EPIC: The Musical (The Wisdom Saga) | Reaction! 

Thanks for all the info folks. Sorry for the frustration! Y’all beating me up in the comments 😅 I’ve had no issues reacting to just the audio in the past, I guess I really needed the lyrics on the screen this time during a first listen, like yall had.

The fact he fully believes this is still Odysseus untill about the third song just shows how good Miguel is at matching Jorge's singing lmao

Not me screaming Telemachus like you can hear me 🤣

"DON'T YOU DARE CALL MY MOTHER A TRAMP!" I love the ferocity in his voice.

Zeus' game was that Athena would have to convince each of the gods he mentioned, OR HIM. So after convincing Hera, the last one, Athena won and Zeus lost, but being the sore loser he is, he chose to smite her.

The person you hear singing in the first three songs Is Telemachus who is Odysseus son. And in little wolf he is fighting Antinous who is one of the suitors

The full timeline for the show Trojan war- 10 years Troy Saga to Underworld Saga- 1 year End of Underworld saga to end of Thunder Saga- 2 years Wisdom Saga- starts 7 years after thunder bringer from TELEMACHUS pov in Ithaca for the first three songs. The man he fought is Antinous, ringleader of the suitors trying to court Penelope and making Telemachchus life a living hell By this point Ody has been away for 20 years. In Love in Paradise, we find out he survived the encounter with Zeus but became a prisoner to Calypso for 7 years. Not mind control, no memory manipulation. Just Goddess and mortal power dynamic with a spell forbidding him to leave. Along with all the isolation, survivors guilt, and everything else else, yeah he's not well

That Guy called the Queen, his leader! A Tramp?! Telemachus had the full right to sentance him to death as the Prince of Ithica.

So in the mythology Zeus threatened Athena if she involved herself in the Trojan war I believe that he would hurt her so badly it would take 10 years for her to heal. Like Calypso said, goddesses can't die. So Athena even despite the pain fought against her dad on this to bring Ody back.

I swear I screamed "it's Telemachus, not Odysseus!!" throughout this video more times than the entirety of EPIC says the word "monster" 😂 no hate ofc it's just funny

Telemachus' voice actor is so amazing in Legendary 💕 You can tell he's gonna grow up go be a hero just like his Dad

"Pathetic and weak like his son!" "HOLD YOUR TONGUE NOW! HIS SON' MY FRIEND!" I can almost hear morgan freeman in the background "It was at that moment Ares knew he fucked up."

Shout out to Jays dad voicing Hephaestus ❤

Apollo is god of the arts and music. That is why he cared about the sirens.

10:45 First and Second song takes place in Ithica, Thelamacus being the main protag here and Antinous (correct me if I misspelled the names wrong) is Penelope's Suitor, Athena comes to Aid Thelamacus the same way she did for Ody back then . Hope this Helps, Dave!

This newest Saga is kind of told out of order, timeline wise. After Thunder Bringer, Odysseus washes up on the island of Calypso, Ogygia. Ogygia sort of exists outside of the known world. So, while there, Odysseus is hidden from the sight of gods that would be looking for him like Athena. For the next 7 years, Odysseus is trapped on Ogygia with Calypso, forcing herself on him not taking no for an answer. That's the song Love in Paradise. Meanwhile, Odysseus' son Telemachus is on Ithica dealing with the suitors who are trying to marry/rape Penelope, he gets into a fight with the leader of the suitors and Athena comes to him to assist and repent for her abandonment of Odysseus. The songs Legendary, Little Wolf, and We'll be Fine. After We'll be Fine, Athena goes looking for Odysseus finally seeing him when he calls her name at the end of Love in Paradise. Athena then goes to plead with Zeus to free Ody from Ogygia and Calypso's grasp. The song God Games.

"You all know I'm a fan of catchy songs, with so many sirens gone, I think Ody's in the wrong." Apollo is the god of the sun , yeah, but he is also (among other things) a god of music. The sirens' songs are hypnotizingly beautiful, so I'd guess that is the reason why he cares about many of them being gone.

