I would really like to hear Ryan and Ron Spomer talk about cartridges. This is the level-headed, experienced, and informed type of discussion we all need. All the while, entertaining.
@Vortex Nation Mark B. is definitely the unsung hero of the podcast. He's like your buddy who always has extra ear and eye pro for whoever forgets. He keeps the wheels on the train turning.
If cheap is yer criteria, then 22lr is king lol. 6.5 destroys 308 at any real range, if you never take shots past 200 then yea 308 all day but 500+ 6.5 is another league, 308 might as well be flintlock.
Good point on the reloaded 7x57. The original 7x57 pressure was 50,307 CUP in the supposedly relatively weak model 93 action. Although according to some that there is no really accurate formula for converting CUP to PSI, using one of the supposed most accurate formulas that translates to 58,458 PSI. In plenty strong actions like my Kar. 98, which is really a medium length action, you can take full advantage of the 7x57's larger case capacity over the 7mm-08. You can get the 7x57 pretty close to 270 Winchester performance with careful hand loads. The same can be said for the 6.5x55 vs the 6.5 Creedmoor. I've got all the cartridge/calibers listed herein and a lot more except the 6.5 Creedmoor. Over the last 50 years I've harvested more deer with my Ruger M77 270 Winchester than anything else. All the rest are just for occasional variety. If I had to get rid of all but one and couldn't hand load I'd stick with the 308 Winchester. Widest selection of bullet weights, common cup and core bullets or premium varieties from many manufacturers priced accordingly and availability. Except for the availability and price issues I'd pick the 7mm-08. Flat shooting, less recoil than the 308. Plenty of inexpensive, synthetic stocked rifles that I hate to admit are amazingly accurate. I'm old and traditional like the cartridge and rifle combinations I like. Happy hunting boys and girls!😊
The reloading manuals state that there are two different factory loadings for the Swede in Europe. Because modern arms are able to tolerate higher pressures, but there are still old rifles around. All the big deal about that Creedmore disappears once you know that. Practicing is difficult when you cannot afford it because of the price. It's all academic when you live and hunt where a three hundred yard shot is exceedingly rare. Act accordingly to your own situation
I dont understand all the 6.5 is a significantly fast argument. Take a Nosler ABLR, 129gr at 2807 vs Nosler ABLR 168 at 2698. That's a 109 fps difference; or 3.9% more speed; but 39 gr weight diffence; or 23% increase. I'd call that more efficient. Both great, but I've come around to 308 is not the wrong answer for pretty much anything. 6.5Cr isn't wrong for most, but inside of 400 yards; I would take 308 9 times out of 10; but I'm willing to be proven wrong.
Simple physics - increasing mass increases the energy less than increasing the speed. Without doing the math, because it's late here and I am lazy, I think a 3.9% increase in speed will increase kinetic energy than the 23% increase in mass. KE= 1/2MV^2 Quick example; Double the mass, but keep the same speed, and you get double the kinetic energy. Double the speed but keep the same mass, and you get 4 times as much energy.
The best way I've found to look at these two rounds is. I prefer 308 300yards and in. And 6.5 for all applications past 300. That's ware the creed shines. The 308 beats it for hunting in every way inside 300. The 6.5 beats 308 in every way past 300. That sums it up in a fast way I think 🤔
The 6.5 does not beat the 308 past 300 in retained energy. Honestly not a huge difference in drop and drift either. If you are seeing the 308 fall off at 300 yards significantly you need a different bullet
@@K-bob_45 Exactly, even 6.5 grendel will be able to hit just as far but without that extra oomph. These wildcats are usually designed for long range shooting in design instead of a mixture of lethality and range.
