Ep. 52 Deep Snare Drums for High Tunings

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We often look at a drum and immediately imagine what it should sound like based on the most obvious features, dimensions being the key. Deep drums should sound deep, right? And shallow drums should crank up nice and high, right? But what if the magic was in taking the opposite approach? In Ep. 52 (our final episode of Season 1!), we demonstrate how higher tunings with a deeper drum (a 14x7” Ddrum Vintone Nickel-Over-Brass, in this case) can offer a sound that might be more fitting for your ultra-articulate, high-tuned snare needs.
Drum Used: Ddrum Vintone Nickel-Over-Brass 14x7" with 2.3mm triple flange hoops
Heads: Evans G1 batter // Evans Snare Side 300 (3mil)
Wires: Puresound Custom Pro Steel 24-strand
Hosted by: Cody Rahn
Production: Ben O'Brien Smith @ Cadence Independent Media
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@JeffRandallDrumming 5 лет назад

Deep and cranked is one of my favorite combos! Really enjoyed this.

@nez1703 2 года назад

JEFF

@lajollascott 5 лет назад

This first season has been fantastic. Here's to many more!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks so much! Lots of exciting things planned for Season Two as well as additional videos outside of our weekly Tuesday series. Cheers! -Ben

@ianisaacs2340 5 лет назад

Sounds Like A Drum you guys have no idea how bad Ive been hoping for that!

@Mike-qy9zf 3 месяца назад

And as you've pointed out, those deep snares reverberate nicely when the heads are tuned lower and the batter head is slightly higher than the reso. The drum sounds like it has reverb in it when you crack the rim-shot.

@artralston4045 5 лет назад

After years of trying different combinations, I finally settled on a Tama SLP Big Black Steel Snare (8x14) with a medium pitch on the snare head and about where you ended up finally with the batter head, though I use an Evans HD dry batter head (2 ply) and 2 Drum Tacs. I play classic and modern rock, and I love the crack with the fat bottom end. Maybe a drier sound than some prefer, but I think it sits perfectly in the mix, live. So, I can fully relate to and appreciate this video. Great job!

@MeshuggahFan-iy6tb 3 года назад

I’ve got the same one dude!! Amazing snare, especially for $250. And in my opinion sounds better than my star classic chrome over brass snare that’s double the price! I run an Evans hybrid on top, remo ambassador on bottom, with 30 strand wires. That thing is MASSIVE

@jc3drums916 5 лет назад

I friend of mine back in the 90s had a 14x8 Pearl FFS maple snare tuned up high for jazz. It was incredible.

@jamesgugle7789 5 лет назад

I love to crank a deeper snare drum tight. It does sound high and ringy in my face, but having listened to friends hit my snare when I'm back in the room, there's a depth and fatness coming from the deep shell. Combine that with the higher pitch from the head, and you've got a great versatile sound.

@bacobill 5 лет назад

Nice way to end season one.. another useful and informative topic thank you.. I love the flexibility my 13x7" mahogany 'Pig' from soggy to table tight and from heavy to delicate.. Going deeper was the best thing I ever did after going to 13" snares.

@peterbull3955 5 лет назад

I have an old 13" tom I've been thinking of turning into a snare but I had never seen a deep 13" snare. Glad to hear you like it!

@bacobill 5 лет назад

@@peterbull3955 It is the feel of the rebound that got me hooked as well as the sound options.. I have a 12x6 stave tom that I want to turn into a snare/tom.. I already use it as a tom to the left of my hi-hat with very loose heads.. as a snare it is going to sound insane.. So yeah go for it!

@paulbrown410 5 лет назад

Great content as always, thanks! You guys have an uncanny way of releasing videos that are super relevant to my current situations! Just picked up an 80's Ludwig Coliseum which I have been loving recently. Definitely more tones to find and try out live! Thanks for 52 awesome videos!

@garyfaul8754 5 лет назад

A great first season. I’ve played drums for many years and still learn from your videos. Looking forward to many more seasons to come. Thank You.

@SCDrummer 5 лет назад

I've enjoyed your channel and learned a lot. Looking forward to next season!

@drummerg3331 5 лет назад

Excellent video. I was wondering if in the future you could do a video comparing a 5mil to a 3mil snare side head. Thanks.

@analytickapsychologie 5 лет назад

I'd be also interested..