When Calypso says “open arms” Odysseus actually has a PTSD moment because he’s remembering Polites, which is why we hear Polites say the lyrics from open arms, but we also hear Odysseus audibly frustrated and pained by those words. Truly amazing writing here!

Everyone’s mad at you and giving you grief for not clocking that it’s Ody’s son not Ody in these songs but I’m laughing. It’s okay Dave. You did your best with your knowledge at the time.

The first few songs we follow Telemachus, and the person he fights in Little Wolf is Antinous, who is the de facto leader of the Suitors who want to marry Penelope, while Odysseus has been gone for 20 years. Also, there are the official visuals up on Jorge’s channel! They are in the form of a livestream, and also there is a problem in the middle, but there are two livestreams. Watch the first one until it cuts off then switch to the second.

Everything Odysseus has been through before this saga actually happened, it's not just in his head. Ody washes up on Calypso's island after the events of the Thunder Saga; here's a significant time jump (seven years) in the middle of "Love in Paradise"; that's why the first song says it's been 20 years since Odysseus left home (first for the 10-year war that happened before the Troy Saga, then everything else in Epic).

Dave I know people have already said it that its Telemachus singing in the first three songs so for extra clarification, after Thunder Bringer, 7 years have passed and we now get a 20 year old Telemachus trying to keep Penelopes suitors away but they are being persistent since there are 108 of them and the one who fought Telemachus was Antonius. During those 7 years we find out its because Odysseus has been trapped on Calypsos island and ending with Athena pleading for his freedom which will lead into the second to last saga, the vengeance saga. Also for a little fun fact, Jorge got both of his parents to be in the musical. With his mother being Odysseus's mother in the underworld saga, his father voiced Hephaestus in God Games since he built the sound booth Jorge uses for Epic.

Fun Fact, Apollo was NOT the god of the Sun at the time, Helios was. He was a god of Medicine, Prophecy and Music until Helios retired and Asclepius took the mantle of God of Medicine. Also Zeus has always been a bit of a softie on Athena compared to most of his fellow gods. Hell he gave Athena the Aegis Shield apparently something he once wielded. She'll be fine.

Things: Apollo is also the god of Music. Some variations of the story of Orpheus' story says Orpheus is his son much like Heracles son of Zeus. Where Heracles was all muscles and strength, Orpheus was music and the vibes of the world. Which is why his music moved people so much. (Orpheus, for those who don't know, isn't involved in Epic and is a different Greek legend. Look up Hadestown for a great musical rendition for his story) Second thing was Hera vs Athena, Athena pointing out that Odysseus doesn't cheat on his wife convinced Hera because everyone knows Zeus is a dog and cheats on Hera all the time. So when Athena has to convince him, he isn't listening and he just shocks the crap out of his daughter Athena for pointing out he cheats on his wife. Additional note: Athena and Hera are not related. She sprung from Zeus' head into existence. She has one parent and it's Zeus.

Once you get to reacting to animatics of this, it'll all be more clear. Jorge livestreamed a listening party for all the sagas including this one, and included animatics he had commissioned (from channels you're familiar with), which made everything that was happening very clear. Would be neat if you reacted to the Wisdom saga part (starting from the end of the first livestream and ending in the second livestream, Jorge got struck down by copyright for his own song lmao), but I'd be happy to wait for animatics to be released on individual channels.

