(EP 4.) $2000 MISTAKE sets us back! (Starting a trash business) 

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How DARE you decide to use garbage liners and try to simplify each stop to tossing a single bag instead of going through the struggle of grabbing 28 walmart shopping bags filled exclusively with wasp nests! People just don't want to see someone losing a bit of money for convenience, you should automatically be pinching every single penny you can for maximum profit! All sarcasm of course, love putting on one of your videos with my morning coffee :)

For $8000 I'll build you a tipper arm that not only dumps +1000 pounds. It will also be able to dump at any spot down the side of the trailer. You won't have to touch a single bag.

I worked on the back of a garbage truck for 5 years. I can tell you that you can save a lot of time if you leave the garbage can at the curb after you dump it. Taking it back up the driveway or behind the fence takes up a lot of time over your 20+ stops trust me. Essentially the more houses you get, that will eat up a lot your time and add more time. Thats a quick was to gain time back.

i love all the suggestions on how to "make it work" when he is clearly over it and made a whole video why it is not going to work.

I am amazed that tool cost 2k. It seems like it would cost around 750 based on construction. Maybe this can be looked at as a "one size doesnt fit all". Maybe having a tipper is still a good idea for 10-20% of the time. having both sides accessible seems like a great idea. How about several acccess points, front and rear so the trash piles you are dumping in are better spread out without needing spread out? Just thinking the lower the rail you have to clear to load the better.

Talk to Knight Global, we can make one with Air so all you need is an Air tank and 100% duty cycle Also Note, you already have hydraulic pump from you hydraulic dump trailer

Good learning experience! Having customers willing to pay in full for the year definitely helps. We charge a flat monthly rate all 12 months and offer a 10% discount in January to anyone who pays in full . It's a great way to start out the year with $10k -$20k sitting in the bank 😎☝️

That one look at the camera screamed “Me and my bright ideas” 🤣

You already know from your lawn service that there are some people will leave negative comments no matter what you do. And others who know everything even if they have never had anything to do with what you are doing. I, on the other hand, have no personal knowledge or feel that I have to give negative advice. I really like your videos. Doesn’t matter what you are doing. I can learn things, enjoy a good laugh, or just relax and watch someone else work. Keep up the good work!

Hey Brad, did you think about looking into dump Insert trash trucks where they can slot into a 25/3500 pick up truck bed with a hydraulic tipper and garbage sweep? They seem like a set up that could work really well for your application and the total cost for the insert would not be, anywhere near a full trash truck.

I love reading the comments on small business channels. The keyboard CEOs crack me up 😂

I love the videos on the lawn care and trash services. Can't wait for the new ones. Have you thought about putting a door in the side cut-out on the wood railings to keep things from blowing out? You could leave it open while running the route and then close it when transporting the trash to the landfill.

There’s a guy here who has a dump trailer specifically made for trash pickup, with a packer and a pickup arm. 24ft tri axel trailer. Costed him little under $8k for the arm, and packer

This business development has brought me joy and I greatly look forward to your vids lately, thanks for doing this! Please share tks with the wife if she doesn't see this as well. You guys rock!

It's been really fun for me to watch your new business venture. There's a whole lot more to trash collection (without a proper truck) than expected. Great critical review. A+

Brad, always enjoy watching your vids because they are clear, concise and informative! You have ventured into a new business and I for one appreciate how you honestly and fully disclose the ups and downs of starting out. Always floors me when people just feel that they need to be so critical! This for education and entertainment!! Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls!!! 👍

Good morning. I am enjoying the saga of starting a new business. A tipper arm that runs along a permanent rail would solve the problem of trash being dumped in the same spot, but that would require some serious engineering. ( Like a project for those earning a degree in mechanical engineering ) As a Jax resident I always enjoy recognizing many of the places you work.

Hey Brad, Don't mind the negative comments, all this is, is a good learning stepping stone for your new trash business... Good for you for trying out new things... From here on out you will grow and learn. Give it time and you will get everything straight in out. I have always wanted to start my own trash business, I currently work for a big corporate trash company. What you are doing is a blessing and you should be very proud of yourself. This is all just a new learning curve. I love your vids by the way!

If you do end up finding a tipper you like, might I suggest trying to find a way to mount it on parallel rails mounted to the side of the trailer? It would at least solve the problem of moving the trash pile. I know it’s a pipe dream but if you love efficiency whatever trailer solution you end up with will be 100% purpose built anyway😂. Don’t be afraid to dream and workshop any “crazy” ideas you have for efficiency! I’m addicted to efficiency myself!

