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Epigenetic Age Test #6: My Youngest Data For Horvath, DunedinPACE 

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@Rene-uz3eb
@Rene-uz3eb Год назад
4:36 lycopene (tomatoes) protects against iron induced stress, and parsley is an iron chelator
@KoiRun50
@KoiRun50 Год назад
I would champion you and Bryan Johnson in that Rejuvenation Olympics any day. Both awesome individuals.
@NickWestgate
@NickWestgate Год назад
Congrats on the prospective rejuvenation Olympics leaderboard ranking. Also, you're the first RU-vidr I've heard say Dunedin correctly. But maybe that's from listening to presentations by the scientists involved. ; - )
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Thicks Nick. I wish I could take credit-I'm not sure if it's because I've heard it mentioned in presentations, or I got it right by accident!
@richardheck3794
@richardheck3794 Год назад
Congrats! Been following your progress for awhile. Thanks for all that you do
@vedransimic86
@vedransimic86 Год назад
Oh my, the long-awaited Horvath data! You also gave the correlations. That's terrific, so thanks a lot, Michael! And what a VERY strong correlation between body weight and Hovath! 6% body fat is very, very low, but that makes me even more curious how you will feel when you reached that and even more if it turns out that the Horvath clock age further falls! I know you mentioned somewhere, but I cannot rember, so can you share what your height is? Also, fantastic to see the strong correlation between parsley, tomatoes and the Horvath clock. I banned the cinnamon because of the fact of more biomarkers going in the wrong direction, but your data makes me want to introduce it again. Do you use Ceylon or Cassia? Again, thanks for sharing your information Michael and keep up the good work. 🙏
@monnoo8221
@monnoo8221 Год назад
after years of using cassia, my liver showed clear signs of stress... since i switched to ceylon, it improved.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Thanks Vedran. 5 foot 7 (170 cm). In terms of feel at ~9%, I don't feel any different, but that's largely impacted by sleep duration and quality, which is the same as when I was ~12%. Ceylon for cinnamon, but remember, these data may be specific to me-the key would be tracking your own data, to see if it works or not!
@vedransimic86
@vedransimic86 Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Thanks for the information, Michael! Great to hear your sleep quality and how you feel general is at 9% as good as at 12%. Let's hope it will stay the same at 6% or be even better! I know your data may not apply to me, but as I cannot afford to do very frequently blood test I use the best available data and that are yours! I am planning to do the Levine's blood test at the end of August or maybe later if I do a test inbetween for some bloodmarkers I had to improve. However, Horvath clock would nicer as the correlation with the chronological age is bigger. It's good news that it seems that getting leaner has no negative correlations with any marker, so it's a good idea to wait until reaching that goal.
@jpintero6330
@jpintero6330 Год назад
Wow, that is great news! To get more parsley I have been juicing fresh bunches in my Breville juicer. I read a paper that said 70% of the flavonoids are in the juice and 30% remain in the pulp. I suppose one could add the pulp to stews or something.
@ok373737
@ok373737 Год назад
It will be very interesting to see the effect of increasing salt while decreasing coconut butter on your HDL level. Since we saw in earlier videos that higher coconut butter and salt intakes may raise your HDL level.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Yep, that's right! If that's causation (not correlation), the good news is that I'll soon start niacin supplementation to potentially raise NAD, which may also increase HDL, based on data from ~2008.
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
​@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Hopefully you've seen this paper: Effects of Extended-Release Niacin with Laropiprant in High-Risk Patients, N Engl J Med 2014; 371:203-212. Nician has a short half life so its tricky...single dose for a large concentration spike or sustained release to minimise the spike. This paper Cooper DL et al (2015) Effects of formulation design on niacin therapeutics... International Journal of Pharmaceutics 490(1-2): 55-64., has all the relevant information.
@riaon
@riaon Год назад
ohno thanks for this. today i had 6 pieces of dates and seeing this made me realise that eating fewer dates may actually be better
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Ha, note that there are correlations, it's only 6 tests, and what may be true for me might not work for others!
