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Episode 93 - I'm Done With Campaign Games (And A Small Earth Abundance Retcon)
Wow this episode took a while! Oh well enjoy!
- A small retcon to my Earth Abundance preview
- My first impressions of Unsettled
- Why Charity Zeth is NOT a good faction in Sidereal Confluence
- Why Silverwood Grove is worthy of a 1/10 rating
- Why I'm 99% officially done with campaign games
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Timestamps:
00:00 - Introduction and Channel Updates
10:10 - Retcon To Earth Abundance Preview
22:05 - Sidereal Confluence (Why Charity Zeth Suck)
26:37 - Unsettled First Impressions
36:15 - Why Silverwood Grove Is A 1/10!
52:04 - Why I'm Done With Campaign Games
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@ten_oclock_scholar4690 3 месяца назад

I love campaign games. My wife and I probably play 4-5 new campaigns a year, including the Arkham LCG, but we have certainly abandoned ones we don't like (ISS Vanguard, Etherfields, and 7th Citadel, for example). Few campaign games actually have robust enough mechanics to be interesting for the entire length of the campaign, and so many campaigns are artificially lengthened by bloat. Awaken Realms in particular are the main culprits when it comes to packing their games with a bunch of material that doesn't actually add to the experience; I'd much rather they cut the content in half and spend their time and energy refining the core game so that there is no grind and so that the mechanics are actually interesting enough to sustain my attention for 12-20 games. While I'm far from being done with campaign games, I'm definitely done with Awaken Realms.

@hanslamal5632 3 месяца назад

Life itself is already a huge campaign, no time for fiddly boardgame campaigns... There are enough wonderful and satisfying short games!

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Hear hear!!

@iansutton7416 3 месяца назад

It is vital for people to understand if their gaming group(s) are conducive to campaign gaming. If so, having a new one lined up as you near the conclusion of another makes sense (even if they're doing 2-3 in parallel). If not, then it can be quite a challenge to gather like minds to embark on a campaign game, especially when all are used to a mish-mash of different games from week to week. Safest option is to simply not consider them. There is of course solo, and I suspect there are a very high % of gamers who play these campaign games solo. Not something I enjoy myself, as the interaction with others is a major part of gaming for me.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Doing them at game clubs irks me, because it sucks those players away for months on end meaning you can't play any games with them until they finish.

@manuelkooijman5757 2 месяца назад

Am with you on the campaign games. Got to dungeon 7 of JOTL and felt it too samey and felt it was like work. Sold it shortly afterwards. And people might say “but a normal game can also become samey”. True but then I just leave it in the kallax for a few months. With a campaign you feel obliged to finish it otherwise you forget the overarching story. And that really is also not for me. I love scenarios though, they are great.

@ChampionsandBeyond 2 месяца назад

I backed the company's 3 kickstarters before this one and they were a fun little series of light games, I think a lot of the backers of silver wood grove were in a similar boat and yes I did back it as well unfortunately this game dented some of the trust in this company

@wiblick 3 месяца назад

I find this really fascinating because I am having the opposite problem at the moment in that non-campaign non-narrative games feel like I am just going through the motions and in a sense not really doing anything… I really want to like games like Scholars of the South Tigris but I just wonder why I’m going through the motions. what is really confusing me is that I love Hadrian’s Wall and Legacy of Yu. So I am obviously okay with worker placement and repetition. but overall campaign games with their sense of progression and a purpose seem to appeal to me more. (currently playing ISS Vanguard)

@realdealastrology9 3 месяца назад

I hate playing campaign or legacy games unless each playthrough is substantially replayable.

@Wonderflonium 3 месяца назад

Totally agree with you on campaigns! The only one I've played recently has been the LOTR LCG. Fairly quick setup and not much to track between scenarios.

@realdealastrology9 3 месяца назад

I don’t play that as a campaign. Only as individual scenarios, which is a fantastic option. I wish all campaign games can be played as individual standalone chapters or scenarios. That would make them more replayable.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Quick setup if you ignore the deck building :P

@realdealastrology9 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple and you can definitely ignore deck building. RingsDB website has tons of pre-constructed decks, many tailored for each scenario. Endless replayability and fun.

