EP23 - Autoandrophilia Files - With Laura Reynolds 

There is no evidence that autoandrophilia is a real thing. With all of the obvious issues she has going on, I can see how she would get confused about it. Ray Blanchard, in an interview I think he did with this channel, but it may have been another one, said that in all the time he worked with people transitioning before ROGD was a thing, he only worked with one FtM who was attracted to men, and very few FtMs at all. There are certain disorders of neurological development that put men at higher risk for developing AGP, like ADHD, OCD, and ASD(I think), which also put them at greater risk of becoming addicts. When someone with AGP seems like their AGP is an addiction in itself, it’s likely because they have one of those disorders that causes them to become easily addicted in the first place. There are plenty of AGPs who don’t appear compulsive, impulsive, exhibitionistic, etc., about their paraphilia. I would guess those who are not NT are more likely to feel the need to transition. But women don’t develop paraphilias. Some are pseudo masochists, due to childhood trauma, but that’s pretty much it. I used to think female sexuality was a lot more complicated than male sexuality, and that’s still true, when it comes to typical sexuality, but as far as sexual pathology? Men take the cake

Curious, as I don’t know any bi men; do you have a strong preference for men or women? And who do you prefer to have relationships with? I certainly agree that what she said about some gay men possibly being autogynephilic and not gay was pretty weird. Why would they not transition then? How would the partner who’s actually gay feel about that? Wouldn’t they be able to tell that their AGP partner isn’t genuinely attracted to them? She is like the female version of James Shupe, as far as how obsessed she is with autogynephilia and the false notion that AAP is a real thing. Before he got chased into the manosphere, he had catalogued online every single news story involving trans people, and other trans related events/topics.

​@@katieandnick4113 Not a strong one, no. I have a mild preference for women, but I think at least some of that is due to heterosexual relationships being the social norm. Not all, but I'm self aware enough that I know that's a factor. I am definitely pickier with men, in that I have a broader range of types that I'm attracted to with women rather than men. I don't know that I'm particularly representative, and this is a very important point. Within gay, bi or straight men or women there's a wide range of experience, even if some are more common than others. There is no need to pathologize any of this if it doesn't cause the individuals involved any distress, or result in any antisocial or criminal behaviour. To give an example, as I mentioned, I tend to be attracted to androgynous men and women. It so happens that a lot of these women are lesbians. That kinda sucks, but it's just life. It doesn't make me want to transition, or to try to convince them to want men.

@@freedombono thanks! This is very fascinating to me. I may be older than you, or maybe not. I’ve switched from thinking that men can’t be bi, to thinking they can, but that the attraction they feel towards men is typically based in seggs(not romantic), while they generally prefer relationships with women. But I’m definitely open to learning new things from people who experience it, and are self aware.