@Assimilator702 5 лет назад

Drummer G3 Basically the 5 mil head will be less sensitive and better for a Hard Rock setting where your not too concerned with sensitivity. But depending on the drum you might be able to get plenty of sensitivity out of that 5 mil snareside head. Compared to each other the 3 mil head will be more sensitive. If you’re a HEAVY HITTER and you’re breaking your bottom heads go with a 5 mil for sure.

@vvcctrr 4 года назад

@DirtyJobsGuy1 5 лет назад

Amazing, I was just the other day looking at my 6” steel drum and wondering if I could do this with it! Very cool! Thanks for doing these videos

@ffrjegs08 3 года назад

its funny that this video just popped up in my feed again today. i actually just retuned my 90s tama brass 14x6.5 up into this range a couple days ago. it's actually my favorite snare to tune high, even more than my 13x3.5 piccolo lol

@michaelmalodrums9674 5 лет назад

Very well explained , and it’s interesting that in most cases as you stated , you don’t have to mess too much with the snare side if your getting a good result and articulation . Thanks gentlemen 👍🏻

@Thegameshowcase 5 лет назад

High tuned deep snare! That's how I like it!

@The_Other_Ghost Год назад

The last festival I worked had my DW steel 14x8 (10 lug)... That said, I'm bringing a shallower drum next year (hardcore punk drummers sometimes sit lower).

@secondsbeforelanding 5 лет назад

another well done, and informative video. congratulations on your first season !!

@dansee6455 5 лет назад

Best drum content on the internet!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

🙏Thank you so much! -Ben

@Rockin_Ross 5 лет назад

Great stuff here. Many think like you said that deep equals dark and warm. Yet you’ve shown you can get good crack and ring from any size shell. You guys rock!🤘🏻

@butchcassidy3373 3 года назад

Another of your videos saved to my drum tuning list Thanks bro.

@Mari000 5 лет назад

I never paid much attention to the reso head in the past until a few months ago. I found that tuning up the reso head goes a long way

@redsoxtoni 5 лет назад

Very interesting, thanks for another great vid. I can't imagine what would possess someone to give a thumbs down, geez 🙄😂 Love the channel, you're awesome!

@cyanhobbit 5 лет назад

These videos are so awesome, thanks for doing this! I've always wanted a 14×8 snare just for fun (and because of Danny Carey and Gene Hoglan), but after this I'll have to get one asap.

@larrylizzard4938 5 лет назад

I have a 8x14 maple Tama. Have it wound tight top and bottom. I'm thinking about a 38 strand strainer and tuning down. It's more of a warmth drum than what I was trying to get out of it. It will also be vintage in 4 years.

@michaelbarbacow3217 3 месяца назад

My friend I so wish I could spend a week in your teachings side by side. U you tube is great but man I'm struggling. Thinking about quitting drums. It's very difficult to tune. An art. Learning to play the instrument is Hard enough. God knows

@irishmuse000 5 лет назад

07:26 (in the voice of Butthead) "Huh huh...he said underwear"

@michaelbarbacow3217 3 месяца назад

I purchased a wonderful tama superstar classic kit. Starting to think I have Is warped something on my 5.5x14 snare that came with the 7 piece?

@sslaynn Год назад

I’m using a 13x7 maple snare with the HD dry and have the batter head cranked. It sounds incredible it’s got that super high pop wi the the deeper tone and is perfect for the hardcore thrash music I play

@Mari000 5 лет назад

I have a Tama Big Black Steel 14x8. It’s an awesome snare

@serdiezv 5 лет назад

Same here, playing with a Powerstroke 77 pretty tight.

@Mari000 5 лет назад

Nice. I have an Evans ST on it. Cranked pretty tight as well.

@Mari000 5 лет назад

Sergio Diez Viñuela I like that you can crank it high, but it still has body to it. And for the price it’s great!

@aaronlichow278 5 лет назад

Yup. Kept th G1 on it. Excellent snare.

@Mari000 5 лет назад

Aaron Lichow the HD Dry sounds great too on it

@manifestgtr 8 месяцев назад

To me, snare depth vs pitch has always held a bit of a misunderstanding among drummers. People equate a snare like a 402 or a bell brass with “big, enormous sound”, meanwhile you can turn on an alternative record from the 90s and hear these HUGE sounds from piccolos, etc. To me, it’s all about stick articulation and ghost notes. A deeper drum will have a little more dynamic range in that dept. where a shallow drum will keep the snares “speaking” at almost any articulation. Consequently, my drum selection or recommendation to another drummer always includes those considerations.

