Erinn Andrews, Former Stanford Admissions Officer, Video Case Study #2 

+Sam Avion lmao mess

Sometimes being popular means being successful, so that is not an irony, is it?

+Aviion My school president was impeached for giving out free prom tickets.

being popular means quite a lot

Same, in my school they get elected because they know the most people or because they are physically attractive

Your nothing than a number to colleges

Not to colleges like stanford

Shana Vaid yup... you could probably get into Stanford with a 3.8 UW GPA and above average extra curriculars with amazing essays

Alyssa Schultz when you type "your" instead of "you're", you know you will never get into these schools.

Shana Vaid bitch no1 cares where you got accepted everyone is getting the same piece of paper after four years

Rachel P IKR! Like during the summer, I have to work more to save up for college, I do not have the time nor the money to fly myself to Germany. This is bs.

It clearly represents the type of student that will attend the school though, which I don't see myself collaborating with tbh

Some people are more privileged than others and can totally afford to go to Germany :).

There are major programs in the US that help high school students study abroad. I attend a very low income school and yet there have been students flying to Europe and Central America as well as students attending expensive summer precollege programs nearly for free, including myself. Also, these opportunities were not offered by my school. I say this because this is Stanford, incredibly competitive and I assume they want to have students that at least have a general idea in what they’re interested in and actually pursued those interest in high school.

IKR! “Well he could have gone to Germany for the summer and done an environmental program” is basically admitting you would have given preference to someone w/ a ton of money.

Yes, the reason is that in 2020, no one works at the same job forever. No Admissions Officer stays for more than 10 years.

She wanted him to do stuff with a theme, nothing connected.

Desirae Downing all his ecs's are unrelated. showing that he probably just did them all to look good on his application, not because he was actually really into them. many kids make this mistake because they don't realize that the admissions team is looking for one or two ecs that extend into further depth, rather than 30 random activities that look good.

@@PoojaG2010 while i do see that point and understand it I do think its unfair for universities to expect this out of their students in their TEENS It like they are casting roles and if you have too broad of an application even though it kicks ass, they won’t let you in because you don’t specialize in one thing thus you won’t fit a specific role I would see how this makes sense for grad school, but i think its unfair on high schoolers that are getting to know themselves

@@priscilamorales6997 I understand what you're saying but this is the case for one of the best universities in the entire world. If they don't hold this level of expectations, then anyone would be able to get into the best. In terms of a general state university like UFlorida or UMichigan, this would definitely be more than enough to get in so I don't think it's fair to generalize "universities" from a video meant for Stanford applicants.

Umich is a public Ivy tho, I’m pretty sure it’s really difficult to get in.

I watched saving Private Ryan so I classify myself as a war hero, such bs

@@hyperion6218 i mean tbf he could literally just be using books

Emma Johnson if he’s applying for Stanford he’s got to have some money😂

but it'll help you to learn the language better, and the accent too.

Arne Noori totally wrong

I think she meant the student should go to Germany for translation at/after college. She's trying determine what he would do on campus.

She should make me a sammich

"He taught himself German that's incredible...it's too bad though cus he didn't GO to Germany so sorry lol"

RockOn the Ivies and the like want a "well-rounded class" so theyre looking at specific students.

LandInbetween Actually THEY don't want a a well rounded student because those students may be a jack of all trades but is a master of none. They want a well rounded class not students.

It appears dehumanizing... but colleges are tasked to compare your application against 100s of others.

“oh no i didnt get into the college of my dreams” boo frickin hoo

thats only the tests he took too, he couldve taken more AP classes but only 3 tests

Besides, AP tests are expensive these days. Nearly $100 per test. Not everybody could afford that.

ThrtLvlJuke no I think those are all the APs he took... Tests are just ways to gauge college credits you don't need to send scores in

People have to remember this is Stanford- however the 35 is amazing

You don't know how competitive these universities are...

did you guys get in

Shana Vaid those are very good schools which one are you going to?

Shana Vaid Do you have any tips? I genuinely dream of getting into Dartmouth but I think they'd throw out my application as soon as they go over it.

I went to Germany and published a case study last year with college students when I was 15 years old - I’m also very low income but guess what: I fundraised and got scholarships. There’s always a way to do it, just use your resources.