The first three songs are following Telemachus, Odysseus’ son, back in Ithaca. It takes place 7 years after the events of thunder bringer. When you watch the animatics it will make a lot more sense

Lmao I'm half way through and he hasn't figured out this is Telemachus and not Odyseus 😂. I have faith he will figure it out

For a bit of clarification during the God Games song: Apollo: god of a lot of things, but specifically sun, light, music and dance Hephaestus: god of fire, volcanoes, and blacksmithing Aphrodite: goddess of love, beauty, and pleasure Ares: god of war (also referred to as the spirit of battle); also Athena's half-sibling with Zeus being their father Hera: goddess of women, marriage, and family; also Ares' mother/wife of Zeus Zeus: God of gods, weather, law and order Personal favorite clarification is Aphrodite bringing up Odysseus's mother, with the love between family being shown over the love for his wife

The animatics for "God Games" show that during that piano interlude right before the "Let him go" ending that Athena actually met Telemachus as a baby. There was a flashback of Odysseus and Penelope approaching her and letting her hold their son.

Just wait until he sees the animatics from the livestream that go along with this. It’ll get so much more intense/heartbreaking

Okay but being fr, Telemachus and Athena slayed as a duo✨⏳

actually, the guy in the first three songs was odysseus’s son, telemachus! lmao, it might be a little confusing for ppl with no background

Calypso is technically classified as a titan, since she helped her father, Atlas, in the war with the gods. (I know her dad could also be Oceanus, but I choose to believe it's Atlas.) For her assisting her father, the gods banished her to the island Ogygia, where basically nobody can reach her, so she's stuck all alone.

Fun fact: The greek gods are truly immortal. They can't die in any way. So death doesn't really affect them, they just get up a few hours or sometimes minutes later.

I absolutely love how blind he was to the fact it was telemachus but was still making so many amazing comparisons from a unique view. I absolutely love it!

Apollo cared about the sirens bc he's the God of poetry, songs and arts (and a bazillion more things) so when Ody killed the sirens (which are singers) he was pissed And a fun fact: Hephaestus was interpreted by Jorge's father (for me it was a cool revelation because their voices are SO similar that i thought it was actually just Jorge)

Apollo wasn't the sun god until the romans. He's the god of music, arts, healing, and prophecy, the music bit is why he's upset with the lack of sirens

First three songs weren't Odysseus. Those were from Telemachus's perspective. When Antinous called his mother a tramp in the first song, he was talking about Penelope. My favorite song is definitely We'll Be Fine. Athena's always been my favorite and her duet with Odysseus's son is beautiful in context.

Idk why Athena didn't start with "Never once has he cheated on his wife" with the literal goddess of marriage.

😂 I suggest watching the live stream from here on bc its got so much context to it lol so painful hearing you think that was Jay and Odysseus not his son lol

You have no idea how much I was laughing about the analysis in the beginning XDDD I kept waiting for you to go "ooooooh" when it clicked but it never did ^^. Also yeah I'm fully team "Athena lives" after all "goddesses can't die" right?"

23:18 Apollo is not just the god of the sun, but also healing, prophecy and MUSIC :D That’s why he was upset about the Sirens

We start this saga with Telemachus, who is ody’s son

Fun fact, their are 3 songs (maybe 4) song where odysseyus do not appear and they are the first of the whole musical, in every song before that he had at least 1 line.

Anyone else’s eye twitching? 😂 He’ll figure it out lol Still love the videos

I’m pretty sure the first three songs are about Odyssey’s son. While the last love paradise is about Ody being trapped for 7 years and I think he was also sa’d many time and the last song is about Athena trying to convince the gods to free Ody. Also Apollo is also the God of music hence his connection to the sirens

You should react to Jorge's Livestream.. before it got privated. And legendary is in the pov of Telemachus Ody's son And in little wolf Telemachus is fighting Antinous one if Penelope's suitors.

Here’s an explanation about the timeline 😂 -legendary: this isn’t ody. Instead we switch views to his son, Telemachus, 7-10 (?) years after thunder bringer. -little wolf: telemuchaus fights a guy named antinuse (spelled wrong I’m sorry) -we’ll be fine: tele convinces Athena to go help ody Love in paradise: Athena goes through ody’s memory’s to find out where he is, which is why we get that scene with calypso God games: after finding all this out Athena goes to the gods and fights to get help for ody.

