I think our offense is based on timing because our oline cannot hold onto blocks longer than 2 seconds. I think if you gave Tua the Bills or Ravens O line and he doesn’t have to rush throws or our receivers don’t have to IMMEDIATELY get open on a route then we would have more success at the end of the year. The blueprint is out on us - send 4 or 5 guys, jam our receivers, keep linebackers back in middle of field and know that the pass rush will get there in 3 seconds or Tua will force a throw so he doesn’t take hits. He was definitely told not to take hits and that’s why I think we saw him scramble less but not because he can’t do it. He did it at Alabama and he did it the first two years in the league. Most if not all of his injuries came from trying to extend plays.
We have not built a solid line for any QB in 20 years it's always put togather with paper and bubble gum season after season. People asked Grier if he was going to bolster the line he said no we have a good line . Same crap every year
💯 why don’t other people notice that the hero ball qb stuff people seem to love takes time-whether due to stellar blocking, rollouts, scrambling around letting receivers get truly open, etc. clearly the dolphins decided tua was going to avoid potentially career ending hits this year by getting the ball out faster than any other team in the league. He did that very well and they had a lot of success with it. But there were a couple of occasions where hanging onto the ball for a bit longer would have made a difference in the season. And what’s sad is our oline seems likely to lose its best players and somehow get weaker.
Not sure what the nfl had to with it. But your central premise, the dolphins forcing him to dump the ball faster than anyone in the nfl had some negative consequences, is indisputable. An elite oline should be the goal.
@@kellypatterson6425I believe the nfl passed word on to the dolphins let’s keep him upright because of image for the league. It seemed designed and deliberate for tua to get the ball out quickly plus his added weight to absorb the hits. The O Line seemed to take it personally to make sure he was protected to avoid clean hits as well. Mission accomplished and tua showed what he can do with the new adjustments
@@RLdolphins i think the dolphins were interested in keeping tua upright on their own, don’t you? Similarly I think the dolphins oline didn’t need any particular corporate conspiracy to protect their QB as best they could. That’s kind of the job. Moreover, the fact that the oline was weak was the reason tua had to ditch the ball faster than other qb in the NFL. I don’t think that was the nfl’s doing. I think we need better offensive linemen.
@@kellypatterson6425 since it’s a 18 billion dollar a year industry I believe some things are scripted. My comment about the Oline wasn’t from a league mandate it was the traumatic view of seeing tua on the turf in Cincinnati . I agree with you we need a big and bad oline
Marisa's take on MM is spot on. He outsmarts himself at times. We led the league in rushing yet threw it on 3 & 1. To everyone else's point on coaching styles, is Andy Reid not a tough love coach? Is Mike Tomlin not a tough love coach? It still works in today's NFL. Players sometimes need to suck it up & play.
I think Poup doesn’t give the weight of responsibility that the “4 injured players” that Omar references offered. Particularly Hill and Waddle because the scheme that hid the OLine deficiencies (watered down further with backups) was exposed with Hill and Waddle being less than.
@@joec8942 that's one theory. Does it stand up to scrutiny. Provide your evidence that reconciles the confliction between OLines performance and Waddle/Hill with their effects seperate of one another to Tua's deficiencies.
Great show What's up Big E it's AJ from NJ I was hanging with you HALL of Fame Weekend had a great time. Marisa is so right every time it was third or fourth and short McDaniel is running bubble screens or some stupid play that we would lose yardage did it last year vs Bills in the playoff game 3rd and 1 he runs a TE screen lost 3 yards up by 5 with 6 min left and had to punt and end up losing. Not to mention we have a pro bowl FB !!
Patrick Mahomes was playing last year in the Super Bowl with a high ankle sprain. He was hobbling around and mounted his team to a comeback victory. If they’re playing, “injuries are no excuse!
They also looked worst most of that game. No excuse but it does water down the production. Doesn't matter how you or poup feel about it. I played vs Tebow in college and my ankle was literally held together by tape and I struggled, the next week I was mostly (with some help) healthy I had one of the best games of my career. INJURIES MATTER!
