ERIC BISCHOFF *LIVE* WHO KILLED WCW | EPISODE 3 REACTION *LIVE* 

it shouldn't even be a debate - Every Turner executive other than Ted wanted WCW gone before Nitro even started. The second the merger happened and Ted no longer had control, they got rid of WCW. Period, end of story.

​@@zachary_attackerythank you!

I was gonna say. I feel like the debate/question has almost lost meaning.

@@auggie87yet here we are still

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I heard that before that's why I don't respect Tony like I used too.

@@jameslarishjr429I’ve also heard that everyone involved was ok with the idea until the shit started hitting the fan. Then everyone threw Russo under the bus.

It was mentioned on this show early on.

​@@jwilhite12357 At the end of the day, it's on Russo for green lighting it. Bischoff has to hold the blame equally for that as well

@@Rschr101no it wasn’t. Conrad just said it’s the first he heard of it

Russo was porno wrestling

Yeah it's called hot shoting the territory

@@ianwebb8066 funny way of spelling no one has been up-to par with Russo's booking since.

Yep. Vince Russo and Paul Heyman created the attitude era. Meanwhile, Cornette was announcing on Sunday night heat lmao

The show was never better than when Russo was writing.

But what about Jesse Ventura

Hahaha! That foo coulda just got up to take a piss real quick. Conrad is annoying just by sitting there. 😂

Jesse Ventura rocks his ass off..haha

No wonder Cornette wants to piss on Russo's grave. To lose your job not once but twice to a shit-stain cant be good for one's wrestling cred.

You beat me to it lol 2 minutes in and Bischoff clearly didnt understand what Russo meant..Russo was Head Writer on the other channel when the 83 Week Streak ended, this podcast is called 83 Weeks why? Why isnt it 105 weeks or 300 weeks? Because the Head Writer on the other channel was feeding Vince McMahon some epic television from 97-99...Russo played a part in Eric being Fired

Agreed. Russo's version makes more sense. Hogan needed to leave so Russo could cut the promo on him and make Booker vs. Jarrett. If Hogan was still in the building. His character would do something about that match.

@@kevinlee9929 Yep. I got the feeling a while ago that this whole podcast is about Bischoff spreading lies & half-truths to cover for himself & Hogan. And now I believe that more than ever.

@@kevinlee9929 Eric said six years ago that the world title story was supposed to end at Hogan walking out. You'd be hard pressed to find another WCW PPV where the world title story ended around 50 minutes before the end of the show. It just doesn't make a lick of sense at all if you use your brain. The more Eric talks about Bash at the Beach 2000 the more lies he tells about it.

After watching Russos promo, I don’t think anybody expected him to go that far. He crossed the line and just kept on walkin. You can see him losing it. He’s not that good of an actor. He was likely told to say hulk won’t be here that’s it. Instead he used a ppv like a therapy session while ranting like a child in front of millions. Moron

Hogan just couldn't handle not being in control of the situation for once in his career

@@cutekanjiifor real it’s just dawning on me after this series how big of a pos hulk is

Russo's story has remained the same. There's a reason Hulk & Eric's story got thrown out of court twice as they couldn't get their own version of the story on the same page.

Eric will always find a way to dunk on Bret or Russo but will never address any questions about him and Hulk

What did they do to Dallas?

@@aceloco817first off being takers stalker, than they dogged the hell out of him to undertaker and kane, had takers WIFE win a match against him

@@Heller103085 oh damn! Lmao! It's been so damn long ago, I didn't remember any of that. Yeah, Vince did bury most of them dudes initially.

that’s what i hate about vince that piece of sh*t. ddp deserved better. karma f**king vince now is just about right. i don’t feel bad about him

😂😂😂😂😂

Russo's RAW beat Bischoff's Nitro, plain and simple. Then Russo had more success in TNA than Bischoff too. on top of when Russo owned Bischoff & Hogan at BATB.