Just started watching the videos today but I been thinking about starting a trash company and these videos from you and other creators are making me want to start one right now

really happy i found this! Cant wait to watch this journey!

keep up the great work love your vids

If i were running this particular trailer set-up I make the sides fold down and be able to fold up when transporting from route to landfill. The tipper idea was just a learning curve...I appreciate the videos and enjoy the concept...WTG Brad and Mrs Brad!!

i also use Jobber....I respect the fact that you keep it real....you show the ups and downs of business. Respect.

You are right to protect yourself. This kind of work is called sanitation for a reason. You have a great model. I'm glad you are doing a matrix and cost analysis and operational cost analytics so you can track your ROI.

I understand the tipper didn't work out for you but I am glad that you shared it because it would be great for my grandparents to use on the farm. Grandpa currently uses his old tractor but its a pain for him to use in the winter time.

I’d look into a winch and pulley setup for that arm mechanism so you have more power and depending on the size of your pulley on the winch can change your dump speed.

Awesome video! It is really interesting to see how you service you routes and the things you are learning along the way! Btw sometimes people wait a few weeks and let there trash pileup before they put it out to the curb.

29:00 you could make a small door that covers that opening. Some plywood, hinges and a latch. Maybe $50-$100 and no more blowout and bad looks.

Yeah the ASMR version got me too. I was waiting for the new video because you said something in the comments on the last one about the disaster of a lift arm. So I got the video in my recommended and had to check and realized that it's just the last video but an ASMR version.

Thats the mindset difference between an employee and a business owner. As an owner you are constantly thinking of ways to streamline everything, that is how you increase the bottom line.

Sorry to hear the bin tipper you got didn't really work out for you as intended. I guess it will only get used when you have heavy and full bins, probably not much use to go to the effort to use it when there is not much waste in the bin. Even when used with full and heavy bins, it looks like it will take a lot of effort to maneuver and flip the bins. It is really cool watching these videos and you talking through the issues you have found and how you have learned from these issues to develop things further in the future, such as the net over the waste. I wonder if you could source a second hand electronic bin flipper of an old stationary compactor unit they use at businesses such as malls? Do all your customers need new bin liners on each pickup? Some of your customers look to be bagging their waste up very well and possibly would not need a new liner and maybe you could be tossing the customer's bags individually into your trailer which could help with not needing to use the tipper or lift one big heavy bag into the trailer? After unloading and you find the bin liner is beyond your standards of cleanliness, then the liner could be replaced? It may take some more time to toss smaller bags one after another into the trailer but would this be offset by the struggles of lifting one big bag or the time it is taking to use the bin lifter and rake to move the waste in the trailer? Tossing individual bags may allow you to load the trailer better too rather than loading from the same point on the trailer each time. Look forward to seeing how this project develops, keep up the great work and the top quality video production!

Great video! I feel so bad for you with that arm. It looked a lot better than how it prrformed lol. One thing i didnt hear you mention was how much more messy the dump trailer was. When you have to move all that trash around after each stop a lot of it comes out which leads to the probability of trash flying out to be much higher. Keep pushing with this business! You're doing amazing.

Keep up the good work! You’re learning, the cost of learning is worth it! Love the videos! Up north we need the 4 wheel drive all year round

Hello Brad, I will have to agree with everything you said. Perhaps you could beef up the frame of the tipper, and install a more powerful gas shock. But its also like you said, you'd still have the issue of the tipper, putting the bags in the exact same spot. Short of an official garbage truck, or more complex (which means more expensive) tipper, I'm really not sure where you would go from here. I appreciate your transparency. Good deal on the new dump site though!

Have you looked at the dump Dolly.Easy latch? It's a Dolly that you could roll to pick up the trash can and then put it on the side of the trailer and it lifts the trash in into the trailer. You could dump it anywhere along the side of the trailer. It's battery powered. Around four thousand dollars

Dude, you’re doing amazing. Keep up the great content and work and I just want to say I’m so sorry for the comments you’re getting have a great one. I’m excited for next week.

I agree with that garbage truck comment. I’m not saying a brand new 20 ton garbage truck, but maybe those small pack rats they make. You could probably pick one up for the same price as that truck and trailer. It would be way faster and easier on you. Watching you do that trash just looks way too time consuming and not worth it.

