Episode 26 - Honda ADV 350 maintenance (also Honda PCX etc). Stop clutch judder, noise & vibration

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I was sick of the random clutch judder and the noises associated with debris so I decided to take the thing apart and clean the clutch & variator. I did buy some lighter variator weights but they were too tight in their channels so I didn't replace them, I kept the original ones which I believe are 22.5g.
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@searcherfor9 28 дней назад

My bike had the same problem, also done 7000 kms, i stripped it yesterday and cleaned all the dirt out and like yours fine now and as a coincidence i had bought the same power tool as you! I'm also in Thailand.

@Vortecks 25 дней назад

My life is one coincidence mate 🤣 I had to change the bell housing the other day because it went bad again. I found a genuine Honda housing (it was for a Forza 350) on Shopee for 650 + 100 delivery. I also fitted some 18g weights and the mid-range response and acceleration is incredible now, it's something to play around with until you're happy.

@krisspiteri9865 14 дней назад

Well done 👍

@EnglishTurbines Месяц назад

A build up of clutch lining material as the clutch beds in...Now its bedded in, dust build should be slower....I was surprised the little impact gun worked TBH....Take care Tony M8....😏😀👍🇬🇧

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Cheers buddy, I hope the UK isn't as bad as the things I've seen recently. The bell housing is f***** mate, it finally went really bad the other day. I took it to Honda and they said that it's normal but then they admitted that Honda worldwide cannot admit to a manufacturing defect because of repercussions. They said that it's a very widespread problem and they told me to buy a new housing (which cost me £14 delivered). They offered to fit it for me but I did it myself. The new housing is fitted and it's back to how it was when I bought it. It looks like the bell housing is a consumable part and it should be replaced at around 8,000km (5,000 miles) along with the friction shoes and possibly the variator - total cost is around £45 which is acceptable.

@EnglishTurbines Месяц назад

@@Vortecks Well, at least it's cheap. It's a design defect. Insufficient centrifugal pressure as the clutch takes up the drive and slips....Basically, it's too small in diameter or the bob weight springs are too strong....I used to design machinery....lol....🤔😏😏🇬🇧

@dc3763 18 дней назад

Oh boy, that clutch bell is toasted.. sometimes when bell got this much overheated it can warp, and cause more problems with the clutch.. Second clue that the cvt system is overheating is black residue from the belt on the variator. CVT cover has some filter on it, if you use the bike on a dusty road, you should inspect that filter more often, to provide enough cooling in the cvt... For parts cleaning you can use brake cleaner to make it a bit easier ... Cheers! :)

@Vortecks 15 дней назад

Cheers buddy, I appreciate the input. Yes, it's totally toast but I really don't know why, it's only done 7,000km and it hasn't really been abused, just average riding. I never took it to the Honda dealer because I've read countless reports saying that this is normal wear and tear and the bell housing is a consumable item.

@dc3763 15 дней назад

@@Vortecks Did you inspect the foam filter in the CVT cover ( it is in the first plastic cover with 4 bolts which you remove on top of the CVT case, serial no 19414-K1B-T00) ? For example, if you ride the scooter on a gravel for 7 days, that filter will be shut with the dust, and overheat the CVT immediately.. When you removed your air filter, it didn't look good either.. You should clean your CVT filter weekly, or replace it with more breathable custom made, or remove it completely... Good luck :)

@andrewnorris5415 Месяц назад

Well done! Sometimes a bit of scaffolding pole can help get bolts undone.

@Vortecks Месяц назад

It wasn't a case of torque limitation but an inability to lock things against the torque - 10 years ago, this wouldn't have been a problem but now that we're in an era of impact guns, it is.

@rrea4686 Месяц назад

Very informative, well done!

@g1fsh Месяц назад

Well done mate nice job.

