Episode 156 - Emil Cioran - Failure and Suicide 

Yeah he messed that one up :))

And yet he was driven to it which brought him peace. Funny old world

Read Nostalgia by Mircea Cărtărescu, another Romanian writer....

Please don't bro. This is just one philosopher with his own silly ideas. What about Karol Wojtyła (Personalism), who said that the world is always worse off after the death of every single individual person, the world would always be poorer if any of us did not exist. Stay strong brother.

suicide is probably the dumbest thing a human can do

please consider seeking help. the world is a brighter and better place because each one of us exists and that includes you. Things may be very hard but you don't have to suffer alone. please talk to someone about it. take care

Don't listen to these cucks. Suicide is a fundamental human right. We didn't choose to be born but we, as a conscious being, have the choice to die

@@blazejbialek7416 "poorer," i.e., one less wage slave to be bled dry.

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​@@operationblackout1095uhm, no

Brutal book for me, at first. Now I love it and all his works. I had to leave philosophy altogether after it, but I always come back to his works.

@@scottobyrne what do you mean you have to leave philosophy? Good for you if it helps, it affected my mood so much that I just threw the book away haha!

@@natureswhisper1397 I should of said for a while, like a month lol. It orginally depressed me so I just quit reading philosophy and other stuff. How real his books are was like a slap in the face! But I came back better than ever afterwards. His book Tears and Saints is really good.

@@scottobyrne oh I see. Not sure it's the best way to see life though. We can't really know for sure why he thought what he was writting but things can be seen in a more positive light. Anyway, I'm glad you came back to philosophy!

hahaha I also noticed that. Bucharest is the capital of Romania

@@dinaraurazova3094 Yup. Nicely done otherwise.

I realized that one too :) but then, it's an episode about failure, so seems like a good time to make a mistake ;) Love these podcast, I listened to them all the time during the first lockdown

@@ricardatorner3576 Yup. I may have been too quick to point that out; I myself am subscribed.

@@ricardatorner3576 It's an excellent video and great channel overall! It was an ironic mistake, which made the whole message even more relatable!

Americans aren't known to be good at geography.

Where are you from Alfin?

I also noticed that but, as Stephen emphasized at the beginning, Cioran wasn't trying to create any consistent narrative or philosophy. His writing was an act of therapeutic self expression. However, the concept of failure is actually really interesting. Apart from very clear situations in which a person engages in some endeavour or competition, it's hard to define failure. I mean, most often we judge ourselves or others as failures simply because we fail to reach a goal or a standard that we might never have truly wanted to reach. There may never be a definitive answer to a question, am I a failure? From what perspective? According to what measure? I wonder whether it's possible that deep in my heart I despised the success that I thought I desired and by failing I succeeded at avoiding the fate that I wanted to avoid? I don't know. Maybe it's a convenient rationalization. The thing is that I can't imagine myself conventionally successful but for most of my adult life I was convinced that I failed by not achieving success which I know was not defined by me but merely appropriated as an object of desire. I didn't fail because I'm not good enough at holding a job and homemaking; I'm fairly intelligent, educated, skillful... there seems to be no objective reason for my failure so maybe... maybe I succeeded, if not at creating a life of my dreams (simply because I never managed to create a compelling vision of such a life, perhaps because I didn't see the point), then at least at avoiding being trapped in a life designed or prescribed by someone else?

An universe with meaning always implies a purpose to it, which means a creator in the religious sense. If a meaningless universe was intentional, our suffering is intentional as well. I think meaninglessness as a result of unconscious randomness sounds slightly better.

@@Tore_Lund but one could also ask where does the unconscious randomness come from. And keep going back. Humans create meaning. We can’t avoid it. Even saying it’s meaningless is us giving it a meaning. It’s thought based. We just can’t get out of that pattern. Which is fine but we might also acknowledge we just haven’t got a fucking clue 😀

@@markkeogh2190 I agree on that, humans can not avoid seeking meaning, regardless of how often we remind ourselves that there is none. We also still take the next breath, even if it is not a permanent solution. I think that the urge to find meaning in religion, or in our own lives is an evolutionary survival instinct to get some kind of illusion of a predictable future, but as an instinct only, it can not be defended scientifically as anything but a feeling, like love and anger. It is not meaning in the objective sense. When you ask where randomness comes from, you're asking a hard scientific question? Randomness in thoughts ( original ideas) have not been determined. The jury is still out about if we have free will at all (randomness) or we are simply state-machines only acting on external impulses. If we do, that randomness can very well be Quantum Mechanical and random in nature. Are you saying that such property of the Universe is intentional? Is that an argument for a created universe with some purpose, (not necessarily including a purpose to humanity and planet Earth)? If randomness is intentional is it true randomness if it is intented to create life? Is it a creation argument you are making?

Camus was more of an anxiety guy

More like sober Camus

Suicide is most definitely only one possible outcome…suicide is the most tragic health outcome 💔

He dont want to publish. Who discover his manuscripts want it. He never live on his succes. Google it.