@@GeneLasker3 Exactly. That's why Bischoff continues to act like Vince McMahon wrote the Attitude Era and acts like Russo contributed nothing to wrestling. His bitterness really shows

Don't like bitchoff but he brought more success to WCW than Russo could ever

A lot of WWF’s creative during the Attitude Era was totally nonsensical. The Higher Power angle was the biggest clusterfark in history. “This is your life” was also stupid, but non-wrestling fans dug it. By the time Russo got to WCW, the ideas were no longer fresh and just came off as a poor imitation of Raw. Plus, WCWs top stars were not a good fit for the whole Jerry Springer approach. Kevin Nash and Scott Hall maybe, but the rest no. I remember he did this angle with Goldberg stalking him, and it was nearly the same as when Austin abducted Vince McMahon while he was in a wheelchair. There was no way Goldberg could pull that off like Austin. Goldberg didnt fit into that kind of presentation. I think it was clear from the beginning that Russo did not know how to properly book Goldberg. Turning him heel was really stupid, and then trying to make him Austin 2.0 was hopeless.

Well yeah duh. He’s never had an original idea. It’s all compiled from other peoples ideas. He’s just smooth enough as a conman- excuse me, businessman, to sell said derivative ideas. Live wrestling shows existed before nitro. He lucked into Kevin and Scott being as financially savvy as they were. If they didn’t exist, I can’t think of many wrestlers that could have ever pulled off their initial invasion

That was my biggest takeaway. Of COURSE Vince Russo is going to assume he’s equally in charge. That said, I watched it again, and it’s clearly Russo trying to manipulate the audience. He says he doesn’t understand or that he was going to work WITH Eric, but I can bet you that he was told Eric would have more power. Also, Russo is incredibly gullible. They’d show BS(what a pos that dork is)/Eric discussing a concept, and they somehow Jedi mind ducked Vince into not only doing it, but thinking it was his idea. That ready to rumble spot came from the top 100%. They wanted to promote that movie and BS/Busch/Eric were forced to do this and Vince someone walks away thinking he came up the plan. He was only in charge for three months it seems. Obviously it became more after BATB. Plus I’m sure Eric and hulk did tell Vince to say something but he went into business for himself in front of that audience. He was destroying the entire company on purpose in that promo. For that alone he should never have been allowed back to even get that second chance in 02 before leaving again. What a little bitch; he quit with no notice over the phone when they kinda needed him. Just an absolute dickhead. Brrooooooo. I wonder how many bros they had to edit out because I heard very few

Brad Siegal never told Bischoff that he does not want Hogan on TV anymore because he was too expensive. Russo claimed that he was ordered by Siegal to get rid of Hogan. Russo even claimed Siegal told him not to give Hogan a phone call after the ppv, which led to a lawsuit against Russo for defamation of character, and WCW for breach of contract.

​@@nwo2cool i don't know who is telling the truth, siegal or russo.

@@RagingUtai I'll take Russo's words out of everybody who was involved. I've listened to Bischoff and Hogan's side of their stories, it didn't fit. Hogan claimed he didn't know about Russo's scathing promo on him, and didn't know about the plan to make Booker T the new WCW champion. Bischoff claimed the plan was for Hogan to walk out of the title disgusted without having a match, and the plan was to crown a new WCW champion at Halloween Havoc, and then Hogan returned to defend his real World title. Maybe that plan was supposed to happen until Brad Siegal scrapped it, telling Russo not to call Hogan after the ppv. Siegal backstabbed Bischoff. Bischoff even stated on the Dark Side of the Ring that the plan was for Hogan to leave the building before Russo's promo. Russo also claimed he told tell Hogan to leave the building because so can cut the scathing promo on him, if Hogan was still in the building, he would've come out to kill him. Bischoff and Hogan even celebrated on the jet. So who do you believe?

Eric is just a more articulate Vince Russo at the end of the day. Both are in salesmen mode 24/7 but at least when you listen to bischoff you don’t want to blow your brains out. He’s a hogan sycophant who only uses hogan because hogan only uses everybody else in existence. If they were gay they’d be married.

Can't go without going back and forth in his chair as well lol

@@John-k3v2f Not wrong lmao

I am getting dizzy seeing Conrad going back & forth lol! Conrad needs to plug AEW. It makes Tony & Meltzer happy

Not hypocritical he says "yeah I let that awful stuff happen", acknowledging his role

Bischoff’s creative from 1998 onward was as bad as Russo’s.