​@@katieandnick4113 I dont think its weird that there are bisexual AGPs in relationships with men. Being in a relationship with a man actually makes the difference between you and your partner less pronounced; theres less of a size difference, emotional difference, hormonal difference, etc between the two of you...and depending on what sort of dysphoria you experience, those feelings might not flare up as much as they would if you were with a woman. A lot of dysphoria for me comes from comparing myself to my smaller female partner, on both a conscious and unconscious level. I have heard some AGPs say this is why they started dating men after transitioning, but I am absolutely with Laura in thinking this happens before transition (or in non transitioners) as well. I am an example. I have never transitioned and I have been in relationships with men. The most emotionally fulfilling romantic relationship I ever had was with a man, in fact. As for why I was trying to stop myself from transitioning in the first place...well, on the one hand I knew about AGP and Id always had a lot of self hatred as a result of it. It was a way of avoiding dysphoria without indulging my AGP...that would have made me feel really gross (ironically because of my self hatred of my own masculinity, which I saw being manifest in AGP)...plus I escaped the curse of being dreaded straight white male to boot (which sadly helped my mental health a lot...even though Im not a wokist by any stretch of the imagination, their propaganda has got into a lot of people on an unconscious level and that absolutely had an effect on me). I hope Im not pretending what I did was unproblematic; I want to explain it so people realize how diversely this condition can be in how it manifests. I think lots of people who are AGP deny it because of the stigma. And yet, what they do is clearly a result of it. As for why gay guys would go along with it...well, often if a man is really attracted to you and knows you love him and enjoy sex with him in your own way, he doesnt mind you not identifying as gay. Its the relationship with the person that he values, and being willing and able to have sex with him and enjoy it. And more pertinently to what you were saying...he might not believe you when you tell him the real reason. I tried to explain it to the guy I mentioned and he was completely confused by it. AGP is a weird condition and gay men are often skeptical of guys who sleep with them who swear theyre not gay...theyve seen closet cases a million times before. So they kind of write you off as being a weird case of a gay man in self denial. As for why bi-acting AGPs might not want to transition more generally, theres often that struggle between wanting to play the role of the man vs the woman when youre AGP. In spite of my dysphoria I still enjoy enough about being a man to justify seeking out relationships with men as a way of controlling the dysphoria while staying male. I think I figured I could cultivate femininity to the extent that was natural to me and be validated for it (its taken as more genuine if you do it as a gay man) while also not having my natural masculinity jar with it or be pointed out at the time. Though I was not aware of the behavioural component of AGP at the time, and thought I was suppressing my AGP completely, I was actually indulging it...when I became self aware of it, I stopped (though I still experience attraction to some men and still think of myself as bisexual, I dont think most of it would ever have appeared in me if I wasnt AGP). I hope all of that is helpful.

Same here. I'm a quite androgynous looking butch woman and plenty of bisexual women are attracted to me. She's making it sound like attraction to androgyny is rare

Most men are aroused by lesbian pornography, but aren't AGP. This is speculation based on her experience dealing with her own issues and listening to others, so certainly not coming from nowhere. This field has been so polluted by gender ideology that people are left to flounder and make their best guesses, but at least these people are trying to help young people realize that there are alternatives to "transition." I think that's laudable.

Steroids and even NSAIDs can help. But I don’t think she’s taking testosterone to alleviate knee pain. I think she’s using knee pain(which she very well may have) as a reason to go back on testosterone, for a multitude of reasons. She’s an addict. Testosterone can literally cause women to experience a euphoric feeling, like a high. I’m also a recovering opiate addict, and the few times I was put on prednisone, I noticed a marked change in my mood. Testosterone is far more potent than prednisone. It does seem very odd that she understands that men are not attracted to women on testosterone, after mentioning that she had become seggsually active again after a period of celibacy. There are just so many possible reasons that she could want to take it, that have little to nothing to do with knee pain. This may be a stretch, but it’s also possible that she realizes she can’t handle normal, healthy seggsual relationships with men, and so taking testosterone essentially eliminates her opportunity to have those relationships. I mean, it probably also increases her seggs drive substantially, which would be frustrating if she’s trying to avoid seggs with men, but women with ASD tend to be more capable of seggsual satisfaction without a partner, through masterbation, than NT women.

she mentions she has a son. Looking around the GC movement, I notice people diagnose strangers online with NPD a lot. I’m not really sure that’s helpful.

@@L_Martin I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about what narcissism is, and how and why someone becomes a narcissist. It’s not like bipolar disorder or ADHD, or schizophrenia; it’s not something people are born to become. So it’s not surprising that there has been a substantial increase in people developing narcissism due to social media, especially platforms like RU-vid, Instagram, tiktok. Parasocial relationships are so incredibly damaging to humans, particularly children. All humans are a little narcissistic. Some are very narcissistic. There are plenty of trans people who don’t come across as narcissistic at all, like Aaron, Mars, and Aaron. There are also some GCs that are very narcissistic, like a particular RU-vidr who has been harassing, bordering on torturing, these specific trans people. I think it’s important to be honest about everything. I listened to an interview with Michael Bailey a few days ago, and he spoke about how not all AGP TW are narcissists, but many are. I do think gen Z is absolutely the most narcissistic generation. Narcissism is caused by either extreme overindulgence, or extreme neglect during childhood. Gen Z, as a whole, has been both overindulged/protected and neglected by their parents, if that makes sense. There’s also a lot of BPD going on, particularly in girls with ROGD. It really is such a mess.