@marlonclark1338 3 месяца назад

I experienced something similar. I've played through two planets of ISS Vanguard. Sleeping Gods sits on my shelf in shrink wrap. Pandemic Legacy Season 1 also sits there, although I did play two non-campaign games of it. And, I pledged STALKER last summer. Additionally, non-campaign games, including some meaty ones like Frostpunk and High Frontier, need more time. A few months back, I felt overwhelmed with previews of Earthborne Rangers, Kinfire Chronicles and some others. Now I'm careful which youtube videos I watch, they just seem to exert pressure on me. At least STALKER has been delayed to October. (BTW the campaign is supposed to be 'only' 30 hours and it will have a skirmish mode, which I guess is random scenarios.)

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Skirmish will likely be a lesser mode to the campaign which the game is definitely catered for. But one can hope.

@elainetyger 3 месяца назад

So... an annual appraisal is like a Broken Meeple review? 😇

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Yeah not far off! :P But I'm fair! :P

@IlPiTube 3 месяца назад

I agree on every point on the campaign games issue. I love the concept, but I simply don’t have time for them. I now only buy single session games. I have sold few campaign based games and I have left with five. I’m planning to slowly play all of them over the next years. They are my joy and pain. Pain, mostly.

@chrisingold4590 3 месяца назад

I backed Silverwood Grove as I usually make a point of supporting local designers and publishers and the games are usually good, great or awesome. There has to be an exception and this is it - partway through the Kickstarter the focus was purely on fast fulfilment (it landed early) and they’d clearly given up realising they’d bitten off more than they could chew. The game was unplayable on arrival as the rules made no sense at all - they were completely unintelligible until the designer published some faqs. It was clearly the worst game I’d ever tried to play within a day and I offloaded it as fast as I could - this a fair and objective 1/10. The publisher here is really an artist first (their self designed games are very simple). The designer here is a first time designer and whilst I don’t know the background it’s obvious what happened here. Many great games from first timers were this bad once - the initial design is there and now it needs development and testing and shaping into a game that works well and is fun. It’s clear that they went straight to KS assuming this would take a couple of months rather than being the biggest chunk of the game creation process even if you don’t have asymmetric powers etc. COVID will have hit it (Victorian lockdowns etc) but this wasn’t self published and could have become fun, even good with proper gestation and development. The artist runs the publisher and the cutesy Aussie animals is his style (and has been pre Everdell to be fair). I feel for the designer as I think a game designer got the chance to have their game realised and published but without the support a new designer needs to ensure their game gets finished, and possibly it was rushed out faster than they wanted.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Knowing the development hell of this game, I'm not surprised it was trash. Hopefully he goes back to what he's good at.

@lesliebrayer8116 2 месяца назад

Totally agree with silverwood grove. One of my biggest disapointment. I love Australia and Everdell and thought that it could become one of my best games. How wrong was I ! I sold it quickly on a second hand site and felt guilty about it...

@TheBrokenMeeple 2 месяца назад

I felt guilty for about 5 seconds until the rest of the table also suggested it was crap! :P

@Original_Maverick 3 месяца назад

I kinda made it a rule to have less than 3 campaigns in my collection. I currently only have ISS, and some of the LotR LCG. I don't feel like I need more than that, and I am happy with what I have. I don't like to force games into life, if anything feels like it needs to be forced in then it probably doesn't have a spot with me in the long run. Do you think you'll focus less on new content in the aim of focusing ok what you love in your collection? I think that is an admirable thing, and something most people probably need to do themselves.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

I'll be interested in trying new games, but I won't be desperate to own them unless they surpass what I already have.

@liamobrien292 3 месяца назад

If you think you are going through a heat wave with that temperature. You would hate where I come from Australia 🇦🇺🤣

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Oh I know I would!! Either I burn to a crisp or get eaten by spiders 😅

@liamobrien292 3 месяца назад

The spiders are not that bad. It’s the mosquitoes you worry most about when in summer.