The first 3 songs were his son Telemachus and Athena came to help him which causes her to go find out what happened to Odysseus

Zeus: You dare to defy me?! To make me feel shame?! Me: Yes

The first 3 songs are from Ody's son, Telemachus' point of view, then in we'll be fine Arhena is talking to Telemachus about Ody and decides to check in on him in love in paradise. Little wolf is Telemachus fighting one of the suitors going after Penelope

Amazing video! Apollo is also the god of music and the sirens sing, so that’s why he said that! Also in the first songs those were Telemachus singing, Odyssey’s son, talking about the suitors for Penople!

23:25 Apollo is the God of the Sun, medicine, music and prophecy - its why he cares for the sirens

12:38 "Not a God. But a son of a God" me nearly having a spit take because it had the same connotation as "son of a B****". Posidon might not be as worse as Zeus but still well accurate.😅

Another point regarding Ares. Everyone pointed out it was Telemachus in the first 3 songs meaning the mother their referring to is ody’s WIFE. The suitors are clearly disrespectful of Penelope, at least behind her back if not to her face. They’re also cruel to his son, “little wolf” along with the animatic from the livestream show his treatment and it’s not pretty. Considering how much he loves his wife and son, the destruction he’ll bring to the 108 men treating them in such a way will be intense. This whole situation is going to end in a lot of bloodshed. The prophet even said so, “I see your palace covered in red.” No way Ares wouldn’t want to see that, for that matter Aphrodite also would likely support him saving his family as an act of love.

"We gotta fight. We gotta.. uppercut" 😂 You and Athena on the same page

The first 3 songs happen 7 years later after Thunder Bringer and it follows Odysseus' son Telemachus. The fact that MICO sounds so much like Jorge is so good!

You were asking about Apollo earlier and why he'd care about the sirens if he's the sun god. Well for one, he's actually the god of a lot of things, music, archery, and medicine are prime examples. And 2, he's actually not the sun god in this context. During Ancient Greece, Helios was the sun god, but much later on, when the Romans had their gods, Apollo at some point replaced Sol (Roman name for Helios) as the Sun god. Fun fact: Apollo is the only Olympian god whose name doesn't change between Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire

There's a lot of comments, so I'm not sure if people said this or not yet. 1. Athena takes Aphrodite into quick thought to try and have more time to convince her but is interrupted by Ares 2. Athena brought the "never once has he cheated on his wife" thing to Hera because Zeus. Enough Said. 3. Hephaestus is sung by Jorge's dad. 4. Telemachus says he dreams and spends most of his time imagining his dad and his father's story, and a lot of them are the battles Ody actually fought. 5. When Telemachus says, "Give me a sign," in Legendary Athena's piano melody can be heard. 6. When Athena sings with Telemachus, she does Ody's AAAAaaaaAAAAaaaAaaa even though in last goodbye, she ends with her original aaaaaaa melody (idk if that makes sense sorry) 7. When Athena says he'll make everybody bleed, he means the suitors, the guys going "oooooh" at the end of Legendary, and back up singers in Little Wolf. 8. Cause I gotta end on an even number; In the Animatic, Telemachus and Ody's dog are walking together in Legendary, and because the dog is so old he has to stop to take multiple breaks, another symbol of Ody's loved ones loyalty, as well as how much time has passed Sorry for long comment, just wanted to add something, but literally everybody has already yelled at you about the Telemachus thing already, lol.

"You know I'm a fan of catchy songs." Siren song. That's Apollo's reason he's upset. He's also the god of music.

So Dave as many have pointed out first 3 songs follow Ody’s son but you ain’t wrong in a way as you heard in Love in Paradise is Ody do be lost and battling something is depths of his mind.

One of the more heartbreaking about Calypso's island looking back on it is everything was clearly against Odysseus will to the point even the gods consider what happened not cheating. Whichalso adds a punch to him on the ledge after 7 years

Apollo is mainly the God of the sun, yes, but he is the God of many things! Including medicine and music! As amazing singers, Apollo values their music immensely.

