Escaping NXIVM: Behind the investigation of the alleged sex cult 

u think she joined the class trying to recruit?

@@user-bw6pt9dy6f lol thats what i was thinking.

id heard she attended class after leaving nxim and was then kicked out of class because they didnt feel comfortable... i dont think she was recruiting you i think she might have just wanted a friend

Sounds like she was undercover when you said she never showed up for any exams & was trying to get you to open up to her she was looking for recruits but she was selective about who she chose.

you probably weren't hot enough to be recruited

yeah, that says a lot from the start

A coworker asked too make a sales pitch to me and my wife. I was young and sure but only if it isn’t Amway! He said no. I said how long will the presentation be 45-60 minutes. I said perfect I have too leave at a certain time. I gave him a start time. He makes his presentation and 1/4 way through I figure out it is Amway operation just name change. I took him by the collar and opened the door. He never spoke to me again and I was fine with that. Every time I saw him I saw myself shaking his head like marques.

renoloverxoxo yesss

Amway owned by DeVos family.

Everyone i ever met that worked for Amway was Always borderline narcissistic!!!

Wow 😳..... reading your comment this morning made me realize how far reaching this dangerous man... and group has been. It also gave me enough motivation to make a change in my own life for the better. Thx for the comment, you will never know how your plain and simple truth/words came to me at the perfect moment. 🙏

Thank goodness you didn’t fall for it!!!! ♥️♥️♥️

You have good critical thinking 👌

Tell us more about her...what was she like? And those eyebrows...good God. She needed to pluck them in a permanent glazed grin position, to cover her misery, I’m assuming. Oh my. She looked so snowed.

@@quintuplebanned4267 I met her when they were out networking and asking for people who were coaches or looking into personal improvement. Someone gave her my name since I am a life coach. So I agreed to meet her. She talked about how their material was so much better than anything out there in the field of personal development. But I'd been coached by some pretty amazing people. She "coached" me right there in starbucks. Her technique was good, but nothing I hadn't done myself or been exposed to, but then I had also had exposure to very skilled coaches. I'm sure they would have taken my money but I wasn't interested. The red flags were the emphasis on ONE leader - the elusive Keith who was such a genius AND that their material was so amazing it was patented and couldn't be used outside their organization. I don't think any organization has all the answers and when any organization or religion claims to have the answers vs. one's own inner guidance, that's a huge red flag. Spiritual leaders should be helping people find the answers within themselves. I think the few who achieve success through being the leader of a movement are easily seduced by their own power and are then drawn into feeding their egos. And unchecked egos are bottomless pits which can never be satisfied, and can only lead to massive destruction......... like our current president for example.

LOL!

True enough 😂🤣😄

Ew. But 🤣🤣🤣.

Ha ha ha ha ha

I hope so

..while remaining aware that many predators lurk in those orbits too . .

Women followed him out of ambition to be 'superior' to everyone else, which is a way of selling your soul. Otherwise they would have walked away when the branding iron came out, instead of regarding it as putting them in a special class of women. The time for gurus in the US was about 1970-80. After than, the cutting edge of higher human unfoldment moved on to higher and more subtle methods. If anyone had tried branding people then, it would not have taken on. The branding was done over the sacral chakra, the emotional centre, and breathing IN the pain was to deepen and intensify the pain/shock/trauma factor. Things become more gentle and subtle when conscious is raised, not more blatant and grotesque.

Uber libs

Amen!

@Jake Dean Do you have trouble with reading comprehension? I didn't say that the people to seek out in volunteer organizations was those being served there. I said that the people who volunteer would be a better model to take after if you are interested in being a kind-hearted person who actually helps society. Probably filled with more people who would be more trustworthy than those you find at over-priced, feel good seminars and you would probably find more useful lessons too.

That's in SANE!!! I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE HOW THIS WILL END. I WANT TO SEE ##EMILIANOSALINAS IN JAIL!! HE'S WAS K. RENIERI RIGHT HAND MAN IN MEXICO!!! SALINAS IS THE SON OF FORMER MEXICAN PRESIDENT CARLOS SALINAS.... A BLOODY PRESIDENT HE WAS!!!! THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!

In a tattoo parlour?

@M B I hope that's true. She should never practice again. I even question her being able to do volunteer medical work given the extreme sadism of her acts.

Darren Willett Amazing what money does. She probably has paid someone to back off. Vicious cycles everywhere.