@@K-bob_45 yes 300 is ware the 6.5 and 308 meet and the 6.5 is better accurate and better energy past 300 idk what planet ur on but that's ware the 6.5 pulls ahead. It's facts not opinion
Just get both imo. I agree with you entirely btw. But there’s nothing wrong with having and being proficient in both, and I think that should be everyone’s goal
@@traceyevans2757except that’s a 2nd gun 2nd ammo type. And you’re not really gaining much other than more available ammo types. So maybe just go 308 and who cares that it drops a little less and drifts a little more. If you’re dialing and holding for wind. It’s not like you’re making pop shots. It’s not sub 300 blk vs 55g 223 at distance. What difference does it make if you hold 2 mils or 3 mils for wind when you know what you’re holding for your round anyway. So I see why and don’t disagree with both. But with the caveat you’re adding a rifle and cartridge to your arsenal that might be space and capability better used elsewhere. If someone has a 6.5 but no shot gun. Maybe get a 12g instead of a 308. Know what I mean? 9mm, 556, 308/-06/.270/6.5creed/7remmag pick one, 12g. After those 4. Get whatever you want. But I’d say have those 4 first. You can concealed carry fight hunt and survive. After that double down with another bolt gun maybe a magnum, another pistol maybe 45 or 10mm or 357, maybe have a little 22 lr. Build out capabilities. Not collectables.
Or, split the difference between both, gain all the advantages and only a fraction of either's downsides with the phenomenal 7mm-08. Reload it to even compete with 270Win (factory) performance!
Lol I was about to type something similar and thought “someone’s beat me to it I’ll bet.” Same magazine capacity. Able to use a 20” barrel. Lots and lots of projectiles to choose from. Lighter recoil than a 308 and more energy down range than 6.5 Creedmoor. Considerably flatter trajectory than 308. The big downside to 7mm-08 is ammo availability and rifle choices. Sure everyone “makes” their rifles in 7mm-08 but try to find one in a store… there are 5-10 rifles in either 308 or 6.5 CM for every one on the rack in 7mm-08. A few days ago my Cabelas had 11 variations of 270 Winchester, 25+ in 6.5 Creedmoor, and I didn’t count the 308 variants. 1 choice for 7mm-08 and I’d never heard of the manufacturer. I hand load and am about to build a light-ish hunting rifle so neither bothers me.
I went with .308 because I wanted a 20-inch barrel. On an old podcast, Ryan recommended starting with the bullet you want to hunt with and develop a load for it. I agree with you both that the right bullet for the job and practice is far more important than what cal. you use. Great info, guys!
Been looking hard at 6.5cm for awhile and the other new cartridges for a new rifle, and it does seem like the conversation should REALLY be about bullets for sure!
I would like to hear Ryan talk differences between .243, 6 creed, and 6.5 creed. I have always loved my little .243 for dusting yote's and then loading some 90gr barnes for blackbear and deer size game.
A bullet tailored to application can help so much. Not just the cartridge but also the intended game. I look forward to the results of the extensive testing 😅
Even for a few years after the 6.5 Creedmoor was introduced I kept seeing articles along the lines of "The Unpopular 6.5'". It took several years for the Creedmoor to get popular for hunting.. It started out as a 1000yard competition cartridge. It was its long range accuracy with inexpensive rifles that got people's attention at first. The 260, although sometimes used in competition, was really thought of as more of a youth and ladies hunting cartridge. Kinda a lesser version of a 308.
Swedes been winning matches and shooting moose with it for over a century try telling them it's a ladies cartridge. Creedmoor is nothing new just fits in a short action and Remington botched 260 just like they did 244 wrong twist
@@paulknopp5694 No one has implied the 6.5x55 was considered a women's cartridge. 6.5's just were not popular in the US until the mid 2010's. Not many seemed to know about the 6.5x55 in the 1960's when I was growing up. Many DID know that the Japanese used a 6.5 in WWII and generally disparaged the cartridge in comparison to the 30-06. The twist on the 260 Rem is OK for 140 grain bullets, so that wasn't really the problem. Being a necked-down 308 meant that it was limited to bullets with a relatively short ogive, at least in a short action. It was mainly considered a low-recoil variant of the 308. A half-step up from a 243 and best for the slight of frame or recoil sensitive. A perfect example is that the outdoors writer Ron Spomer prefers hunting cartridges more powerful than the 308 whereas his wife shoots a 260.