@Vortecks Месяц назад

In a future video, I'll eat humble pie and explain why I ended up replacing the bell housing :(

@daved4547 Месяц назад

Tony, for the 'dust' use tinned air, followed by 'gunk' cleaning spray. That said, *altern8tive* has covered what is wrong. 😕 Stay happy and free (we're not back here 🙄) 😎🖖

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Tinned air over here is pretty asthmatic mate, I tried it. Gunk is something that isn't used because kerosene or petrol does the same job - things that aren't used, aren't generally sold and Thai people are VERY resourceful. In the UK, there's a different chemical for every need but over here, it's whatever is available - WD40 switch cleaner has many purposes because it's readily available and it works. The western world would be lost if half of the manufacturers suddenly disappeared but over here, we wouldn't notice a difference - this is like the 80's where we used common sense and whatever was available 😁👍

@Mikeecoman Месяц назад

Nice work, shame you don't have a little shed/ carport to be your mini workshop ! But never stop these types of vidsTony- the trips are great n all - but these are the jewels !

@Vortecks Месяц назад

I have access to a massive workshop mate but it's not equipped with tools that I specifically need. In the next ADV video, I'll eat humble pie and explain why I had to change the bell housing.

@smartazz Месяц назад

Fixed it good job

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Not really mate, it got really bad a few days later and I ended up replacing it. I think I wiped the newness off it by mistake.

@williamwilliams8145 Месяц назад

When fixing a scooter or anything at the side of the road in Thailand you are meant to do the Thai crouch. Unfortunately most farangs are to fat and end up falling over.

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Luckily, I haven't needed to do any repairs at the roadside so I haven't needed to do the Thai crouch but I know what you mean ;)

@kimkyoungtae9817 13 дней назад

Defective clutch shoe of adv350. Forza350 which uses the same parts as this model also has the same symptoms.

@Vortecks 6 дней назад

You're the second one to point this out, thank you!

@pugman1543 Месяц назад

hey bud ,you did have the wrong undys on ,but it worked out . good on you

@Vortecks Месяц назад

I was also wearing trainer socks to stop being bitten on the ankles. In hindsight, I think these were the wrong colour :(

@ChrisStockwell-q3p Месяц назад

perfect. I have the same scoot and will tell u that u gotta do this, including the air filter replacement, every 3 - 5000km max. Or ur local Honda guy will do it all for about B600 :-) cant beat that. good vid m8

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Cheers buddy, I appreciate that. I ended up replacing the bell housing the other day because it got so bad. When I did this video, I ordered an OEM one because I knew it wasn't right. I've never owned a scooter so I've got a lot to learn but now I've dismantled it and I know how things work, maintenance should be easy. I also changed the weights for some 19g ones and it's completely transformed it - the acceleration is amazing now but the top-end is reduced by 10-15kmh (which I'm not bothered about). It should also reduce the heat on the clutch because the RPM has increased, reducing friction.

@johnmcsheehy2844 Месяц назад

Ah.. you're sharp as a tack good prognosis ....your sorted. Good vid for many people to follow and remember...well done! Your 99% was correct...was enjoyable

@Vortecks Месяц назад

When I looked at the bell housing and how blue it was, I suspected that it was warped and I ordered a new one in case. I decided to clean it up first but I did have to change it the other day when it got really bad.

@kosten 5 дней назад

I don’t know how many km you drove after this maintenance. I did the same, helped just for next 150 km

@Vortecks День назад

It was probably around 150km before it went wrong again. I ended up changing the bell housing but it seems like it's happening again. Someone (he says he's a mechanic) said to clean and grease the friction shoe pivots which I'm going to do very shortly.

@kosten День назад

I have replaced the clutch bell with one from Malossi. 70 km still running smoothly. My adv is 13000 km old, but this juddering follows me from 1000 km

@Vortecks День назад

@@kosten My question to you is....... The Malossi clutches are quite expensive, do you think it is worth the price? I've been thinking about the Malossi kit for a while now but I don't know anyone who has actually fitted one.