@margaretmcpherson2912
@margaretmcpherson2912 Год назад
I see salt has a positive correlation again. I wonder about taking 67% potassium chloride salt rather than 100% sodium chloride ?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Hmmm, that's a possibility, thanks
@vedransimic86
@vedransimic86 Год назад
Yeah, I was assuming there was a reason not to take pottasum chloride, but it’s good news that’s not the case as you can use three times more for the same amount of conventional salt.
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
@@vedransimic86 With such a simple "reductive" change -- it should be easy for Michael to figure out the likely outcomes -- More potassium, less sodium and extra chloride. If there is a NaCl food that's helpful you might be able to add more in.
@ok373737
@ok373737 Год назад
Congrats on the 0.76!! The correlations withDunedinPace will take you to the next level, I'm sure.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Thanks @ok373737! I'm aiming for the top spot, let's see!
@ratpiper
@ratpiper Год назад
Great video and congrats on the improvements. However the wrong statistical tests were used. At 12:18 when you ask the question "Which variables are significantly correlated with DunedinPace?", the correct statistical test would be a two-tailed hypothesis test. The statistical test shown in the results was for the Pearson correlation coefficient. With this test, you are not just testing for whether a correlation exists, but for the significance of the magnitude of that correlation (i.e. the r-value). However the questions you are asking do not regard the magnitude of the correlation, just whether the correlation is nonzero, in which case the two-tailed hypothesis test is appropriate. If you reevaluated your results with the two tailed hypothesis test, I think you may very well find that body weight and perhaps also calorie intake are in fact correlated with the DunedinPace measurements, given the magnitude of the r-values combined with the relatively low p-values under the Pearson test.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
A two-tailed hypothesis test assumes I have 2 groups of data, how do I reconcile that?
@jackbuaer3828
@jackbuaer3828 Год назад
I find your information and analysis to be insightful and I am thankful for all the work you do. I have always wondered how much one can "effort" reducing the impact of aging. For all of the effort that you put into your personal health regimen, there does not seem to be much return on investment (if any) based on Horvarth and having a resulting intrinsic age that is mostly the same as chronological age. I suppose that there could be a much greater delta between intrinsic and chronological age (in the wrong direction) if you put in less or no effort. If in an ideal hypothetical world we had comparison data with a lazy identical twin, that might tend to show greater ROI and something closer to actual ROI. I have seen octogenarians outperform most everyone in certain physical fitness feats. They surely have some better markers of aging through effort and genetics. I think effort can certainly help with lifespan and healthspan to a degree. The question I ponder is how much can "effort" help and whether there is point of diminishing returns with increased effort. The low hanging fruit appears to be resistance and cardio exercise, unprocessed diet, good sleep, good relationships. I wonder how much "extra"," if any, one gets by going above and beyond the aforementioned basics in the previous sentence.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Thanks Jack. Whether my approach is impacting Horvath yet, or it's just wide variation for the test, I'm not sure, more testing will help sort that out. Nonetheless, it's promising that I've reduced/it's lower for 3 consecutive tests when compared with 56.34y in October 2022. Ha, if I was being hyperbolic, I could say I've reduced my Horvath epigenetic age by ~6y within the past 6 months...
@jackbuaer3828
@jackbuaer3828 Год назад
​@@conqueragingordietrying1797 I did not realize that there was a 12% reduction (according to Horvarth measurements). That would seem to indicate that one could achieve significant results through effort. Thanks again for all of the work that you do and sharing it with the public!
@conqueragingordietrying1797
@@jackbuaer3828 Thanks jack. I'm not sure I caused it, though, it could be test-to-test variability...
@friedux2065
@friedux2065 Год назад
The parsley is probably Apigenin. I would just use liposomal Apigenin from Codeage or RenueByScience if you dont want to increase dietary intake.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
I've since increased parsley intake, no worries...
@ashkonj
@ashkonj Год назад
Would be curious to see how your fitness metrics compare to the DunedinPACE? For example, what is your VO2max, how much time do you spent at 85%+ HR per week, how much time do you spend right below the lactate threshold for aerobic training per week, and any strength benchmarks you have. Thanks!
@conqueragingordietrying1797
I don't track VO2 max, but I do track RHR and HRV. I can look at those correlations... I track strength, flexibility, mobility, and balance-that's been a constant over the past few years with no losses.