Sorry I misunderstood I'm not trying to cause a fight. I'm very happy that the 65 caliber has become so popular of late because there's a lot better bullet selection than there ever was
Where I live in Georgia 308 win is the number 1 most available ammo with different options then 30-06 and 6.5 cm are fighting for 2nd but I've never shot anything with a 308 or 6.5cm but the fun thing about cartridges is that they all work lol
Bruh the 6.5 need more cant even kill a whitetail less than 300 yards. Too many horror storys that is a target round not a hunting round. Too many fanboys tried to push that round and hype it up, now so many people are losing deer. And no i dont own a .308, i roll with the king of cartridges 7mm rem mag. I back it up with .30-06 springfield.
@kylecomeaux7880 That is an objectively ridiculous statement, considering that 243 Win (a less powerful cartridge) has decades of success against whitetails and that the European continent has seen over a century of very successfully hunting moose and stag with 6.5x55 Swede (which is functionally identical to 6.5CM). Your statements sound more like the result of 6.5CM being the default cartridge of new hunters over the last decade, and too many new hunters don't know what the heck they're doing.
find the 6.5 cheaper then 308 here in canada were I am. last trip to the store the prices were 6.5 creedmore $33.99 a box 308 $41.99 a box both were winchester power points.
@@outdoorsythings2573 That can certainly be the case. I only give 308 the budget conscious nob because there's much, much more low-end (read: poor quality) ammo available, and if you're on a really strict budget, that might be the difference between shooting and not (especially for training. It's all well and good to fork out for a box of Precision Hunter for the actual hunt, but that's expensive ammo to practice with). If you reload or stick to decent/good factory ammo, then that point is totally irrelevant.
Where I live 6.5 creedmore is not a legal option for full size game, sambar deer predominate and while they aren't elk , they are big. Min cal legal in Vic Australia for sambar is .270, so the creed is out yet 30-30 is perfectly acceptable, logical..... Most run .308 or 30-06
I went down the 6.5 cm road a few years ago after decades with the 308. I built an AR-10 Frankenrifle with a carbon fiber barrel and just loved the accuracy. But I built it to hunt and clearly the rifle was unwieldy pig. After a couple years in the field with handloads I was not all that impressed. Within “normal” hunting ranges, under 350 yards, the 308 has better terminal ballistics. Bigger holes and more blood on the ground makes for easy tracking when called for. I don’t miss the 6.5 at all. For longer ranges I have a stupid accurate 7mag with a brake so recoil is no issue.
Frontal area is a very legitimate factor. I love the Swede and feel that it is very capable but as you know the smaller bores are more sensitive to bullet choice, get to the .308 and larger and the average bullet is simply more effective….It becomes a much bigger deal when we get into big bodied deer and larger critters.
To settle this in some meaningful way, you would need to go on an extensive cull hunt in Africa, hunt same species/size(lets say at least 30 comparable animals each) with both the 308 and 6.5 cm in similar rifles and comparable bullet construction (Tikka T3x with eldx or ttsx) and collect data (distance, placement, how much time to get down etc)
Both of these cartridges hold 40-45 gr of powder(potential energy) and have a wide variety of projectiles available. It should be no surprise that they share a lot of performance overlap and are basically interchangeable.
@@simonharris4801 be happy with your 308. The real advantage of the creed in my book is the factory ammo. If you compare say 168 gold medal match to 140 hornady match the 6.5 creedmoor is way better probably once you get beyond 600-700 yards. If you start hand loading the performance gap will shrink a lot. You can get a way better bullet and probably pick up 100-150 ft/sec and then the only real disadvantage to the 308 is recoil and that isn’t a big deal unless you are on a timed event.
6.5 is a better catridige on performance; 308 is better for military guns, automatic loading and so on. Diferent finalities. 6.5 wears faster gun barrels too. What is important to you?
I got a SAKO in 6.5 PRC as it provides some additional velocity at range. Interesting to listen to guys try and split hairs between to medium game cartridges.... Then I don't see enough difference between the 308 and the Creedmore to justify the higher cost and lower choice options. My 308 is my go to, and the 6.5 PRC was a impulse buy because I wanted a SAKO.