Did you listen? She has a son. Why the negative projections?

studies right now disproved that homosexuality in men its innate...

I disagree. Homosexuality is as innate in women as in men. Exclusive homosexuality does appear to be less common in women than men, but that doesn't mean homosexuality isn't innate in the relatively small proportion of women who are homosexual (of which I consider myself a member).

@@akashicturtle1827 there arent any empirical scientific evidences to confirm that homosexuality is innate.. im afraid... its the scientific community who says this

@@akashicturtle1827 it seems to be innate in those who were lesbians from puberty(or even before, as in getting elementary school crushes on girls rather than boys). But there are a good number of women who come to lesbianism after being with men exclusively for years. I certainly don’t think they were born lesbians.

@@katieandnick4113 I was definitely an “early onset” lesbian. I wouldn’t necessarily assume that those who come out of the closet late aren’t “innately” lesbian though….sometimes it just takes a while to figure this out, and women often let themselves be pressured into relationships they aren’t they into . Though some “late life” lesbians do insist they genuinely had attraction to men that they lost as they aged. It really depends, and it’s a controversial topic amongst lesbians, many of whom insist it’s not possible to become lesbian late in life.

I'm sympathetic to what you have to say here. It seems like transitioning early (or even puberty blocking) makes more sense for natal males than females.

@@akashicturtle1827 blocking puberty makes more sense in males than females, only because of testosterone. But there are just too many downsides to blocking puberty in either seggs to make it worth preventing the effects of testosterone. When kids don’t go through puberty, they don’t develop a real seggsuality, which will make it about impossible for them to ever find a happy relationship. Jazz Jennings was almost certainly going to be gay, but now, describes herself as pan, and even confused what was likely a platonic attraction to a lesbian as real attraction. Extremely GNC gay males are the only group that may truly benefit from transitioning before 18, but certainly not until puberty is complete. And for them, it’s often not a problem to wait until 18, because they are already so feminine that they take very well to hormones and T blocking drugs very quickly. It’s a very tough position for them, as most don’t want SRS, but also don’t want to be one position where chasers are their only option for future partners. But if they do get SRS, they are competing with biological women for male partners, and will almost always lose. For Nancy, who is AGP, I’m really not quite sure why he doesn’t transition. I think I have heard him mention wanting to have a wife as a reason not to, and that really does make me concerned. He knows he’s probably going to want to transition eventually. I hope he doesn’t make the mistake of getting married because he thinks it will fix him.

@@katieandnick4113 thank you for sharing your thoughts. You make some good points.

@@katieandnick4113 I don't transition because of financial and social reasons. And the thing is: if I take estrogen, I don't want to pretend being a woman. I'm going to be nonbinary and it's very hard in my life situation now. It will certainly damage my career. If I do it now, it will be extremely stressful, and possibly ruin my life. And I look feminine enough to enjoy my body without HRT. Why make my life more difficult?

​@@akashicturtle1827 Gay men are watching with horror at the suggestion that puberty blocking and cross sex hormones make "more sense" for teen males because the vast majority of us were GNC during childhood and our teen years. We all look back at our younger selves and could totally see ourselves getting swept up into this gender whirlwind had we been born just a decade or two later. If the vast majority of dysphoric kids desist by adulthood then putting them on puberty blockers just in case (which studies have shown almost always lead directly into cross sex hormones) shows a reckless disregard for the well being of future gay men. If transition were simply a social phenomenon nobody would care. Have at it, change your name and pronounce wear whatever clothes you want and test the waters. But it's not. It has very real effects on our bodies and our ability to experience sexual pleasure in the future. Being wrong about being gay causes no future harm. The same can not be said for being wrong about being trans. The stakes are so much higher when hormones and surgeries are involved. I don't want young trans women to suffer but I also don't want confused young gay men to suffer either. For this reason I support much more thorough mental health assessments before anyone is started on a transition. A little bit of gatekeeping is exactly whats needed to make sure trans youth get the help they need but other kids don't get dragged along through the system with them.