@alister3882 3 месяца назад

@@liamobrien292 Yep, the huge spiders are busy eating huge roaches haahaha.

@justinsavioli7875 3 месяца назад

I am *right* there with you on campaign games. I just can't find the time. I think I could do it if I really just only played a single game for year or two but then I would be missing all the other games I want to play. They just don't fit my life or lifestyle anymore (assuming they ever did).

@andrewdicker7272 3 месяца назад

Some campaigns I've really enjoyed. Scythe:Rise of Fenris, Clank Legacy, even some of the Zombicde ones as well. It works if you have a tight group, and the games are known, and you enjoy it even if it wasn't a campaign. Pandemic was good, but it was online for me on TSS during lockdown. But I do have a few ones which is...hmmm no. I kickstarted Darkest Dungeon for example, and well, the production issues on that are well documented, but I do have the first half of it, but the idea of getting it to the table with people is somewhat daunting.

@capnbob0618 3 месяца назад

I understand your thoughts on campaign games. I think my view is becoming similar but maybe slightly more moderate. Some of my favorite experiences with board games were with campaigns - Gloomhaven and Oathsworn and Arkham LCG - but then a vast majority are mediocre and take up too much of your life as you said. So I’m trying to learn to be super picky with campaigns and definitely only get them after their first edition to hear from reviewers and see plays to know it’s worth the time.

@th1ngo 3 месяца назад

I wonder whether you could put a finer point on your opinion of _silverwood grove_ ?

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

He he, not clear enough? 😂

@TheSludgeMan 3 месяца назад

Took me ages to realise I didn't like campaign or legacy style games. Lands of galzyr, welcome to the moon, campaign expansion for it's a wonderful world, pandemic legacy, my island.. these are all games I own and simply can't be arsed to play

@DanielPhelan 3 месяца назад

Lands of Galzyr is not really a campaign game and I would suggest you try it, it just has elements of continuation from one game to the next but each game is its own instance.

@TheSludgeMan 3 месяца назад

@@DanielPhelan i knew someone would point that out but I included it anyway. I've played it 3 times. It's fine but it was an expensive way to figure out i don't like any form of constantly evolving experience.

@ourfamilytogether 3 месяца назад

The Lord of the Rings duel game is, I believe, a retheme of 7 Wonders Duel. I’m not sure how many changes there are.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

If its just a cash in I'll be annoyed.

@gregorys9629 3 месяца назад

I played Unsettled with a friend a couple of weeks back - it's a fun co-op game (best at 2 imo) but there's just a bit too much going on for it to be enjoyable solo.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

I don't know, seems OK solo, you just have a couple more cubes to deal with.

@ralfn9629 3 месяца назад

Yes scenario-based campaign games are great. Lost Ruins of Arnak for example I have to get out again. And I only started The 7th Citadelle and Sleeping Gods: Distant Skies (I always have to pack everything away for space reasons); but these are also too much/too many for me! So, I am with you to slow down

@alister3882 3 месяца назад

Ey, Luke. I have saw also the channel not growing much, is a shame, is such great content and very regular videos, I thought of it, like, why his channel is not growing? Its a nish area, actually your channel is bigger than most, but still, I also wanted it be bigger, because really like this channel and if you could go full time on this it will be even better by a lot, maybe do more collaborations, you don´t course so is not that that RU-vid doesn´t show your channel, hopefully you can fine the answer, the shorts where you talk about different stuff is a right move to bring new people here. Keep it going, we need more honest reviewers.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Thanks a bunch! Some of it is because people just want to hear positive reviews all the time, and some is down to a lack of support from big names/publishers. The small creators who do surprisingly well in numbers so fast is solely down to constant "bigging up" from big names up high. It makes a colossal difference. Only so much a lone white British guy can do! 😂

@alister3882 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple Yep, thats also a big part, they only talk nice about everything and hides the bad, is a shame that, but also why the people that follows you follows you more loyalty than those others, keep it going, hopefully soon I can give you a hand.