For general rifle use 800 yards and closer the 308 can do ANYTHING the creedmoor can do & it can do several things the creedmoor can not. If you're a one rifle guy the 308 is the obvious winner. If you hand load bullets range from 100gr to 220 with any and every type of bullet available. Not hating on the 6.5 but it'll never live up to the 308 except in the minds of gamers and guys who believe everything they read on the www.
You guys need to go to TX, and test on live game. Or, just share Nathan Foster's work. Cause I know you guys are already reading or read it. But no one shares his writings and he's one of the absolutely the best out there. He make Ron Spomer look foolish, which isn't hard.... But I did enjoy your guys video here. It was hard to disagree with the 6.5 cm. I like 7mm-08 better than the cm. Especially the Go Wild.
If ballistics gel tests are performed, please test bullets at ranges/velocities of extended ranges. Terminal performance at extended ranges of 600 yards would be more relevant than 100 yards in todays world. At least test certain long range bullets such as ABLR and or federal terminal ascent at the 600 yards.
I would LOVE to see ballistics gel tests at 300 yards. That would help separate the wheat from the chaff both in bullet choices and cartridge choices. Shooting ballistics gel at 10-25 yards isn’t meaningless, but 300 yards would be MUCH more interesting to me.
Splitting hairs between the 2. Barrel life ammo selection and availability tips the scales in favor of the 308 for me. I own both and like them both but 308 is the clear winner head to head. Hard to beat a 308 with a 168 gr partition out to 4 or 500 yds for hunting. But the most important thing is the shooter and how much practice you put in regardless of caliber
6.5 is far more forgiving for shots over 800. At most huntimg ranges the 308 is excellent but shooting steel or maybe predators at true long range the 6.5 has a clear edge
168 eldm with a bc of .523 going 2800 fps makes almost 3000 lbs ft of energy at the muzzle, at 1k yards that bullet is still going like 1400 with an energy of 800 lb.ft that beats pretty much Any 6.5 creedmoor load
I like the AR10 chambered in 308 for a battle riffel and out to 500yrds it's better than any 5.56 or even the 6.5 creedmore or other 6.5s if i go long range i go with the 338Lapua magnum
Another great podcast. Thanks guys. I've got a 6.5, but not a .308. I've been a 30-06 guy, more than a .308 forever, and the 30-06 has always been considered a .308 magnum to me. This podcast has opened my eyes a bit more on the .308.
@@texpatriot8462you can literally handload 308 to match 3006 up until like 200 grain bullet weights, then the 3006s greater case capacity has the advantage.
@@chanoleyva8584there is no situation where a .308 can match a 30-06 loaded to equal pressures. It simply has more room for powder. If you said it’s an irrelevant difference at the lighter bullet weights, I’d agree with that.
Good point about the 308 case. It took me a long time to admit the 243 would kill deer just as dead as my 270 at reasonable, ethical hunting distances. I never thought of a 243 as a medium bore. For me that's .338, .358, .366 (9.3mm) and .375" bullet diameters. I have at least one rifle shooting bullets in all those diameters except the 375. 358 Winchester is great but little known number. I don't have a 243 but it's better on my wish list in a Savage model 99. Happy hunting!😊
A buddy of mine packed around a 26" 6.5 on a 10 day remote hunt in pws... by the end of this winter he had the local gunsmith chop it down to 18" like my rifle cause it was unwieldy to pack through willow thickets and up mountains 😆
It’s funny that people get all twisted up about a “long action” that adds, what, 1/2” to length? However, some cartridges really need a 24” or even 26” barrel while the 308 and others can do fine with a 20” or even 18” barrel. Which makes a bigger difference in rifle handiness? This gets even more important when you start talking about suppressors.
I have a cva scout in 6.5 creedmoor. talk about a small compact rifle with a 20 inch barrel. has a youth stock on it also, because winter clothing adds alot and full stock is all messed up with alot layer. but if you dont mind a single shot, it's the way to go to keep barrel length and keep the package small. not haveing 6 to 7 inchs of reciever really shortens every nicely. and that cva scout while not going to win me any matches can consistently keep my shots in a 1.5 inch group all day long, and any thing that does 2.5 groups I consider hunting good. it's most definitely a hunting rifle, worth looking into. and you can reload dang fast if you practice. not much difference in a bolt action. iv gotten off a second shot a few times on deer no problems.
