Ep. 37 Breakbeat/Electronic Snare Sound

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Having stumbled upon this fun little hack several years ago, I figured it was time to let it out into the world and see what people think of it. I’ve never seen anyone else use the Evans MX5 as a batter head before but I happen to love the unique sound it produces, which reminds me a bit of an 808 snare sample mixed with some of the more modern electro snare sounds.
Yes, this head costs more than a standard drumhead but that’s just how it goes. It is less expensive than the Evans Hybrid head, so that’s nice.
As mentioned in the video, I strongly recommend using this head on metal drums only, just because of the potential for the fibers cutting into bearing edges under higher tensions.
This also works best with 8 or 10-lug drums because it’s easier to get the head up to pitch because of the distribution of tension across a higher lug count.
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@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Wanna hear it? Skip ahead to 4:24 for just and snare and then 13:41 with the kit.

@ContentsMayDiffer 5 лет назад

Skip ahead? Heresy!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

@@ContentsMayDiffer We think so too but we figure'd you might want to go back and listen to the demo excerpts after watching the full video through a few times 😉Thanks for the support! -Ben

@MatteoBussotti 5 лет назад

I've been following you guys since the first Evans Hydraulic heads video and I've watched all your videos. Simply put, you're one of the best things that happened to drum videos! I love the way you explain things and the topics you speak about, there's something for everyone! And, it goes without saying, you showed me things I didn't know about, and made me rethink about some sounds of my drumset (I absolutely loved the video about bass drum tuning, it's simple, exhaustive and thorough). So...thank you thank you thank you a lot for everything you do! Can't wait for the next video! Much love from Italy! Matteo

@Eurodrummer666 5 лет назад

1. I clicked on the video. 2. I clicked on the Like icon.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks for the support! -Ben

@BrodySimpsonDrums 5 лет назад

Hell yes dudes! Great vid as usual. Particularly great to hear Ben absolutely killin' some breakbeats too!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks so much, Brody! That means a lot coming from you. Cheers! -Ben

@rhythmista7707 5 лет назад

I first discovered the placement of a cut out drum head on top of the snare drum a very long time ago. This was by accident, when i was changing heads and placed one of my drum heads on the snare, and just had the sudden urge to tap the snare drum. I was immediately blown away at how something as simple as this method, automatically and drastically changes the pitch and of course, the tone.. And, with simple experimenting of snare wire tension coupled with the drum head placed on the snare drum, you can get so many different "electronic" snare drum sounds. There is a video of Mark Giuliana demonstrating this technique. Once again, great video guys!

@secondsbeforelanding 5 лет назад

A really well done video (as usual). Thanks for playing it with the rest of the kit at the end. Happy Thanksgiving to you all.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks so much for the kind words! Happy Thanksgiving!

@JeffRandallDrumming 5 лет назад

Digging that sound! I’ve got to imagine it feels way different than a normal head to play on...

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Definitely a different feel but not as different as the sound. It has a surprising amount of focused mid-range “pop” to it.

@JeffRandallDrumming 5 лет назад

Copy that. Definitely worth a try!

@sidmarks265 5 лет назад

Thank you so much. Yet another inventive video. Keep them coming, I look forward with anticipation to the next one.

@BCSchmerker 5 лет назад

+soundslikeadrum *This unusual set-up looks to me as though it needs 12 lugs.* Perhaps a new model from the TAMA®/Hoshino® SLP™ line with 12 single-piece lugs, 3mm steel shell, die-cast hoops top and bottom, and old-school release and butt with snare guides. Currently J. D'Addario & Co., Inc., doesn't have a cable snare in the PureSoundPercussion® lineup to complement an Evans® SS14MX5 batter and S14GEN20 resonant, but Grover® does nothing but cable snares for its own drums. Club Bright potentially suitable for breakbeat tone?

@Matthew-nm7tu 5 лет назад

Your attention to using ® is unparalleled!

