Eps 350: How To Handle 6.5 Creedmoor Fanboys

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Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I cover how to handle 6.5 Creedmoor fanboys, where to find a good single-shot rifle, and what it is with the bells I've been ringing?
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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@ErikCortina 3 месяца назад

The video title made me lol

@mickeydoodle6014 3 месяца назад

Just got back into reloading and a friend recommended your channel. Just subscribed 😂 cheers! Also, should I anneal my 338 Lapua cases after every fire/resizing? Or every 2-3?

@SMACK1978 3 месяца назад

Needsmoor…

@ErikCortina 3 месяца назад

The key is consistency. Do the same thing every time you reload.

@nmelkhunter1 3 месяца назад

Me too! 🤠

@alexs1972 3 месяца назад

My dyslexic ass read that as "the key is conspiracy" Don't trust Big Ammo. Make your own😂

@kindsir2734 3 месяца назад

The more I watch your stuff...the more I like your methods. Old guys rule, Ron

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

Thanks Kindsir, but I don't know if old guys rule so much as pick their shots based on what decades of experience have taught them. Hang in there, good sir!

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

You have chosen wisely and will be rewarded with free value able information! Us old guys are still alive for some reason and when we offer free info it’s a time to be all ears🤔😳🙌

@lukeu6672 3 месяца назад

Ron is still the king.

@Accidic 3 месяца назад

For 6.5 Fanboys... To me, they're just people who were never exposed to the 6.5 Swede... Either that or they're the ones that can't help but excitedly/rapidly cycle the bolt of a short action. ;) I tend to be thankful for the fanboys personally. It has benefited the caliber by expanding bullet options for the sibling cartridges. As for the outrageous claims... Even if they were true, just because you "can" do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do it. You CAN potentially kill a deer with a 22LR, doesn't mean you should try to do so.

@biggs8729 2 месяца назад

Ron, I am going to have to go with the listener on the comment of, increased spin rate will increase the down range energy of the round, or at least the down range energy potential. Yes, you are correct that rotational energy can take away from the forward energy of the projectile. You are also correct that forward energy is lost at a higher rate than rotational energy. But what you don't say is that a higher velocity bullet will incur an exponential increase of wind resistance, so, a bullet traveling 3000 fps might loose 300 fps on it's way to the 100 yard line. The same bullet at 1/3 the forward velocity, so 1000 fps, will only loose 50 fps on the way to the 100 yard line. Thus, if both bullets were fired with the same cartridge pressure but one of them was spun at a much faster rate and a slower forward velocity, one of those bullets is going to carry it's energy with MUCH more efficiency down range. The problem then becomes, how to transfer that rotational energy into a game animal. Obviously no one wants to hunt with a projectile velocity of 1000 fps, but what about stepping down from say a 1/10 twist .30 caliber at 3000 fps to a 1/6 twist .30 at 2700 fps? Hard to say how much energy advantage there is without a degree in physics, but there is something there.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 месяца назад

Yeah, something there, but not much, in my opinion because, as you note, converting rotational energy into trauma is ?? I routinely see the petals of X-style bullets twisted to about 40-degrees. Expansion is usually at least 2X, so a .308" bullet expands to a 60-caliber for a bigger hole, but you might get just 3, perhaps 4 revolutions of that broadened, sharp edged bullet while passing through 18 inches of tissue. Lateral tearing on the perimeter of the wound channel seems minimal compared to the forward bullet path. I'm putting my money on penetration first, rotation a distant third, and I'm not eager to trade forward velocity and long range reach and minimal wind deflection for possible wounding potential from rotation. Now, if rotational energy can be converted into dispersion of a broken projectile (once inside the vitals,) that works. It's the varmint bullet. Deadly on deer IF you get it inside. But then you have the lead fragments thither and yon in the meat. Likely won't impact humans, but proven again and again to kill scavenging birds. I have had good fragmenting results with copper Hammer hunters (petals designed to break away) and a CPA bullet (same approach) out of Europe. I think some Badlands Precision and Cutting Edge bullets do this, too. Might be the ideal compromise. I may be testing a 3" twist 8.6 this summer and have more info on rotational impacts.

@biggs8729 Месяц назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hey Ron, thanks for the reply. My only argument is that there is a potential for increased down range energy in focusing the available energy in faster spinning bullets rather than forward velocity. It’s a concept that has not been deeply studied yet. The 8.6 Blackout developers have really been pushing the idea forward though, taking a zebra at about 300 yards with a slow moving bullet and relying heavily on twist rate and an extremely high expanding bullet to get it done. Deserves some more study.

@Cowboy307 3 месяца назад

Excellent commentary on the 6.5 Creedmoor and its popularity!

@markburke2533 3 месяца назад

What great encouragement! Your musings are oftentimes helpful to those of us who are enamored with the good cartridges of the past.

@nmelkhunter1 3 месяца назад

Great video Ron. The banter over the 6.5 Creedmoor reminds me of the banter between myself and my daughter over Taylor Swift and George Strait. I tell her that while Swift can sing King George doesn’t have to put on a show to get the job done because he just that much better. We have a ton of fun sniping each other over these singers. Take care.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

Agreeing to disagree and being willing to consider the other's position without rancor and condemnation are two critical components of discourse largely missing from our culture.

@nmelkhunter1 3 месяца назад

@@RonSpomerOutdoors Well said.