I'm horrified!! I hope her name was publicised

They made this a couple of years ago. They didnt know. Glad that guy got plenty of jail time.

this was made two years ago

@Lee 1227 yup.

@Edipus T Rexx thank you

Thank you! I am glad he’s gotten as much time behind bars as he did. Let’s just hope he doesn’t end up with a new DOS program. Well, if he’s in jail, it’d need to be named something like DUDES instead of DOS!!!

The Seduced documentary is better. It’s also better than this 20 minute rundown, although it’s shorter.

@@quleughy Which one? Link maybe? Plz...😚🙏🤝

Link?

good to know

He barely passed his regular classes at a technical college, and had a C average. NYT said his claims of Guiness listing him as the smartest person in the world, were also BS. He didn't even make a US top 10 list. The IQ test was probably an online, 10 question, 'Where's Waldo' quiz, if that. There are no actual records of him having anything but basic schooling. Wouldn't an insanely smart person graduate early, or skip grades if speaking and reading at an extremely advanced level? He barely seems to understand any of the polysyllabic words he spewed, in hopes of impressing young, ignorant girls.

@@lynnlynn9124 Love it! The ones who tout their own brilliance are seldom, if ever, brilliant.

@@lisamcdonald2877 Notice how proven Mensa level geniuses like Einstein and Stephen Hawking never called themselves geniuses.

4G12 According to Albrecht Fölsing's Einstein biography Einstein was an exceedingly modest person who never aggrandized himself. However he knew his worth and made exorbitant wage demands, which the universities usually agreed to pay.

MsBlueRyan If he was able to charm women, who were consenting adults with full mental faculties, and they offered themselves to him, why should that be a crime on his part? If fooling morons is a crime, then every religious leader should be in jail.

Evil!

He specifically says Allison Mack was

Witches Bane Covering their pedo trafficking by exposing just this aspect of the cult. divert attention away from child trafficking by shocking us with harem admissions. Slick

564markis almost all donated to Democrats specifically Killery Clinton

Witches Bane ...hmm, apparently so.

Just because he used a MLM platform doesn't mean all MLM businesses are schemes or evil.

Just like Christianity and all religion

Scientology was literally based off of occultism/Satanism. He gave it the name "scientology" to conceal that fact. L Ron Hubbard's son said that in an interview and that interview is on RU-vid.

@@nomdeplume2213 well said

Just like Pimpology!

Good question! ✔

1337S0lja it's a Personality Disorder the DSM calls Narcissistic Personality Disorder...HIGH on the spectrum lol. Not funny, disturbing...

'I am no longer I but a hollow tube to bring fire down from heaven''. The question is good cuz you either have to remove the conscious I, the ego, to become one with the whole set- setting- natural relation to life but on the other side, it is all about the conscious I that wants this. Which one is it? - To lose your ego like some guru or in a monastery or try to make your Ego = to the spirit of nature?

Exactly

I think he just reached a point where his ego became so big he was too close to actually see its size

we can be leaders too. I coached my sons team and all the kids loved me except the one kid who thought he was going to do what he wanted and not run plays. We won the championship too. I was always the leader on my teams growing up too since I was the best player the majority of the time.

So you're saying you're a sociopath or a psychopath with a high IQ who can also coach his son's team? lol I'm thinking you didn't exactly understand what I wrote. But nice to know your sons team did very well. Congrats!

From what I got it just seems like you don't think sociopaths are capable of doing the same things as "normal" people. Like we're missing something. I'm sure some are. They are more than just sociopaths in my opinion. They have other issues too. Or some are just psychopaths who feel no empathy ever, so it's easier for them to commit crimes and not care about hurting anyone.

Eric Bogar So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. If you are so self enlightened, do think it is possible to work on yourself and change-for the good? Because as someone who was very miserably married to a narcissistic sociopath, it was a living hell.

So you ARE self identifying asa sociopath! That is really something-never seen that before. Wrong, im exactly like him, dont worry i dont need to change , im no married :D

They're insane or on drugs.

Then I guess I would seem disingenuous to you. I like smiling it makes me feel happier.

Personally, I feel there are two ways to smile that say what this guy is referring to and then what others feel like is there personal pure joy! The former being, showing a big teeth smile that never changes and the later oscillates with simply being human as emotions change.

@@abelmcguire6252 I would say there are hundreds of different ways to smile. I usually have a slight smile with no teeth on my face simply because if I don't it looks like I'm angry.