@jaimemarun2841
@jaimemarun2841 Год назад
Excellent! Could it be a very good idea to interview Eliana Gomez or Gabriela wang, or even both? in order to know their habits that allow them to have such a low rate of aging
@siasina
@siasina Год назад
Are they known public figures? Do they have a channel or any social media?
@jaimemarun2841
@jaimemarun2841 Год назад
@@siasina I don't know.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Definitely, that's an option!
@justsaying7065
@justsaying7065 Год назад
Siim Land’s number is 0.62.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
@@justsaying7065 That's great, but it's likely only 1 test-if he had 3, it would be on the Leaderboard.
@monnoo8221
@monnoo8221 Год назад
would be interesting to see how centerians score on a horvath map... it measures actual DNA methylation which is believed (!) to decrease metabolic flexibility. But it is not a constant. Would it then feasible to expect a strong relation to SAM and homocysteine and NAD? If you try to correlate the scored sum of the foods that act on NAD\CD38\methylation ?
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
What do you mean by Horvath map? The centenarians seem to have younger epigenetic ages. It also appears in specific areas, see e.g. "Epigenetic profile of Japanese supercentenarians: a cross-sectional study, Komaki et al 2023".
@edwhite2255
@edwhite2255 Год назад
Michael, do you speculate as I do that since parsley is a top source of apigenin which has been shown to lower CD38 thereby helping NAD levels, that is helping to slow your aging?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Hey Ed, I'm not sure that's true in my case. Even with ~100mg of apigenin/d from fresh parsley, my NAD levels have been relatively low, ~25 uM.
@ok373737
@ok373737 Год назад
Hi Dr! if you don't mind, can you share which deodorant you use?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Sure, Idon't wear deodorant-I wash my armpits every morning with a ph = 5 skin cleanser.
@timwilliams9100
@timwilliams9100 Год назад
Good luck with the aging olympics FYI would you suggest Liposomal Apigenin for those who cant STAND parsley ? LOL
@monnoo8221
@monnoo8221 Год назад
a recipe: dried parsley in olive oil, add aceto balsamico and soya sauce. In this way I do not need to flood all my recipes
@thomasmuller1850
@thomasmuller1850 Год назад
@@monnoo8221 Dried parsley mustn't contain that much apigenin. Some guy on a forum has a lab and tested dried parsley. There was no apigenin in it.
@bgrobbins
@bgrobbins Год назад
I wish I could understand how limiting sulfur containing amino acids (meth, cyst) extends lifespan, and increasing GlyNAC also extends lifespan. How is this possible?
@surfreadjumpsleep
@surfreadjumpsleep Год назад
Do you think epigenetic reprogramming will come fast enough for us? problem seems to be these jumping genes & then things like somatic mosaicism. i'm sure there are way more problems too, most obviously not being able to reset epigenetic resetting without resetting cell identity. ugh..
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Definitely, I'm bullish on epigenetic reprogramming, and generally bearish on most anti-aging interventions, though.
@surfreadjumpsleep
@surfreadjumpsleep Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 I'm very interested in what new limit is doing. This morning somehow I was thinking about you and wondering if you are taking a statin or are measuring your APOB. Mine was a little high around 95 so I started taking 10 mg lipitor and now it's around 55. Bizarrely I live in Maine and apparently the guy who invented lipitor lives down the road from me. This is not a fancy house place he's just somehow a neighbor in a fairly modest house.
@Montie-Adkins
@Montie-Adkins Год назад
So what does this 50.78 mean compared to previous tests which show your age to be younger? Does this go hand in hand with the rate of aging where say you can claim to be as healthy as someone in their early 30's so you are looking at something like living 30% longer than you would have barring any further rejuvenation science to come?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
It shows that Horvath's clock either has a wide variation, and/or it's malleable. I can't control its inherent variability, but I'm aiming for my youngest data by following the correlations. The Horvath data is not hand-in-hand with my other biological age data, which shows that I have weak spots to work on. When all biomarkers look like youth, then I'd be more comfortable saying that. Other wear spots are BP (120/70 avg, I'm aiming for 100/60), homocysteine, DHEA-S, and NAD. I'm not sure about the 30% lifespan extension, nobody has the answer to that. However, I'd predict a maximal extension of my health, and genetic limit for lifespan-whether that's 30%, more, or less, we'll see...