@BadBusiness.357 3 месяца назад

I love that freedom bell that's really awesome. I like how the tone changes when you put your hand under it. Really enjoy your videos, very educational and entertaining. You sir, are a genius!

@ianmccutcheon6319 3 месяца назад

Good points Ron . You explain things very well . Thanks

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

You are welcome.

@czguy3045 3 месяца назад

On the single shot rifle, I think a 270 would be a fine choice, esp for the hand loader. It's been a while since I've used either of mine, but a Remington in 270 is the gun I've taken the most coyote with. Literally hundreds of them. A buddy of mine that is a prolific hand loader worked up a lighter load. He originally used the Berger Classic Hunter and switched to the Game King. Both were right around 2500 fps, 130 grain, can't remember the powder he used. It was quite mild. Then I'd use the full load of choice for hog or deer, though I have no doubt those lighter hand loads would do just fine within 250 yards. I'd feel a bit better with full loads for deer.

@davidteague5461 3 месяца назад

U mentioned all copper bullets. I was old fashioned and stubborn. Never had any use for them . Then i bought some that were on sale , just because they were a good deal. Use them deer season. WOW !!! I’m sold!!! U can teach an old dog . lol I talk about them a lot now . I even recommend them . They perform great.

@MikeJones-im7ki 3 месяца назад

It's great what you do

@leskrug9266 3 месяца назад

I have that exact hat! I bought it ( i believe) in 1990! Yes there's some wear and tear!

@balaton1 3 месяца назад

God bless you Ron!

@Joeatsaco69 3 месяца назад

Great Job as Always

@lukeu6672 3 месяца назад

I just got a 280ackley improved and I became a fanboy of it… traded in my 6.5CM.

@travissmith-wz5nc 3 месяца назад

Probably best on 3006 parent case

@johnkaraphillis754 3 месяца назад

Great choice!

@foubert45 3 месяца назад

Much cooler fan boy now!

@sinistersilverado965 3 месяца назад

LOL

@jfess1911 3 месяца назад

That is also my favorite variation of the 30-06 case. The 6.5 Creedmoor is a good cartridge for people who are recoil sensitive or have no need for a higher-power cartridge, but the 280AI definitely has more oomph.

@paulbarela6548 3 месяца назад

I am using 200gr ELD- X on all game(30-06, Elk, Deer) determine your powder and load. Usually don't need to increase powder load just use the factor loads, then customize your loads to the factory load.

@Yetified_Mayhem 3 месяца назад

I believe u

@JW...-oj5iw 3 месяца назад

You have a real problem with communication.

@Lexidezi225 2 месяца назад

Eldx is a target bullet. Thin jacket. Sorry that’s just the reality

@pauldierkhising8170 2 месяца назад

Hi again there, Ron. After watching and enjoying this video in addition to your others, commenting here and there, I wanted to take just a moment to share with you, your first time viewers, and subscribers what a likable, pragmatic, and good natured communicator you are and present with your channel. We folks who write in comments and questions to you are a very eclectic spattering of learned knowledge, from the very beginner in all genres firearms, to the seasoned and learned veteran. You have decades of study and are truly a warehouse of retained knowledge in all things rifle and cartridge. Thank you for your demeanor and at times, patience. You know more than 99.99% of your audience, yet you reflect to your viewers a genuine happy-go-lucky friend to all who write in. Never boastful, you share your thoughts, insights, and display dignity to each of us and communicate extremely effectively. Your sense of humor mixed in with sound and accurate advice is appreciated. I would also like to give a plug on your new 7MM book. It is a great read and well researched. If one likes and appreciates all things 7MM, it is a must read to learn from, or if one is well versed in the calibers of Number 7, than a great fireside companion. Well thought out by addressing each cartridge in tiers of relative power, you also bring out the historical perspective on each cartridge as well as external ballistic characteristics, while offering subtle suggestions on your personal conclusions and reasons for selection. ‘Sorta fun how you inject human emotion into the descriptors of some of them. So again Ron, KUDOS to you, and hope you always hunt safe and shoot straight as well. Thank You. Paul from Park Rapids, MN.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 месяца назад

Paul, thank you for your kind and heartwarming sentiments. Here's wishing you joy afield in all your adventures!

@terrybritton1355 3 месяца назад

I got to see a shock wave damage from my son’s 243 at 85 yards on a whitetail doe. In processing the doe, we found the backbone was broken by the shockwave but the backstrap was not damaged. Both lungs were taken out, and the shot was about half way up the body and behind the shoulder.

@jfess1911 3 месяца назад

There is no controversy about the damage done by the large temporary cavity of a high-speed bullet hitting tissue. The are arguments, though of exactly how the animal is killed. Some have argued that the "hydrostatic shock" from those bullets will cause brain damage and instant death, even if the animal is shot in the leg. Others argue that the shock just stuns the animal and normal blood loss is what actually kills it. I tend to lean towards the "stunned" idea, since often animals seem to recover and run after initially collapsing from being hit.