@henryjoconnell 3 месяца назад

I know you're not the biggest fan of BGG but I wonder if people can vote on different time lengths for their plays, or import the data from BG Stats to avoid publishers lying so often? So have the publishers claim of 60-90 minutes, but also an average time based on actual plays at various player counts visible for users to see?

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

As we know from the weight rankings and player count polls, users are not the best people to determine stats for games 😁

@kombainasable 3 месяца назад

I think even if publishers have bias for writing how much game takes under perfect conditions, I so much more prefer that to trying to guess if a self-reported user even read the rules correctly, let alone if they corrected or not for non-game related interruptions. e.g. TI4 lists 4-8 h per game, but I have played as long as 14 h (5 player), but that was overnight with alcohol, etc. that 4-8 h estimate is a lot more closer to a *helpful* number than my factual data.

@nirszi 3 месяца назад

So now I have to pay attention what my neighbors are doing every turn (Earth: A)? Not the kind of interaction I like. Sounds like busy work.

@MerrillWhiteKalEl 3 месяца назад

Loved Oathsworn! Did the entire campaign. Quit ISS Vanguard after 5 plays. To grinding and overly punishing. Tried Gloomhaven and only did 5 chapters and that was enough. Currently doing Sleeping Gods Distant Skies and we will finish it. I pledged for Arydia. I try to only have one campaign game at a time and complete them and sell them.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Sounds like you go fast through each one 😁

@MerrillWhiteKalEl 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple I would not say that. Still takes months with maybe one gaming session per week. The key is also having a group to consistently play with. I like to do campaigns with others. I am not too big on solo gaming. If I am going to play solo I am just going to play it on a PC or console.

@fmgs31 3 месяца назад

As someone who loves Unsettled, I wouldn't think that playing solo is a good way to play it. My recommendation for planets to try out would be Strannos

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Yeah Planet 3 is Rating 4 which I thought was mental. Solo is basically just two handed, barely any different.

@fmgs31 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple yeah, but in my case I would find it hard to track all the actions, the movement, moving luna and scanning if I would have to do it 2 handed. Plus, the thing I love the most about coops is the discussion

@fmgs31 3 месяца назад

I know they added now some action trackers in their web store, though

@yaryayray 3 месяца назад

That would be great if you tried Darkest Doom before making top ten sandbox games.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Not even seen a copy of this game in physical existence.

@nirszi 3 месяца назад

I'll have a chance to play Sidereal Confluence this upcoming weekend and from everything I know about this game, I will politely but firmly decline.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

It's definitely a niche game.

@aSyphodias 3 месяца назад

I watched some playthroughs of Unsettled and left quite underwhelmed with it. Especially for the price of the game it seemed so basic. My problem with campaign games is that they are too much of commitment most of the time and also the gameplay is usually quite subpar which to me is the most important thing. If the narrative is good it helps but I'd rather read a book, I play board game for the gameplay. I still like AHLCG because it's just 7/8 missions and I love deckbuilding but even then it doesn't get tabled enough like you said.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

It definitely isn't quite as involved as I was expecting despite a heavy rules overhead.

@Raokee 3 месяца назад

Totally understandable conclusion. I just think there should be a disclaimer from every game reviewer when it comes to campaigns. Part of the struggle you all have as content creators is having to get through the campaign quickly to get the review out. So, in that sense, the urgency to "just get through it" will always be an issue.

@StevenH4684 3 месяца назад

I also think the issue is most people can't afford to have hundreds of games like how reviewers can have. I think sometimes reviewers forget the value of if I play through a $100 campaign game that takes me 100+ hrs to play that puts me at $1 an hour and very worth the money. I think when you start getting free games a lot you forget the bang for your buck.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Even as a reviewer I've never forgotten the bang for your buck, I always point out high costs and overpricing when applicable. Most of my stuff is paid for anyway.