@paulcohen6727
@paulcohen6727 Год назад
It appears that epigenetics is an or the indicator of biological age. But is it the or one of the causes or drivers of biological age or just an indicator of biological age?
@kenneth4970
@kenneth4970 Год назад
Which company do you use for testing IEAA and DunedinPACE? Is it just the 'TruAge PACE' test?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
TruDiagnostic, it's the TruAge Complete kit. Discount link in the video's description
@kenneth4970
@kenneth4970 Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Thank you!!
@Earwaxfire909
@Earwaxfire909 Год назад
Is there a way to measure "stress" versus "distress" and correlate those with aging?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
The combination of HRV and RHR is a good metric for stress (distress, too), which is one reason why I track them...
@Earwaxfire909
@Earwaxfire909 Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Thank you! I'm wondering if these are a good measure of aging rates?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
@@Earwaxfire909 They change during aging, and resisting that is a part of the slowing aging approach...
@abdelilahbenahmed4350
@abdelilahbenahmed4350 Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 In that case what would be the cutoff for detecting a significant stress , for instance a daily average RHR of more than 70 ?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
@@abdelilahbenahmed4350 That depends on the individual. For example, a RHR of 70 would be a significant deviation for me, as my average RHR in 2023 has been ~43 bpm. But for someone with an average RHR of 70, seeing 70 bpm wouldn't be a significant deviation, but 75 would be.
@N330AA
@N330AA Год назад
Cinnamon might be lowering your blood glucose slighly, which could be one of the indicators.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
I wish that were true-cinnamon is not significantly correlated with glucose in my data. If I did YT full time, I'd make that video...
@N330AA
@N330AA Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Really? That's disappointing as i just ordered 1lb of Ceylon Cinnamon based on a study that showed it did. But the study was with T2 diabetics so maybe it doesn't lower it for normal people.
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
@@N330AA I thought the evidence was it increased insulin sensitivity. It could still be having an effect, it could be a blind spot of the data, as post meal glucose spikes are different to fasted morning measurements.
@N330AA
@N330AA Год назад
@@jamesgilmore8192 It could be that in healthy people you just produce less insulin rather than lowering blood sugar. Which is still a good thing. Oh well i've ordered it now so i'm gonna take it regardless.
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
Have you considered that the epigenetic clocks may be more responsive than some of the other biomarkers? Maybe you could reanalyse using different time lengths before the test. Hopefully the results would be similar, but if not.... at a minimum you might be able to identify which are robust and which are not.... . [This is a common error in this type of study -- mismatched time scales].
@conqueragingordietrying1797
I can look at correlations for clock data with standard blood biomarkers, to see if anything's correlated...
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
​@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Yes you could do that -- its worthwhile. I was thinking averaging your dietary numbers for the last x days before each test and compute the correlations again (and changing x). I'm not sure how much your diet varies day to day though. I'm fairly comfortable with the previous timeframes you've been using for the standard blood biomarkers. For example, I'd be pretty confident the red blood cell correlations aren't going to change much because they last around 90 days. I've just seen some interventional studies in epigenetics with large changes over short timeframes.
@nattykingsman1145
@nattykingsman1145 Год назад
So assuming that my DunedinPAC value is 0.8, in 10 years would I have aged 8 years? Which means that I age 20% slower than the normal population?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Yep!
@abdelilahbenahmed4350
@abdelilahbenahmed4350 Год назад
Thx Prof. LUSTGARTEN for this another great and helpful presentation. Intresting to see that dates have been shown in one of your previous videos ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gWeht1QdpLc.html) to be associated with a shortening of telomeres. And in the present video, we again see that dates have a negative impact on your biological age. Therefore are you going to stop consuming dates even if it happens that they are actually healthy for you as far as the "big picture" is concerned ? Are you consuming dried prunes, dried grapes or dried figs and may I ask you if these dried fruits have a negative or neutral impact on your biological age ?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Thanks Abdelilah, that's a possibility-date intake is currently at the low end of my range (20g/d), and below my average since 2015 (28g/d), so I'm following those correlations... Nope on those 3 foods, with the exception of grape seed powder for the NAD experiment. Aside from dates, I try to stay away from dried fruit, as it's calorie dense and not very satiating.