@mikepink1337 3 месяца назад

I've shot 3 bucks, broadside between 75y and 125y with 90gr .243. All 3 dropped in there tracks instantly. Upon dressing, the round went thru close side of rib cage and stuck in opposite rib cage. Lungs and some internals were a liquefied mess.@@jfess1911

@theunofficialresults231 3 месяца назад

FBI studies show that (in humans) a projectile traveling at 2200 fps causes tissues to expand past their elasticity to the point it tears and cannot return to normal, which causes shock and almost instantaneous death. I believe that's what they call hydrostatic shock. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T6kUvi72s0Y.htmlsi=RwX-kse_l2L0DvrS around the 12:47 mark

@thomasdaum1927 3 месяца назад

You must be dreaming , a 243 is an old cartridge and won’t take anything ! 😂 A 6.5 Crapmore is the only cartridge that can take an animal . No other cartridge is any good for hunting ! 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣………

@lohikarhu734 3 месяца назад

Anyone shooting an elk at 700 yards is not an ethical hunter, they are just out looking for "glory", and they won't mention the one that ran off bleeding, and got taken by coyotes, or vultures...

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

So true and we just need to keep putting this out there so all these wannabe snipers realize we are hunters not some stupid target shooter trying to see how far we can fling a hunk of lead out there!

@matthewcampbell3199 2 месяца назад

You can take elk that far but you need to know how to shoot 1500 yards on target and hit everytime where ur aiming

@biggs8729 2 месяца назад

I'm sorry, but, If I can get stable in favorable weather conditions, 700 yards is basically a chip shot on elk vitals. Just because you can't doesn't mean that there aren't some that can. I would much rather study an elk at distance, read the wind, get good range, build a position and take my time than try to get too close, bump an elk and take a hurried shot from a bad shooting position while it's trying to beat feat to the timber. There is such a thing as too far for anyone, but 700 yards isn't it.

@danhayward9186 2 месяца назад

In Africa you will get your arse kicked all the way back to thr US of A Just remember game belongs to the land owner not Uncle Sam you draw blood you pay trofee price

@lohikarhu734 3 месяца назад

I got kind of a chuckle when your correspondent went through all of the various "statistics" of cartridges and rifles, when that old .270 has taken so many types of game, in such quantity, over the years... Somehow, it seems that results, like a picture, are worth a thousand words ( or statistics 😉)!

@oliviermorneau2819 3 месяца назад

Northwest territory is in canada, in the nortern part of canada at a similar latitude as Alaska there a three less populated regions called territorys, Yukon bordering alaska, Northwest territory in the middle and Nunavut as lots of islands going far north an east closer to Greenland

@thomasdaum1927 3 месяца назад

Hey Ron , I don’t drink any more - I don’t drink any less !……. 😂😂😂😂. Thanks for all your hard work for us !…….

@PlainsmansCabin 3 месяца назад

I like your informative Q&A vids! I do ask that you consider a couple of options to make it easier for viewers. 1) Cut the hour long vids into two or three vids and release them on different days. It would make it easier for us to find specific topics and watch more often. 2) Add “chapter breaks/captions” at the bottom of the video, so we can find the question (s) we want to watch or re-find. I find I dont watch regularly because of the video length and title topic, even tho there may be good info I shouldnt miss. Thanks!

@Kind_Candor 3 месяца назад

"6.5 needmore" official gun sponsor of Caitlin Jenner.

@dantep5570 3 месяца назад

Ok boomer

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

I knew it was a girly cartridge but that is funny🤔😳😱

@maartensswanepoel11 2 месяца назад

In South Africa, PMP/Musgrave necked down the 303 British to 6mm (6mm Masgrave) they also rebarrel would 303 rifles to 6mm. PMP makes factory ammo and brass for it. Very similar ballistics to the 243 Win..

@scottsozmtns7534 3 месяца назад

Capstick is a really good read if you enjoy hunting on the “dark continent”, of Africa. I wholeheartedly recommend reading some Capstick, amazing man!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

Yes, Capstick was an entertaining writer who told some engaging stories, but many PHs complain that he mostly retold THEiR stories, often placing himself in the hero's position. Regardless, the stories are exciting, often surprising, and well spun. Capstick's books have fueled many an African safari and should fuel many more.

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

The problem as Chapstick got older his mind started making him think that others hunts were his hunts and I think it’s not intentional because I have a very old friend of mine and I am old myself who does the same think! He was a great hunter and we just need to realize this when we read his books which I have had them all at one time before giving them as gifts

@ChrisJohnson-nm1hq Месяц назад

Suzie Capstick?

@justhavingfun0736 3 месяца назад

260 Remington

@jerrymartin5100 3 месяца назад

260 Remington os my go to 2 bolt guns and 1 high end ar10

@AWareWolf9 3 месяца назад

.260 rem is absolutely useless, just like 6.5 creedmore is. I hate to say it, but at least the 6.5 creed cycles thru a shorter action, making it a bit more useful. You’re just the same as the 6.5 creed fanbois- stuck on a dumb, VASTLY OVERHYPED, mostly useless for hunting cartridge

@stevenlewis6781 3 месяца назад

@@AWareWolf9Wow pretty strong statement and a pretty ignorant one at that. I have a 260 and a 6.5 and other rifles from 22’s to 338 Lapua. The Swedes figured out about 110 years ago that the 6.5 was the sweet spot for terminal ballistics, velocity and recoil. Always has, always will be. You can shit in one hand and wish with the other, but it still won’t change anything.

@scottsozmtns7534 3 месяца назад

I 2nd “Charles’”, suggestion on scopes, reticle, FFP’s, SFP’s, M.O.A. vs. Mil, Duplex, Horus, BDC, LPVO’s, 1” vs. 30mm or 34mm & bigger, German vs Japanese Glass, etc.