It's the bummer the tipper arm idea was a no go, but sometimes you just don't know until you try and the money is spent. I appreciate the openness and honesty of being able to admit mistakes were made, and the business in general.

I get your issues with the arm. I was one who kept thinking he's got to get some kind of tipper while watching previous videos. That arm looks pretty flimsy, I can't believe they charge 2k for that thing. You could probably rig up something to deal with the fact that stuff piles up in the same spot with a winch a metal plate and some tracks for it to ride in. That plus a better arm design I would still think beats manually throwing bags at each stop, but I get why you might not want to spend any more time or money trying to fabricate something like that on your current scale. People saying you should make another channel for ASMR videos are not wrong from a youtube add sense perspective in the long term. Having 2 very different types of videos on a single channel can help grow subscriber numbers in the short term. However catering to two very different audiences on the same channel will hurt you in the long term as it will result in your videos being recommended less often. I've seen this occur on other channels before most often in gaming channels. They build an audience in one game and eventually the channel growth slows so they start to cover a second game in an attempt to continue the growth. Their existing viewers aren't interested in the new game so don't watch the videos when they are recommended resulting in a lower click threw rate. In this example say 50% as they only watch the videos of the old game, and lower click threw rate for the channel leads to it being recommended less often. There are channels that I am subscribed to that literally don't even show up on my main page when they post anymore because of this.

For lifting purposes, would it be possible to add a winch/pulley system to assist with the lifting process? Even if you mounted it near the front of the trailer, and mounted a handful of pulleys along the cable route, the winch would be out of the way.

Par-kan easy dump. Sell the dump trailer and put this on the back of your pickup you’ll probably come out with money in your pocket. Looks like a good solution if I were you. It has a compactor so even though it’s smaller than the trailer you probably will be able to fit close to the same amount.

Hey CopperCreekCuts just started watching this trash business. Gotta say let the haters hate. you got all these people say this and that but let them say whatever cuz they aint the ones doing the work. you got a great work ethic so Im def going to keep watching. keep up the good work brother.

I think you are doing a great and great model. Keep up the good work. I respect the hustle.

Don't give up on the lift yet. I saw someone recommend replacing the struts with stronger ones. Also, I was thinking maybe you could build a ramp on the inside of the trailer so the bags are forced to roll away from the "landing spot" where the lift deposits them. This could save you the trouble of pushing the bags away with a rake at each stop. Keep Up the Hussle!

Love this channel!

"Pimp My Dump Trailer" "We heard you like picking up trash, so we built you a lifter and trailer that will compact your trash, your trash's trash, and even more trash to the point it'll look like an exploding zit when you roll up at the landfill!" I love your sticktoitiveness and wish you and your wife the best of luck! I wish I could help, but I'll be in the comfort of my home office, watching your progress and rooting for you!

Brad - ignore the naysayers. They are just trying to get a reaction, and some are jealous they do not have your drive, ambition, and smarts. Just keep doing what you're doing. It's great.

I wanted to address your talking about lifting the trailer to move the garbage to the back. You mentioned it would take 2 min each time and doing that for each stop would be cumbersome. My thoughts though you wouldn't/shouldn't have to do it each stop. But maybe every 5 stops. And its not a perfect solution to end all but it is a solution for the interim to make it slightly easier. And if you plan it right the wifey can perform the tip while you're walking a can back up a 100yd driveway. :D

Instead of pushing the garbage with a rake, I would hit the dump button on the trailer so atleast the garbage goes towards the doors out of the way.

Thanks for the updates.

Another good video, keep it up!

You just need a collapsable staircase on the side of the trailer. Then you can just go up a few steps a put the bag in way easier, I think. Also, a cheap way to tie the liner bags so dont have to worry about errant trash pieces flying about.

Hey, Brad! Gotta love the naysayers. They're always so full of...well, I'll be nice, so let's just say, they're own version of wisdom. Best of luck to you! You'll find your groove!

Another great video! Too bad the tipper arm didn’t work as thought of, but completely understandable with the pile of trash by the tipper. Already excited to see next week’s video!

Maybe you could have the lifter be at the right side towards the front and have another spot on the left side near the back so you could space out dumps without having to move the bags with a rake or stick. Hope the best for your new business!!

