Video Chapters Below ⬇ Thank y’all for watching Ep. 322! Please call us if you are looking for a new night vision or thermal optic! 877-350-1818 outdoorlegacygear.com Video Chapters: 00:00 Intro 1:37 Intro Show Topic 3:09 History of Night Vision 9:56 Pros and Cons of Night Vision 14:48 Current State of Affairs 29:47 Can Night Vision Weather the Storm? 33:36 Is Night Vision Dead?
Every now and then I’ll have insomnia, that’s how I stumbled on this channel, I’ve learned more about night vision thanks to you guys, I got my first high quality scope.
I have both but I can tell you I love hunting in the daylight with my NV and I can record the hunt. I hope they continue making them. I would love to get the 4k soon.
We actually did discuss the benefits of day hunting with scopes like the Wraith and we talked about how we liked it and our kids use them for deer hunting. But the topic is about night hunting and if thermal is killing NV for night hunting. We agree that DNV scopes offer great day hunting opportunities but the Pulsar thermal DUO’s do as well with full color HD daytime optics. Thanks!
Absolutely...having a daytime scope plus night vision is what I want. I don't want to dedicate a rifle to one or the other. The Digex C50 is great and if they were to improve the daytime (it's not bad as is) view, they would sell a ton of them. I don't know if Pulsar will because it would lack the profitability.
The C50 is now way behind in terms of image quality because there are now better sensor's being used by other manufacturers. Theses sensor's alow you to zoom in with a clear picture in day mode. They are a game changer for digital day/night scopes.
We sure hope they do. It’s a great scope but we’ve been told that the 4K sensors they’ve tested take away the amazing low light capabilities so it’s sort of a “one or the other” situation but they were working to make them both happen. Fingers crossed!
The Arken Zulus has a new Sony sensor that is not 4k but with the high grade glass they are using, you can crank the magnification up to 20x with minimal pixelation. If you can get a look at one it is amazing how much better the day time image is compared with the C50.
I have a Sightmark Wraith 4K mini on a Ruger American GoWild 22 wmr. I set a profile for 25 yards, 50 yards, and 100 yards. I use it to dispatch those masked corn thieven bastiges at my deer feeders. I can use at for day or night. Talk about using for deer/hogs I have the Pulsar Thermion Duo DXP50 that is amazing for daytime, night time or twilight.
The issue with that seems to be seeing very far in color at night. We’ve used some of the video cameras that work in very dark conditions and while they are amazing for fairly close range use, they don’t have the long range capabilities that hunters need. But is really cool technology!
Where are the clip on scopes in the market these days. I hear good things about them. I have owned an Iray bolt 384 for 4 yrs and very happy with it. This was a very informative show. Thanks
Clip ons are dead with only a few exceptions. They just don’t perform, they are clunky and can’t compete with a dedicated thermal scope that costs less and out performs the clip on in every way. We know those are strong words but after more than a decade in this business and testing most every hunting market clip on from the major companies….theres never been one that performed like everyone wishes they would. Maybe one day!
Thanks for watching. We were speaking about digital night vision. Tubed based night vision scopes have already completely left the hunting market. PVS14’s have faded down to a flicker of their previous popularity for hunters but they are really nice and a few guys still use them for navigation. But since tuned based NV for shooting has already died this was more about digital night vision which took its place.
@@jaredandrews379 - I listened to the whole thing. Excellent info as always. There was a discussion about night vision potentially being too cheap. $250 was used to prove I listened. My interpretation is that cheap night vision may be a competitor to PVS 14s. Is that a possibility?
@jeffb5781 ah now I understand what your saying. I've noticed pvs14s and dual tubes of good quality have become more affordable on a few different websites.
