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Episode 20 • Should Worship Musicians Be Paid?

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In Episode 20, we tackle the big question of whether or not musicians in church should be paid... this is a big one. And you might be surprised by some of our dialogue!
We discuss some of the positive and negative affects that paying (or not paying) musicians can have on a worship team. At the end of the day, how are we best supporting and inspiring growth, community, and unity within the local church to the best of our ability and our leadership?
For this episode, we thought we'd bring in our panel of worship leaders and musicians with Worship Online - Libby Lewis, Brenton Miles, and Shalon Palmer - Laughter is inevitable when you get these three together... it's also key to a healthy conversation about something that could be considered controversial. So enjoy the craziness.
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The Worship Online Podcast is recorded live at Gnome Studios in Nashville, TN.

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@nickonan4270 Год назад

Part of the issue is musicians get their entire heart and salvation questioned for wanting 50-100 bucks for their skill😅

@kingdomofthewesternsahara-2588 Год назад

This. We are accused of acting unchristian for desiring compensation

@Worshiponline Год назад

Totally agree! Great perspective! Thanks for sharing

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

Well said!

@stevesmith1493 3 года назад

You don’t “have to” pay musicians, you “get to” pay musicians.

@JosephSmith-ri5bx Год назад

Perfectly said

@pililani_blessings Год назад

No, they should not be paid. Only the Pastor or church minister is supposed to be paid. The rest, tell them to get a job or start business. They should sing and/play the instruments for the Lord, As an act of service to God. ..

@stevesmith1493 Год назад

@@pililani_blessings Cheap, small, religious churches and people don’t wanna pay anybody. That’s why they stay small, struggle, and eventually die.

@julianmanjarres1998 Год назад

@@stevesmith1493so you're suggesting a church grows through paying it's servants? Isn't it God who grows the church by bringing people to repent to him? Or do you think that if there are highly trained professionals being payed to play there, more people will show up? If so, do you think quality music is the reason a person should come to church?

@stevesmith1493 Год назад

@@julianmanjarres1998 God is a God of absolute excellence. Sure, great worship is as good of a reason as many to attend a church. Nothing more distracting than bad worship, unruly children, and poorly kept facilities to run off good people. Most churches pay the janitor, lawn guy, maintenance, secretary , etc. They also fire them when they aren’t good. Musicians fall into that category for me. Hire great ones and try to keep them. I even remember the pianist and organist getting paid back in the day. NOBODY had a problem with that! Why? Because you can’t play hymns without a pianist and only skilled musicians who have committed years to training can play. Pretty simple actually. Plus, worship is highly visible and maybe the very first thing a person sees. It’s critical to church growth.

@ramonaltamirano340 5 лет назад

It's what you and your church agree to. Simple.

@scottmctaggart8171 4 месяца назад

It depends on the size of the church and the demands it puts on musicians. 2. If the musician has hit a point where they are consistant, and play at a high level. You might get a new musician learning the ropes and do not play at a high level. But if a musician is putting in more than 8 hrs. Serving in combined fashion of at home learning the material, going to rehearsal for the band, and doing a service or more than 1 service, pay them 80 to a hundred bucks minimum. Remember there is wear and tear on vehicles for travel, Gas, time, and food. If a musician is at church at a given sunday for 6 hours, feeed them! As well wear and tear on instruments and equipment. If a piece of equipment needs to be fixed pay the bill. If they need new strings pay the bill or get them some strings. If they are bringing their own set of drums pay for a new symbol or new skins. Even smaller churches can show their appreciation through small contributions to the musician over time helping that musician meet the obligations or demands of the church they are serving at.

@stevesmith1493 3 года назад

Even in my smaller denominational church growing up, the piano player and organist were always paid.

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@rickeyjones729 Год назад

@pililanimughogho1249 only thing in church that should be free and demanded. Paid or not musicians the ones who should even be discussed. Are at church more than 90 percent of the congregation.

@frederickhunter4649 8 месяцев назад

This is the big problem today people are trying to turn the church into an arcade,a casino, one big fun house ,where any thing goes, a den of thieves just like Jesus said

@chrisevanz 3 года назад

My experience is that the mega-churches have created this professionalised model that much smaller churches without the personnel or resources can't match. Paying musicians is the same as paying the pastor - same argument.

@julianmanjarres1998 9 месяцев назад

Not really. Music is considered less essential than a pastor. Jesus called his believers to worship in spirit and in truth. Music is not required to accomplish this. Music is not required, but it is appreciated.

@hubertcabanban5179 4 года назад

i play in a church that doesn't even give me something to pay for transportation.. im not asking for big amount, just compensation for my skill talent, i think im being neglected

@hubertcabanban5179 4 года назад

@@MusicWithA147 thanks for the response maybe your right its time to re evaluate my service .. i love to play music and songs to the Lord almighty but im just talking about being "fair" doing my service and purpose to the church but them not giving something in return?.. and i think its just common sense of Fairness

@kirtlamb4413 2 месяца назад

Since I didn't think"pastors, bishops, evangelist's, teachers, etc" should be paid. No, I don't think those who lead music in the church be paid. Everyone should work. Make your money at your job and give yourself to the Kingdom.