My godmother worked in a lab at Stanford for 30 years. She told me on her deathbed that she had offered to my dad to get us 3 kids in for free and no application (employee benefit). She made that offer first for my brother in 1970 right before the tech boom took off. Dad refused because he wanted to keep us on the farm. She kept her tongue all those years.

thebigtortuga president it is but being a vp, secretary, treasurer, and public relations is a whole chunk of work load we have a huge school with over 3,000 students so it's not a joke but probably in most schools it is

Right. You only get voted if your popular

Marilyn Natalí Sandoval For us all positions are voted in by the students so it’s basically a popularity contest, so it shouldn’t count for anything. We have over 2000 students and I acknowledge that they do work but they still don’t earn their position really

TheAppleworker but the SAT score is even better. XD xD xD xD xD xD !!!!!!!!! Wtf

Edison Tenecela Because it is. You can still get more than a few problems wrong and end up with a 35 you know

Ham Foodstamp but the number of incorrect answers for a 35 would roughly translate to a similar score on the SAT that he earned. Go look at any SAT to ACT conversion chart and you'll see a 2360 translates to a 35.

xPhobophobia look at percentiles though. 2360 is more rare

I wish I had someone to push me hard when I was in high school. These schools have the correct mindset. They mold the highest productive members in our society and they don’t have time to groom a mundane applicant. If the student doesn’t exemplify this, don’t apply to top schools. Everyone isn’t intended to be at that level of academia. Also, excellence is subjective to your own person. Excellence from the school’s perspective is according to the criteria set by that school.

ya she is the worst

I mean... yeah it would be. I'm not sure about you but being a president of a club takes a veRY long time out of your day and to create as well as be the president of 6+ clubs would be impossible for your average high schooler to complete unless they just didn't have a sleep schedule or a social life. If you found a person who claimed to have travelled to every single nation in the world at age 40 I bet you'd be highly suspicious of that as it'd be very difficult to visit every single nation at that age unless you lied.

jo ratner preach. they're going to college to eventually be able to do this stuff. if they had that kind of money they wouldn't even have to attend xD

@@hayesleo6043 The arrogance. My school offered "cheap" class trips to European countries. It was like $2500. No thanks.

? Are u kidding me 3 APs is a joke, I took 5 in just one year - will have over 10 by end of high school

+MopTopRock congrats, you either are just naturally gifted or have an easy AP curriculum. No on I know has ever said taking 3 APs is nothing.

+MopTopRock congrats, you either are just naturally gifted or have an easy AP curriculum. No on I know has ever said taking 3 APs is nothing.

Neither, I work my ass off just like many ohter kids at my school - and I wouldnt consider any of APs "easy" especially (BC calc, Comp gov, Physics C, Bio, Lit)

MopTopRock I meant as in your school might just be so easy that the APs aren't as hard. That's what happened at my old school. the normal classes I take at my current school are harder than my APs there.

Juan Perez You're right. Still, its a little scary that someone like me could be denied admission to college just because I'm really shy and pretty busy on school days.

ECs really are to show how u spend ur time. If you're "pretty busy on school days" then consider putting down what you do, whether it be family responsibilities, a job, etc.

lol someone's justifying their low achievement in school...

This is so true

Are they counting the Senior classes or just Junior and below?

Christopher McKeithen well the video was made with 'cases' so they don't show the identity of the real person and get a possible law suit over it. This is not how all colleges look at applications, many colleges do it differently.

+Christopher McKeithen It depends on the employers. Almost zero employers will even consider for one millisecond of accepting your degree from an infamous for-profit degree mill. There are also extremely few employers who only hire graduates from Ivy League universities. Either way, in most cases, I extremely highly recommend for students to apply to an in-state university for their undergraduate years only if they're planning to major in something that cannot be easily self-taught on their own without college or if they're in desperate need of that fancy piece of paper.

Abdallah Mefleh my left ear enjoyed putting it out

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@@gabydiaz9986 They're all private videos

Is there any way I can access a public version? Because I do not have access for the private ones

Are you sure the 4.1 is unweighted? did you count the ap classes

Emmarellda1 I meant weighted. I obviously not unweighted. The max is 4.0

Zishawn Malik oh sorry i didnt read correctly. I was so confused 😆

Emmarellda1 its cool. Everyone makes mistakes

I’d say u probably have a good chance but be careful and pray that u apply to the right schools for u

Simply having a list of accomplishments does not give admissions officers sufficient information to "see through" a student. There's no way that the only thing he wrote in his essay is that he taught himself German and wrote a short story without elaborating on either of those achievements. She reduced his application to a list, and then complained about it being a list. It's ridiculous.