@kirkwhitaker6422 3 месяца назад

you need to look at the 338 Norma mag...they are lookiing at it for the replacement of the M240 with much more energy at a 4000lb energy level to be between the 6.8 and the 50 bmg for anti vehicle and other use....shorter action and with soft point bullets it would be a serious big game cartricge ...idk where that will go.

@jtd662 2 месяца назад

Everyone always forgets about Newton. I would love to see Ron do a video just on him!

@annahonorata990 3 месяца назад

Ron, don't forget about the fan girls!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 2 месяца назад

Sorry, Anna. I guess I haven't noticed the fan girls being quite as -- how shall I put this without offending anyone? -- unrealistically enthusiastic about the 6.5 Creedmoor.

@fliesbyme 3 месяца назад

Impact can also disrupt nerve signals. A hard fall impacting the chest cavity can stop the heart.

@BuckMasterNorm 3 месяца назад

thanks

@Weatherby406 3 месяца назад

I bought a 6.5-300 Weatherby just so I could bag on the 6.5 CM.

@paulsouth4794 3 месяца назад

G'day Ron . NSW = New South Wales .. eastern state , the 1st colony

@garyturner8898 3 месяца назад

Hi Paul, we tend to be geographically challenged in the States. Enjoyed my visits to Sydney in the State of NSW. Cheers.

@waynocook53 20 дней назад

That was so fune!😂🤙

@eddybear771 3 месяца назад

Hey Ron, the man asking about the recoil of his 7mm Rem Mag, if he has a synthetic stock, he might try what my old friend did with his rifle, & fill the stock with play sand from the box stores. It worked great for him. P.S. this is from your Mar 19th podcast.

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

I have about 7-8 in the cartridge and on most of my rifles I put a break and a limb saver pad and it turns thst magnum into a nice sweet shooting rifle that you will enjoy a whole lot more my friend! I put breaks on most of my 60+ year rifle collection! When hunting you don’t notice the recoil much but in the range it sure can make range time much more pleasant.

@brandoncarey2329 3 месяца назад

It's a good topic. It's not that a Creedmoor is a bad round. Apples and apples 20 plus years ago was the .260 rem!! Marketing is everything! Fan boys are attached to a phone and the internet. New products are talked about and old ones aren't. They are both pretty much .308 win based. Creedmoor has a bigger fan because it was easier to find and every company jumped on it but the .260 never had the same way to have "fan boys". THIS IS MY WORDS! When it the first Creedmoor came out I was like just another gimmick and something that is going to go by the wayside. The marketing and the fan boys have proven me wrong. The number of companies that jumped on this band wagon was amazing!

@paulbarela6548 3 месяца назад

I have only been deer, elk, pronghorn, and Ibex with muzzle-loader for the past 10. We have a draw in New Mexico so it is hard to get a regular rifle draw. I just got my must belated military disability because I never applied. I was in the Air Force and didn't apply because I was on the NASA sounding rocket program after AF and was not challenged to work hard except on the Engineering part. I could have been 70 percent for the past 30 years. Aim High.

@JW...-oj5iw 3 месяца назад

Was that supposed to be informative in English?

@paulbarela6548 3 месяца назад

Yes, most people do not know or look up acronyms or what field to look them up in so they don't really care for them sorry.

@JW...-oj5iw 3 месяца назад

@@paulbarela6548 ... Your claim rings utterly hollow. Gibberish.

@GeneralObeseus 3 месяца назад

Hey Ron, it has been a while since you have talked about the 338 RPM, i was wondering if you could do a cartridge review on the .338 RPM versus the 338 Win Mag? There is now load dates for the 338 RPM.

@mtman2 3 месяца назад

Well as Rush said-> "It's not bragging if it's true" Too many low-info's speak out of limited knowkedge for not "Having ears that hear- to gain eyes that see"...! Learning need never end = making it interesting & fun...!

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

There is only one thing I need more then more knowledge and that’s another rifle 😳😂

@mtman2 3 месяца назад

@edwardabrams4972 Heck of a dilemma huh...! Well truth is you can only shoot one at a time with long, well practiced excellent prescision...! The most dangerous man in a gunfight is the guy that shoots only one gun with extreme proffient consistent accuracy-[not that you can't have more] -> thinking of Bob Munden = 2 accurate shots in 2/10ths of a second...! ie = Imagine going into a gun fight or facing down a deadly charge by dangerous game like a Grizzly, Lion, Tiger, Cape Buff, Hippo, Leopard-> who'd you want beside you in that fray or in combat: 1) the joker with dozens of guns not married to one in consistent proven ability, OR 2) the guy that is seriously capable wth one well experienced weapon, 3) then again in competition shooting its the same with who wins consistently = knows that gun at a high intimate level, Certainly one should have various types of units to use even in Africa: tho when facing things that'll kill you ery unpleasantly be best to have one intimate gun & a man beside you wed to one main gun = to consistently walk away when it really counts-! [Patterson's borrowed rifle scene 0oops in "The Ghost & The Darkness"] The same for War = where one Soldier is issued one gun he must "marry" & know on intimate terms and kept in A1 working condition- tho still trained to run many types...! *Guess my complaint with some "gun-nuts" is they obtain so many guns they never gain serious proficiency with one rifle, shotgun +/or pistol(many I know are divorced + had to sell'em all)...! Certainly should have more for various purposes, fun, collecting, investments: - but like too many girlfriends instead of one consistently trusted wife = life will become a chaotic nightmare when things get tuff...lol

@backcountrybullets5500 3 месяца назад

How to handle 6.5 Creedmoor fan boys? Ron I suggest they upgrade to the .308 Creedmoor lol. Launches heavier bullets and has alot more power. Viable 500 yard Elk stopping power by the numbers with 178 and 200 grain bullets according to 4DOF. A touch over 1500 ft pounds @500 yards.