@Worshiponline 2 месяца назад

Thanks for sharing your perspective!!

@tjmusiker407 8 месяцев назад

No pay, no play.

@leannbarker572 2 года назад

This is a complicated subject. I think it is different at every church. Smaller churches don’t have the budget to pay musicians. They also have less of a chance to have professional quality. Larger churches, especially mega churches, do however have a budget for and certainly demand professional quality. Music is a thing people can do as a hobby or a profession which can make this issue unclear. I say if professional quality is expected that pay the musicians, but also make sure they are following God’s call to minister and not just doing another gig. If the church can’t afford to pay the musicians, fine, but than don’t demand of them as if they are professionals.

@Worshiponline 2 года назад

Such great insight, LeAnn!

@Spladoinkal 5 месяцев назад

It's actually unbiblical to NOT pay musicians (assuming the church is in a position to of course, a starter church where even the pastor is unpaid obviously isn't ready to). The Levites AND the musicians were 100% supported in the Bible. In fact, in Nehemiah, Israel was rebuked for not bringing proper tithe to the temple because the Levites AND singers (musicians) had to abandon the temple and work the fields to support themselves. Why? Because God desires excellence. If we're going to worship the King of Kings, we should be doing so with our "First fruits" not leftovers. Coming into the service tired from a 40 hour work week at a full time job unrelated to worship after having run through the songs a handful of times because there was no more time/energy to do so is NOT first fruits.

@brianjames4169 3 месяца назад

I enjoy playing music and do so at my church willingly and unselfishly. The Bible says make a joyful noise unto the Lord. That’s what I do and have no regrets. Free of charge. I’m not there to turn a dollar in any form.

@Worshiponline 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much for your input!

@stevesmith1493 3 года назад

I think the heart of the musician is not at question but rather the heart of the church. You put your money where your heart is. Not everyone can play instruments. Anyone can be a janitor. Janitors get paid, lawn care, Secretary, etc.

@drivventodrumm1 Год назад

Exactly

@rickeyjones729 Год назад

Let's go further we can also be deacons, pastors, and ushers. However the rest of the congregation including the position I just name can not provide the anointed music. Playing for church is a full set. And to be at the level to be paid or accepted by a church is more dedication and time than the avg worshipper. Drenched in sweat after playing 1 song for 7 minutes.

@shortylos Год назад

Being a janitor, a secretary, a lawn person is a business. Church should not be, worshipping God is not a business. If you get paid to worship, then it doesn’t come from the heart. If you don’t get paid anywhere, will you want to give the same energy to worshipping God?? I am the worship leader at my church. I have a full time job and I take the time to worship God for free. So the question is there, if you don’t get paid to worship, would you quit worship?

@shortylos Год назад

I think we can clearly see where elevation music has come to. We must be different from the world.

@rickeyjones729 Год назад

@shortylos worship leader what is harder leading the worship. Or knowing how to play the instrument that is backing the worship.... not a deceitful question. But I play drums organ, piano, bass, and sing... and they cost money to even get started and the logged hours to even be paid. Is just crazy so let's get back to the actual truth here. Its great you have another job, so essentially, what you're saying is your job has u financially set. Where other musicians only want to be musicians, nothing else... and only a number of ways to do that... play for a mainstream artist that is not Godly. I've seen plenty of Katie Perry stories. Or stay where your soul can be saved in church where they tell u don't be worldly. But expect u to go find a real job... where your mind and heart are not completely on God and giving your talent 1000% to him... and their are musicians who make over 100k a year just playing music... and 9/10 they are the musicians who play on every contemporary gospel song since like 2000- till now. Do you believe visiting pastors and prophets should be paid?.

@xyz6865 4 года назад

But we pay the plumber to fix the church toilet

@blessingecoma9233 4 года назад

Do ushers, prayer warriors, sunday school teachers, backup singers, children church workers get paid?

@bilbojohnson9191 3 года назад

@@blessingecoma9233 Do ushers, prayer warriors, Sunday school teachers etc have to spend 10+ years practicing at home before they can serve? do they have to spend thousands of dollars out of their own pocket in order to serve and bring thousands of dollars worth of gear each weekend to serve? Do they serve 10+ hours on the weekend at rehearsals and serving all services? Do they spend hours at home practicing each week? I don't think it's really an accurate comparison.

@blessingecoma9233 3 года назад

@@bilbojohnson9191 Paul the Apostle probably spent a lot of money for his training under renowned tutors like Gamaliel, yet when he (Paul) got converted he willingly spent time and money in voluntary service to God Acts 22:3; 2Cor. 12:11-18. By the way, who says singers (back up and lead) don't spend time and money in training? Same for teachers and other church workers. Excellence in ministry is not limited to instrumentalists.