As I watched this video every point or opinion that I make in my mind, Marissa happens to speak it on the show at the SAME TIME 😆👌 I love it you have a realistic mind and very accurate with tons of reasonable opinions🤙🙌🏻
When I saw we interviewed weaver, I instantly knew he was the guy. Just a feeling, probably cause he looks like a Baltimore raven through and through and that’s what our defense needs, that raven toughness.
31:55 LMAO!!! Thank you 38:43..... I can't agree with you, there. The throw was near perfect. There are literally a throw a game in every game that is a pick if a DB turns around in the NFL (or it could go right past their ear hole, Noah). It were others that were thrown perfectly this season that was dropped and another that was just tipped away. That's not a throw that is CONSISTENTLY thrown perfect by other QBs. We literally watched 7 years of Tannehill struggle with outside fade routes.
@@mroverdose14no one cares about leading the league in passing. In the MVP conversation in the beginning of the year for 2 years but by the end of the season he's not even discussed. you want a lead leader in passing or you want a Super Bowl? do you want to win a playoff game? Or u just care about his STATS. THAT MEANS NOTHING, look at the games that HE directly contributed to losing y'all ignore that and that's y'all probably
@@rockafellagold 3 of the last 4 Superbowls have been won by a single team. You have to create more than a strong QB/passing game to win a chip. Mahomes wasn't even good last night and they won off the back of defense and special teams.
When people attribute the Raven’s good defense to Anthony Weaver, I feel the same feeling I got when people attributed Peyton Manning’s success to Adam Gase. Weaver was the D line coach in Mike McDonald’s system!
@@Michael_Scarn556 my point exactly. Now they’re signing this dude’s praises bc he was the Dline coach for a good Ravens defense. That’s like Gase getting credit for working with Peyton Manning. Manning had been in the league for 10+ years. He was the OC!
To Big Es point. Mcdaniel is trying to build a culture of bringing in coaches that are similar in him great teachers/players coach. It's a culture thing
Growth foe Mike Mcdaniel is simple for me. Get your play calls in faster or give up play calling. There is a huge difference in outcomes in plays when the calls come in quickly. The time before snap in the beginning of the season vs the end are a large volume of time.
The funny thing is, there’s ALWAYS a generational gap between coaches and players. In the 80s, you don’t thing there were coaches that “were from a different time” than the players they coached. That one guy on this podcast said that Fangio’s style of coaching doesn’t work for these guys in their 20s. Whether it’s the 1980s or it’s the 2020s, players are in their 20s and coaches are not. McDaniel’ “buddy buddy” style doesn’t work either! I think Fangio was right, he needed the right guys. And we’re about to find out if Fangio’s style still works with “today’s players” when he flies to the Eagles. I’m already waiting on the excuses from Dolphins fans. Thanks for your objective take Poupart.
@Omar a very good one for this series would be a fan called broshmo and Barry Cunningham. Both have very good personalities for this type of conversation and they know stuff about the team with a unique perspective.
Big E want to throw away our resources for the future, to gamble on next season. One playoff win would have been good. I'm not one to give a pass and say our goal is the same next year. SB or Clean house!
I believe that if a team has too many injuries, we need to really understand why, it's not just the game that we know is hard and physical, this answer is too simple, there is something wrong in the preparation and in the athletic training staff. I say this because this has happened to my basketball team here in Italy for years and once the staff changed the situation changed dramatically for the better and now our injuries are on average compared to other teams.
@ghstfce you must be stupid his air yards per attempt were second at 8.3yards only Brock purdy had more. go hate the team for another factor but not air yards. Josh allen 7.4 and Herbert alot worse at 6.9 (drinking and dunking)
You can 100% put some of that injury blame on Grier. Teams avoid injury prone players because they know they can’t rely on them. Grier openly said, he doesn’t care about injury history. Wynn, Armstead, Chubb, etc - he brings in some great players, but they pay them a ton of money and they can’t contribute from the couch.
If we only lost those three then fine......but X, Ramesy, Hunt, Connor, Hill, Waddle, Baker, Philipps, AVG, Holland, etc. That's not all on Grier. Some of these players have NEVER been hurt before in their lives!