I would love to see this test done. I actually have a lot of ideas floating around in my head right now for ways to do it. If you are serious about doing gel testing you should reach out to ballistic dummies lab and see if they can do a deer chest for you.
Wait.. speed? If you mean Velocity, my .308 runs 168gr ELD-M at ~2750fps, which is pretty much what I'd expect a 6.5 Creed to do with a 143gr. Although, personally I'd choose either one if I had both, based on what I have ammo for and which rifle I prefer shooting.
@@travismckenney407 okay, now I have to wonder - how is a chronograph going to tell you the speed at 300? Of course - use a ballistic calculator to calculate it using the BC off the same box that told you the velocity, which is also prone to being wrong (sometimes right, sometimes wrong - just like the velocity. BC changes as well). So what's the point of buying a chronograph for this, just look at a calculator. I've checked both Hornady and Nosler Ammo. The Creed generally starts a little behind, but not by much and at 300 it's closed the gap to be within 100fps almost every time (except one Hornady Match load where it's ahead - 6.5 147gr ELD-M at 2695fps vs .308 168gr ELD-M at 2700fps). But that is only if you're comparing 140gr vs 165gr. If you go to 130gr for the 6.5 or 180gr for the .308, the BCs are generally more similar and the Velocities shift more in the Creeds favour (not necessarily faster). Again, to me it comes down to the rifle itself, for instance how its setup, how accurate it is and how nicely it shoots, as well as the Ammo I have available.
I think a 3 way conversation with Ryan M., Ron Spomer Outdoors and Backfires, Jim Harmer my 3 favorite goto pod casts for losing myself in total hunting rifle indulgence...
Hahaha, absolutely! Luckily for me I've matured past taking sides on this one lol. My .308 serves me well, but I know a 6.5 Creed would do just as well for me.
Here's the problem with the 308 cartridge and why I've never understood how it became so popular. In order to really get efficient velocity, you need to shoot the lighter for caliber bullets with a lower BC. The 130s-150s shoot great out of the 308. But they also shoot great out of a 270 with a higher BC. You wanna step up to the 165-175 grain bullets? Good choice, oh, except that the 7mm chamberings do it better. The 30 cal bullets do great between 165-220, and now with the 300 PRC, up to 250. Oh, but your velocity with the 308 with those bullets is in the low 2000s. Wanna shoot those out of the 308, it's going to look like a basketball shot to shoot it to 500 yards. The thing the 308 does do well, is save your barrel life. Great. 80% of guns bought today will never have the barrel burned out, regardless of caliber or chambering
I have 7mm08 308win 6.5cm and love them , for elk n moose bush hunting 308win 168gr ,for deer 7mm08 140gr and for long range target shooting 6.5cm 147gr
I went .308 with a 16.25" barrel and a supressor. Nice because there are better subsonic bullets for .308. I load the 168 gr. Accubond LR for heavy loads and the Hornady Sub-X 175 for my subsonics. The range I typically take deer on the properties I hunt is 50-120 yards. The subsonic is still perfect for that and no ear pro needed. ;) I have a 1-4 x 25 lpvo and Iron sights on the .308 - Mossberg MVP in .308. I should add that being a box magazine fed, I can carry two mags one for high power in case a long range shot becomes available and keeping the subsonic in the rifle ready. I'd love to see your in depth review.
I've taken deer with.243,.280,30 30,308,.44magnum, .50 round ball,.54 round ball ,50 cal sabot , and 12 ga foster slug. I asked all those dead deer which they like best, but none answered me.