@bilbojohnson9191 3 года назад

@@blessingecoma9233 Paul was paid in a sense though, (because of the support he received from various churches) so that argument doesn't hold water. Check out 1 Corinthians 9 on Paul's use of resources (i.e., money) for ministry. My point was not to argue anything about singers, singers are musicians as well. I intentionally did not mention singers in my comment above because much of the same applies to singers. My point is this: some people are compensated for their contribution, others are not. There must, therefore, be a basis for determining who is and who is not compensated. If you want to argue that no one should be compensated, that's fine. But it is no where near comparable to suggest that ushers and musicians serve to the same degree therefore neither should be paid (that they're in the same category of should or should not be paid). Or that if musicians are paid, the so should ushers etc. At my church, when I serve on the weekends, it's rehearsal saturday afternoon followed by saturday evening service, then 3 services on sunday. it's almost 12 hours of serving per weekend. This does not include the hours you spend at home learning parts/charts. It also does not include the years required to master the craft. you're also expected to have professional equipment (expensive guitars, pedals etc), which you have to bring back and forth. Whereas ushers serve a single service typically, requires no training outside of church, requires no financial investment, and does not require extra time practicing at home. If you want to argue that singers should be included in who ought to be paid, fine. But it remains true that ushers, sunday school teachers etc that you mentioned do not serve to the same capacity.

@blessingecoma9233 3 года назад

@@bilbojohnson9191 a cleaner, in a school for example, does not spend as much time, effort and funds as a teacher in learning their trade. Yet, they are both paid, even if the cleaner earns less than the teacher. I truly hope this discussion we're having is seen as what I believe it is; a healthy examination of if church musicians should be paid or not, I do not wish to cause offence. I've served in church choirs for over 20 years in various capacities. There are rehearsals, at least twice a week. Services three times a week. Special programs at least once a month. Not to add rehearsals and programs which hold at different times a year in different branches under the 'parent' church. I've also seen committed, talented Christian singers/Instrumentalists experience under-appreciation, over-use, frustration, burn out etc. And I've even experienced same and sought healing. To be balanced, I've also seen the greed, competition, pride etc that goes on within these circles and even amongst pastors and church leaders. Apostle Paul was appreciated and honoured by churches in his time. His commitment to God's work was not based on this. Check out vs. 12-19 of 1st Cor. 9 and you'll see that 'that argument' is full of water, raining in fact. Lol. The reality is, its a choice to be a church worker or not. If a person gets born again and chooses to use their passion and talents to serve and minister for God, in whatever capacity; to win souls, build faith, encourage, uplift etc, remuneration should not be the primary consideration or become the bone of contention it has become in some Christian circles today. So many in ministry have lost the joy and fulfilment of serving in ministry. Even more are up for grabs to the highest paying churches/ministries and sometimes end up in places where the gospel is a tool for materialism or worse. God bless you.

@timelwell7002 9 месяцев назад

In Luke 10 verse 7 Jesus says: '... those who work deserve their pay' (NLT). As a musician, as well as being a Christian, I think that in a large church with a large congregation and which has a substantial income (from tithes and offerings) - musicians should always be paid, and paid generously. HOWEVER, if the church is small, and the income is small, then this is not a realistic possibility. Here in the UK the overwhelming majority of churches have relatively small congregations, and therefore have small incomes. Thus not many worship musicians in the UK ever get paid - it's almost unheard of, in fact. Only those who perform at larger venues - such as Lucy Grimble, Graham Kendrick, etc. can expect payment here in the UK. Sadly, some of the large churches iin the US are run AS BUSINESSES. The famous televangelists - usually multi-millionaires - have become rich due to the generosity of their congregations. Indeed, the obscene levels of wealth of some preachers/pastors is completely OTT. An example of this would be multi-millionaire and downright dodgy preacher Kenneth Copeland has no less than 7 private jets. From what I can ascertain from this side of the Atlantic, worship musicians in US churches are all too often exploited - I suspect by the very multi-millionaire pastors mentioned earlier.

@CurtisBernard Год назад

It's always funny when the leaders who are paid want to tell musicians why they shouldn't be paid....

@Worshiponline Год назад

Lots of thoughts and opinions on this topic!

@KrashTheMusician 7 месяцев назад

Short answer is YES!!!!!!!!!!

@robertbraga9602 9 месяцев назад

Not worth it anymore played for over 11music diectors and the last one was the tipping point played for free all those years this one attacked my character and did not stop in front of the whole band never forgot it to this day I now got a job in a music studio best decision I have ever made the people I work with are so much nicer and understanding and I get paid for it so much for music directors church musicians are leaving its not worth the time and the countless hours of rehearsing at home to get ready for a church sevice and they are not being paid for this the church needs to get their act together or it won’t be long before they start loosing a lot of other musicians these are smart people and they know when enough is enough just want to share these comments in love blessings

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, Robert. Not all churches are like that. There are churches who are doing it right by their musicians. I pray you can find one!

@alanjohnson2853 10 месяцев назад

Like a lot of things, it depends. There are at least a few factors to consider, such as the size of the church, financial situation, and the level of production expected from the musicians. Scripture says "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain." Deuteronomy 25:4 NIV and "Elders who do their work well should be respected and paid well..." 1 Timothy 5:17 NLT, and "a workman is worthy of his wages"

@Worshiponline 10 месяцев назад

Totally agree! Great insight!

@CurtisBernard Год назад

Team night isn't going to upkeep my bass, feed me and on and on..

@Worshiponline Год назад

Interesting perspective! Thanks for sharing!

