❤️💯🔫

I need a 10min talk on gallery gun games & Mo-Skeet "Ritz cracker" lawn games etc

This is an awesome episode of an awesome podcast. Rats are awesome pets. Neither kind of 22 shot styles feed well in an automatic (well, either TX22 or LCP II 22), and I thought a revolver would do better, but I had not considered the rifled bore problem. Thanks for this! :-)

You make a Mo-Skeet-O trap, I'll buy one!!!!

I sure miss the Cabela's Bargain Cave. Great Job.

Im irked that Winchester used a proprietary .22 Winchester automatic for their M1903.

I have seen 22lr reloaded without any special machine. You take the spent case and find a punch or some metal rod the same size as the inside diameter of the case and tap the firing pin indent back out. You can buy the compound to make the primer powder off line I forget where but it is available it comes as separate components that need to be mixed. The same person also reloaded his own pistol primers with the same components. He was able to make reliable 9mm for 3 cents a round during the pandemic by reloaded primers casting his own bullets.

First few shots at 50 yards with the Colibri rounds (420fps) I had no impact, so I held on target and watched next to the rifle where they were going... they hit the dirt about half way. This was with a 100 yard zero (standard velocity).

Please do one on .303 British

This dude in the green shirt just self destruct dying inside about the far one saying he doesn't understand what he means when green texts him "I'll be there in .2"

Yes , we can reload .22 short and lr. A tool called a casing iron exists , it's first iteration was for making bullet jackets from spent .22 cases , the second version allows for the case to be reprimed with liquid priming compound and then loaded on specialty dies with cast bullets or turned bullets. (.224 to .221) because I am busy and no I didn't wait to listen to the answer. Rcbs made/makes? the first version . A quick search shows Corbin making the first style case iron for bullet jacket making, and the type 2 is now just a resizing die . "Sharpshooter supply" is the first search option under .22lr resizing dies. Skiving the brass cases will be important for expanding bullets , and it's super simple to bond lead cores with borax . You need a way to hold your bullet jackets from just their bases when ready for a core ,put in a baking pan and fill with water so it is about 1/8th inch over the holder . Make a borax paste and paint the insides of the jacket, heat until it bubbles and melts. Add your core , flux exposed core and inner case again . Heat until the lead melts . Let cool . Heat again , cool , form as for expanding projectiles . This will give a heavy brass base, bonded core with preprogrammed jacket . Lead alloy will dictate how fast it needs to go to expand . Old speer bullet designs can be replicated with such methods . All components must be measured by weight for controlling pressures and maintaining accuracy when loading .

Groundhogs are “game animals”…if you haven’t eaten one, trust me you’re missing out😁👏🏻👊🏻🖖🏻

I would love to see Mo-skeet! I have heard a lot about it but never seen someone shoot it.

Augila Sniper in 22 magnum could be interesting.

My crackshot would love all the above yet I would adore an additional smooth bore barrel for it and some crimped loads!!

Hey guys I always learn things when I listen to your podcasts, thank you. I have a question is there a formula to work out what the twist rate should be for caibre and bullet weight, also whether a left or right hand twist is best? Cheers from Oz ( yes that place with very restrictive gun ownership laws :( )

Totally in for moskeet!!

Moskeen?! I'm in, the wife is in, kids are in.

Remember to include the 5,7 x 28 cartridge, famously the round for the FN P90 sub gun and now several other carbines and pistols.

Used to shoot red and flying squirrels in the house with a crossman pump BB gun. It left blood splatter all over the drywall but never penetrated the drywall. Had massive 30’ cathedral ceiling. Always kept the BB gun ready in the living room. Maine allows “22 magnum rimfire” or larger for hunting all game. So if you want to get a moose with a 22 mag you can. No word on 17 wsm or 204 ruger in the book.

I have used the CCI Quiet .22 Segmented to great effect on wood chucks in a city/urban environment AKA a city in wisconsin. CB speeds, but way more damage.

The terminal ballistics of the 22 Yellowjacket, on a gopher, is extremely noticeable, compared to a high velocity 40 gr. round.

55:48 you won't find a 20 gr .177 airgun pellet or slug. In .22 you do though. You can even get 40 gr .22 airgun slugs, so you get very close to .22 LR subsonic with an airgun.

Come on guys, episode .243 and we're doing.22 talks ? ? I'm just saying. . . Love the podcast though, keep em coming

Mo-skeet i remember in the late 90's marlin still made a bolt action "garden" gun

They mentioned that some gun's like certain types of casing thickness. I wonder if down the road that everyone will be using that trick to request another type of measurement on ammunition boxes. I could see it be included on ball type ammo.

You will have to ask who ever bought Remington about that pump action 22 shot gun and see if Henry could make them!

22 long rifle center fire brass are now available that take small rifle or pistol primers. I'm swaging 60 grain lead bullets and getting average MV's of 1040 fps with small charges of #9. 1/9 twist. Current problem is no primers available.