I agree.. It's the same ick factor that occurs when someone intentionally uses your name in conversation. In particular when someone isn't that close to you and intentionally engages in a manner that is too familiar. It's sleaze detection #101

Wow!!! I'm so happy you didn't get involved in this! Bless your heart & intuition 🙏🏻💕

What is divine guidance?

Not exactly

Whoa

I be-lie-ve it was the Roman Catholic Empire that started that "'Master over Slave" Caste Beast System! They sure were sick and sadistic and Democide was their favorite Sport and Control Mechanism! Obviously nothing has changed in the 21st Century!

And lol reps lingerie over leggings

That's not quite the translation. I think they made a mistake

acid?

low self esteem

He seems to come across like some vaguely hippyish college philosophy professor

He has such a crazy , weird look in his eyes when he speaks with people. Not to mention 90 percent of his ideologies made NO sense intuitively . He wasn’t even wise . As I watched the docu, I was like what? How are people falling for his “wisdom and genius”. The only thing genius about him was his manipulation skill and ability to lure people into his trap

@@danaprovenzano3961 don't forget, it wasn't just him. There was also Nancy Salzman doing a lot of the public work. It is sad that these people didn't do their research into Consumers Buyline before committing to Nxivm.

No doubt

Reminds me of Charles Manson

Jin Jones was an intelligent man..but not real smart.

Well said

Very good analogy!

Yes, family being a microcosm, I have a family member who is narcissistic and it created complete dysfunction and destruction.

@@stj971 I understand completely. Healing prayers to you... it's no easy path to break away.. 🙏🌻

Yep.......

Denise Hopper lol I got a score of 150 I’m a genius I’m gonna start a cult too

Me too. Damn it, I thought I was special. 😂

😂🤣😅

That’s too funny 😂

He took the Mega Society entrance exam, which is a highly controversial gauge. Mega Society insists their 48-question exam, taken by a few hundred people a year, can determine whether your intelligence is in the top .0001% of humanity. Anyone who understands probability or statistics or both understands this claim has not been established, and almost certainly can't be true. The smartest humans on earth recognize these tests are garbage and don't waste their time on them.

he’s just doing his job. A lawyer has an ethical obligation to set aside their feelings and put forward the best possible defense they can for their client. And that’s a good thing. Everyone, no matter what they’re accused of, has the right to a legal defense by competent attorney. That said, Keith Raniere is a monster and I’m sure Marc Agnifilo’s best efforts won’t keep him from getting what he rightly deserves: decades on federal prison. But Agnifilo isn’t being slimy, he’s doing what he’s supposed to do.

@@joeray7899 But he is being slimy, telling lies in the name of defending your client is wrong and slimy, not just giving him his best defense. And lawyers at his level choose their clients, and their price. He's in it for the money, not the justice of providing legal aide to an accused citizen. Doing wrong or illegal things for money is the definition of slimy.

Patrick Raymond too bad he is poor at defending his client... funny

It’s probably more about power. Power about women, in this case.

👏👏👏

Well said!!

I agree with another response, that is, this case is about power. We see it everyday, however society has a great ability to compartmentalize and justify the actions of one group while recognizing the horrors of groups using the same manipulations. Look at our current political atmosphere and groups gaining traction like Q’anon. Are we capable of intellectual honesty when we are motivated by fears or things we do not understand?

Sunk cost fallacy, exactly

Exactly. The more you've already poured into the black hole, the more totally unacceptable the idea that it is a black hole becomes. You have to either keep believing the delusion or accept the crash of your entire worldview.

the mormon dude got caught, just some how (sorta) runs it from jail.

There is no REAL "Mormon" dude running things from jail. That guy you're referring to is a cult leader. He has absolutely nothing to do with the over 17 million people of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's frustrating for me, a regular good person who knows better, to see people confuse my faith with a relatively small group of cultists living in a secret society in the middle of the desert. I feel sorry for any of the sincere people stuck out there and especially the poor children in that cult led by that guy in jail. (I hope they still don't follow him.) Peace.

@@lorielizabethwade7505 you sincerely believe that a convicted con man found golden tablets that only he could see and read then he needed help to write down what was on the tablets because he could not write and read......... Seems legit

Lori Elizabeth Wade Mormonism is nothing but a generic Americanised christian cult.

Still an american "christian" cult and i agree. Abrahamic religions was the worse thing that could have happened to the Western Civilization. The greek Gods teach about our lives and destinies , how someone reaching for the warrior path was going to end up following a set of archetypes (like mars) how a charismatic politician was going to end or follow the steps of Jupiter,etc . The christian god is ambiguos and alien to true western culture.