@albertwesker2050 2 года назад

If you could only have one snare what size would you go for? I’m looking at buy a Ludwig Black Beauty and I want the maps versatile one. Looking at the 6.5 x 14. I play soft indie music and heavy stoner rock style music too. Recommendations?

@alanduncan1980 5 лет назад

I haven't watched until the end yet, but I already know you're going to get some pop off of that thing cranked up high.

@ianmuessig 5 лет назад

I prefer a small drum for live performance and most applications in terms of it's feel but I absolutely love the sound of a large deep drum tuned high when I record.

@Eurodrummer666 5 лет назад

As usual, great demo on what you can do with gear.

@SONORSQ2guy 5 лет назад

Great job guys thanks for sharing! How about doing a video about getting a Bonham type of snare tone? Obviously you can’t get a exact sound because weren’t Bonham. 👍

@sidmarks265 5 лет назад

I've got a Ludwig Black Beauty snare. Nothing to do with the vid.............. just wanted to say that. (joke) Still learning at 68. You guys inspire me to get better. Thanks for all that you do.

@Marcus-wv6wm 5 лет назад

I needed this, thanks!

@muuriciodegollada3870 5 лет назад

thank you learn a lot from you .

@timmyg4295 5 лет назад

You also taught me what the alarm button does by the subscribe button!!!! lol

@chrissalazar7650 3 года назад

So, I just bought a 8x14 DW steel snare, I tried getting this sound - i think I hit the limit with tightening the lugs.. if I were to get a high sound like this, Is the answer tightening the reso head?? The snare wires??

@yelltempus 5 лет назад

10 out of 10! Excellent stuff.

@alexmcgilvary5693 5 лет назад

season one was awesome! Another Keplinger video would be great. Thank you

@rapscallion52 5 лет назад

yaaay deep and high! like my cranked 13x8

@BCSchmerker 5 лет назад

+soundslikeadrum *In addition to some specialized Stateside live and studio work,* the high tuning is favored in British circles with several models of Premier® marching snare drums and also the Pearl® VCS1412TS tube-lug sensitive side drum.

@michaelruffo158 5 лет назад

Thanks so much for the insight on this topic Soundslikeadrum. Soundslikeagreatidea

@tracktuary 5 лет назад

Given the same batter and snare side tensions, do you find a deeper drum to feel a little more forgiving? For jazz, I want to be pitched on the higher side. With a 5.5" deep drum, this can feel almost too tight with too much getting thrown back at me. However, my 6.5" drum feels like there is "in your face" happening. Sorry for the non-scientific wording. I just hate having a drum that is too loud, bitey, and causing me to play tentatively. That bite seems to be less when the drum is deeper even with identically tensioned heads.

@quirkyfunguy 5 лет назад

Your guys' videos are always awesome! I know everyone's a critic, but I'd think about EQ'ing the voice by reducing a few db around 3-5k Hz. Sounds like it's a little too high. Other than that, these videos are dope

@katielowen 10 месяцев назад

As someone struggling with tuning, hearing the snare side and the batter sides tunings/pitches individually at the beginning would’ve helped so much 😔

@jordankozelka9000 5 лет назад

So you mention that you always need to even out the tuning on the lugs when pitching a head down due to friction between the head and the shell. I've always put a little wax on my bearing edges to help reduce that friction, but I know Cody said in a previous video that he doesn't do anything like that. Any particular reason why not?

@peterbull3955 5 лет назад

I'll have to try that!

@franktatom1837 5 лет назад

I second the notion of waxing the bearing edges of wood drums. I changed heads on a birch snare (inexpensive Tama Silverstar) and waxed the edges with high-quality furniture wax, buffing until the edge was polished. I was amazed at the difference in the sound, the drum sounded more dynamic and precise in tone. I'm going to wax the edges of my toms on that set when I change heads. The birch Silverstar line (now discontinued) is a bit of a sleeper, made in China but really nice shells and edges.

@Pearl3Drummer 5 лет назад

What a great channel!

@anythingmusic8238 5 лет назад

These are fun!

@filsolano5465 5 лет назад

I that particular snare drum is similar to the Vinnie Paul signature snare drum by DDrum. I believe the signature model is a 14”x8” with 10 lugs. Which should make a huge difference, I would think

@tylerblake3596 4 года назад

Saw this one clip of Marcus Gilmore playing with Chick Corea. His snare has to be like a 14x10, it looks crazy. Sounds super awesome though!