@moniquebrachet5698
@moniquebrachet5698 Год назад
I noticed in the list of people most are female. Since women live longer maybe it's normal. Is there 2 DunedinPace calcularions, one for man one for women, or only one for both?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
That's a great point, I'd bet that women on average have lower DunedinPACE values when compared with men-I can ask them, to see if that's true! Only 1 calculation for both.
@jamesgilmore8192
@jamesgilmore8192 Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 Michael -- yes they should split by gender. Please recommend.
@RiadhChandarli
@RiadhChandarli Год назад
are you still taking 1000mg NMN? don't you think the positive effect just started taking place?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Hey RiadhChandarli, I took 1000 mg NMN and saw a NAD boost (25 to 39 uM), but since then I've been trying to figure out why NAD is low, with experiments focused on B6 and grape seed powder. I started niacin last night, instead of NMN. I'll have a video on the why behind that sooner, rather than later... NAD is a metabolite-its levels should change quickly with an added stimulus (NMN, NR, etc). If this was an attempt to reverse potentially irreversible epigenetic changes, I'd agree that 1 week may be too short, but that's not currently the case.
@RiadhChandarli
@RiadhChandarli Год назад
@@conqueragingordietrying1797 thanks for your response, i really appreciate your rigorous experimentations and sharing your journey with the public. I'm following many youtubers who are testing their biological age, and started to observe some patterns based on what they are sharing. it seems that boosting NAD+ has the most powerful effect on Horvath age than anything else, aspects like fitness level, body composition and diet seems to have large effect on PhenoAge but not much on DNAAge, or at least not as strongly. Excuse if you find this rude, but i see this pattern more apparent in your case, your PhenoAge is 30 something, which is impressive, however your Horvath age doesn't seem to improve until you started optimizing your NAD+. I'm very interested in seeing the correlation between Horvath age and NAD+ levels in your future videos. Thanks again for the great content.
@eyera18901865
@eyera18901865 Год назад
Mike, We have talked about this before. I am not clear how you can ignore methylation defects or methylation donors/ consumers when nterpreting dunedin. For example, if one has a genetic methylation defect like A1298 or the other synp, isnt it lofical that methylation on cpg would be affected? How about dietary methyl donors or consummers ( like high dose niacin)?? Clearly these should affect dunedin or horvath. Not taking this into consideration is lkke not consideting refined sugar intake when interpreting a1c. This area needs more study.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
I calculated correlations with macros and micros, too, but I didn't include them in this video for brevity. In terms of nutrients related to methyl donors, B6 is close to significancy for a younger Horvath age (r=-0.79, p=0.06), but folate and B12 aren't close to significance (r=0.41, p=0.42, r=0.03, p=0.96, respectively).
@justsaying7065
@justsaying7065 Год назад
There are other methyl donors including folate, betaine, B2, choline, and methionine.
@conqueragingordietrying1797
@@justsaying7065 Folate isn't significant;y correlated in my data (see above). I could calculate the others...
@justsaying7065
@justsaying7065 Год назад
I wonder if total intake of methyl donors would be correlated, rather than any single one, since we need all of them.
@edwhite2255
@edwhite2255 Год назад
Michael, do you know what the other folks high on the leaderboard are doing? Are some just genetically gifted or are all LE hacking?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Aside from Bryan Johnson, Lance Hitchings, Ben Greenfield, I'm not sure what the others are doing...
@edwhite2255
@edwhite2255 Год назад
It would be nice if you formed a group with those top people and see what everyone is doing
@conqueragingordietrying1797
@@edwhite2255 Hmm, maybe once I get that top spot!
@tommyortiz6623
@tommyortiz6623 Год назад
Since there is two types of cinnamon, one that is supposed to be slightly toxic, which one are you using? Are you able to reach out to Eliana Perez to find out what she is doing or if she is just younger?
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Ceylon-I but the sticks and then grind them myself. I have no idea where to find her...
@bhut1571
@bhut1571 Год назад
Yikes; how does one have enough time to do this. Impressive.
@monnoo8221
@monnoo8221 Год назад
he is a professor working in this field... Anyway impressive :)
@conqueragingordietrying1797
Ha, I love doing it, so I make time, and thanks!
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