@@jaredandrews379They have actually went up in 2024, a lot of different specs and options to consider when making a analog nv purchase. Dual nvg’s with good specs $8k and up.
he's talking about crappy digital night vision... which were always pretty much unusable for any application except for ppl who plant and turret and are only going to take one accurate shot (hunters) except that for that application they're pretty much just flat out worse than thermals if that's all you're going to do. Analog night vision (including the pvs-14 that you're talking about) has a vastly different application, as true no lag display allows for huge advantages in navigation, follow up shots, and, well, combat. Pretty much anyone outside the hunting community (military/police/milsim/airsoft/basement larpers/stargazers/night hikers/1 am taco bell drive thru goers) has ALWAYS considered digital night vision performance completely unacceptable for helmet mounted use due to the inherent lag in digital devices and night vision scopes have always been a bad choice "for the poors" because they also vastly underperform IR laser/illuminator active aiming and even passive aiming through a red dot with binos/monoculars. Night vision digital scopes are going away because they were ALWAYS crap. Ppl just couldn't stomach the cost of analog night vision clip-ons or scopes for their limited application (as opposed to analog helmet borne night vision which is rapidly gaining popularity) if they were just going to turret and hunt animals that don't shoot back anyways. And as thermal technology (which, to be fair, has all the same downsides as digital night vision compared with analog night vision because they're just downsides inherent to digital devices) gets better and cheaper, of COURSE digital night vision is going to feel the squeeze. For the application, digital night vision is just across the board not as good as thermal... and for any other application, you're going to just want an analog pvs-14 or some form of binos if you're willing to drop the 2-10 grand it takes to get those. Digital night vision trying to fight thermals is a fool's errand. Both being digital units, one tech just outperforms the other for the use most buyers are looking for that are interested in them for. Where digital night vision SHOULD be focused is focusing computing power on reducing that inherent lag for digital units. Who cares that a unit is 4k or 8k if it still takes a split second to catch up to real world motion? Who cares how good a picture looks like or if you get color or not if you put a monocular on your helmet and it gives you nausea after running around for 15 mins. Get rid of digital lag and suddenly a $1.5k digital night vision monocular looks a LOT more appealing compared to a $3k pvs-14.
We talked about it when they first came out and there has been 0 other hard info released. We know nothing more than we did on May 1st? If there is factual hard data released we’ll report on it! Thanks for watching
For night hunting, thermal will dominate over DNV. However, as DNV gets better and better, it will start edging in on analog night vision systems (PVS-14, Echo, etc). Instead of buying an $8k analog bino set up, I bought two NVG30s with a bridge and for 15% of the price, I have about 80% of the capability. I also got a (relatively) cheap thermal handheld for those totally dark situations where I really don't want to use any IR. Great little setup for the price.
@@ngaoutdoors4157 Absolutely! Analog is the way to go if price isn't a primary concern. Digital has a ways to go yet. But it is heading in that direction.
We do not believe intensifier tube NV us going away in every market. It has already gone away from the hunting market so that’s a done deal. The question is if digital NV will go away too. But we know that in military and security related markets analog NV isn’t in any major danger.
I am interested in thermal. Never think much about NV. I think NV is more for binocs on helmets for the military / operators. Thermal is bad enuf for $, NV needs the lotto to cooperate.
The discussion is so narrowly focused on hunting as to be of questionable utility. Digital night vision is about as useful as a toilet paper life jacket. Spending any time discussing it is like discussing how to haul sheets of plywood on a bicycle. The two are complimentary technologies. Night vision tends to be higher resolution, no latency, and takes less power. Great to scan an area with to build a mental map of the area and use when just walking through an area where you don't want to spook animals with a light. Thermal chugs batteries by comparison, is lower resolution, and tends to have some latency. However it is fantastic at detecting people and animals that are out in the open. Hammers didn't go away once we invented screwdrivers. Same will be the case here.
We’re not talking about PVS14’s, that’s not a hunting scope. We’re talking about rifle mounted scopes. Tube based NV rifle scopes are no longer used for hunting and 10 years ago they were being used 10 to 1 over thermal scopes.
Or when they just integrate NV into thermal scopes. If some company could make NV in a red dot size and weight package I think it would have a place in the market.