The character we follow in Legendary, Little Wolf and We'll be Alright isn't Odysseus, it's his son Telemachus back home. He's singing about how he wants to be as great as his father, meanwhile an army of suitors is trying to woo Penelope while Ody is presumed dead and one of the suitors (Antonius) challenges Telemachus to a fight.

info about calypso :))) calypso was the daughter of the titan atlas, who is always depicted holding up the sky, and a water nymph. she was on the side of the titans during their war against the gods where zeus and his siblings took over olympus; and so as a punishment she was banished to the island of ogygia that is cursed to be invisible and impossible to escape

The voices that you hear when Odysseus gets suicidal Polities (pol-it-tees) on your left, his second in command Eurylochus on your right, and his Mom in the middle. They get triggered by Calypso saying, "Ody" which Eurylochus calls him in the song "Mutiny", "I'll stay inside inside your heart" which is similar to what we hear his Mom say in "The Underworld", and "open arms" which always triggers Polities in Odysseus's head. Also, in the first three songs, it's Odysseus's son, Telemachus, who's singing. The other male voice in "Legendary" and "Little Wolf" is Antinous, who is one of the suiters. And Telemachus's Mom, who he talks about, is Penelope. For God Games: Apollo at the time frame that God Games is set, he is not the god of the sun, that's Helios (a common misconception, because google and other search platforms go off what it is now, which is Apollo, not the time period of when the Oddesey and Jorges music takes place.) Je is the god of Music (thats his main one, he has about a gazillion.) He also has no issues with Odysseus or Athena, so he really didn't have an argument for her that was a hard one. Hephaestus is played by Jorge's Dad. When you hear the explosion sound, that's Zues knocking Athena unconscious. Ares (Her half brother, same Dad) is the one who asks if Athena is dead. The music overture in the live stream has a flash back of Athena holding Baby Telemachus. Then when the music changes from "Warrior of the Mind" to "Legendary" she gets up and fights Zues's lightning blasts which in the end might of ended up killing her, Jorge wasn't exactly clear. It's ok that you didn't get the timeline or the people fully right. It took me a while to figure it out, too. I hope this comment helps a little!

Hell ya, I was waiting for this reaction! Clarification about the first songs, the little wolf isn't Odysseus. It's his son Telemachus. The songs before Love In Paradise are about the now adult Telemachus and his struggle against the numerous suitors chasing after Penelope, who they think is a widow

An amazing reaction as always Dave, ignore the comments calling you out. We all make mistakes, i look forward to the full fledhed animatics when they drop! If you do choose to react to the livestream, the first one which is about an hour long was cut short, so the second half is also up! Keep up the good work

22:54 He just said his reason 😭😭😭

You should react to his live watchstream of the saga! It has captions, animated backgrounds and Animatics from many well known epic animators with stunning visuals paired witht he kusic, i know you will LOVE it!

Not sure if someone already mentioned or said this but during the first 3 songs; Legendary Little Wolf We'll be fine Its not Odysseus who's singing but his son Telemicus who is currently a young man. During the song Love in Paradise, Athena who was convinced by Telemicus to go looking for Odi. She then relived everything that happened to him after she left and when she said Calypso kept him for 7 years she was seeing his present/current state. Hope I cleared up some of the confusion.