@@mroverdose14 agreed, injuries happen. It’s not ALL on him or anyone in the org. But this team has dealt with a LOT of injures year after year, so at some point he needs to start doing whatever he can to increase the odds the team stays healthy. So if I was him, I wouldn’t be taking fliers on ANY more FAs with significant injury history.
I agree a more traditional downhill run game has to be part of the offense, I'm not blaming play calling too much tho, in an NFL season, you run at least 1100 plays, it's not realistic to expect your play caller to come up with new plays every week, and that's my main knock on McDaniel. It feels like he's always trying to come up with new material when sometimes keeping it simple is the best way to go. Marisa is right about focusing on the fundamental principles of running an offense, I don't think your identity can be to outscheme the opponent week in and week out. This offense was based on deception, timing and speed. Nothing wrong with slowing it down a little and getting back to basics. I do think Tua limits some of the drop back passing game that you can run, so it's more of a run game fix so we can use Tua's strengths which is off of play action and the quick passing game. The most disappointing thing was that we did have a better roster than the Bills this year, and alot of other teams, to fall flat was very deflating. Certain contracts you can kick down the road with not too many long term ramifications, but the qb contract you can't avoid, if we guarantee Tua big money and it fails, this team is screwed for the next 3-5 years, barring us finding the next Brock Purdy, there's no way to fix that cap hit.
I agree with Marisa. Joking after losing and going on an end-of-season slide, is not becoming of a good head coach. Even in the end-of-season presser, he was joking about the reporter being Tua’s agent. The way their season turned out, you’re one season away from being fired, and you’re joking?? He’s not gonna last. I’d rather him be that jokester at the dinner table after a win
@@mroverdose14 I’m not saying he should be someone else but there is a sucky thing is having a game face on. It’s a time to be serious and there a time to joke. A press conference after getting your ass kicked is not the time or place to joke. That sends a message that you’re not taking this seriously. How would you feel if you walking into your investment banker’s office and he’s joking with you after he lost your life savings in bad investments? At least he’s being himself. What about if your doctor gave you a diagnosis of a terminal illness and then he starts joking? At least he’s being himself, right?
@@josephbell7648 That's only half the story. Magic Mike has also saved this team and put us on the map. By the way what you are doing is projecting which is putting your expectations on how a person should act based on your belief system which is a common issue for people. You basically saying that his response is wrong and should respond how you feel is correct. In my culture we celebrate and clown on a person after death. It's how we celebrate their life by living that day as if he was still there. I have got poor news before with a doctor and they will still joke with me, and it actually lessens the blow so I rather them infuse humor in that situation.
@@mroverdose14 dude. You’re a damn lie. I’m sorry. You say that just to save face and not acknowledge that my point is valid. Hearing that you have a torn ACL is hardly what I mean. You busy trying to “win” this argument and you’re talking nonsense. Of course people joke when remembering the great things about the deceased. That’s not even the same things as what I’m asking. A better comparison is the investment banker situation which you stayed away from, bc you get but you’re just trying to win the argument and stand on your point. I’m not gonna get anywhere with you bc you’re just trying to defend McDaniel and this team. But as a former player, you wouldn’t go to a press conference, joking after a loss where you got your ass kicked, or one that had significant ramifications, nor would you respect a player, or coach that did such. If you say you welcome that behavior from a coach you play for, I question a lot of things about you. Did you see Devante Adams interviews after their losses?? How do you think he (and the locker room). Would feel if Josh McDaniels was at the press conference cracking jokes?? He already wanted to strangle the dude! It’s not a good look! I don’t care how you try to project your belief system into this situation. Beyond that, I don’t believe you! I think you’re saying whatever is convenient to save your argument.