@carlostorres1171 6 лет назад

To me, and this had been stated in the Elevation portion. Yeah, if your service demands a level of quality or additional time and input, you should probably at least be WILLING to pay your musicians. And on the other hand I get that the only real way to determine if someone would give it all they can even if they're not being paid is...well...not paying them. It IS however often interesting to how the thought that money corrupts motivation pretty much stops at musicians. No one (that I observe) asks that question about Kids Ministry service leads, or admin staff, and certainly not pastors. It certainly is an interesting topic for sure. And it IS potential a great CONTINUOUS cost to pay the band. So I understand the economic side of it as well. It is interesting to me why people feel they need drums, or guitar, or or or or or or. I love both of those things, but the "need" for them, as I observe, often seems to be rooted in an undue elevation of aesthetic. That was kind of all over the place. Love your stuff. KEEP DOING THE THINGS!!!

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@timothytookes1191 Год назад

Thanks for sharing your heart about this issue. I viewed about 8 videos on this subject and most had scriptures to back up their points of views for both paying musicians and not paying them. What I found most refreshing about your viewpoint is that is based on grace. "It depends" is the most complete response to this and many other issues surrounding church worship. I feel much more at liberty on this subject to serve freely and if the issue arrives where a paid situation materializes, then that's ok too.

@Worshiponline Год назад

So happy this was helpful! You’re totally right.

@lonewolfmgtow7187 2 года назад

I’m a be straight up honest me personally as a musician it doesn’t feel good to leave the comfort of my house to go to a ministry on a weekly basis and Not get paid anything sorry that doesn’t sit well with me

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

Nor should it sit well with you!

@danielbrobst7389 3 года назад

I think if you don't have a lot of money as a church you can pay one person. One great musician that is paid full time can lead worship by himself or herself and do an amazing job. Churches that don't pay any musicians usually have music that does not touch me. A lead musician won't do as great if she has to work full time at Best Buy.

@shortylos Год назад

When you go to church for the cool music and praise and worship is not in your heart with God in mind would create your situation. 2 Corinthians 3:17 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. When you are inhabited by the Holy Spirit, even if the music doesn't sound like elevation, Lakewood, Hillsong etc.. All whose music has touched millions and yet they are just as secular as the next worldly band. If you only get touched by professional music then you should question what you are really looking for.

@user-td8bi6el3s 9 месяцев назад

Yes Yes yes,

@Worshiponline 9 месяцев назад

✅

@leonpressley6882 Год назад

I think that if you feel that you need to be paid for worship you should and get paid well and if they don't then stop playing for the worship team altogether then go into the world and use your gifts for monetary gain..cause you are trying to live off your talent ..which I belive their is nothing wrong with that ...if the church says it's about God then walk ..real talk

@Worshiponline Год назад

Appreciate your insight on this, bro 👊

@paxtonwhatley1242 6 лет назад

that is good stuff. Thanks for the wisdom!

@JAMA1ful Год назад

I always think a music team should be paid if you wamt good music otherwise you get what you pay look at the levites

@Worshiponline 11 месяцев назад

Good point!

@nukeman444 3 года назад

If you can't find a musician, soon you'll have to pay someone. Simple supply and demand.

@rustyshackleford9557 Год назад

Or better yet, don't find new musicians. Sell those in ear monitors to buy some Bible 101 lessons. Sell that Gawwwwd awful P.A. to Guantanamo to use as a torture device 😉 and teach that congregation the gospel so they can teach it to others. But first give that K-Love cover band a pop quiz on the Gospel so you can fully see how Bible illiterate most truly are.

@That49ers 4 года назад

I’m currently 19, a drummer , have been playing for my church since I was 15/16 and now I am also a trustee in the church and I don’t get “paid”. The only form of payment I get is only $20 a month from the organ player who gets paid. Now I’m not being ungrateful because he doesn’t have to give me money, but I feel as if he could get paid then I should also get paid as well. I go to all the rehearsals, I don’t miss a Sunday at all, I go to college. I’ve been going to the church since I was a baby.

@getoffwelfareandgetajob3463 4 года назад

It depends bro on how you present yourself. If you don't consider yourself as a professional drummer or at least working to become a professional drummer then a church could pay you whatever. People who do get paid are working to become professionals and have a strong understanding of there instrument. It doesn't matter what your age is either. But you should honestly asses how much your knowledge of your instrument is worth. I get paid $200 a service playing guitar. But I have my own gear been studying guitar since 17 and still get lesson from one of the top guitarist in my area who plays with Evan Craft, Lakewood, and Davie Davies who's with Tauren Wells. But you have to solidify what is is you bring to the table and how much you should be making.

@myreek_ 3 года назад

@@BSDrumming no this is all wrong

@curtisdrummerellerbe9544 2 года назад

@@myreek_ it is. It’s a job. They should be paid

@leonpressley6882 Год назад

Hear is the answer go to your pastor and tell him to pay you what your organist did was expose you to the truth he let you in on a secret that you needed to know..so brother get paid ask him for like 300 hundred dollars per Sunday if not then every two weeks at least that should be 600 hundred each pay period that makes 1200 a month if they can't pay that amount little brother you need to find a new ministry that Will pay you 300 ...if you are good though if your just mediocre and your just holding it together sort of speak then you should get possibly less unfortunately your skill level should equal your payment so if you are a serious drummer and you are killing it and the band loves you like crazy cause you are amazing then yea it's time to get your due ...