Thr 6.5 creedmore can rarely be compared against itself... where the 308... you have to figure out which one you want to compare... 308: 110gr, 130, 155, 165, 168, 170, 175, 180, 185, 210... and then we have to consider bullet type( fmjbt, sp, hpbt, otm), tifle barrel twist rate (1:14, down to 1:8) , barrel length14-24+.. etc etc
Why not both? You only need to swap the barrel. EDIT: for that matter you could have a 3rd barrel in 8.6 blackout and be able to shoot subsonic and supersonic. Also, FWIW, there is more 6.5cm ammo and projectiles both local/online for me. More than 308, but to be fair both 308 and 6.5cm are the 2 most popular cartridges unless you consider 223...🤭
I say 308 my opinions will never change more ammo selection, longer barrel life, more recoil for me than a creedmoor, and at certain times there's even cheaper ammo, and for the dad joke of my comment it's a 30 cal 😅
I have a 308 because it is still a nato standard. I do like the look of the 6.5, but would like to see it become a standard before investing alot into it. I would like to see a scar heavy in 6.5.
I have, and shoot and reload both. You will find the 6.5 creedmoor will be slightly more accurate -less drop. However, you can get more weight in the 308. So given the same speed on impact it will give more energy on the target. I load to give more speed out the barrel with both, slightly. While the 308 is more easy to find over the counter, the 6.5 Creed has become easy to get too. it depends on if your hunting or target shooting. But mostly it depends on if you practice, get that?
Please explain with some proof other than opinion how the 6.5 will be more accurate. I've shot in most rifle disciplines competitively since 1996 & would love to see the proof so that I may enlighten my fellow competitors
My friend from South Africa recently took his 6.5 Creedmoor with on an Eland hunt. At 210m hit right through the heart with an ELD-X, it ran maybe 20 paces and fell. I'm going to be taking my .308 after Eland soon and I am expecting pretty much the same result, based on shot placement. If I had both a .308 and a 6.5 Creed, I'd probably just pick on or the other based on the Ammo I have and which rifle is more fun to shoot, or whether it's the first tuesday of the month! I highly doubt I'd ever notice a difference in Terminal performance, only in recoil and joy to use, which both are affected just as much by the rifle itself.
I'm in SA and split between which one to get. A mate also just went with his 6.5 and shot everything under the sun with zero take down issues. The idea of walk and stalk plains game hunting would probably lend to a lighter 6.5 setup?
@@SeanZAcz Personally I think that as long as you put it where it needs to be with a bullet that does the job well, you probably won't notice a difference. I've unfortunately not been able to shoot a 6.5 yet, but hopefully soon. In my opinion, choose whichever you can find ammo for as well as a nicer rifle. I prefer the Howa 1500 and put mine into a stock/chassis, so for me the rifle part is sorted. As for ammo, up here in Namibia when I went into the store they had about 10 boxes of 6.5 Creed in total and 8 types of .308 with plenty of stock... so I went with the .308 - every time I'm in the store, there's plenty of ammo available. As per rifle setup, honestly I think you'd be just fine with a lightweight .308 or 6.5 just the same. I don't know if I'd notice the recoil difference. Personally, my choice would come down to what I have - if I have something smaller like a 6mm, I'd go .308, if I have something bigger like a .30-06 or .300 Mag, I'd go 6.5. Just to create a little bit more diversity between the choices. Don't be too troubled by it, you'll enjoy either. Lekker skiet!
Another great podcast. I think you need to do it but the stipulation needs to be with the 6.5 Creedmoor you shoot the most popular weight bullets i.e. 140, 143, 147 grain. And with the .308 you shoot the 150 to 165 grain.
I think you should do those objective tests for comparing cartridges, and I think you have to start by redoing the .308 vs 6.5 Creedmoor talk. 😂 As for future videos, I'd like to see a .300 WSM vs 7 PRC comparison, and a .270 Winchester vs 7mm 08 comparison. Maybe throw the 30-06 in those, too, as a "control" base to compare them.
Idc if it takes months, years. I want to see ordinance gel tests of the top 5 most common bullets in the top 3 cartridges of every caliber from .22 to .50. I'll take a 100 yard test, but I would like to see tests at 300 and 500
Lol,lets see how your 9 x 25 dillon rounds go @ 500 yards. These rounds are good for 50 yards maximum and thats pushing it. How you can even compare a pistol round to a rifle round is ridiculous and shows your lack of knowledge with ammunitions.