@JW...-oj5iw 3 месяца назад

Use an English dictionary to look up "alot" as written in your comment.

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

@@JW...-oj5iwmove along these aren’t the Drodes your looking for know it all😳

@JW...-oj5iw 3 месяца назад

@@edwardabrams4972 ... How to deal with someone as handicapped as you? "Drodes"??? Are you trying to refer to Star Wars episode 4, A New Hope? The scene in which Obi Wan Kenobi speaks to the Imperial Stormtrooper? Is that what you tried to reference? R2D2 and C3PO were called Droids, possibly a linguistic connection in George Lucas' mind to androids. Be that as it may, you clearly can't remember the sequence of the conversation. Rewatch the movie and pay attention so you can get it right, next time you swing less wildly.

@rosswitte 17 дней назад

You are a national treasure.

@paulbarela6548 3 месяца назад

Star-line brass should have the 40-82 Winchester. Taylors firearms might get you there, but your in South America You might have ITAR problems, black hills can get some of that stuff.

@davidbriem3674 3 месяца назад

I’m new to rifle shooting/hunting. Living in ohio where straightwalled cartridges are all that’s allowed. I haven’t heard you say anything about Henry’s 360 and was wandering what you thought about it for deer hunting 200 yards and under.

@robgun1895 3 месяца назад

I wish there was more modern 6.5x55 options...

@bigq9251 3 месяца назад

Great Podcast. I think that they had some good ideas behind the 65 creed. I always wondered why the 30 degree shoulder, but found the answer in Ep. 083 - 6.5 Creedmoor | The REAL Story Uncovered on utube

@tristantimothy1004 2 месяца назад

Best " wax" ive found for waterproofing is " Sno-Seal". Running through swamps all summer in my leather boots waterproof. Works great on all leather. Belts, rifle slings. Rub it on thick & warm the leather til no more will soak in & your good to go. I either hang my boots over the woodstove or put em in a plastic bag in the sun. Works great on the knees/ cuffs of Carhart snowsuits too where your kneeling down all the time on the trapline.

@garyh1449 3 месяца назад

I get a kick about all the hype on what is better. Where I hunt and for what I hunt a 30-30, 32 Special, 303 Savage or the 35 Rem will do just fine. I used a 300 Savage in case I might want to shoot at 200/250 yards. Today I use a 6.5x55 Swede. It isn't better for what I do, It's just I like the cartridge. There are better cartridges for other purposes that will serve purposes other than mine and those people will have lots of choices that will do without one being better than the other. Its always fun to defend your favorite cartridge. I remember as a kid at the hunting camp listening to the old timers explaining to each other why their cartridge is better. LOL Availability could certainly make a cartridge better than the other or the type of firearm available for the cartridge and on and on..........

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

Having hunted over 60+ years as well as reloading and collecting rifles I have bought 6.5 for my sons when they first started hunting and now they use 28 Noslers and 375 H&H and 300 win mags. I have never owned a 6.5 because I want something I can hunt deer, elk and bears and I have seen more then most how the 6.5 works and can say for deer it’s one of the best but for elk and bears it falls far short of needed energy and mass for ethical shots on the largest game! You are short changing your responsibility to the game animal by going with too small of a cartridge!

@MR-bp3in 3 месяца назад

Oh BS 🤣🤣 that 264 bullet has plenty of energy for anything in north America. Of course a 300 or 375 is better but no need to get all holy and religious about it.

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

@@MR-bp3inthen take it on an grizzly bear hunt or even better how many hunters do you know or hear that take it on a grizzly hunt in any of the states 🤔😳 one if my sons lives in Wyoming and us around a well known hunter and he said that is the reason he takes a 300 win mag on elk hunts it’s not for the elk it’s fir the bears! You just need to get out a little more there Lad and maybe you might learn something before you become a grizzly’s lunch and learn the hard way😳

@philipsteele5704 3 месяца назад

The 30 Newton is almost a dead ringer for the 300 PRC. Look up the dimensions on those two.

@chadperry4021 3 месяца назад

I just looked that up holy mackerel. 1913 the 300 win mag would have been a lead balloon if Remington or savage were making good bolt guns for that. And people say the 264 win mag was ahead of it’s time.

@LurchLures Месяц назад

6.5 cm creedmoore is best matched with 140,000 grain bullets. As these weigh 20 pounds each a recoil pad might be advised.

@ShooterETW 3 месяца назад

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@robertsien1623 2 месяца назад

As a 22 250 and 3030 guy i understand this argument

@m444ss 3 месяца назад

I don't own a 6.5 CM. I don't intend to ever own a 6.5 CM. HOWEVER... My brother lives on 100 wooded acres in GA and wants to buy a new rifle to hunt deer on his property. He has some disability due to a 12-ft fall he had some years ago, and recoil is an issue for him. If .243 Win is good for deer at 50-300 yards, then 6.5 CM is good, too. ...𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝, including 6.5 CM in "Best Rifle Cartridges for Elk Hunting of 2024" or "The 6 Best Rifle Cartridges for Moose Hunting" (both published by Field & Stream) is nonsense.