Because this article is being reported by the MEDIA

Where does it say about child abuse?

@@Aggrobiscuit I look at the warrant it doesn't mention that. Go check it and hyperlink me the source.

Probably because it’s a sensitive topic, especially since this doc was made when the charges were still in court.

They made videos on this topic after this one

I'm not saying that he has a high IQ... but just because he's in jail and you're not doesn't mean he isn't a genius. Ego can take over intellect in a heart beat. Maybe he got over-confident and didn't think he was going to be caught for anything.... then "voila".... now he's sitting in jail.

Jack Thompson: IQ has nothing to do with wisdom / wise life choices. One can have a low IQ and still possess the wisdom and integrity to stay out of jail (barring being framed). One can be brilliant and have minimal moral character.

Yup. An intelligent person knows their limits. Stupidity breeds greed to the point of self sabotage.

Thank you

Technically even if he did have an IQ of 240 he doesnt now because the older you get, generally the lower your iq is being that age is the denominator in the equation

Thanks!

He took Ron L Hubbard’s theory of ... create a religion and you will be rich.

He actually used part of scientology theory in creating nxvim theory

This was my first thought. He's a less successful L. Ron Hubbard.

Sharon MarieB q

Bryn Stuart Jones , the difference is that Scientology pays its bills to the right people, corrupted government. These people got caught for not paying bills thinking they were all covered.

People that don't believe in this stuff that you are trying to wake up aren't going to listen unless you come off soft like this. It's sad.

He knows how to manipulate would be enough

many serial killers / psycopaths / sociapaths have high IQs &/or are charismatic - IMO they arent saying he was 'brilliant' (thats your word/impression) - they are just acknowledging certain facts about him that caused this eg he had a very high IQ, was very charismatic & was a successful business man - doesnt make him any less of a 'monster' - it actually makes him worse than your average sociopath as he was probably very aware of what he was doing

Exactly as John Foy pointed out, he is indeed brilliant. But he didn't use his brilliance for good. Many people who have done horrible things are extremely intelligent.

He did get three degrees from RPI. My theory is that he is collecting women for post-apocalyptic repopulation efforts.

The true answer to your question is politically incorrect but there is a answer

Also to a large degree these people should take responsibility and accountability for themselves for allowing them to become sheeple and being manipulated.

@@vadeultramusic but at the same time these people are not helpless victims.

Not as effectively as in the past, though. The thing about Scientology's target audience is that they're generally wealthy, well-connected people who CAN find a way out.

Graham Strouse - and targeting hard working and/or desperate people who’d be willing to join their Sea Org (and prolly other groups within the cult) to carry out the jobs the wealthier members won’t do.

Graham Strouse You should check where they’ve opened a major new center in Dublin, in one of the city’s poorest, most socioeconomically deprived areas.

They've bought out essential parts of the cities in which they reside including the police departments so it doesnt shock me that they havent yet been prosecuted.

@@vercoda9997 apparently they buy a lot of property but don't do anything with it to give the illusion that Scientology is still expanding.

@James Black pills!

With tons of cash on his bed for defending his clients.

He’s the same type of person basically 😥

Hell no

And why Kirsten Gilibrand and Hillary Clinton's connections to the group were not explored. Or why they didn't talk about NXIVM's hacking of MANY high profile executives and politicians. Yeah, really light on the real issues behind this story.

Alex jones would say CBC is part of the trade and want u to forget by erasing it and highlighting other sick crimes

​@@realslimtone because you read a photoshopped indictment

@@PureAmericanPatriot because you read a photoshopped indictment

They updated with this info in a later video

@Sharon MarieB geeze calm down

@Sharon MarieB aaaaarrrrrrlright captain capslock!

I can't. She is my Lover.

Mick Berry she’s only your lover if you go out and get those recruits

@@rcalphonse2701 you sound jealous. 😍

Right? Maybe they did.

Oh good point.

They probably tried.

Although, it was kind of odd listening to his parents distance themselves from him and explain his behavior simply by saying “we sat him down when he was little and told him he was very special.” And ever since he acted like he was better than everyone. ? They didn’t have any obligation to explain their son’s actions but then again they didn’t have to give an interview either. I looked all over but that was the only comment they ever made trying to rationalize his early behavior.

Probably embarrassed

It’s so interesting. North America seems to be a hot spot for cults. I wonder why? Too many empty & unhappy souls under the star spangled banner?

