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Episode 78: Too big to fall (Part I): Mike Pilavachi, Ravi Zacharias and broken icons 

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Mike Pilavachi has resigned from Soul Survivor and once again we are having that conversation. Why do beloved Christian leaders fall? And why do the people around themso often protect and enable their failings?


In this episode, we don't disect the ongoing Pilavachi investigation or jump to hasty condemnation, nor do we jump to his defence. Instead, we discuss what the limits of forgiveness might be, what cultural and structural factors might contribute to ongoing problematic behaviour and why some leaders become brands that are 'too big to fall' - until they do.
We also hear from people in the orbit of a previous and more upsetting scandal: that of Ravi Zacharias. Thanks to Matty Fearon of Mission Catalyst magazine and Johan Erasmus of Dialoog church for their contributions.
ALSO. We are acutely aware that on a podcast about a phenomenon mostly involving abuse of power by men, all our guests are men. This si a function of a few things, including: the people we know who are close to these events are also men - a reflection of church hiring perhaps; at least one woman we hoped to hear from decided to brief her husband to talk to us instead. We hope that the input from our listeners (who all appeared to be women this week) and the fact that we have one cis woman and one gender-curious on the host team makes up for that a little.

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Комментарии : 19   
@rhodiusscrolls3080
@rhodiusscrolls3080 7 месяцев назад
Tasha Cobbs Fill me Lord..you be the fire I m. the sacrifice Really and looking like her
@weekendwireless
@weekendwireless Год назад
Great listen. Just a shame about the bad language from the guest.
@jonlangley4871
@jonlangley4871 Год назад
Sorry! Though I think the 'worst' language (if you can think of it as truly 'bad' when what defines it as bad is having been used by poor people historically, rather than educated conquerors), was our host and producer Jonty.
@weekendwireless
@weekendwireless Год назад
@@jonlangley4871 I am not prudish but I just feel it’s unnecessary. It affects the credibility of the whole podcast. By part 2 even the main host was swearing. Stands out like a sore thumb in this kind of Christian/educational format.
@jonlangley4871
@jonlangley4871 Год назад
@@weekendwireless friend there are about 9 million shows where they don't swear. If swearing bugs you, this one probably isn't for you. Re: credibility, i think the only people for whom that is true are people who would hate our politics and theology anyway (I'm one of the hosts). As i said before, qhat is defined as "swearing" is based almost entirely on class and linguistic hegemony. It's not a moral distinction and there are so many people, inside and outside the church, who are more comfortable with speech that fewls normal and honest, part of which is sqearing as we would in daily life. That may not be for everyone, but then there's those 9 million other shows....
@weekendwireless
@weekendwireless Год назад
@@jonlangley4871 I don’t hate your theology. But I think it’s a shame to alienate people just so you can add the odd random swear into a podcast. Especially when you and the others clearly work hard to make something decent. Without the swearing more platforms would pick this up and a few hundred views would turn into a few thousands in a very short space of time.
@richardkrispell7904
@richardkrispell7904 Год назад
Why the host suddenly became so potty mouthed I’m not sure, it was embarrassing like those teachers that want to be cool with the kids. Ruined the whole episode swearing like that deliberately as if he was trying to draw attention to himself, rather than being immersed in the debate.
@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09
@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09 11 месяцев назад
I’ve heard it all now. Has Holly Willoughby joined this now? All the laughing and giggling at the beginning. Have a beer whilst you discuss Christ.? There should have been a trigger alert for all the alcoholics. You also imply that God lies. He called us vessels, not just us elevating ourselves. 😅
@jonlangley4871
@jonlangley4871 11 месяцев назад
Jules, there are other podcasts to listen to. Please enjoy responsibly
@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09
@Leftcatholicsatanchurch09 11 месяцев назад
@@jonlangley4871 Only heard about 6 mins. Please be assured I will not be listening to this offensive podcast again- deleted. I don’t imbibe alcohol, please don’t make arrogant assumptions.🙂
@chalicotheremapping8921
@chalicotheremapping8921 Год назад
Pride is the sickest sin and is so widespread
@jonlangley4871
@jonlangley4871 Год назад
truth
@richardjohnson-j3b
@richardjohnson-j3b Год назад
sin does not exist. Jesus did not end what God created Jesus ended sin not evil God created good and evil Isaiah 45v7 and they still exist sin does not. Use your god given senses and you will be able to discern good and evil it is impossible to discern sin you have to believe in the evil doctrines of man to believe it still exists
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