Exactly. Always contradicting himself when it comes to the Russo thing. Refuses to talk with him

10 minutes after watching Russo bury him, Bischoff changes his view. You don't think that might change his mind?

​@@scottmcginn2169 Why should it. As Eric stated. He's heard Russo say these things before.

​@kevinlee9929 in this interview he said he heard things for the first time

@@kaodik All the stuff Russo said on there he's said countless times.

Eric is everything he accuses Russo of. Delusional and a liar. When 83 weeks first started he literally couldn't remember much of anything from WCW

Bischoff is still covering for him & Hogan. He uses this podcast for Hogan propaganda basically.

So Booker T is a liar? Cause he said even he didn't know

Eric said there was supposed to have been a championship tournament after Hogan's 'worked' walkout from WCW culminating at Halloween Havoc, and Hogan would've come out to claim that he was the real champion, facing the winner of the tournament (Booker T).

Whoa that's quite a stretch lol Conrad literally said "eh I don't know about that". The only one triggered here is you.

@@SleepyRadio-tg1gw nah man seems like you are with the truth. It's straight up rude and disrespectful. I know. I know. The truth hurts 😭 but you khan people will get over it. And before you go im an aew hater, I've been to every single Toronto show, even forbidden door. I've done my part. Have you ? They aren't lying about the crowds. Or what they do and just lay there for spots..it went from great to trash my dude.

Sadly Eric is the one who keeps refusing. Conrad has asked him recently and he said no. Maybe doesn’t wanna get exposed

They did gay stuff together… it’s awkward now…

Eric would get exposed

Eric would get exposed. Eric is still covering for himself & Hogan all these years later. Saying the most venomous things he can about anyone who challenges the official Hogan narrative.

What's that simple? How wcw made it's first profit ever? How together Eric Hogan and Nash pushed the business up so that wrestlers today get a good salary? How they made wcw the only company ever to do better ratings and sales then WWF/WWE?

@@ianwebb8066 they made a profit and were out of business 5 years later. So dumb . It’s like my family owning a restaurant. Would I rather barely get by for 50 years, or make money for 2.5 years and then 2.5 years later be losing a ton of money and go out of business. I’ll take the first option. Stay broke fool

Vince wasn't interested in propping WCW throwaways that early. They were kind of big names in WCW that were kept down constantly

@@Sting283 We know that is one of the reason but it still makes sense as in a follow up series. Just hearing from people like RVD, DDP, and others over the years their was so much more than that. We know Vince's weird issues as RVD was the only one they kept a star. But the entire thing was fumbled and you know their is more to it than that or wrestlers points of view or creative meetings on things would or wouldn't work. I also know several fans always have wanted this topic covered in depth but we never got one because obviously Vince wasn't going to release a documentary style DVD at the time over something everyone knows was a failure.

Rvd wasn't Wcw tho. He's Ecw. Wasn't even a part of that either. Obviously u didn't watch it during the time. 😂😂😂

@@aceloco817he was apart of the ecw/wcw collab…him and dreamer were the two that came the night they combined the alliance, and that was offshooted from The invasion of wcw…so you werent paying attention

Also for us wrestling geeks or "marks" this is nice inside scoop from the wrestling business.

Candor? LOL. He's just as big of liar as Russo.

Well it’s a WCW doc. Why would there be any focus on what was going on with RAW? They’ve mentioned WWF stuff quite a bit with the Rock being on the doc

@@jditrev Because they ask Who Killed WCW? The popularity of Rock, Stone Cold, Vince McMahon played a role in draining Nitro's audience. Hence The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, and Vince McMahon played roles in killing WCW.

Barely talked about it. "Oh the talent watched THAT show they weren't supposed to watch." Wonder why, fellas?

Probably. He replaced them both because of their incompetence

No. They worked together and became friends during Eric’s time as Raw GM.

Russo took both their jobs & also outperformed them. So probably.

If you watched this, Eric says he’s willing to have a convo with Russo if Russo can be truthful about going into business for himself.

neither Eric nor Cornette will talk to him because they'd be exposed. Just like when Cornette and Eric were on "Table For 3" and it turned out all the crap Cornette criticized Eric for was completely false and told by him 2nd hand by "a little birdy"

Scary part was Russo wanted to put WCW Title on Tank Abbot. Thank God Bill Busch put a stop to it.