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

You are spot on🙌 60+ years of hunting and collecting and reloading just about every cartridge ever made and hunted with it to and the 6.5 creed is not even in the top 20 cartridges for moose or elk! But you will always have these young and dumb hunters snd writes who thing that shooting at 1,000 yards is hunting and shooting tiny bullets at big game is manly so what’s a guy to do but let them learn the hard way🤔😳 what do us old guys know 😱

@marek_sawa 3 месяца назад

Hey Ron, What about the SPCE bullets? Theres one thing i keep back , is trhere any relation with using spce and barrel life reduction, or damage ? GREETINGS from Poland Marek

@sinisterthoughts2896 3 месяца назад

I might be off, but I'm pretty sure I saw this one before.

@Airon79 3 месяца назад

Me too !

@bobhunt4402 3 месяца назад

NSW is the abbreviation for New South Wales and for godssakes the proper pronunciation of SMLE is "SMELLY".

@Yetified_Mayhem 3 месяца назад

Need to hear more about this not flinging copper and lead together thru your slinger. Im suspect of this.

@kirkboswell2575 3 месяца назад

For Arturo in Paraguay, 40-82 can be reformed (& trimmed) from 45-90 brass - which has been available from Starline, Graf & Sons, Ten-X, and a couple other places. A 408 mold might require a custom maker such as Arsenal molds. Mike Venturino put together a good book on loading and shooting those "oldie but goodie" cartridges. Don't recall the title right now. And, of course, you can never go wrong with a case full of black powder. Suggest a google search to find out who he can get stuff through. For a falling block, with those parameters, pretty much anything 24 cal and above would work. My vote (sorry fan boy haters) for that application would be 6.5x55 Swede, or the 6.5 "C" - which is essentially a short action 6.5x55. With a fast twist, they are capable of up to 160 grain bullets, and the Europeans use it on everything up to and including moose. As for calibers and ranges, bullet placement is, and always has been, the key. Many moons ago, when I had young eyes, we would hunt coyotes with a 22LR at ranges up to 150 yards. When we got older and started to read the gurus, we kept reading that the 22LR was "too small" for coyotes at any range. While we knew those statements weren't true, those magazines stimulated our growth into other calibers and etc. etc. etc. Good times ....... P.S. - Candle wax not a good choice. It will crack and break off. Haven't tried it, but beeswax should be a better choice. Traditionally they used a "oiled" wax, but that stuff was always slightly "sticky". Otherwise, just periodic cleaning with saddle soap and a yearly treatment of a "leather rejuvenater" should keep it going almost forever.

@jackjanzen6061 3 месяца назад

I experienced the 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser 35 years ago and so I have no need for the 6.5 creedmore. Ballistics are basically the same.

@jfess1911 3 месяца назад

Australia has six states. NSW= New South Wales, one of those states.

@jackjanzen6061 3 месяца назад

Hey Ron,will a faster twist barrel wear out faster than a slower twist barrel at the same velocity?

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

It’s the heat generated and not the twist that burns out the barrels! In my short 60+ years I have found that the stainless carbon rap barrels last longer because they dissipate heat faster and keeps the barrel cooler long or more shots and I can get a few hundred more shots with the carbon barrels!

@EricChmelarsky-vh7eq 3 месяца назад

This is how I deal with the 6.5 CM boys. Understand, I own 2 rifles in 6.5 CM. I do not hunt with them, paper punchers for me. I hunt with a 6.5X55 Swedish Mauser, lovely Tikka T3 wood stock, 1-8 twist barrel. So, if and when somebody asks, "what are you using today? " I reply a 6.5X55 Sweed. Get the deer in the headlights look, most of the time. 95% of the people I talk to, don't know what the #*÷> it is.😅 5% that do, give me a 😁 grin.

@tolesy00 3 месяца назад

I’m having deja vu.

@paulbarela6548 3 месяца назад

Who throws away an old weapon because it's an old weapon. Ya it is a fast twist. I use the ELD-X 200gr . I have old 1923 shot guns just because people wanted to give away old weapons.

@robertsebacher44 3 месяца назад

Browning makes a fine falling block in many calibers. My 7mm REM Mag is a bit much. I am considering having it Magna - ported. What do you think?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

You are referencing the M85 with exposed hammer? Yes, you could port it or thread the barrel to take a muzzle brake. That is more versatile, allowing you to just cap it with a threaded end cap, screw on the brake or a suppressor.

@gusloader123 3 месяца назад

Testing, one, two three....

@vincentemin9769 3 месяца назад

Hi Ron, I have a few questions/comments, starting off, as a hunter in Arizona, the chance of going after coues deer and pronghorn is relevant and a personal dream of mine. I have a .308 and a 30-06. I wonder if I should get a 6mm creedmore, a 6.5 PRC, or any of these new, flat shooting cartridges. Side note: The 300 AAC Blackout is dangerously underrated. My brother took his first javelina with it and that bullet went through its hind left and out the lungs while the boar was quartering. And finally, I have a AR-15 chambered in 300 OSSM and I have a few live rounds and some brass but the brass is hard to come by and I'm thinking about rechambering the rifle. Any cartridge recommendations? I already have a .223, 300 BLK, and a 458 Socom.

@Lexidezi225 2 месяца назад

.270 Winchester lol

@Jay-mv7xv 3 месяца назад

They can't use your name or image in marketing without your agreement. Pretty easy litigation and could make you a couple of dollars.