@adamalexanderray 5 лет назад

I use a Maple 14x7 with reinforcement rings top and bottom and I tend to always tune high and it’s my favourite tuning for that drum. I’ve also played my 14x8 clear acrylic tuned high for a while and it works fine in high tunings 👍

@sarojaband4664 5 лет назад

Great video! Personal fave: TAMA original Artwood Heavy Hokkaido Birch 8 x 14. 14 ply, 18mm thick shell. Die cast hoops top and bottom, coated Remo Falams batter head cranked medium-high, 500 weight snareside head, TAMA Bell Brass snare wires. Musicians tell me the drum sounds miked acoustically, with amazing sensitivity and projection. Keep up the solid work!

@adeppisch 5 лет назад

Not entirely on topic but.. Funny you should mention the Garibaldi snare. I currently have my eye on one, but not sure if it is worth it’s limited range. I do have an upcoming big band gig with ToP etc charts. Perhaps it better to simply experiment with what I currently have (1-5x14 Vintage Recording Custom wooden & 1-5x14 new Pearl Modern Utility aluminum). That being said, does anyone know if $725 CA for a Garibaldi snare is a fair asking price?

@crimsun7186 5 лет назад

That's pretty much the Gavin Harrison "secret". He prefers to use 14" snare drums as side snares, while his main snare is a 12" tuned lower. Bill Bruford is one that would always tune his snares high, so they could cut through the band.

@ElCondeChocula 5 лет назад

Question: what do you think of the tune-bot gadget?

@robbysimon5250 5 лет назад

Hey! I just got a PDP ltd classic 8 lug with wood hoops can I get in this range of crack and stuff (obviously not the metallic sound) out of this drum do you think?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

It'll be an overall woodier crack but yep, it should be in there. I did it with wood hoops on a maple drum of mine and it was way fun :) - cody

@robbysimon5250 5 лет назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum ok awesome! I AM also using a remo pinstripe as the batter so that may be my overall problem because it wont get up that high for me! Thank you for all your help!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Oh man, yeah that's gonna limit things. If you want to retain punch and durability but need the high tuning, something more like an Evans Power Center or a Remo CS will be a better choice for sure. Anything with more plies or muffling at the edge is going to choke at a lower tension and lose that pop.

@bucknasty5374 5 лет назад

Nice, very nice :)

@alexsaucedavaldez7316 5 лет назад

6:07 reminds me of chad Sexton

@timmyg4295 5 лет назад

I love your videos, can you do one or comment on a remo emperor X on a 6.5" deep snare? You da man!!!

@remotexpolde 5 лет назад

Great Vid brother~san. You`know, The realist in me cant help but See a cylinder with heads... (Been playing since 4 yrs old, so not some ass hat, I promise.. } ~and welded or not, can make a snare sound good (Much like you do} if you take your time and most important, Not be intimidated. Then.., I go to the One snare Ive had since i was an amoeba.. a 1966 Ludwig Blue Sparkle (White paint sound stuff inside.. Lol} and the Tones of that thing record So many voices and All SO well I feel like.. ~ fully understanding that we only see an incredibly small part of the spectrum of visible light~.. perhaps the same could be said of Visible Sound` ~ I know this may be a stretch.. but I am genuinely at a loss to explain it. I finally got around to grabbing a 14 x 8 Black Nickle over brass DW ... had a Hell of a time getting to know it, but Now, Omg... it is the perfect compliment to my `All of Two` snare drum arsenal.. Lol. I can get that Brass tone, as well as WOOD tones (wtf!} I never though was going to be possible. There is one quasi low tuning I heard from this drum that was Straight out of a certain `IIII` record that sold me completely. That Wood, barely any overtone, Cut straight through the mix in the most elegant and kick ass way possible` sound that I am getting closer to..is cool, but having This get closer to That tone than my 5.5 x 14 Wood snare is tripping me out. Lol..

@caloyboquiron5852 3 года назад

Can you post a video how to tune a free floating snare...

@ehleroo 5 лет назад

Great video as always. I love your technique. Where would I go looking if I wanted to learn it?

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks!! DM me on Instagram @codyrahn and I’ll see if I can help!