Last I checked, Giant, DDP, Goldberg, Booker, Steiner, Benoit, Jericho, Mysterio, and Guerrero all had runs with various titles. Saying “they didn’t create new stars” is WWF/Meltzer propaganda.

You know which of Eric's mistakes hurt him the most because they're the ones he's spent the last 20 years defending. The big egos did help destroy the ratings after 1998, BUT these same people are the ones that made the company hugely successful and made it its first profit in 1995....so... I guess that's wrestling...the same things that make us watch it (the insane people that do it) are also the same things that end up turning us off from it

From what I remember sting beat hogan everytime they wrestled. He made goldberg an Uber star… and tried to job to Billy Kidman. Hogan lost to Luger. Lost to piper. This idea he never put anyone over is silly as hell

@@D4NK1 WCW actually lost around $9,000,000 in 1995. Eric likes to promote Guy Evans book which shows exactly that. Because the financials at Turner were a complete mess, using EBITDA and the like to obscure them, it looked like on the surface that WCW was profitable in 1995 but it wasn't.

@@titanisback1 My point is more to the fact that Hogan did draw and made WCWs ratings boom. Was Hogan's contract ridiculous? Yes and especially when you consider that Vince didn't want him so WCW were bidding against themselves, but for whatever reason the crowd loved him and he got people watching...until they didn't. In hindsight the disaster was Hogan's 1998 contract. They should have let Hogan go because he wouldn't have accepted a contract that paid him what he was worth at the time. But his First WCW contract was also ridiculous if you read it but it was worth it to get WCW to the point it was in 1998. (Record crowds, ratings and revenue)

Eric is bitter that Russo was way more successful than him creatively even at TNA

That's a great point. Eric keeps saying that nothing would've kept WCW on the air because the executives didn't want it. Fair enough. But we could've at least gotten good WCW shows until it was pulled.

Yea I didn’t understand Bischoffs defense. Hulk gonna take the belt after double J lay down for him and not come back without explanation until Halloween Havoc? wtf?

He left AWA over a merchandise dispute with Verne, and because of the money he could make with Vince. When did anyone ever say it was over age?

Because Hogan did everything Russo asked of him and it did not work. He lost more during that period than he won. Hogan agreed to Russo's ideas, which were not good at all. He lost to Kidman, Vampiro, The Wall, Mike Awesome, etc. You're talking as if all of Russo's plans for Hogan were great and brought in ratings and profits. Everything was bad. Why don't you want Hogan to beat Jeff and take the belt? Nash won the belt over Jeff, Ric Flair, and Diamond Dallas Page, so they defeated Jeff. Even Vince Russo scripted himself to win the world belt over Booker T later. The question is why do all these people have the right to win over Jeff, but the decision for Hogan to win is the wrong decision?? Don't you think it's funny when you think about it? All of Russo's plans failed, so let's try for Hogan to be the champion as long as all of Jeff Jarrett's matches did not succeed. Russo made Jeff the world champion and made him the main event in all the PPVs, yet he did not succeed. Do not act as if Hogan's decision to win was a mistake and as if everything else was fine. Hogan did not steal Booker T's moment. Because the original plan was, since Hulk won over Kidman at the Great American Bash, that if he beat Kidman, he would fight the world champion at Bash at the Beach, and the decision for Booker to win did not come until a day or two before Bash at the Beach. The match announced a month ago was Hulk Hogan vs. Jeff, not Booker T vs. Jeff. Hogan didn't steal his moment in the first place. In addition, what did the belt do to Booker T? He lost the belt to Russo lol.

Not only was Hogan old, but 1998 and 1999 were brutal years of WCW being "The Hogan Show." It was repetitive and awful, and it took up the majority of the TV time. It was boring and demoralizing. Meanwhile Russo was writing fun stuff on RAW for younger athletes in their primes

​@Gary1123 these dirtsheet marks think that wrestling is about fake matches and gimmicks and not about the money. 🤣

stop russo glazing

@@antoineLebraneglazing? Lol a writer did not kill the company. Dont be a cliche mark

​@@antoineLebrane You literally go from channel to channel hating on him and saying this same comment ...