@jeraldnickell1597 3 месяца назад

I rebarreled a 243 win in a 8 in 1 twist and it shoots bug holes

@gavinbaker9697 3 месяца назад

Hey Ron can you give us a roughy list of all the calibres you own?

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

Gavin, I don't own so much as circulate. I've never enjoyed collecting and having to manage heaps of stuff, so I work with a rifle/cartridge for a time, then move on to something else, keeping the safe relatively uncluttered. Over the years I've worked with and/or hunted with 14/222, 17 HMR, 17 WSM, 17 Rem Fireball, 5mm Rem., 204 Ruger, 22 Short, Long, Long Rifle, 22 Win Mag, 22 Hornet, 221 Fireball, 222 Rem., 218 Bee, 223 Rem., 5.56 NATO, 22-250, 22-250 AI, 220 Swift, 223 WSSM, 243 Win, 6mm Rem., 240 Wby Mag., 243 WSSM, 250 Savage, 257 Rbts., 25 WSSM, 25-06 Rem., 257 Wby., 6.5 Grendel, 260 Rem., 6.5-284, 6.5-06, 6.5-280 AI, 6.5 Rem Mag., 264 Win. Mag., 6.8 SPC, 270 Win, 270 WSM, 270 Wby., 7mm-08 Rem., 7x57 Mauser, 284 Win, 280 Rem., 280 AI, 7mm SAUM, 7 WSM, 7 Rem Mag, 7 Wby Mag, 7mm STW, 7 RUM, 300 BLK, 30-30, 308 Win, 30-40 Krag., 30-06, 300 H&H, 300 SAUM, 300 WSM, 300 Win Mag, 300 Wby, 30-378 Wby., 325 WSM, 338 Federal, 338 Win Mag., 338 Lapua Mag., 348 Win., 357 Mag., 35 Rem., 356 Win, 358 Win, 350 Rem Mag, 9.3x74R, 9.3x62, 375 H&H Mag., 375 Ruger, 375 Wby, 405 Win., 450/400 N.E., 416 Rigby, 416 Rem Mag, 44-40, 44 Rem Mag., 444 Marlin, 45 Colt, 450 Busmaster, 45-70 Govt., 450 N.E., 458 Win Mag, 458 Lott, 470 N. E., 505 Gibbs, 50 BMG and misc. handgun rounds. And all the shotgun gauges plus .410, of course. Can't imagine keeping all of those under lock and key!

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

⁠are you sure Ron I could swear you missed one or two of them🤔😳😂 I have watch your career over the years and have collected or worse sold more rifles then I care ti remember too but somebody’s got to take car of all those homeless rifles🤣

@lisaannaallen6283 3 месяца назад

303 savage was the first

@scottsozmtns7534 3 месяца назад

I had to watch this video on the “Title”, alone! I despise the 6.5 Creedmoor. It has no room for improvements, bullets sizes, powder charges, etc. .260 Rem is way more versatile!

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

Sorry Ron but I have a confession to make it took me awhile but I did eventually pick my wife but it took almost 20 years to decide🤔😳😱 and that was because my rifle was only good in the range and not in the bedroom🤔😳😂

@drakeslocum2564 3 месяца назад

Is this a reupload?

@CodyHill-xb3lm 22 дня назад

I feel like 270win had gotten some of the same treatment as the Creedmoor... Some of its fans are ridiculous. 270win is a great cartridge... But too talk as if it's a RUM or a 378 WBY derivative (30, 338)... It is not. It's a fantastic deer & antelope cartridge to any "ethical" distance

@alberttarantella4240 3 месяца назад

.260 Rem has been dying a slow death for years and will soon not be available from any manufacturers, only custom built rifles. The 6.5 Swed is in the same boat as the 260 Rem but further along on its death spiral. Both are fine, capable cartridges but people aren’t buying new rifles in these cartridges in high enough numbers to keep them relevant.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

I suspect you're right because manufacturing is dependent on demand. Cartridges don't die because they're poor performers so much as they're not the "shiny new thing of the month." Many little things, including fashion, group think, myths and misconceptions contribute to cartridge obsolescence.

@glennandersen4748 3 месяца назад

Falling block nothing compere to blaser k 95

@rodneymoore7270 3 месяца назад

timestamp 36.30 I told my wife before we married that I had multiple lovers and that was NOT going to change ... they all had either 6 or 12 strings .... or multiple keys. I still am a musician and unlike too many of my ilk that is the closest I EVER came to being unfaithful to her. Guns have come into that catagory as well since then but they are beside the bed and she is in it. Oh yeah she is pretty fond of hers as well, guns not instruments.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

Share the love, Rod... but not too much, eh?

@janbastein7355 3 месяца назад

The Term” 6.5 CR” only makes me puke!🤮

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

It’s funny because it makes me want to take a sh_t😱 and probably the 6.5 guys since most of them are full of shit🤣

@leecrumpton Месяц назад

South west new south wales

@paulbarela6548 3 месяца назад

Practice, practice, practice, I still have not put my 6.5 together because it took so long to get my Uintah Precision 10 Upper 308 it extended range and found that I did not need to buy the 6.5 creedmore. I do want to add a Uintah Precision bolt on my 6.5 if i ever put it together and test the Areo precession 6.5 with CMMG parts. Damm barrels is twice the price on the 6.5 with a semi-auto barrel that sit's in a box.