That's overly black and white. Paraphilias in natal females are very rare. Historically, most women who transitioned were HSTS. Since the queer theorists took over, girls/women are medicalizing for all kinds of reasons: ASD, trauma, ROGD...

How can a gynephile that is sexually attracted to women have autoandrophilia? Androphiles means attraction to men. They are gynophiles not androphiles.

@@ilderogtyde no aautoandrophilia is the attraction to have male body parts.. many butch lesbian have some sort of AAP for the penis for example....while androphile ftm have autohomoeroticsm.. they transition to be gay men and because of the detachment from feminine identity

@@TransparencyPodcast1 paraphilia in natal females is rare .. its not a black and white statement as well, itmeans that we dont know yeat how rare are they.. considered that women are always been forbidden to speak out about their sexuality and their sexual fantasies.. it may be that a lot of women never spoken about their sexual fantasies... and only now with social media and internet revolution are they slowly coming out... we dont have the full picture here.. and i personally know a natal female who has the stranges paraphilia never heard before: she is excited at the idea to be a worm leaned on a death body..... so i guess there may be females with paraphilia for sure , they may be less in percentage than males .. we dont know exactly how less

I don't think she's a narcissist, because she's actually trying to help suggestive and misguided young people on discord. She has no personal interest to gain from such activities.

@@zooborg discord is a breeding ground for narcissism. The belief that narcissists seek only to gain materially from other people is a very wrong. There’s nothing a narcissist craves more than attention and praise. I’m actually concerned that she’s on a platform like discord, likely interacting with teenagers at 37-38 years old. But, like I said, it’s a perfect platform for narcissists, as they are less likely to interact with people who will pushback on them. I have a very firm grasp on what autogynephilia is, and I’m caused so much distress by the idea that teenagers are having this paraphilia validated as something else, which allows them to devolve further into their delusions, and reach a point that they may never be able to return from. But, I’ve never for one second, considered hopping on discord and talking to them about it. She’s not doing that to help them. They’re giving her more than she’s giving them, I assure you.

That is pure bullshit but thanks for playing. How tf you can conclude that this woman is a "narcissist" when she is clearly trying to help others.... You must have an agenda.

@@happynjoyousnfree lots of people are narcissists. She even talks about having narcissistic traits, but not being diagnosed with NPD, and seems to be confused about how that all works. She’s a self described seggs addict, who has said a lot of sketchy and disturbing things. I’m just a very good judge of character is all. Don’t know what kind of ulterior motives I would have for pointing out that a 37 year old woman should know better than to interact with strange teenage boys online. I would be terribly upset if I found out any of my kids were talking to someone her age online, especially in such an intimate manner. That’s major boundary crossing, and someone our age shouldn’t be doing it. Edit to add that I do think her intentions are noble, and I absolutely understand how hard it is for kids who are confused about their seggs, for whatever reason, to get proper help. I just can’t get past the fact that she’s a seggs addict, which women can be, albeit usually for different reasons than men, and is talking to teenage boys online. While pedooughphilia is not something women develop, it’s absolutely possible for adult women to prey on pubescent and post pubescent teen boys. That’s especially scary to me, as the mother of a 12 year old boy who has ADHD.

@@katieandnick4113 autogynephilia is not narcissim.. is autophilia , it has nothing to do with narcissim , but it seems similar .. a narcisist its a manipulative person who desperately crave attention and needs someone to pump up its own ego... an agp need only himself it doesnt need to manipulate others... stop being agpphobic maybe ...