All is okay! I'm sure you've gotten plenty of explanations already, but the first song in the Wisdom Saga follows Telemachus, (Odysseus's son), singing about how he isn't sure whether his father, (Odysseus), is still alive anymore, but growing up hearing all these stories of him and his strength. So he sings about wanting to be strong like him, to be legendary if it means 'finding' his father if through being like him. Plus, he wants to keep Penelope, (his mother), safe from the suitors that are vying for her hand in order to become king. Also, the man insulting Penelope to Telemachus is Antinous, one of the most dangerous and confident men of the suitors looking to become the new king. It is said that 20 years have passed with no King. Odysseus left for war for twelve years, another year at sea (I think?), and seven years with Calypso as later revealed in Love in Paradise. In the second song of the saga, Antinous is telling Telemachus to stand up and fight if he, (Telemachus), thinks he can talk back and stand up to him. As he fights with Telemachus, Athena intervenes, appearing to Telemachus. Making his thoughts quick, Athena guided him through the fight, ensuring he didn't end up dead and stand his ground - even if he still lost the fight in the end. She'd helped because as she said, she doesn't respect people who enforce will upon others like Antinous and the suitors were doing. Also, it is suggested that Athena had been watching him, (Telemachus). Think similar to how Athena had watched Odysseus before appearing to him. The third song, Athena explains to Telemachus that she had a friend he reminded her of, (Odysseus). She never explicitly reveals who that friend was to Telemachus. However, she expresses her doubt of what happened between her leadership of Odysseus and the entire fight between them. And of course, Telemachus expresses that he appreciated her help and would consider her his friend, if not her ex-friend, (Odysseus). The fourth song starts out as Athena deciding to finally check on Odysseus after ten years. (Ten years had passed since their fight. So right after helping Telemachus, she makes the decision to see where he is.) The clock ticking in the background singals the time she looked through to see what Odysseus had been doing since their fight. After the vision of the end of the Thunder Saga, she loses sight of him, asking where he went. The song then cuts to Odysseus's point of view - specifically the moment he wakes up, having washed up on the shore of Calypso's island following the events during Thunder Bringer. Calypso is a goddess, a nymph who was banished to the island for reasons with other gods. Thus, when a man finally washes up, she attempts to tempt him and use her power to keep Odysseus there. She traps him for seven years. The song cuts to the present when it shifts into the part where Calypso finds Odysseus on the ledge. Seven years with her had passed, and he's still haunted by his past and the longing for home and his wife. The final song of the saga follows Athena going to Zeus for help in setting Odysseus free from Calypso and help to allow him to get home. Zeus makes it a game, challenging her to convince five different gods/goddesses that Odysseus should be released. The gods/goddesses were named: Apollo, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Ares, and Hera. 1. Apollo: Apollo is the god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, the Sun and light, poetry, and more. Specifically in EPIC: The Musical, he is upset with Odysseus for killing sirens. This is because he's god of music. Sirens sing and are known for their beautiful voices and songs. Athena argues that Odysseus only defended himself and that the sirens would now be smarter and be more cautious, thus being able to live to sing by learning the lesson to be more careful. 2. Hephaestus: Hephaestus is the god of fire, volcanoes, forges, and blacksmithing. He doesn't stand in support of Odysseus because Odysseus had betrayed his men and sacrificed all of his men. Athena argues that the men betrayed Odysseus first and brought it upon themselves. And she mentions that if Hephaestus makes the decision to release him as well, Odysseus would be able to build a future with those who miss and trust him. 3. Aphrodite: Aphrodite is the goddess of love, beauty, and fertility. She was upset with Odysseus because while Odysseus was getting lost in spiting the Cyclops and not doing what he should've to get home, his mother died waiting. (As sang in The Underworld Saga). She viewed the situation as Odysseus not really loving his mother if he would let her die heartbroken that he was still not home. Athena argues, but is interrupted by Ares. Though she soon returns to argue with Aphrodite that a broken heart can mend, begging her to reconsider. 4. Ares: Ares is the god of war and courage, so he was angry that Odysseus didn't even attempt to be courageous and risk things to fight Scylla, instead being a 'coward' and letting his men die. He brings up how Odysseus tends to use trickery and be sly with solutions, such as the Trojan Horse in order to win a war instead of being 'courageous' and facing it head on. Athena argues with him that Odysseus would make everyone bleed just to get home to Penelope. (Reference to how Odysseus has learned to be ruthless). This is also reference to how in the Ithaca Saga, Odysseus will kill the suitors for vying after Penelope and his throne. 5. Hera: Hera is the goddess of marriage, women, family, and childbirth. She simply doesn't stand with Odysseus because there are all types of stories. She doesn't hold heroes or minor gods in high esteem, especially since Zeus, her husband, has gotten involved with all kinds of heroes and such. Therefore, she doesn't trust Odysseus or the stories she hears. To her, his story is just another tragedy like countless other heroes Zeus has bothered. Athena argues that Odysseus, unlike Zeus, never once cheated on his wife, Penelope, despite the temptations he's faced. 6. Zeus: Zeus is the King of the gods, the sky, thunder, lightning, law, and order. He doesn't take kindly to being showed up and put to shame, especially by his daughter, Athena. So, he strikes her down with lightning. The saga ends with Ares asking if Athena was dead. (This would be significant, as they are siblings in mythology). Athena begs Zeus to release Odysseus in her 'last words'. In Jorge's livestream, an animatic is shown where the light leaves her eyes and she goes still after those final words. (Though I'm unsure if she is truly dead, as Calypso has even stated goddess's can't die. Of course, maybe there would be an exception considering Zeus's status. Regardless). Sorry for the ramble, lol. Seriously, I adore your EPIC: The Musical reactions! Can't wait to see you react to animatics!