@JW...-oj5iw 3 месяца назад

Good grief. Get an interpreter.

@rvrski1 3 месяца назад

PRCircle jerks can be annoying as well..😅

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

Tell me about it😳 but we all have that one cartridge that we dearly love and try to make everyone convert to it do I guess we will give them a free pass just one more time because we all know ours is the greatest 🤔😳😂

@VK6AB- 3 месяца назад

LOL

@Legitonion 3 месяца назад

I don’t understand the love for 6.5cm. A 6.5cm 143gr 2700fps projectile is inferior to a 308win 150gr 2900fps projectile at 99% of ranges people take game at.

@ronhimmelreich238 3 месяца назад

I have a question for you to cover…Why and how did Winchester come up with a .277 diameter bullet for the 270Win when there were 7 and 6.5mm bullets available to use?

@travissmith-wz5nc 3 месяца назад

Unique. Lol. My tikka t3 270 most accurate gun ever

@jfess1911 3 месяца назад

I hope that someone actually knows the reason, because the only plausible explanation I have heard is: "it probably involved alcohol".

@travissmith-wz5nc 3 месяца назад

@jfess1911 that's best explanation for a 270 guy who a 6er deep that had to bring work home and still going strong

@leoncolwin8645 3 месяца назад

In 1925 Winchester engineers took the diameter of the .30-06 which is 0.308". Then they multiplied 0.308 by 90% and they got 0.277", which became the bullet diameter of the new .270 Winchester cartridge

@Airon79 3 месяца назад

@leoncolwin8645 I didn't think that would work but it did , also , subtracting 10% from .308 works as well .

@danielcurtis1434 3 месяца назад

Can we define “fanboy”???

@kindsir2734 3 месяца назад

Test

@fgrobler1342 14 дней назад

How to handle the 6.5 creedmoor fanboys, " tell them not to extend the cartridge beyond the application!" but that applies to all firearms.

@cliffkirby8570 3 месяца назад

I don't even get what the big deal is about the 6.5 creedmoor and why it's hated so... I have one and it's a fantastic cartridge out to a thousand yards, it's like child's Play to hit a 14 inch round steel Target. I don't hunt so I can't speak on what it can kill out to those distances.

@lyndonhamby7432 3 месяца назад

Yep Ron there’s a lot of fanboys 😂😂😂😂

@ericpettyfishing 3 месяца назад

I dont understand why people hate bullets. Sich a weird thing

@jamesclark4 3 месяца назад

Fan boys not the bullets 😂 and its such

@strifehellsing 3 месяца назад

Met people that think the 6.5 creed is literary magic. That's what I have a hard time with not the bullet itself. It seems to be a fine round.

@whiplash636 3 месяца назад

I have a Daniel Defense 20" AR-10 chambered in, wait for it... 6.5 Creedmoor. Literally nobody has a problem with 6.5 Creed after they shoot my AR-10, which feels like you're shooting an AR-15.

@jjgriffin3275 3 месяца назад

Heres how to deal with FAN BOYS. its America, let them be a fan boy of whatever they want and dont worry about!! You do You and let them be them. you be a fan boy of yours and let them be a fan boy of theirs!

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

I like that philosophy!

@hrdrockfarm8948 3 месяца назад

Ron, I love following you, but....some dogs are literally much better than others. It's like how you always say to pick the correct bullet. You need to pick the correct dog for what you do the most. Do you hunt birds from horseback or on foot etc? Do you hunt ducks in flooded beaver swamps or sea ducks? Do you want a good house pet for your kids that will occasionally retrieve a dove or will your dog live in a kennel with 100 other dogs? In summary, is it going to be a hunting dog or will you mostly shoot steel plates with it? You might be able to kill a deer with a .22 but you can't retrieve a wounded, swimming goose with a toy poodle. P.S. Don't put me on your podcast. Leave that honor for the younger followers. I'm just an old fudd. Peace and be blessed.

@RonSpomerOutdoors 3 месяца назад

Absolutely. This is why we've bred such a variety of pointers, flushers, retrievers, and trailers (blood hounds.) However, there are the versatile breeds that do all remarkably well. Nevertheless, a hard core big-water goose hunters knows better than to buy and train a Brittany to do his water retrieves.

@hrdrockfarm8948 3 месяца назад

This is a Brittany Bashing free zone.

@rogersauve3208 3 месяца назад

I'm sorry Ron but I did kill an elk at 400 yards with my 6.5 creed ..but I do own a 270 WSM and just bought me the 7mm PRC ..but with technology on bullets nowadays I wouldn't hesitate to hunt elk with the 6.5 creed as long as my longest shot was 400 yards .. people forget at higher elevation you have less bullet drag and have better ballistics down range ..

@edwardabrams4972 3 месяца назад

A good thought to remember is JUST because you can do something doesn’t make it RIGHT! 60+ years of hunting, reloading and collecting rifles and that same statement has been coming up everytime a hunter goes out into the woods! Ethical is a word that had been lost in todays generation hunters vocabulary😳

@rogersauve3208 3 месяца назад

@@edwardabrams4972 I think that to many people hate the 6.5 creedmoor if you do your part the range and the availability how a person can shoot makes the difference..I hit the cow elk at 400 yards in the shoulder with the 143 eldx and it completely passed through the elk took two steps and dropped..I have been hunting since I was 15 and I'm 72 now and yet to lose an animal including bow hunting ..