@kosten День назад

@@Vortecks actually, if the clutch kit will solve the problem, I’m ready to replace the clutch too. Many mechanics say the source of the problem is the variator dish. But the aftermarket variators are technically the same devices. J.Costa is a little bit different, but I saw the reviews with negative feedbacks

@altern8tive Месяц назад

Bell housing looks like it's severely overheated - temperature discoloration. If it's warped it may cause premature wear or damage to the clutch and if warped possible return of the juddering maybe

@daved4547 Месяц назад

I can't decide if I love or hate it when someone beats me to it. 🤔🙄 😎🖖

@EnglishTurbines Месяц назад

Blue colour is an indicator of temperature. It's not severely overheated. The clutch bell will get hot, it's normal...😏🇬🇧

@altern8tive Месяц назад

@@daved4547sorry 👊

@altern8tive Месяц назад

@@EnglishTurbinesbut maybe not for the distance this bike has done. Clutch slip after 20-30,000 km seems more applicable, or possibly it's the hapazzard stop/go environment of the local roads 🤷‍♂️

@EnglishTurbines Месяц назад

@@altern8tive All clutches have an element of slip. This is what makes them heat up. The Clutch bell is fairly low mass, lightweight which is why it is showing the telltale blue colour. Blue isn't very hot, as I said before....😳🇬🇧

@philglover2973 Месяц назад

Well done Tony good job and your looking happy 😁😁😁😁 thanks for the video 😊

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Cheers Phil and yes, I'm happy when I'm here mate 😁👍

@riceandpeas123 Месяц назад

TONY 👍 your sure it wernt your arris ? 😂

@Vortecks Месяц назад

It could have been, I'm not really sure of anything anymore mate 🤣

@kimkyoungtae9817 13 дней назад

Unfortunately, Honda is well aware of this problem, but they seem to have absolutely no intention of improving it. Many adv 350 users are using other parts due to this problem.

@Vortecks 6 дней назад

I think I'll investigate further into what other parts I can use. I know Malossi make a superb alternative but they're rather expensive over here.

@johnmcsheehy2844 Месяц назад

Hi...I saw a video of this a few weeks ago as you it's in my list of potential purchases... and a guy done a video of it and he cleaned out all the gubbins from that casing after striping down. Wallah...it fixed his too l dont know what it is but from some wear in that casing...I will try find it.

@Vortecks Месяц назад

Thanks, John. Sadly, the vibration is back and Honda have said that it's normal and I have to ride it harder to stop it juddering on acceleration. I've bought a new clutch bell for £18 so we'll see if it fixes it. Not happy after 3,700 miles but I knew there was a problem by the blue colouring - it's a sign that it's warped.

@johnmcsheehy2844 Месяц назад

Yes, I saw the blueing that doesn't look right. I saw vid guy doing it and 2 yrs old. I emailed link. It is also under Honda warranty still, that's hopefully be covered. Worth a try. But you are same me I would want to get to bottom of it. Tho only done bike strip downs...the drive belts ..auto...all new to me. I would still push Honda under warranty as not old at all and low klm.🤔

@ΠάρηςΚούρτογλου-π5η 2 дня назад

Φίλε, τι λάδι βάζησ στο συμπλέκτη??

@Vortecks День назад

Χωρίς λάδι. Υπάρχει μια μικρή ποσότητα λίπους στα σημεία περιστροφής στα παπούτσια του συμπλέκτη, αλλά αυτό είναι όλο.

@-_Robert_- Месяц назад

Can't see what is model of your !red! Makita. DTW?

@Vortecks Месяц назад

As you've probably already gathered, it's a DTW190 but it's definitely fake.

@-_Robert_- Месяц назад

@@Vortecks I didn't so nice you replied. Some time ago I bought me DTW152...and it was stolen on building site.Now I have DTW700 to screw in my car and my little helper TD111. BTW - red and other colors are available in Japan.

@florisnr11 15 дней назад

Please use your tools in the right way. Jesus. You have the tool in your hand and you dont use it on your clutch. 😅 You can use your vario blocker tool for your clutch.

@Vortecks 6 дней назад

A few weeks ago, I tried every way possible and the nut would not come off, this was my only option.