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@TrueBlueYou Год назад

Did you know that musical education started in the church?- . The foundation of music was taught in the church, and after a short while, after country music got a hold of it and dumped it down, now Christian music can be played by individuals who have only been playing guitar for three weeks. And we can’t have horns because then that would take a horn arrangement which is usually written by someone w/theoretical music knowledge. Musicians should be paid directly from the Pastor’s salary. Maybe someday somebody will create an organization that will legally support these vital musicians that usher us into the presence of the Lord. It’s too bad that it may come to that, but as long as we have stingy preachers And pastors who live in $800,000 homes I guess somethings won’t change

@Worshiponline Год назад

Interesting perspective! Thanks for sharing your heart!

@leonpressley6882 Год назад

I also think church musicians should be paid because it helps their accountability sometimes if you are not paid then you might not show up for rehersal or you might not show up at all on Sunday you may say you know what I feel like sleeping in today and guess what theirs nothing the pastor or the music director can say ..why answer THEY ARE NOT GETTING PAID which gives each musician Freedom to play or stay home and watch TV...do you want that I don't know I think it's best to pay them because it gives each musician something to look forward too it's a reward for their service remember we are artists who put in alot of time and sacrifice to learn our craft years of practice...that's my belief

@Worshiponline Год назад

Great insight!

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@@Worshiponline No, they should not be paid. Only the Pastor or church minister is supposed to be paid. The rest, tell them to get a job or start business. They should sing and/play the instruments for the Lord, As an act of service to God. ......

@zj1086 3 года назад

Soooo if a person wants to make a career out of being a musician, if you’re condemning paying musicians in church then will you also judge that Christian musician if they’re playing on tour with artists who promote ungodly ideals with their music??? The church needs to support their own for one, secondly the church paid the architect who designed the church and they also pay the water company and the garbage company. Why do we treat musicians like they don’t deserve to be paid for their service? Contrary to popular opinion, being a musician takes hard work and dedication just like being anything else and if you think Christian musicians shouldn’t get paid at church, where should they be making their money? If you see that musician at a bar around half naked women playing, will you treat them differently and say they’re not saved?

@blessingecoma9233 3 года назад

@Z J so sad that, from your perspective, a career Christian musician can earn a living only by either being paid at church or through paid gigs from secular concerts etc...whatever happened to tutoring, gospel concerts etc. Is it possible to get income-generating ideas inspired by an active relationship with the Holy Spirit?

@leannbarker572 2 года назад

A musician should not be condemned for making a career out of music. They need to be discerning about if they are having a Godly influence however. I believe entertainment can have a Godly influence and that influence is much needed. People that think musicians should only be playing for church only if ever but than also say church musicians should not get paid are cutting off a whole industry that if done God’s way has the potential to influence our culture toward Jesus. I have noticed that many of these people that think like this are not musicians.

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@@leannbarker572 No, they should not be paid. Only the Pastor or church minister is supposed to be paid. The rest, tell them to get a job or start business. They should sing and/play the instruments for the Lord, As an act of service to God. ......

@zj1086 Год назад

@@pililani_blessings you sound ignorant. So I bet you think the construction workers that built the church should do it for free and the plumbers should do it for free. Musicians don’t only play for church but it takes work to be great and musicians should be paid for their service just like all other working professionals. Stop disrespecting musicians, being a musician IS a job and most are entrepreneurs. If you don’t like it, don’t hire them but you don’t hold the key to anyone’s success but your own.

@brianjames4169 3 месяца назад

Pleasure. Praise Jesus!! 😇

@Worshiponline 2 месяца назад

🙌🔥

@afteryou21 2 года назад

I hate the word “gig” when you’re referring to worship. When y’all say gig I think of entertainment.

@rustyshackleford9557 Год назад

This is a complicated subject. I believe praising our Creator through music is a critical requirement but I also believe having enough knowledge to witness the Gospel is at least as important. There must be a balance. Frankly if I gave most folks a test on K-Love song lyrics and a test on The Gospel, I believe most would get an "A" in K-Love lyrics and a "D" in Gospel knowledge. I dare ANY pastor to see if I am mistaken. How can we defend the gospel if we don,'t thoroughly know it?

@rustyshackleford9557 Год назад

Having good coffee, an excellent sound system and a stompin' good band but not knowing where the heck Galatia even is, is a pretty serious problem.

@Worshiponline Год назад

Great perspective! Appreciate your insight 👊

@ELW-es3ep Год назад

YES

@davidwagner5583 11 месяцев назад

I’m so glad you mentioned Austin Davis, he’s amazing!

@Worshiponline 10 месяцев назад

He’s the best!

@sseltrek1a2b 3 года назад

this whole issue is a major balancing act between "excellence" (that was the major buzzword for a while), and "servanthood/community"...