@@mroverdose14 as for your injury against Tebow. There’s a lot of context missing there because you chose to include irrelevant information in an effort to impress me. You said that you had an ankle injury while playing against Tebow, but I’m left without knowing or if you sustained that injury during that particular game, had it been weeks since the injury? These things matter. The guys you say were injured on our team, they were weeks (2 or 3) removed from their injuries in which they’ve rested them. Know I understand a thing or two about injuries as I am a certified athletic trainer and has worked with D1 athletes for years. I know the time they rested, they weren’t fully healthy but they actually rested! Mahomes played for weeks straight on the high ankle sprain and reinjured it every week (actually I think they let Henne play one week). Nevertheless, our players werent falling apart as you suggest you were. They were mostly healthy. Are you telling me that you’ve only played 100% healthy in your entire career, except for that one time playing against Tebow??
If Tua can be a top 5 statistical QB for 6 more years and consistently put the Dolphins in the playoffs, I’d take that every year. Peyton Manning started 0-3 in the playoffs, won his first ring in his 8th season. Struggled in the cold, struggled in big games. Drew Brees had a 1-2 playoff record in his first 7 years, won a ring in his 8th. Remember when the 49ers traded a bunch to draft a young stud who… is now Dak Prescott’s backup 😅 Grass isn’t always greener. Being in contention >
If we talk about stats we gotta break em down by game, who they played and what did he do against good defenses? What were stats against the playoffs teams? We're alot of em piled up against bad teams? How many forced throws or underthrown plays were there, what are the stats in clutch time,if we just go off of total stats they need to be broken down individually by game
Then you need to brake down the injuries was the oline wrs running backs healthy for each game and was the said good defense healthy they where playing against you can brake everything down for months and you could still keep going deeper jets had a top defense Tua played well in both them games but gets 0 credit because the jets offense sucks
@@lorenpotaczek125 seriously are u talking about the jets defeated ass team that knew they were going nowhere?!? And everyone has injuries and the top quarterbacks make up for it, I'm not even saying to a trash. I'm not saying that he's not good. I'm just saying as a dolphins fan for my whole life who wants to see some postseasoning success. What I've seen so far it ain't going to cut it
Our oline cannot PUSH. That is why they cannot run in short yardage. Not hard to figure out. Doesn’t help that the QB is not any part of the equation as a short yardage option.
We can't run in short yards, because the o line can't win if the defense knows we're running. We're just not good enough on o line. We ran when they had to defend the pass
Dolphins are not going to be able to keep the nucleus of this roster. Then you bring in a new DC and staff. Team goes backwards. You realize that Chubb and Phillips will not be ready for the beginning of the season. Who knows what they will play like? It's really difficult to expect a great season.
I wonder if Keenan Allen is ever wide open ? Was jerey rice wide open ? Was tyreek wide open for mahomes? How about Gronk fie Brady?? Na ,no way ,only Tua thriws to wide open receicers , lmao.
He was ran out of town because he couldn't get along with players staff and coaches TUA Xavien Howard Phillips Grier he hadn't even talked to anyone on his staff by the end of the season name me one Good coach That Flo brought to Miami the OC was just a small part
Omar, your job is to question the team actions and state the situation. Grier, McDaniel and Ross's job is to make it work, and prove you wrong. If you are not, it is going to be a miserable season.
Yards per carry doesn’t mean anything if you don’t match that with number of attempts. If you get 6 YPC but you only run the ball 5 times, you’re getting 30 yards. That’s exactly what killed Baltimore against KC. They got it in their heads that needed to win the game with Lamar’s arms and just didn’t run the ball, even though they averaged like 7 YPC with their RBs
First time comment but subscribed I believe during training camp. Two topics that caught my eye. 1. Rating McDaniel. Imo as a coach A+. Phenomenal teacher/coach of Xs & Os as #6? offense i believe and 2nd yr #1. However as a manager side I think he’s C. Play calling, game mangement and staffing. 2. Tua. I disagree with you all. I say extend him now 4-5 years. 180-220mil. And by extending him now you can reduce his cap hit this year and next. I believe Ross/Grier/Mike are all in on tua and will extend him
Tua being “in the MVP conversation “ was not real. Tua isn’t the MVP of this team, let alone the league. If he were, he’d make plays to players like Cedric Wilson ALL the time! He doesn’t. It’s mostly Tyreek bc he GOES and gets Tua’s passes and he’s a playmaker so he has the YAC. He accounted for nearly half of Tua’s passing yards. Come on
I AM SICK of fans saying we need a new coach, what coach?! You want to be back on the coaching carousel? We haven't had this kind of success since Shula. Keep working out the kinks, and let's go. PHNSUP!