@thundermolloy 5 лет назад

Now I need yall to try using a Evans J1 etched head on the snare side. I did this once out of desperation after my reso head got damaged and the music stores were closed. Found the thinnest head i had in my emergency head selection (heads ive tried out but immediately removed after not liking it, but saved since they are good back ups for emergency situations). Since i had no reso heads available, i grabbed the thinnest head with the least aggressive coating i ccould find (I hate clears). The J1 was supprisingly good. Lower tone, and more articulate than i imagined.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

I have tried this out of curiosity regarding the texture and wasn't really impressed. It's still essentially a G1, which is way too thick to get a decent range of snare response. You could dial it in to a certain sound but that was pretty much it. Evans discontinued the series too so those heads are on their way out. -Ben

@thundermolloy 5 лет назад

Yea i see that. It was out of desperation and I was surprised it sounded as good as it did. I got it to work for that one show than got a good ole hazy 300. Anyways, i thought id be cool if y'all tried a few unothodox head combos, like hydraulics top and bottom on toms, or g1 coated top and bottom.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

@@thundermolloy We've definitely got some of this videos in the queue! Keep an eye out for more. -Ben

@cor3ylee 5 лет назад

I’ve been curious about the reason as to why the j1 was discontinued? Do you have any thoughts about it?

@BahasaDrum 5 лет назад

Thanks SLAD! love this

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks for watching! Help spread the word and share the video. -Ben

@JulianFernandez 5 лет назад

cool sound

@drummerg3331 5 лет назад

Cool sound. To me it sounds more like a tight piccolo or even just a regular marching snare than an electronic sound. I’d love to see a video of some marching heads on a kit snare, such as the remo falam 2 or the Evans hybrid grey and hybrid coated. Keep up the great work.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

It definitely has that high-tension marching snare quality of sound. I’ve recorded this a couple different ways in the past and have been stunned by the synthetic/electronic tone you end up with. Admittedly, it doesn’t transfer as well to a distant mic. I’ll be taking a Hybrid head through it’s paces in a future vid for sure. -Ben

@lars212k 5 лет назад

Interesting.

@RA2Music 5 лет назад

What are you using for a snare side head and wires? I’m sure those choices contribute to the overall electro sound as well.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Snare Side is an Evans Snare Side 300 and Puresound Custom Pro Steel 20-strand wires (standard for what I run on this drum). Only factor that's been changed is the batter head and tuning. -Ben

@chromebull884 5 лет назад

I would love to hear what it sounds like on a 12" steel snare!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Unfortunately, since it’s a marching snare head, they’re only available in 13” and 14”. -Ben

@K.Dor.888 3 года назад

I'd love to hear it on a thirteen inch brass piccolo

@MatthewBlackMedia 5 лет назад

So awesome. Thanks for the idea.... sounds stellar!!!

@LilyJaneH 5 лет назад

Aquarian used to have the chieftain series of Kevlar heads. My high school used to use one on the snare side of one of our 13s when our instructor popped 2 Falams snare sides a week and a half before a competition.

@gwardie 5 лет назад

Wonder how it would sound on a piccolo snare o.0

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Pretty incredible! I don't own a piccolo snare but I've tried this on a Pearl Brass drum and it screamed. -Ben

@Aleph_Null_Audio 5 лет назад

I've gotten some interesting sounds replacing standard snare wire with fishing wire and twine. Very dry and articulate. Not a very wide tuning range, though.

@jacobfriedman4135 5 лет назад

What hats are those???

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Prototype Zildjian Special Dry 12” with a 10” A Custom EFX stack on top. -Ben

@gavin_bigred 2 года назад

You need to try a falams xt by remo. As well as a remo white, black, and suede max, and a evans system blue. Marching heads low tension on drumset are really interesting

@SoundsLikeADrum 2 года назад

Quite familiar with all of those.

@gavin_bigred 2 года назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum it would be cool to have one big video showcasing marching heads.

@tayewalker1129 5 лет назад

Where did you learn to make that flower pot drum? Super interested in making one for my girlfriend for christmas.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Glad you dig it! It’s just an idea I had- only needed to cut the hole in the drumhead to match the diameter of the interior pot. Cheers! -Ben

@tayewalker1129 5 лет назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum that's a lot simpler than i thoughg, thank you very much!