I'm sorry honey. R you ok?

@@reflections4me Oh hun, you are such a beautiful human being for saying all of this. But, Nexium is a drug that I am prescribed for my acid reflux and I thought everyone knew about Nexium, as it has had so many commercials and is available over the counter, so I expected everyone to understand the joke. I'm sorry. You do lend more hope for humanity though, Blessed Be.

@@sdidora5 Thank you, sweetheart. I do actually have horrific acid reflux, among the 20 or more chronic illness that I have and your concern is lovely. But yes, it is a joke because Nexium is what I take for it. I just thought everyone knew what Nexium was and that it was silly that a cult was named that. Blessed Be.

Isis Blackfeather Funny! It's weird that NXIVM doesn't really have any meaning, like an acronym or an abbreviation for something, but it is pronounced "Nexium."

@@mpemberton7760 Exactly.

It's called acting. Her and the rest of hollyweird

Just pure garbage out of his mouth. It comes to tell you ppl have a tough time differentiating between confidence and brilliance

Well, Raniere IS in jail

MegaTriumph1 Allison Mack has been arrested and I think her bail is a million..I'm not sure if she out yet..but I herd she totally throwing him under the bus.

There's bigger fish to fry, and its not Raniere.

@@erikkajuvonen8030 Allison Mack is out on bail but is on house arrest. She is currently living with her parents.

@Parasceve You sound like you fit right into this cult. Worthless worm.

Nancy salzman is also guilty and should be investigated.

She angers me more than anything. Except for the Salzmans!! Ugh 🤦‍♀️

Allison is a talented , beautiful but troubled young lady . Don't kick her when she is down , don't dog her out .

His lawyer sounds just as misogynistic so it suits.

Me too, they give a new meaning to Educated Fools and they have no morals whatsoever. They sold their souls, for a chance to make worthless money

Yeah and he is not even attractive at all! I couldn't even kiss him...GAG

I read Sarah's book and she was told by Lauren, her best friend in NXIVM, that it would be a tattoo the size of a dime. She apparently didn't know until the ceremony.

A lawyers job is to take an angle, it's not "scary".

@@andyd6338 That is my emotional response to his angle.

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Full on abuser...nothing mini about it. But I got your thinking!!

While I don’t condone her behaviour and agree she should do jail time she must have been dreadfully brutalised too... this cannot be what she wanted for her life

Not watching Smallville.

Yeah she needs to go to prison

I'm disappointed with her sentence. I understand she squealed like a pig and gave some vital information to prosecutors (and I also happen to love her as an actress) but she should have gotten 10-15 years at least for what she did. She traumatized so many people. The plea deal angle is just misused by people.

In January, I was passing the necessary procedures before preparing for an exploratory lap. The doctors found ulcer of duodenum. I was shocked. They prescribed a strict diet and a bunch of pills; Nexium 40 Mg was in the list of the drugs. The term of treatment was 7 days. I read about the side effects in the instruction at vaigra.top/buy-nexium-usa.html and was scared. But, fortunately, I haven’t experienced any side effects. I had re-gastroscopy in 7 days. Both voila and ulcer were healed. Then I was taking Nexium at the dosage of 1 pill a day.

Your mother’s basement.

I don't think love was involved in the polywhatever you call it.

You look great! How’d you like to join my club?

And I cannot imagine what she put so many through either. :-( Being bubbly and adorable was her best role ever.

She is very personable. I can see the attraction. Beautiful smile. But man she had an empty soul. I pity her. But still want her locked up. At some point we all know when we’re doing wrong. She’s so broken.

I Was Gonna say the same thing😀 So Obvious..I can see rgt through him..Hes so transparent💯👈💯👈

Lauren or Nancy?

3331CUR4ntSaturnVI E. Javier Their father is a big supporter of "Israel".

Could not have said it better.

His penchant for 'word salad' may have been a gaslighting tactic- he wants people to think they're not smart enough to understand him. He tried it on the NXIVM 9, and it's a lot less effective when your targets are coordinated with each other and agree you're speaking gibberish. After three days, sweating bullets, he gave up and told them he'd killed people in order to scare them silent.

In Fact, a little too well. Wonder if Allison let him _"*hit*" "*it*"_ at one point. If so, let him pull down his pants and show us the _"burned in brand"_ .

Link?

Thanks, I'm watching them now.

Osho is their inspiration.even the place...oregon.ewh.

That’s Trump in a nutshell.

Convicted 6/19