11:00 look at getting stronger gas struts and empty light cans by hand, and heavy cans with it.

Bro I’ve got 2 ideas for the trash being in the same spot and having it full. Why not build a heavy duty plate weld on 2 or 4 or 5 pistols that has a metal plate on the other side as well for push the garbage to the gate. (So essentially 2 heavy duty metal plates with big powerful hydraulics on it and weld on side to the back of the trailer) Another idea is look into a piece of farm equipment for manure tossing, it’s essentially got a conveyor that pushes a wall. You could buy one of those and slightly customize it to have a dump gate and a lift piston

Maybe you can fabricat a posher that will run on the hydraulic power of the trailer You don't need that it will posh all the way Only behind the dumping area and then it's gonna posh the trash bit by bit Also it's gonna be best to make the posher move after the lifting arm or even in the time you're driving. You gonna need only tow calenders and a metal plate whit a plastic down

Congratulations on 3 new cans/customer

Hi there! It's me again, the european guy from your last video. As I said earlier I am happy to see your thing going and thus anything I write here are ideas and not criticism. First of all, about the can lifting mechanism, I have two ideas for a DIY thing, one using a manual hydraulic pump to pump the thing up and then with a lever to get it back down, just like a car jack, a barber shop seat or a crane to lift a car engine, that would be more usefull than the thing you have or an other idea is to use a mechanism with gears and some kind of chain like the bike chain to rotate a wheel and the gearbox to transfer the movement to the chain on witch the can is put, taking the can up and then rolling over and into the trailer. The second thing is about the manualy spreading the garbage into the trailer, my idea is to put the mechanism as much as you can near the front of the trailer and when the grabage piles up you just tip the trailer a bit with the back doors closed making the pile to roll backwards to the doors. This video just provoked me to try and make a sketch for a DIY can lifting thingy and I might put my engineering skills until next week's episode to draw something. Best wishes and good luck!

Fun fact. Some places now make dual arm sideloaders so u can operate on either side. Often tho one side is outside controls only but still

Hey man, I love watching your videos. One suggestion I have is when you put the liners in try to fold them up a bit. If you do this, people can see your logo. Good luck!

Man what bothers me the most is i've been watching this series without having you subscribed 😭 I promised i just subbed I just realized it!

Buy some stronger gas struts and see if that helps. Might get the issue of not being able to get it down but

I've been having this problem for years. My dump trailer sides are 7ft tall from the ground. Lifting up brute trash cans full of tile/concrete is a pain and dangerous.

Just a thought, I’m sure you’re aware of. If you injury yourself you are pretty much screwed. The faster you train a backup person the better. I ran into this issue with a cleaning business I owned.

Would be worth it to raise the dumb trailer every 3 to 4 stops? That could solve the spreading issue and not add any physical labor. Could be worth it, ltipper arm or not.

Not really suggesting that getting a different trailer is a good solution, but if you had a live bottom dump(basically just a conveyer) maybe you could have a tipper up front and run the live bed to move the trash in the trailer. I wish it would have worked better for you

You should lift with your back and neck in a yanking, twisting action. That’s where you get all of your strength!

All issues with the tipper aside, you wouldn’t want to utilize the dump feature of your trailer to periodically move the trash out of the way instead of the rake? You would obviously have to move the tipper to the front of the trailer bed which could be really annoying to re situate all that

Would love to see a full video on the jobber setup for this business!

If you had one extra helper the loader would be almost perfect despite the defects. You both get down, while you get the trash, the other brings the loader down, and hops inside the trailer and waits for you to load the garbage can. You load it in, the garbage falls, and you while you reel it back to get the can and take it back to its spot, the other person can drag the trash bag towards the gate of the trailer, clearing room for the next load. That same person, your helper, can load the EAGLE back into its position by the time you get back, you'd just need to get into the truck! Maybe hold on to it?

I was so happy to see that you listened to your fans and bought that lift, that was until I saw you speak so negatively about it, in that case I am sorry that it didn’t work out..

Hey brad! I was thinking that maybe you could do a dumpster service when you don't need the dump trailer? Like leave it at someone's house for a few days? I don't really know what you do with the trailer outside of trash day but if you don't use it maybe that could be another source of income? Anyways i love following up on this series every week! Have a great day!!