@stromghouls 5 лет назад

if you want to hear a cranked deep snare sound listen to mikkey dee's drumming on the king diamond albums, abigail, them and conspiracy. that is the sound of a sonor ferro 8x14.

@jonpnorris 5 лет назад

07:27 “underwear we started “ hehe 🙃

@matz1011 4 года назад

But how dous it behave in a mix?

@SoundsLikeADrum 4 года назад

That all depends on the context

@nate6692 2 года назад

Dunno why I haven't seen this one as long as I've been watching. I spent a long time chasing deep & fat and hating the way it felt. I kind of think a deep drum cranked and muffled is more what I was looking for all along. It's certainly easier to get by with minimal muffling to kill the ring on a cranked drum. Super low tunings that honk note is just impossible to muffle without killing the whole drum.

@jna3341 5 лет назад

Now do vice versa. Use a piccolo to (try) get a fat sound

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

You read our minds...

@ianisaacs2340 5 лет назад

Sweet!!! For the last few years I've had my 3x13 tuned like a "standard" snare. I added 24 strand wires last week and I cant get over the response 😍

@crimsun7186 5 лет назад

Like Gavin Harrison and his lower tuned 12x5" snare drum?

@ianisaacs2340 5 лет назад

@@crimsun7186 I'll check him out I'm not familiar with him. My 13 is at a fundamental F#-G#, more or less what you hear a 14" snare tuned medium from memphis drum shop or drum center NH.

@ianisaacs2340 5 лет назад

When I bought my set I saw the piccolo for sale new for $49, so I couldn't pass that up. But aside of a little jazz I did in high school I have always tuned it to try sounding like a 5x14. That little snare suprizes the hell out of everyone when they learn it is a $50 13"!!!

@djentlover 5 лет назад

I wonder what this 4khz resonance is that seems to be omnipresent in almost all of your videos. Is it the mic? The preamp? The converters? The room? Very weird.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Most likely the room. We’re still making tweaks to the acoustics here.

@djentlover 5 лет назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum The easiest solution would be to notch out that requency by few dB with tight Q-width in post processing. 🙂 (Though that would violate your principle of no eq) I don't know what gear you use but I've heard that many low to medium price point interfaces suffer from 4k buildup. Your close mics don't seem to suffer from this though, so that would point to room issues.

@MalrusOSC 7 месяцев назад

2:54 so this guy managed to perfectly replicate the St. Anger snare drum sound

@SoundsLikeADrum 7 месяцев назад

Oh man, if you think those sounds are the same… 🤷🏼‍♂️

@elee9056 5 лет назад

should have used tama duo snare! :D

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Ha! If only we had one hanging around.

@elee9056 5 лет назад

if i was around i would have totally let y’all play with it. shame!

@avirosen7730 5 лет назад

For some reason I am never able to get a good snare sound...😔

@avirosen7730 5 лет назад

(it may just be my snare)

@ianisaacs2340 5 лет назад

What snare do you have? Whats the size?

@tillsommerdrums 5 лет назад

What material is it, what sizes is it, are both heads in tune with themselves and is your reso head tuned high enough ?

@avirosen7730 5 лет назад

@@ianisaacs2340 the snare that came with my gretch renegade

@avirosen7730 5 лет назад

@@tillsommerdrums wood, not sure about sizes and the reso head is definitely high enougj

@HR2635 5 лет назад

dont get me wrong.. i like your videos.. good stuff in there.. but.. to much talking and to little playin.. we need to hear the tunings effect.. not just talking about it.. all the best.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 лет назад

Thanks for the feedback! Have you watched any of Season Two? We’ve got quite a bit more demo content but the narrative elements are still paramount. Without the context, you’re just listening to another recording of a drum. -Ben

@HR2635 5 лет назад

@@SoundsLikeADrum I only first started todayon season 2.. and yes its evolving :-).. to the better!.. and as I said the talk is great.. but in between you talking about a myriad of nuances, it would be more understandable /giving to say (just a thought up example): "tuning this lug ½ turn up produces less overtones" -> strike the drum -> "hear it ?". and so forth.. talk, demo, talk, demo... currently its more: talk, more talk, more tips, tips, talk, striking the drum...I dont know if that makes sense?.. and I am off course exeagerating.. and I am a perfectionist ;-)

@avirosen7730 5 лет назад

Firsy

@stromghouls 5 лет назад

deep snares tuned too high they do not sound good at all.