Even older calibers like the 30.06 with new powders and new projectile technology have become a different performance caliber than what they were originally intended. The 308 the 30.06. the 270 the 243 are going to benefit from new powders and new projectile technology.
They can't compete on high bc bullet options though. Fine for hunting medium game at reasonable ranges but out of their league in long range competition
My hunting was a bit of a stuffup this year. I could not find a Waterbuck for my .308 to shoot at, and then when we wanted to shoot Blesbuck and springbuck with my 6.5CM, the wind was trying to blow the veld away with it. I got two blesbuck, but it was not a great experience.
Up to mule deer 6.5 creedmoor. Elk and above in bear country, 308. Hornady cx, federal premium terminal assent, nosler accubond or Barnes and the new hammer bullets in 308. By the way Mark needs to give me his Browning blr 30.06 for Christmas.
If I had to choose between the 2 the 308 would be my choice I despise the SHITSMOOR...... But a better choice than both of those is the 7MM-08 period hands down...... And yes I drank the SHITSMOOR COOL-AID when it first came out and have owned and shot them the round in MY OPINION is junk..............
As a hunting gun the 308 kills the Creedmore with Taylors killing formula has the same killing power with 178 grain ELDX at 400yds that Creedmore has at 100.
Interestingly I moved from an 06 to lightweight .308 and 6.5CM rifles as my primary hunting arms. The 6.5CM goes more and more even compared to the .308. The 06 is a cannon for deer, but I keep it because I’m pretty sure there isn’t anything I can’t take in NA with a 168 TTSX @ 2,950. I have hunted elk with the 6.5CM and will continue to do so. On the flip side, I couldn’t ask for much more than what my .308 with 150 TTSX @ 2,900 provides.
Maybe, I just bring a modest weight 65 creed more tikka, And bring a shotgun with some stopping power just in case an angry grizzly presents. Grizzly is a valid concern, living in British Columbia. And we aren't supposed to use Pistols here... Unlike many states....
I've played a drinking game as I've listened to multiple back-to-back episodes. I take a drink every time I hear "smattering" and "folded like a five dollar bill." I'm now more than half hiccup snockered...
Not much difference if you are making an ethical shot, 500 meters and in. 308 wins if you want heavier projectiles above 150grains. Target long range, where impact FT/lbs don't matter, go 6.5 creed... But!...... 6.5 PRC would be better.
42:16 I'm curious, when you mention 'shoot ability' Comparing the two rifles... Why not compare identical rifles, simply chambered for each round. Ie. Lite mobile hunting rifle, chambered for each round. VS heavier rifle, (stand, prone, target, etc) chambered for each round. Right? Wouldn't that math, be almost more... Usable. Data? It would suggest perhaps, how much rifle you need to begin to mitigate or minimize the recoil from each shell cartridge. Nd could demonstrate how, while a lite rifle might appreciate the low kick 6.5 or 270, Compared to the mule kick of a 30 cal. (or larger) However, once you've stepped into a heavier furniture, for scope, stock, barrel, mount/bipod/bracing/etc.... And or applied a brake or a suppressor? To reduce recoil? How much the recoil on the larger shell. Can be mitigated, and thus, how much advantage the 65cr or the 270 would lose, As the heavier 'furniture' or system, would mitigate or counterbalance or compensate for the ammunition recoil, of the larger round.
20:34 So, if the 65 creedmore has generally lower recoil, from the same rifle, vs the .308 win... But you could decrease the felt recoil with a heavier rifle and increased stability platform... It sounds, as if in mobile hunting, that the 65 creedmore allows one to use a lighter rifle, and forgives shooting position compared to the .308... If I consider a 10 or 12 pound rifle, vs a 6 pound rifle, I should expect to feel the 308 kick much harder, I the lighter rifle? Ie. A tikka t3x Lite? Just not enough rifle mass to slow down that recoil force right? Hmmm... 65 CR...
.308 if you're going after bigger game, either if you're going after medium/varmint, 6.5CM if you're a competition shooter, though I guess there is F-class... I know this, neither are going anywhere. I kinda think this should have been .243 vs 6.5...