@@tededwards5709 you still glazing idc if he killed it or not

@@kevinlee9929 and you going from channel to channel worrying about my comment says more about you than me

If you want to go with that narrative. Then he killed what he created. Because without him, WCW would have never been worth watching in the first place in the monday night war you doofus mark.

Spot On!!​@@zeromagnum2811

@@zeromagnum2811 Russo's RAW beat Bischoff's Nitro badly, then Russo took Bischoff's job, and Russo owned Bischoff & Hogan at BATB, and Bischoff still hates Russo for it to this day. WCW became unwatchable towards the end of 1998. The Hogan Show over and over.

He didn't kill WCW but he's definitely bitter, delusional and lies. Eric knows Russo was better than him creatively and costed him his job at WCW in '99

Don't blame Tony. It was Eric bischoff's move to veto or not.

Agreed. WCW was unwatchable & ran off the audience to RAW, way before Russo ever got there. Russo's RAW beat Bischoff's Nitro badly, then Russo took Bischoff's job, and Russo owned Bischoff & Hogan at BATB, and Bischoff still hates Russo for it to this day.

- 2002, Hogan is still the most over person in wrestling and Vince is forced to put the belt on him. Anyways back to the fake news world of the dirtsheets, don't mind me injecting reality.

@@RG-lr4pk Hogan is steroided up racist trash 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Most overrated 3 move person in history of the world

Russo always blames Hogan. The issue of Russo saying that Hogan did not want to lose to Jeff Jarrett, as if Jeff Jarrett was bringing money and rings to WCW, as if Jeff Jarrett was the answer to Austin and Rock at the time! I don't blame Hogan if he wants to win. Jeff was at the Main Event the entire time of Russo and all of his ideas did not work, so why does he put the blame on Hogan? I wonder why Booker T puts the blame on Hogan and they talk as if everything was fine until Hogan decided to win against Jeff. Hogan was losing to everyone like Kidman, Vampiro, The Wall, and others. He agreed with all the losing decisions. And yet they say that he only thinks about himself??? He lost to everyone and Russo's plans did not succeed, so why are they surprised that he wants to win over Jeff ? The decision for Hogan to win over Jeff Jarrett was before the decision for Booker to win over Jeff. But Booker T speaks as if the decision from the beginning was for him to wrestle Jeff, as if the original main event for Bash at the Beach was a Jeff vs. Booker T match, as if Hogan tried to get Booker out of the match, and this of course is all untrue. The original decision a month or so ago was for Hogan to win over Jeff. When Hogan challenged Kidman at the Great American Bash, he told him that if I beat you, Kidman, I would wrestle the champion at Bash at the Beach. This was all the original decision from the beginning. Therefore, Booker T has no right to speak as if Hulk tried to steal his moment by winning the title, the decision of which came late behind Hogan’s back.

That's true and WCW had truly become the Hogan show. Bischoff, Hogan & Nash's stuff in 98 and 99 was so boring.

Benoit, Malenko, and Saturn didn't exactly become big stars in the WWE system either, so the question has to be asked: were they really anything other than midcard/undercard guys who had delusions of grandeur?

To play devils advocate, what was Hogan supposed to do at that point in his career? Let everybody beat him? Hulk did what he had to do to stay on top and make the most money he could. Cant blame him for that. All those guys below him would have done the same.

Dislikes is an understatement

that's the biggets understatement since Churchill said "we should keep an eye on that Hitler character, he seems a bit odd"

It's childish

Russo outperformed Cornette in both WWF and TNA. Took Cornette's job both times. Doing a style of wrestling that Cornette hates. and Cornette doesn't have the maturity to deal with it.

@@GeneLasker3 Cornettes criticism is the same as what most people say about Russo, once you remove the profanity and death threats. Russo is good at starting something, but he has no idea of where it is going, how to make stars out of it. Russo worked in WWE as he had others to help filter his ideas, much the same in TNA. But even then, the stars broke out in WWE once he was gone, and in TNA he would get something going only to kill it. He's not a long term booker, his style is flash, bang, done.