Man this one's pretty divisive eh? Didn't expect that honestly. 🤣 Edit: This has actually sparked a follow up discussion video with the Mrs. Stay tuned lol.
I did both, I afk xp'd and also trained afkers, the reason to train afkers was more so an issue to the fact that sometimes ppl would aggregate and XP on common XP camp spots which is a big hell no to most ppl and is not fair when they have like infinite choices to afk @
Hey brother, always love these videos. My brother, his wife, and a good friend of ours would always share our account information, we all had 2-3 ps2s. I was not a fan of full on afk XP but as long as folks weren't doing it at the popular group spots, eh...to each his own. If we had too much xp debt one of us would log us all in, form a group and run out to giants or EoZ and let the group afk as the main guy pulled. Otherwise to get rid of debt we would roam the countryside and find some REALLY out of the way cave or tree with maybe a spawn or two and afk there for a few hours, so we did not interfere with popular xp spots.
Yeah, it's best to try and avoid the popular spots for two reasons. Not to conflict with other players, and not to get trolled by said players lol. Even with our population as low as it is now, i STILL see people coming through rather obscure locations. Blows my mind. It's very good, but also double edged sword if they aren't chill about it lol. Most people have been chill. Nobody has tried to train me. . . YET.
Woah! I just thought about EQOA randomly one day and decided to check it out after initially getting hyped for a revival 5 years ago. It's great to see solid progress seemingly being made. I know there's been a lot of background drama with different / conflicting teams working on their own servers instead of working together to bring EQOA back from the dead, so I admittedly lost faith that things would ever have progressed to this point. Hope to see a lot more of this in the very near future.
Oh yeah, that drama is about half a decade old now so it makes sense the time frame you mention. That's definitely old news, which was pretty overblown on reddit honestly lol. There was never this massive fracture, reports of it were highly exaggerated from what i can tell.
AFK xping is a staple in the game. People do play still, raids, quest, etc. When its downtime and people have to work and have family, afk xping is a way to still be apart of the world while not being. Its a way for people to add value to the game even when not playing. Also gives people a chance to add value to their characters for CMs and stuff
Yeah i agree, it's a legit strategy that's been part of EQOA from pretty much the onset. Like you said, we're mostly present and active. Only 3 classes can do it. It's not the big deal people make it out to be. If they're so jelly, they're free to roll one of the 3 classes capable of it.
@@librascalze6380 PVP exists in mmos to humble the playerbase, that includes exploiters. been this way since Ultima Online. Design wise, pvp was originally a way for the playerbase to police itself.
To speak on people trolling, etc. We will never be back where we came from old MMORPG's. We have changed in our social lives in comparison from where we came from. The only way we can get that back, is meeting like minded people. Being nice is difficult; being edgy, trolling, rude, or mean, it way too easy to do. Being social in the old day was amazing, just remember those memories and try to make new ones.
I used to fall asleep xping all the time and wake up to my team gathered around me spamming spells to try and wake me up lol. With it being a console game, people were relaxing on their couch so I remember people pretty commonly fell asleep.
YUP! LOL! That's one of my fondest memories, if i passed out the Mrs, who was just an online friend at that point would spam miscasts to wake me up and vice versa. People did it all the time.
yeah I absolutely love playing but it's nice to just afk out and still feel productive in game a little bit while I'm doing other stuff. I don't do it all the time but I remember mage afk teams back in the day and I was jealous because I didn't make a mage. So it was the first character I made this time.
This is precisely how i feel. I'm active 95% of the time. The other 5% i just park my character somewhere with a light blue and do other things. Nothing wrong with that. Also yeah, Mage was my first real alt, which i ended up enjoying more than my Druid. I had a Necro before Mage but i ended up enjoying Mage much more. Enchanter is also really good, i slept on that class last time. Not making that mistake twice lol.
I used to afk Saftemoots on Arcadin with my mag and cleric. They were level 58-60 fire elementals and the mag pet was immune to fire damage IIRC. Farming CM's and XP. Datel macro controller for PS2 was amazing.
I enjoyed the hay day of eqoa I beta tested the first disc and played all the way to shut down was a great game I been searching for a comparison forever
The only game that comes close imo ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PS57WMVAfWA.html Also EQOA has a private server now, that's what i'm playing on in the video. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_nArNoeisGw.html Definitely a unique game. Still my favorite game of all time.
I used to tank for hours on my SK, once I was done for the night, id log onto my Necro and afk xp until the next day when it was time to grind again. Honestly, half the time i played my necro in groups i was afk. RSD did so much damage, people didnt even care. I let necros afk in my groups all the time. Pets dont fall asleep 5 hours into an 8 hour grind lol
EXACTLY bro! People get so worked up over it lol. Just got done editing a video with the Mrs discussing AFK exp and Multiboxing due to how charged up some people are over it. It's honesty hilarious to me. Video should be a hoot! But yeah we had Necro's constantly going AFK in our groups. We didn't care because as you said, the pet DPS was all you really needed.
I've never AFK'd before in EQOA. If we had the complete game back, I'd consider it as a petter at lvl 60, but that's it. My main was a bard so I never had that luxury and honestly always thought it was cheesy. But it's a mechanic in the game, so fair enough.