I love how the instrumental of warrior of the mind turns into an instrumental of legendary for a moment

Calypso is a minor goddess, like Circe is and they usually get confused a lot. Sometimes minor gods in Greek myth doesn't really mean they have a domain; I think it's also used for beings that are not human/god demi-gods because Calypso is a nymph/god demi-god.

Helios is the sun god. Apollo didn't become connected to the sun and light until later.

I know you probably got the info given to you already a ton of times considering how late I am but I just had to get it out of my system because if I don't I'll have to pester my friends instead and they're busy Anyways This Saga took place 7 years after Thunder Bringer, 20 years after Ody went to war To explain the timeline essentially War starts - Year 0 Ward Ends (Horse and the infant) - end of year 12 Troy Saga - Thunder Saga - took place in the 13th year First 3 songs are Telemachus' introduction to us, the first song essentially sets up who he is as a person, second song to set the struggle he goes through and the third one is to fully establish his relationship with Athena Athena during the 8 years being away from Ody regretted her decision but considering they broke it off on such a negative note she decided to first help his son to maybe quell her guilt which seeing how similar the fruit is to the tree she decided to look at how Ody's been the past 8 years (I say 8 years because she went away pretty early on so I'm assuming its at the start of the 13th year so I'll just say 8) She essentially looked back to after they broke off and saw how fucked up the one year is but it stopped after thunder bringer which is why she asked him where he is now in the 4th song starting the 7 years of him stuck with Calypso whether he was trapped, wooed or put under a spell I'm not sure because this is all the context I gathered from the Album not the original story so some errors are due Somewhere around the end of the 7 years, so around the same time as the first 3 songs of the Saga and probably exactly during the 4th song, maybe its a bit in the past but similar time frame but during that time the demons inside him really took a toll and knowing the futility of it all Ody just wanted to end it all, he can't reach his goal and he's effectively imprisoned (Also as a note Calypso sounded really genuine when talking to Ody as if she's not trying to contain him but she genuinely loves him so maybe in this version he's just stuck on the island which makes it sad for Calypso because she's loving a man who will never truly love her, and Ody is a stronger man than I am because I would have folded and cried in Calypso's arm if I went through what he did like holy shit dude) Athena wanting to mend their relationship and help her old friend decided to go to her father and you know what happened, also just to say that calling Aphrodite and Ares lovers in front of her husband is wild as shit, Heph is right there and you're just openly saying how Aphrodite is more associated with Ares when considering her lover despite her being married to Heph, I guess it fits with Aphrodite's status of being the female Zeus And one last thing, Apollo is the god of the sun yes but he's also the god of archery, music and dance, truth and prophecy, healing and diseases, poetry, and more, point is he's a funky and bright musical archer poet, Sirens are famous for their singing and their alluring songs so as Apollo said when the sirens died there's less song in the world and he doesn't like that Anyways I do apologize for assaulting you with a wall of text but hope this helps anyone that's still confused and that I compiled most things that needed clearing up