@Reeftanknology 5 лет назад

Really appreciate all the amazing info you guys provide. Incredibly helpful................keep it up!!!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks for watching and for the kind words. Cheers! -Ben

@fabio.n4458 5 лет назад

sounds sweet! I love it thx

@ELsplitterz 5 лет назад

This video is straight up exactly what I've been looking for. Gonna get this head on my vintage acrolite ASAP!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

I love doing this on my 60’s Acrolite as well! Definitely don’t fight the drum on tension though- it doesn’t seem to take as much as the Supra does but I love the tone. -Ben

@PabloPoch 5 лет назад

Would you place splash cymbals on this snare head to create an even more electronic sound? Or would you recommend to use this head OR a splash cymbal?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

You certainly could (and should experiment) but I’ve found that the sound of just this head is more true to what I had in my ear. I like placing a splash on a standard head that isn’t tuned too high or adding some jingles to a head that’s tuned ultra low. Cheers! -Ben

@mavericks3844 5 лет назад

That sounds incredible.... does it matter what reso head you have on?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Glad you dig it! The snare side will have an effect. A 3mil does just fine though the 2mil will provide a bit more snare response at a lower dynamic (great for ghost notes). -Ben

@cjansenATL 5 лет назад

Here's an idea for a future episode: How about deep diving on Keltner's playing of the snare side head for specific effects.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Already in the queue! -Ben

@basi-vega35 5 лет назад

DW Edge Snares work nicely with this head as well. I am not too sure about lower tuning though..but the wood warms it up a tad.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Yep! I use an Evans Hybrid coated batter head tune low and fat on my 13” DW Edge. Excellent combo...will probably talk about this in a future video. -Ben

@Wunlerve 5 лет назад

another great vid, can you tell me what hats were used in the demonstration?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Those were some prototype 12” hats with a 10” Zildjian A Custom EFX stacked on top. Love the trashy, articulate sound from them. -Ben

@squarelevelplumb 5 лет назад

I onced used a 5 mill snare side head on the batter. I didn't like the sound on the snare side and figured worth a try. It sounded fine but when i detuned the head to remove it, it looked like a photo of the moon. Every stick hit left a crater that wasn't visible when the head was on tight.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Those are VERY different snare side heads and definitely don’t take impact well at all. We’ll have an episode on a similar topic in the future. -Ben

@squarelevelplumb 5 лет назад

Yeah. I was a bit off topic but for anyone else with the idea.....Don't bother. @@SoundsLikeADrum

@Bluums 5 лет назад

I'm still kicking myself for not buying the Remo TSS 10'' Max Range when it was in production, I can not find it anywhere! Desperately looking for it :/ But this could be a really nice alternative, thanks for the idea! Too bad these heads don't come in 12'' size, that would be ideal for me

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

I feel the same way! Every once in a while they pop up on eBay but they’re pretty highly coveted. Enjoy! -Ben

@Bluums 5 лет назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum are we living in the same universe? Because I have checked ebay every day in a row for several years :D I have never ever seen the TS-1010-SN (10'' kevlar with snares) version on ebay. At this point I wouldn't even care what the price is (now, that's scary), I'd buy it instantly. I have seen 12'' versions and I even bought a 12'' one with mylar head, but it's just not the same :(

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Not sure what to tell you. I’ve had a Google Alert going for these things for years now.

@Bluums 5 лет назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum well then, sir, see you at the bid war, I'll be your final boss! :D

@miniatureface 5 лет назад

I feel like this video rambled on too long. There was a lot of unnecessary talking, especially parts that were stated multiple times and points that felt obvious or self-explanatory and therefore not insightful (as an experienced drummer). I could talk about drums all day face-to-face, but for a RU-vid video, I found myself skipping at 10-second increments a lot. I don’t normally feel this way for this channel. That being said, I only mean this as constructive criticism and think you’re doing an awesome job. The snare sounded really cool, and I especially liked the clip with the whole kit. That snare sounded great for the groove, and was played super smoothly.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Sorry you felt that way. We try hard to make sure that we’re providing enough information to cover those that, unlike yourself, are not as experienced all the wya up to those that are touring professional but might not be as hands-on with tuning. Can’t please everyone though. Glad you enjoyed the sound. -Ben

@EleniEliades_ 5 лет назад

O.K. people at " Sounds like a Drum " , not every drummer has, likes, or plays a metal snare. . .SURPRISE ! I know, really. I play Jazz, Daru Jones type Jazzy Hip-hop, as well as create Jazz influenced beats on my Drum set to electronic sounds/devices. I use two wooden Snares. How about you do a series of information concerning Wooden Snares ? My 10" × 5 3/4" Maple Gretsch is main snare. Auxiliary snare is a small thinner Sonor Snare 10" × 2 3/4" . So talk about Wooden Drum issues please, thanks. 💡🌵🐾🔥👀💥💋🌟✔

@Wunlerve 5 лет назад

r u ok