@Diamond88keyz 2 года назад

Yes

@fucu41 3 года назад

Yall know the church paid Beethoven. They paid mozart. Both lived off the money the church paid so they can compose music. These gentlemen would have never become what they become had it not been for the Church.like im sick and tired of people who manipulate the Bible to manipulate others.from a professonal and spiritual standpoint you pay your levites. It is self soothing too rationalize not paying your levites.period

@basszenmaster327 4 года назад

Sooo sad that not once in this discussion did either of the panelists bring up what the Bible says about paying musicians.

@chrisyeo2777 3 года назад

which is?

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@nbworship-seekingreverence7471 Год назад

@@pililani_blessings I am a worship leader for 12 years and yes I also agree what the bible says and as a person with a heart for God I do not take money from the church and give of my talents freely for the service of God that way my heart is never compromised when and if the money is not available because that may happen and the musicians will be triggered by this and worshipping in spirit and truth will be compromised. God always provides for us as long as we trust him and ask him. Be blessed

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@@nbworship-seekingreverence7471 Great Am glad to hear that. Continue serving the Lord with your gifts. Shalom.

@djcoolcliff 3 года назад

Yes, Yes and Yes! If I’m required to be there, teach parts, make sure the musicians straight in what they need to do and carry out a worship service, then yes that musician should be paid.

@ptdrum Год назад

This was a very good and interesting perspective of this topic. To use the pastor going out and preaching other places as an example to be paid outside of the church they pastor isn’t the best example. But also one thing that wasn’t discussed is how those musicians or sings that aren’t paid are working a 9-5 to make sure there living is covered.

@Worshiponline Год назад

Yes. There are so many perspectives on this. At the end of the day, it depends on the situation forsure.

@arethacovington147 2 года назад

I thought I was watching a comedy show..too much giggling , laughing..this is a serious matter in the church..it's become a hustle and not a heartfelt labor of love

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@user-fc9iq6le2g 10 месяцев назад

If you want to keep a good band............YES, worship members should be paid. There is no other way........NO there isnt Dont believe me...........dont pay them and watch how your worship band turns into a 1 or 2 acoustic band or dj Volunteering.......sounds great and thats how it should be, in theory BUT.......thats not reality. Its rare that people endure the demands of a band.....without pay. Young peeps usually will do it but when they get more experience.....they leave and there goes your band. Just pay them.........the laborer deserves his pay

@Worshiponline 10 месяцев назад

Thanks for your insight! 👊👊

@TimDial Год назад

It’s not where their heart is.. it’s where their family household budget is, for ensuring competent survival through testimony of talents enabled by gods grace 🙄

@Worshiponline Год назад

Appreciate your insight!!

@jumptiu 4 года назад

I see this and Im just saddened, 1) we have become SO lost, with "human" problems e.g. worry bout people's heart/skill/time given to ministry. What happened to the heart of worship, if it is even in the right place. If it is, why can't you trust your Father to provide.(e.g. thru money/etc wtv He deem fitting to our needs). 2) also the term Musician bugs me alot, because we r worship leaders FIRST.

@johnong2655 4 года назад

America wants everything being legalized, formalized and commercialized. The saddest thing is many in overseas still look up to them. We have fall short of the glory of God and His standards

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@theSimonManuel 5 лет назад

Only discovered you guys today! Subscribed to the podcast just now. Good stuff!

@brendapolo9839 2 года назад

It depends if its full time ministry or not

@shebbagreer2533 6 лет назад

if you pay a drummer, you should pay a singer too. also... why don't churches invest in that volunteer that may not be of the caliber sound yet?

@getoffwelfareandgetajob3463 4 года назад

That makes no sense. It like paying someone who volunteered to fix your car who does a crappy job.

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@CCMDrummer Год назад

I have been playing in church praise bands for 35+ years both as a volunteer and as a paid professional. I have played in all volunteer praise bands, as well as with all paid praise bands. I played in a praise band where some were paid and others were not. From personal experience, I can tell you that the idea of paying some of your musicians and not paying others is not a good idea. That experience did not work well. I definitely believe that your praise band should be either all volunteer or all paid, but not mixed. BTW, I did a video on my RU-vidr on this same subject and I am in agreement with most of the things that was said in this video.

@Worshiponline Год назад

Great insight! Appreciate you 👊

@joelmccoy1989 4 года назад

My church gave me a paid position on the worship team after a really bad job situation went down and I was just told I have to give up some of my Sundays to a volunteer. I've been playing drums for 20 years and been trying to go full time pro since I was 15. I feel really down and defeated. I was hesitant to taking this position in the first place because my wife and I have been burned pretty bad by 4 other churches before this church. I'm just a ball of emotion and don't know how to act or what to do.

@getoffwelfareandgetajob3463 4 года назад

Be a man and know that good people are just as prevelant as bad within the church and not lmake decisions based on emotions but on scripture. Take the job and work vigorously on your craft. Then you'll be Gucci👌

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@BikerEgg1 Год назад

@pililani mughogho perhaps, the job that musicians are pursuing is to be a professional musician.

@EnyaAgerholm Год назад

I would really really like to know how all these people pay their bills, like genuinely.