Lvl 29 cap, most 1-20 quests are done most give epic skinned weapons (for now), lvl 17 armor quests are in. Coaches need ledgers signed, a ton of items have the correct stats now, OP gear slowly being phased out etc. Definitely worth checking out if you haven't been on in the past 3-4 months or so. OH and the freeport announcement stone now gives info on available quests. 23 quests are in, idk if they are complete, i think even lvl 30 quests are in, again not sure if they are all done or not but yeah.
Yeah I definitely need to get it installed, haven't been on for a year or more when it was just people running around Darvar Manor and mostly empty game. My old PC crapped out on me, hope my mini PC can handle it lol.
The portal pets cap out around 15, so yes. At lower levels it's probably best to get a healer portal pet or caster. Wizard and Alc hit pretty hard. Once you get to about 14 or so i would suggest just using your normal pet.
I don't know why anyone cares if someone is afk grinding far away from any normal camp. It doesn't affect them in any way. I'm sure these same people probably hate that people afk at Darvar instead of "playing". lol One thing I've been seeing lately is someone would ask a legit question like "how do I give my pet a weapon", and someone would respond "it's quite simple, you just play the game". I'm not sure if it's a joke, but it's definitely a non-answer.
Yeah it's odd. I was just perturbed that people were doing it on a test server, and after having been gone so long. I figured everyone was wandering around with stars in their eyes like i was, just amazed to be back. But i'm getting comments from people who CLEARLY hate the practice, which i find kind of hilarious actually. The sarcasm on the server can certainly be an issue. When i see it i usually bust their chops for a bit, and move on. Can't wait for that ignore feature because i can tell you right now, at least 5 people i know of are going straight on it asap.
Never played the game but I think you were right to be against AFK leveling, so many mechanics in modern day MMO are "Quality of life" changes that sound great in a vacuum, like a group finder, no death penalty, removing long travel times etc. For some of them you will even hear the same arguments in their defense as for AFK leveling (Just don't use it if you dislike it, let people have fun!) but I think they sap the identity and feel of the game. Older MMOs feel not at all like modern ones even though on paper they aren't THAT different and my theory is that it's due to the compounding effect of these changes. So from my POV as someone who knows next to nothing about EQOA. I can totally see being against AFK leveling in order to keep the spirit of the game alive. Also, can't forget the quote, "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game" - AFK leveling sure does look very optimal and not fun.
I wasn't really against the practice of it, just the timing of it on a test server where everything will be wiped, plus after over a decade, we just got the server running. But i hear ya, but it's not like we can control it. It's been a part of EQOA for so long that it's never going away unless the devs try to enforce it, which i really don't think they will. If i'm AFK leveling it's because i don't have time, or want to group in that moment, so i'll log into an alt and park them somewhere they can get a small bit of exp over a long period of time. It's not really too big of a deal, but some of our community evidently detest it.
I'm gonna play when it's actually not going to wipe man. I actually dont want to do it now because I'm just really busy irl and don't want to y character wiped
Any time I remember someone afk xp’ng they were far away from main camps anyways. I never really cared. There were times in a group where someone with a pet would be afk where it could be annoying, but at the same time I always kept them in the group unless a dps friend came on looking for a group…and then I would just boot them lol 🤷♂️😁 I used to get upset about power leveling, but that was when we first all started. I just felt too many at higher levels wouldn’t know how to really play their characters…but after a while what does it really matter
I barely played a pet class. I made a necro and that was really fun to play, but I think I got them to maybe level 30. Was too busy with my cleric and warrior
Yeah, that's the thing, they were always at some obscure camp or Treents lol. I did AFK Treent groups all the time towards the end, either as the puller of one of the AFK folk. Also yeah it got annoying when a necro or mage would afk randomly, and sometimes ended with a boot. But usually not becaue it took so long to replace them lol. Power leveling definitely created a Ploob problem lol. The Mrs used to power level all the time on her Shaman Carebears. Chances are if you were in a PL from 2004 to 2010 on CLW, it was her doing it lol. Good times!
@@EQOAnostalgia Yeah I mean I was always a late nighter til god knows when in the morning. So if the group I was in had a mage or nec go afk at gargoyles around 2:30 while I’m chain pulling, I’d ask the group what they thought and most the time we’d just stick it out cause why waste time looking for another dps right?! 😆 Although it would be funny when we’d boot them early cause we did get someone else and they’d just be standing there…then 4 hours later they’d finally wake up and we are still grinding hahaha 😆 They’d be like: “Oh sorry fell asleep” Us: “Ummm yeah we know lol”
@@EQOAnostalgia And I really think it depends on the reasoning. There is a lot you learn while grinding your character in normal group play. But hey maybe your guild just needs a mage for CotH…or a wizzy/druid for PoS port. Need more high level healers. Eventually I just couldn’t really find reasons to get all that upset about it anymore 🤷♂️
@@Hassler247 Well said, some people still hold a grudge over that stuff lol, it's weird. After a while you just learn to accept that sometimes "it do be like that" lol.