Alain, Marisa makes a great point about Tua being our best option. What do you suggest? Trade for one, Promote from within, Sign a free agent, Draft one in the first round? Your point is great for conversation, buy it lacks relevance, if it is not accompanied with an alternative.
For someone who always uses the “excuses” excuse, Alain sure likes to bring up his “reasons” for anything good Tua accomplishes. Literally every time it’s, “well Tua was able to blank blank blank.” Alain - “Well that’s because this other guy or that guy did something wrong.”
We had a good enough defense to compete for a super bowl but offence let us down. Had we won a super bowl does anyone really think the players would be whining over how "tough" Vic was? He was the one coordinator that actually did his job. Hope Weaver has a good supply of sippy cups and juice boxes for those babies.
I agree with Marissa 💯 referring to McDaniel after losses. I don't think he holds the players accountable when they make mistakes hense all the soft like charman players on our team. IDC you MUST raise your voice & yell when needed!
Would we rather go 10-7 or 11-6 the next few years and not do anything in the playoffs with Tua therefore end up with a pick in the 20s and can't select a franchise QB or would we rather suck for a few years and draft high enough to pick a franchise QB? Even if we don't get a top 3 pick, at least we will be in position to move up easier by not having to give up a crazy haul to draft our franchise QB.. I would rather suck and then draft our guy rather than being just good enough to make the playoffs but then get bounced in the first round in some cold weather city..
BOY! Marisa annoyed me on the onset. I think it's more because she didn't articulate herself as she wants a more "PHYSCIAL" run game that can bully people around. The brand of rushing needs to be multi-faceted. Keep the outside zone but, we have to be more effective with inside zone and man-power runs (though, my rebuttal to this is; it's hard to do that with your 7th, 8th, and 9th Offensive lineman on the field as STARTERS). Yes, I agree Magic mike needs to commit which can be a double edge sword, when you just don't have the horses. As a former coach that had some high-level players and went to a location without the player-driven talent, you are handcuffed and can only hope to develop young guys (which means they are not currently ready). I don't think she understands WHY magic mike was supplementing his offense with screen plays, which was because the line's injuries, condition (in the playoff game), force-feeding the ball into players hands that defenses were trying to take away otherwise. Miami fixes these issues with improved HEALTH (Training staff/Player preparation/Luck), a 3rd weapon in the passing game that demands coverage recognition (Grier), and continued development of players without regression (Magic Mike). Sorry for the essay but, if I read y'all stuff, you damn sure should read mine, lol!
I agree this team needs toughness, and I think that’s why you get a guy like weaver. I don’t think fangio is inspiring toughness. Fangio is a my way or the high way guy, not a get in the middle of the players in a circle and get them fucking hyped to go make a tackle on a critical 3rd down. I think weaver CAN be that guy.
Should keep some sort of consistency,at keast try to keep the coach,if the coach is consistently good they last longer than the quarterbacks look at Mike Tomlin, and I would love to have a coach like Mike Thomas for that long
Dolphins could rack up yards running in passing situations. They could not get the short yards in bloody snow at the end of the year that distinguishes championship teams. That’s the oline. Achane’s exciting open field abilities are irrelevant on 3rd and short and 4th and short. McDaniel knows this as well as anybody. We don’t have the muscle up front that the 49ers have, for example.
Is it not a true statement that the Majority of players, perform better in contract years? Lets compare our players stats after getting there $... There are exceptions, I believe Wilkins performs no matter what. Gink falls into that category as well.
People need to get off the Lamar band wagon,the ravens are never going to win with him at quarterback.if you want proof,the ravens have maybe the best roster in the league,and they will be watching the super bowl on TV just like me.
Poop’s bias toward Tua is getting really annoying…real turn off for this show. I understand hub g doubts, it’s warranted but dude routinely dismisses things Tua did well as if any QB could have done that, it’s simply subjective vs. objective analysis.