@JoeLozano214 5 лет назад

So the tithe in the Old Testament was to pay the priest and the Levite’s so now a days the priest aka pastor gets paid but not the Levite’s 🤔 in fact the Levite’s didn’t have rights to property because they lived in the church so the pastor should not get paid if the Levite’s are not.

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

Well said

@tomy8339 Месяц назад

What about churches that's preach "tithing" and quote Malachi? Temple musicians were also paid. Everyone in the temple was paid. So you quote Malachi and preach tithing but don't follow the scriptures, only compensating the pastors. How can you cherry pick one small portion of old covenant tithing and ignore everything else? In my opinion if you preach tithing, you should be paying the musicians.

@Worshiponline 20 дней назад

I appreciate your insight on this!

@sarahesunis5062 2 года назад

When Jesus sent out His disciples were they paid or did they have a guaranteed income for their ministry or were they called to a higher purpose to live outside of the mainstream vocations. Jesus called fishermen and carpenters to leave their vocation but they were not paid. What is the calling and has the church gone so mainstream that their is no differentiation from it. Would God be turning over the money tables in the church today?

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@theredshadow360 4 года назад

Why do we worry so much about what happens in the 4 walls? Are yall serious?! What about the people in need? Instead of convenience and lights and *cough concerts in the altar, we should first seek the wellbeing of each other as brothers and sister just like the first church of Jerusalem and worship God with our acts of love to others.

@drivventodrumm1 Год назад

Are you a worship musician?

@silence_in_my_head8951 Год назад

I paid the church for letting me play

@christopherkiyui8071 9 месяцев назад

😂

@haydn77m 6 лет назад

Love everything you guys discuss,helps me think more about all these topics! Love from Taiwan!

@Worshiponline 6 лет назад

Thank you so much!!

@vicentecamarillo4108 3 года назад

Boiiiiiiiii if your church is playing only CCM they shouldn’t get paid 😂😂 mostly of those song are only 4 chords. Gospel is where the real money is 😂

@Taylor-dl2kr 3 года назад

CCM is gospel

@chrisevanz 3 года назад

@@Taylor-dl2kr Nah. CCM = iv, I, V, IV x48 Gospel I iii, IV #IVdim, V iv biv, V biii ii bii/V etc :-)

@ntokozothuputhela6000 2 года назад

I learnt alot, thank you guys.

@Worshiponline 2 года назад

You're so welcome!

@joethebar1 2 года назад

I loathe going to church because of poor music. It’s poor because no one takes it seriously. No one takes it seriously because there’s no compensation. There’s no compensation because they suck. When I go to church, I want to hear the Word preached- I don’t want to hear mediocrity that I would never listen to on my own time

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@rustyshackleford9557 Год назад

We go to church to praise our Creator and learn the Gospel so we can spread the Gospel ( 1 Peter 3:15) We go there in-spite of the bad music We go there in-spite of the gossipy people We go there in-spite of the bad coffee We go there in-spite of the lousy air conditioning We go there in-spite of bad parking We go there because we love our Lord and we want to serve Him. Not to be entertained Not for the 100% fresh Arabica coffee Not to just feel good Not because we get free child care

@jamesdacus7367 6 лет назад

i didn't hear it mentioned but it is biblical that musicians and singers to be paid, for all the people that want to say its just a millennial mindset of entitlement. great video!

@steffengastineau303 6 лет назад

1 Chronicles 9:33 says they were given place to live and exempt from field work because they were on duty day and night.

@jamesdacus7367 6 лет назад

"And these are the singers, chief of the fathers of the Levites, who remaining in the chambers were free: for they were employed in that work day and night." thats the exact words in the KJV. and this is only once it was mentioned.

@steffengastineau303 6 лет назад

james dacus how many times does something have to be said in the bible for it to be true?

@jamesdacus7367 6 лет назад

ONCE the word of God is The Bible and The Word Of God is Truth.

@orlandomorales5423 6 лет назад

If wanting to be paid for your work is entitlement then call me entitled,musicians gotta eat too. If a church wants to have professional musicians playing in the service, they should expect to provide a fair wage. They wouldn't ask any other professional to come and do work for free so why are musicians different?

@rustyshackleford9557 Год назад

If a church has to have a huge K-Love cover band, fancy coffee and cushy pews and a P. A. so big it scares Baal then they might want to recognize that they are more of a Christian Amusement Park than a " church" and that's ok. But if they want to be a church, part of their duty goes beyond entertaining folks and providing free coffee and day care. We are commanded to spread the Gospel and that requires more than just knowing the lyrics to every K-love tune. Be honest, how many members of most churches are equipped to go forth and spread the Gospel? And to defend it (1 Peter 3:15) I dare any sing a long get together assembly to give a short pop quiz to determine whether their congregation has the knowledge to do what Jesus commanded of us all. Then ask yourself how many wells in Africa could we build for the price of that in-ear monitor system? How many outreaches could we help if we used a 299$ Yamaha guitar instead of a 2300$ Taylor ( ouch) the list goes on..."giving your best to the Lord " doesn't, really mean buying the priciest gear. End of sermon 🙏🤔

@thrufaithalone 5 лет назад

No. Anything you do for the church should be voluntary and free. Freely you have received. Freely give. It's the church; we're supposed to give of ourselves. Was a time all churches had was a piano or organ. Enough.