Yeah obviously essays matter but a lot of people think that just joining a bunch of clubs is the way to get into college and this video debunks that. She did say that we would want to see context within his essays but when looking at ECs it’s totally understandable that someone with that slate seemingly lacks direction

Nicholas Pipitone A- is a thing

I'm thinking after a unbiased consideration 5's across the board are the most rigorous academic schedule that he can handle . not on your level for sure but running you in a parrelell universe to the 10th power.

Not the president? LOL.

While I'm just a senior in hs, so I'm by no means an expert in the admission process, I believe that the feasibility of doing 6 clubs would depend on (1) how impressive these 6 clubs are, and (2) how related those clubs are. For example, the "Harry Potter Club" is probably less of a time commitment than say, debate or a sports team. In addition, having 6 clubs that are for the most part all related to biology or language or dance or whatever is a lot more plausible and impressive than having them in completely unrelated topics (like the student in the video). It's a lot more believable that a person would be interested in one given subject, and thus have an office in 3 clubs related to that subject, than a person be an officer in three highly unrelated and very difficult clubs. Focusing on one subject/activity also shows more focus, and implies a genuine passion and interest rather than the suspicion that you're just doing these clubs for college admissions. What admissions officers are really looking for a sort of "theme" in your application. They want to know if you are an "athlete" or an "artist" or a "musician" or a "science geek" or what-have-you. That gives them an idea of how you'll contribute to the school and campus life.

That's not even close to significant. Sorry? Lol.

Yeah dude, being an actually involved president takes a hell of a lot of work especially with a loaded class schedule. I doubt someone could be a GOOD president of more than 2 or 3 (mayyybe) clubs. Its too much.

Elizabeth Gatz yeah I’m wondering the same thing

I know it's a bit late and you're most likely already a college graduate but it was recently discovered what IB is like: A lot of colleges are heavily bipolar in how they treat IB but the best way to describe IB's relationship to AP is: AP Gives you a lot of college credit but doesn't substantially improve your chances of getting into a college IB Gives you next to 0 college credit, but your chances of getting to a prestigious university skyrocket. Generally, for most people attempting to make it into a prestigious university I would suggest getting into IB Diploma as the amount of money you'd save from taking AP classes would be offset from the scholarships and financial aid that the schools are most likely going to give you. However, if you don't have plans on getting into a highly prestigious school and are content with a good/great school (i.e school's under the top 100) then take AP classes as the chances of you getting financial aid are lowered and if you take enough AP classes it'll offset any benefits from IB at this level of schools.

Dry and emotionless. And how can a perhaps lower income public school kido a "neat thing" like just go over to Germany to bolster his interests and help a "theme" come through with his application? How elitist. Only affluent kids will pass the bar with this gal.

Not all applicants have the $$ to do "neat things" like go to Germany to add to their resume.

i’m in the exact same boat. what college so you attend now?

@@donnakona7615 ...You can attend other colleges that are prestigious, you're just not required to attend Stanford. An example of the kind of school you can attend would be Pepperdine University in Malibu, California. Pepperdine is ranked #49-131 (depending on which school ranking you look at) and generally have degrees that are comparable to Stanford or the UC system. The average GPA of a Pepperdine freshman is a 3.5 and the average SAT of a Pepperdine student is a 1350 IIRC. It's really easy to score an admissions in Pepperdine with the grades you have.

They give your essay good consideration, which is your window of opportunity to show your personality.

but your gpa and sat scores are not good so that does make sense, you overloaded you time which resulted in the the lower gpa and scores.

Adrian Alonso its your gpa that got you rejected i bet. Showed that while you took college level work you couldnt handle it, stanford classes surely cant be easy

Adrian Alonso You had a very poor GPA and very mediocre SAT. You kinda overloaded yourself here and in the process fucked yourself

i mean those are pretty standard things. I have a 1590 SAT, was president of multiple clubs, won several olympiad awards at the national and international level,etc and was rejected by all of the Harvard, Princeton, etc schools I applied to. You need to REALLY stand out.

You can't lie about grades or recommendations. You are required to send an official trascript and Collegeboard sends your SAT/AP scores. There are cases of people who have had offers recinded for lying on their application.

Yes, That's when it starts.