When I was a kid our garbage truck was an open top truck that they through the garbage in. Today they are close tops that are made to handle all kinds of garbage. I have the same type of can that you use. On back of the truck is a flat plate that grabs a bar on the can and flips up to dump out the garbage. And you are very cheap because I pay over $20 a month for a can and to pickup the garbage once a week.

A tipping arm isn't really gonna be of use at all because you have nothing to compact the trash and move it out of the drop zone like normal trash trucks do. So its not really feasible. But you should always tarp your loads that's usually required on all trash trucks with open tops.

I have a suggestion, maybe you could transform that tipper arm into a box where you can put the big trash bags in and then use the tipper box arm to lift it up instead of carrying the whole can also, just add a box to put trash in and then lift the arm.

It seems the lift mechanism is way too narrow as it twists as you load. I wondered if an arm could be put on to give you a longer lever to lift with that could easily fold back or collapse between stops. It looks like if you weld a gusset onto the existing lift handle and put an arm extension ant a right angle to the ground, it will give you a little more reach and leverage to get the load moving. Also, is there a way to put the tipper on rollers and pin it in various places. Extend the upright hooks to reach full sideboard height. Fill the trailer front to back to keep safe tongue weight. Just possible solutions. It already doesn't work as you wanted. A few modifications and bracing and it may do the job better for you.

Just a shot in the dark but maybe in the middle of your trailer on the side build the door that pulls down on struts that is a ramp that you can pull a can into your trailer walk it to wherever you need to in your trailer dump it over and then walk it back out the ramp

Maybe you already considered this, so apologies in advance, but I recently saw I think a Ford F550 with a Trash Truck bed. And I looked on Facebook marketplace, and it seems that there are used trash trucks of all sizes (from the size of F150's to full sized) available for around $30K. When I saw that F550 one my first thought was that would be perfect for a smaller trash business like yours. Have you considered something like that for this business?

Now that you have those cut-outs, would it be worth adding some doors that you can shut if you know you’ll be going at a higher rate of speed? Something hinged with a locking mechanism seems like a decent idea to really enclose the whole space.

Only thing I wish you could do that you can't change is putting move videos out!! I love watching these!!!!

Consider putting the slot for loading in the back half that way you can decide where to load something based on many factors mostly being even loading even though you may have to load on the opposite side of the pickup location and also being you won't have to distribute the trash with that stupid rake .

there just mad you’re doing it on your own but keep it up i like the liner idea keeps garbage can clean no customers wants a dirty smelly can also improves your business later when you’re recommended by neighbors because they’ll see your clean cans out most clients don’t care how you dispose of the trash weather it’s a flat bet or a garage truck i used to wheel them up a ramp and dump them into a box truck do what you gotta do till you build up your customers and can improve it

You need a tipper that would dump from a much higher, like over the top of wood side or a bit higher.

add a chain latch on the backside of the can to hold the can while lifting. I would also weld a lifting arm on the side so you can have better ergonomics while lifting.

Nice one brad

Trash trucks dump into a hopper so the trash is always below where you dump more trash. Using a trailer your trash just builds up where you dump it. It has no where to go.

You're a more patient man than i am. The third time the tipper didnt work well it would have ended up in the trailer. I wonder if popping a back door and loading from the rear wouldn't be easier on your body.

Keep grinding man

I would think for 6,7,8 thousand dollars you could find a welder or fabricator that could make a way better system with hydraulics or a beefy air system. I would try going that route if you’re interested. A good welder with some tubing can make anything!

Does this mean the end of lawn care and storm water cleanups? I like the new content but also miss the old lawn care stuff.

I could see upgrading that tipper arm with more struts or stronger ones, but for $2000, it should've had it already. Interesting doohickey though

Question - if a customer has a big bulk item will you take that free of charge my garbage company takes 1 bulk item

Just got to the end with the ASMR topic. The only issue I could think of that may come from doing those videos on your main page is the risk that if they don't do as well as the main videos it may mess with your algorithm pushing the channel a bit less since the numbers would be less consistent, but can't say I blame you for not having the time or energy to do that

I wonder if you tie the bag once you put it in the can if it would stop the bag from falling in.

Now I could be completely wrong because I'm not using it, also not in your position and know all the details, would it be better or even possible to mount to the top of the wood? That would give you more space for dumping. It might pile up slower and you can raise the trailer less often?

The Orange Trailer looks nice but he could've bought a trailer more suited to the task at hand. Fold down sides or some side doors would have been extremely advantageous.