@marchellepeters3803 4 года назад

Pastors should also not be paid right.

@getoffwelfareandgetajob3463 4 года назад

This is unbiblical and coming from a place of narcissism. Numbers 18:21 states that the Levites were to be paid for the work they do under the sacred tent.

@samstallard6059 3 года назад

And we shouldn’t pay the church utilities, the contractors who build/repair the church, or gas for the busses right because all of those commodities should be given? 1 Timothy 5:18

@drivventodrumm1 Год назад

Are you a church musician?

@pililani_blessings Год назад

@Worshiponline Год назад

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

@jeremiahmeraz9298 Год назад

I don’t think so. You are helping create the ambiance of the service. If you don’t want to do that, then don’t and just sit in the pews like the other people.

@Worshiponline Год назад

Appreciate your insight!

@robertholley2195 2 года назад

Be careful mis _ applying the Bible to back up an opinion.

@timm9981 11 месяцев назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 It's hilarious to me that there are people out there who think they are going to walk all over a professional musician and not pay them. Living in la-la land must be nice.

@Worshiponline 10 месяцев назад

Interesting perspective!

@tjealmer365 5 лет назад

The answer to this controversial question is found in the Bible... Just have to ask yourself is it Biblical..? #Thatisall

@frederickhunter4649 9 месяцев назад

The bible doesn't show anywhere were some one got paid, david was a chief musician that was his offering, he gave,the problem with a lot of these church musicians,they have no spiritual interest in worship or salvation .some of them act like pimps, don't take my word for it just watch for yourself. Watch what they do when the church is picking up tithes and offerings, they look the other way, after they are done playing their music they get their money and they bounce 😮

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

Yes, it does. It was established in the Old Testament with the Levites being given the tithes of the Israelites as their inheritance since they were allotted no land. Read Numbers 18 for starters, and the Apostle Paul talked about the right to receive pay for work in 1 Corinthians 9.

@frederickhunter4649 8 месяцев назад

@@GatorTexokay 1cor 9 is good less unpack this,first paul was a servant just like I said he deserved to get paid. hewas saved he served in many capacities where was the musician?in1cor9? Music is good, but a church can not operate without a preacher,or servant. but it can with out a musician.the bible says how can we hear with out one ,it doesn't say without a musician, yeah I agree if you are bringing a non servant of christ to play music he should get paid because you are hiring him, and you won't expect nothing extra from them,like worship, paying tithes and offerings etc they get there hustle money and they bounce, just like if you was calling for a plumber or electrician they are not required to be saved you can't compare Paul a servant to these people, read 1cor9 over, that's why a lot of times the music sounds dead because anybody is allowed to play no anointing, pay servants toplay not hustlers and pimps ,the question is if God has no respect of persons, shouldn't that mean every person that shows up for church get paid from the usher on down,do you just wash one hand and not the other

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

@@frederickhunter4649 If you follow what was established in the Tabernacle and how it was to operate to today’s standard across many (not all) churches, you’d find the workers (musicians) out in the fields trying to earn a living instead of taking care of God’s House because they weren’t being provided for. (Nehemiah 13:10-14) Like Paul, God’s workers have higher standards to live by. Let’s do better taking care of His people that make His house magnificent.

@frederickhunter4649 8 месяцев назад

@@GatorTex in today's standard that's were a musician should be out in the field bussing his behind .the church is not an employment agency the bible says if a man don't work he does not eat, a job allows him to bring his tithes an offering, I have seen many musician won't put one dime into the plate,like I said before if God has no respect of persons, then pay every one that contributes.we have a food pantry in our church that operates 3 times a week, the people that help are volunteers, some even leave offerings,they are not asked to do so,these are the real servants never will you find a musician coming to help out,why?? some people only follow christ for the fish and the loaves,I was a musician in Germany and several states I felt that God doesn't need to pay me worship him he said my reward is in heaven. That's why the church is getting so secular, sacrificing is a thing of the past, there are times to bless people, that's why a lot of these musicians act so pompous they think the church can't function with out them ,if you don't have a musician do like the bible says, make a joyful noise Also read amos 5:23 and see what God thinks about music that's not clean an Holy

@GatorTex 8 месяцев назад

@@frederickhunter4649 So, if you don't want to pay the workers in the church, be my guest; however, don't come demanding a higher standard of them when they're "bussing their behinds" in the field trying to put food on their table from 9-5. What a double standard! Play tracks at that point! There are many musicians who love Jesus and serve Him with all their heart in the church! You've never seen one? Are we seriously roping all of them in with an Amos rebuke to Israel for turning away from God? Wow! "For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.” - 1 Timothy 5:18

@johnong2655 4 года назад

All wrong, deceit and greed. Do you need to worship with skills and a full band? Do you need to pay just so that the professional musicians don't quit the ministry and leave the church?

@myreek_ 3 года назад

Yes because the Bible says in psalms 33:3 sing unto him a new song and play skillfully with a loud noise

@pililani_blessings Год назад