@shawns3911 3 месяца назад

“Lucky enough to not have kids” 😂…how’s vale of eternity solo?

@ParlorPunch 3 месяца назад

you would be a great dad and trust me! it's way better with kids

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

I would go insane way too easily. It's just not for me.

@ParlorPunch 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple well true, insanity is guaranteed!, I'm out of my freaking mind, however I do have more people to play board games with😁

@OlegKlishinArt 3 месяца назад

The campaign fad never sat well with me. I love one-shot games that have a beginning, development and culmination over few hours. Campaigns do the same but over dozens of hours, which seems like a colossal waste of time honestly. I respect Gloomhaven, but Jaws of the Lion was a repetitive slog in the second half. Appropriate number of Mage Knight plays would at least give a different game each time. I know you hate both, but that's not the point. The only campaign structure I like is Arkham Horror LCG. 8 scenarios is the sweet spot and the whole experience is highly customizable. So campaign is the most common feature that puts games on my ignore list. The only good thing I heard is the incentive to play that box more than 1-2 times, which is something I guess. Still, often people can't finish those 100 hours for years, especially with full party of busy adults. I might give a chance to Pandemic Legacy or Tainted Grail, but judging on feedback, I would hate them after a couple of hours. P.S.: Also, turning a human into a filing cabinet operator is not a fun activity. I'm talking about 7th Continent and other games that try to cram vast videogame content into piles of cardboard.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Oh god 7th Continent's filing cabinet..........

@matt_stowball 3 месяца назад

I didn't back Silverwood Grove, but backed the previous game. Again, absolute trash, with a terrible rulebook that I even tried to assist with, although few edits were made. Their following game was also reportedly trash, so now they just do jigsaw puzzles.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Yeah good that they ventured away from that.

@Greggiexplore 3 месяца назад

Throw some "oldies" back like dominion (there are still many players of this game) review expansions, mechanics... see how you views click then... Don't stick to new games exclusively.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

I review expansions plenty, one of favourite ones to do. If I had more time I'd certainly do more oldies.

@kerim8666 3 месяца назад

even with a 30 seconds of research, I found out that Silverwood Grove is a bad game. It is not like the game came out yesterday and there is no info on it, I came out in 2021. I don't see the point of this outrage/rant, I refuse to believe this game caught you all by surprise.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

Did I claim it caught me by surprise? No is the answer. It was literally a game my friend had that I said, let's play. There was not research and preparation in advance for playing it. I had not even heard of this game before she mentioned it. It was literally just an account of what I'd recently played and this game was one of them and as it was terrible, I am allowed to state so and give my reasons for it. Are people allowed to talk about a game if 30 seconds of research reveals a game is obviously going to be good? Both sides of course being very subjective. Having issue with me giving a report about a game I played is bewildering to say the least.

@kerim8666 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple Luke, this is not a healthy response let alone a thoughtful one. You say: ‘I didn’t say it caught me by surprise’ and ‘had not even heard of this game before’ in the same paragraph. Nobody is saying the things you mentioned above. Of course, you're free to share your opinions. Mate, it's your channel, after all. You literally ask for feedback “Hopefully you are enjoying this rant” and I am just saying it is beating a dead horse and I don’t enjoy your rant. It seems like you already researched the game before making this video. It has received poor ratings, as many others have mentioned before you. You're getting overly worked up, and frankly, it's not very engaging.

@tmcd5049 3 месяца назад

A campaign game you might be OK with: Oltrè. 😅 Well, we like it: simple rules, simple story, simple playtime! We generally like around 10 plays of a game, then try another title, unless a game is about an hour's playtime, then we'd play it more usually. Long campaigns do not appeal: though I can't wait to play Sleeping gods: distant skies.

@TheBrokenMeeple 3 месяца назад

I tried Oltree, didn't get into it much.

@tmcd5049 3 месяца назад

@@TheBrokenMeeple Yes, it's not Tainted Grail level of storytelling!