At the end the reprise of thunder bringer by Zeus shows you what it’s like when he is serious. And that he was really mad with Odysseyus just playing games.

gotta note; both when she strikes back against Ares and when she makes her last plea to Zeus, Athena is backed up by the melody from Warrior of the Mind ;-; (plus when she pleas to Zeus, WOTM transitions into Legendary. just Jorge stomping on our hearts like it's nothing :))

He shouldve reacted to the live party which are like full fledged animatics

23:20 Apollo isn’t just the god of the Sun. In Greek myth, he had other spheres of control outside of that: oracles, healing, archery, *MUSIC* and arts, light, knowledge, herds and flocks, and protection of the young all fell under his dominions of control. The Sirens are famously known for the voices of song and melody, so of course he would care such beautiful singers were killed.

Even though you didn’t know it was Telemachus your first reactions were great especially because you’re not fully familiar with all the source material so it was very refreshing.

Apollo's main domain is not the sun but music, that's why he'd care about the sirens, they sing.

Apollo was upset about the sirens because he's the god of music and dance It makes sense for him to be angry at Odysseus for taking the lives of creatures that sing such beautiful songs

Apollo is fond of the Sirens' Songs, being an acclaimed and divine musician and God of the Arts. So for Odysseus to kill them in cold blood without mercy. Hope this helps

"that was Hades" dude wasnt even mentioned. He also ignored the first Apollo verse which explained his question

Great reaction. It was fun watching your genuine reaction to something new and watching you figure it out ^ ^

Ody has now been missing for 20 years meaning back in Ithaca it has had no king the whole time and women could not rule in ancient Greece so the 108 men were suitors trying to marry Penelope so they could become king. Our main singer is Telemachus and the guy shit-talking Penelope to him was named Antinous.

I still love that during Ares's part, the drums are marching drums

Someones already probably told you but that "overture" you identified during God Games is a composite of Athena and Odysseus's songs Warrior Of The Mind and Telemachus's song Legendary to imply Athena is fighting for both her champions while also drawing on her bond with them to try to persuade Zeus

Watching you try to process the songs through the lense of Odyseuss instead of Telemachus is so hilarious

The live streams help, they have animated bits and lyrics with who's singing them. Also Apollo is the god of light, Helios is the got of the sun.

sorry everyones down your throat for not getting it, this saga needs visuals and thats not ur fault theres no way you wouldve known, i hope theyre not gettin you down cuz i still thought your reaction was great either way ❤️ makes me sad to see how harsh people are when jorges whole motto is stay kind. i hope youre having a great day and i cant wait till you see the fan animatics !!

Telemachus va us sii giid Dave didnt even notice it wasnt Ody lol

So early! I can't wait to hear your take on this saga, it's so good!

The animatic for this on the live was amazing and heartbreaking

23:13 Apollo is also famously known as the God of music

Its not odessyus!!! Its not odessyus!!! Me screaming at my screen like you can hear me.. Lol!! 😂😂

I expected "Love in Paradise" to be one of the most upbeat and positive songs. I was very wrong.

The first two songs are sung by Odysseus' son. The first one being him singing about how he has been protecting his mother while his father has been away, the second being him fighting the ones who insulted her. The third song is Athena and the son having a conversation. Fourth song is Athena going to see where odysseus is and what he has been doing since she abandoned him after he fought the cyclops. The final song his her trying to get Zeus the thunder bringer to free him.

He should watch the live stream to see the animatics and understand more about whats going on. Poor athena 😢