EQOA devs started out that way, then they let it go. Anyone can make a petter class and afk so idk how it's considered cheating lol. It's not exactly a competitive environment aside from camping drops etc. In which case, if you're AFK exp, you're going to quickly fall behind the groups who are not.
4:15 - You are in a shared world. You are taking space from an active player who is there. Whether or not there is an active player there trying to take the space is irrelevant. The reality is you are there when someone else could be who is actually playing the game. Them training you while you are afk to take your spot is perfectly reasonable imo. You are acting like it's so benign and harmless but, you are having a negative impact whether that impact be large or small, it's still an impact. You take zone space. You take server space. You take server bandwidth. Etc etc. If we allow a single person to do this and say its ok its nit a big deal, now everyone will start doing it. The negative impact grows. No longer is it this small negative impact it becomes a server wide issue. This negatively effects the game, the community, etc. Dont be selfish. Dont be unreasonable. Dont take space if you aren't active. Simple. If you aren't going to be there, park in a town like Freeport, Qeynos, etc, and log off, do whatver it is you want to do and come back when you are ready to play. Dont leave your character unattended auto leveling like you are playing a mobile game. Trying to normalize isn't a good thing no matter how benign you feel it might be.
Yeah i mean. . . i can see your point but nobody is going to listen, they're going to do what they want. Best to just do you, and let others do what they want. It's not the big issue some of you make it out to be. It's literally just a video game. I've been AFK exp all night, popping in and out to chat here and there, and back to watching videos. Literally harming NO ONE. I already told you, it was normalized half a life time ago. Only a minority of people care about it enough to try and do something to stop it, and you won't. Ever. What's NOT harmless, is training someone, especially when debt comes back. Which btw, was actually a bannable offense lol. So there's that.
Disagree. I think a lot of people try to go to spots out of the way, and are not hotly contested for a number of reasons. Most selfishly, to not get trained. Which is why the Orc Ransacker camps seems to be a popular spot for lower levels. I was out by Nasehir bandits just the other day, and two of us were on the outskirts only pulling from the scouts, not the camp it'self. This is is something i've observed now multiple times. If they ARE in a hot spot, well. . . trains happen lol.
Now you're being dramatic lol. It was "normalized" 20 years ago. Something you'll have to learn to live with, OR you can join the dark side, and train people etc. Your call. Either way, this video wasn't an indictment against the practice of AFK exp, i was just flabbergasted that people were doing it on a test server, after having been gone for so long. But as i said, it's literally NOT my business.
@@EQOAnostalgia "Now you're being dramatic lol." - EQOAnostalgia Appeal to ridicule (reductio ad ridiculum, reductio ad absurdum, ad absurdum) - mocking or stating that the opponent's position is laughable to deflect from the merits of the opponent's argument. ...and you are being dismissive of a perfectly rational and reasonable argument. You can name call me or try to pretend my argument isn't valid all you want, but the reality is there for anyone willing to approach the subject rationally. If you are going to play the game, be there. If you have other things you want to do, park your character, log off, and go do those other things. It's the same with multiboxers. The whole point of the game was to group with others and explore a dangerous world together. When you multibox you are just grouping with yourself, not really with a group of other players, and now you aren't part of the community you should be a part of. You are missing one of the major parts of the game that make it what it was. "It was "normalized" 20 years ago" - EQOAnostalgia It wasn't normalized. People would protest that behavior. People would train people participating in that behavior. It was not normal or accepted. It happened sure, but it wasn't normal or accepted. People frowned upon it and rightfully so. Play the game and be there... Or leave and make space for others who actually play the game. "Something you'll have to learn to live with, OR you can join the dark side, and train people etc." - EQOAnostalgia You don't have to learn to live with it. You can express protest and arguments against the behavior to try and reduce that behavior as much as possible. I can see people training when the afker is taking a spot others in an active group actively want. I would be perfectly ok with people who are actively playing the game to train that individual not playing. Be there, talk, participate, play or Don't, log off, do what you gotta do. It's ok to put down the game when you have responsibilities or other things you want to do. "But as i said, it's literally NOT my business." - EQOAnostalgia It's ok to talk about things. No reason to brush things off as not your business when clearly it is your business as it's something that effects you, will effect you, and clearly is something on your mind which is why you made a video on it. Some common fallacies to think about, and avoid, when approaching topics for discussion... "I'm entitled to my opinion" - a person discredits any opposition by claiming that they are entitled to their opinion while disregard facts, reasoning, and evidence brought up on a given subject. Appeal to ridicule (reductio ad ridiculum, reductio ad absurdum, ad absurdum) - mocking or stating that the opponent's position is laughable to deflect from the merits of the opponent's argument. Pooh-pooh - stating that an opponent's argument is unworthy of consideration. Thought-terminating cliché - a commonly used phrase, sometimes passing as folk wisdom, used to quell cognitive dissonance, conceal lack of forethought, move on to other topics, etc. - but in any case, to end the debate with a cliché rather than a point. " It is what it is" "Stop thinking so much." "It's all good." "Here we go again." etc. Straw man fallacy - misrepresenting an opponent's argument by broadening or narrowing the scope of a premise and/or refuting a weaker version of their argument
