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eSports Has Ruined Gaming 

Ardrid
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For games like Overwatch, League of Legends, Street Fighter and VALORANT, a scenario where their games die and fail as an eSport is their developers absolute worst nightmare, especially in an era where the expectation is that every new multiplayer game release eventually turns into a hyper competitive Esport, but I feel like that expectation has clouded the judgment of not just a wide part of the gaming community, but even the developers of these games themselves, and I can’t help but feel like both sides are missing the point.
In this video, I will go through the things that people seem to think make good & successful eSports, but are actually not necessary.
00:00 Intro
01:25 Developer Support
03:12 Content Roadmaps
04:47 Balancing
05:52 Angry Rant
06:36 Tekken Tag to Tekken 4 Transition
08:11 Easy to Understand & Watch
08:52 Passionate Community & Tournament Organizers
09:35 Balanced Game Mechanics
11:30 The Dark Side of eSports
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@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
I can see from my analytics that the video is being picked up by the algorithm a bit. Hello to all the new people! I'm working on the script for my next video right now (taking a bit to come together, but its getting there).
@dandarr5035
@dandarr5035 Год назад
lmao I was about to write up a comment about how the video was good, but the title was complete garbage because the title had basically nothing to do with the actual content, but then I got to the very end. I'd still say that the title isn't great, but it certainly works as clickbait, so fair play to you for that. Still a good and thought-provoking video essay nonetheless.
@DseanSupreme
@DseanSupreme Год назад
Glad it did, you earned a sub from me for such a balanced and well done video essay. I kept a close eye on your smash evaluation and you nailed the "imbalanced mechanics" issue with smash 4 perfectly. You definitely know your stuff and made informed arguments. It's pretty refreshing compared to videos that clearly are made to pull views and generate discourse for engagement. (I'm not bothered by clickbaity titles, the content is what matters) I'll be looking forward to your next vid!
@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
@@DseanSupreme The clickbait titles/thumbnails are just there to get people to watch the video/help algorithm, i always make sure to make the content more nuanced and interesting that just a simple "this game bad". Also Smash 4 was pretty much my intro into the FGC/competitive games in general, so I remember it quite well and even have a bit of a soft spot for it, although I know it wasn't a very good game and there's a reason why it died (not just ultimates release). I knew Smash 4 was perfect to bring up in this video when I literally picked a random moment in the first smash 4 set I looked up and saw someone run up spam sheild and then try to grab LOL.
@erak7
@erak7 Год назад
@@Ardrid_ Sad that the algoritm (and people that enter just for the title) work like that but Its the best way to get a video views.
@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
@@erak7 It is what it is, man.
@kj-ng9fo
@kj-ng9fo Год назад
ngl, companies need to stop making their games "competitive" and make a mechanically sound and fun game in the first place, the community will get competitive on its own anyway
@illford6921
@illford6921 Год назад
Tbh for street fighter that was apart of it's design as a 1 vs 1 arcade game
@starburst98
@starburst98 Год назад
Evo moment 37.
@Pikastation28
@Pikastation28 Год назад
THANK YOU it need to be said more.
@jinsjinsjinsji
@jinsjinsjinsji Год назад
you can have both
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe Год назад
This is what none of these companies understand. Esports will be born naturally if there's people that want it. It will NEVER work if it's forced.
@johnny11895
@johnny11895 Год назад
A competitive scene isnt something you create, its something you support
@moonlinemiracle
@moonlinemiracle Год назад
amazing way of putting it
@jimmydvidiot
@jimmydvidiot 11 месяцев назад
Too right! Well said it's the competitors translation of the "field" that IS the play. Not some perfect reaction times and predictable patterns. Good point.
@alex.g7317
@alex.g7317 10 месяцев назад
The way you put it was amazing
@notsoberoveranalyzer8264
@notsoberoveranalyzer8264 10 месяцев назад
You put it in such an amazing way
@lizardguyNA
@lizardguyNA 10 месяцев назад
Screw that, competitive scenes need to die.
@Phosypha
@Phosypha 11 месяцев назад
Watching this 6 months after it was posted and listening to how OW 2 was seen as a success story is wild
@xiopia3940
@xiopia3940 10 месяцев назад
ow2 dead
@xenoder7436
@xenoder7436 10 месяцев назад
I mean, the argument was stupid to begin with OW went free2pay, obviously it gets more players
@TheGP10
@TheGP10 10 месяцев назад
Thank god I wasn’t the only one who thought this, anyone who was inside the overwatch esports community during the transition would easily disagree with this guy’s point on it. While I wholeheartedly agree on the stun problem, to say the looming “2 tank meta” is a game killer, when it was clear both rein+Zarya and winston+dva were beloved 2 tank combos, in addition to so many other tank combos that were fun to watch. No one had a problem with two tanks, EVER. People were scared of the problem of two *shield* tanks Edit: also the too much on screen is a 100% agrre for outsiders, and I’m not sure how it could’ve been fixed. But at the same time I think league of legends suffered from this same issue and they’ve done very well, but there’s always outliners
@TheBestcommentor
@TheBestcommentor 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, that argument kinda made me question the whole video.
@ZombieJeff
@ZombieJeff 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, that’s the point I stopped watching the video, I think the pursuit of esports did more to kill overwatch then his examples.
@helpkirbyhasagun_2047
@helpkirbyhasagun_2047 9 месяцев назад
My personal opinion is that ESports has bred generations of clip hungry, stat addicted, no personality players who only use that the “pros” or influencers use, nobody does their own thing anymore, like you said in the beginning, the announcers try to keep the lights on but nobody’s home, nobody but the top tiers
@ChromeDaimao
@ChromeDaimao 7 месяцев назад
Personally, I don't mind this particular aspect. It's made the average player's strategy extremely predictable and gives me easy wins. It's hilarious to stomp people into the ground as their brains short circuit because you're not playing "the meta." My bigger issue is the "competitive balancing" bullcrap games do these days. They'll absolutely crunch the skill ceiling into the skill floor as hard as they can, noobifying the whole experience and say "look how balanced it is now, no one can do any better than anyone else." That shit makes for a boring to play/watch experience like the video talks about.
@helpkirbyhasagun_2047
@helpkirbyhasagun_2047 7 месяцев назад
@@ChromeDaimao I absolutely love stomping some metahead with a “trash” character/weapon and have their minds blown. Like in Brawlhalla, I absolutely love playing Dusk, nobody plays him and oh boy the amount of thumbs downs I get after beating a scythe player lmao.
@erziocygnus1415
@erziocygnus1415 7 месяцев назад
exactly my thought! the part that nobody does their own thing anymore hits me hard !
@Wierie_
@Wierie_ 6 месяцев назад
RU-vid and twitch are also part of the problem
@fannabeltonakis76206
@fannabeltonakis76206 6 месяцев назад
It's really sad, honestly, it's getting incredibly difficult to spend time with friends in a casual F2P game like you could back in the day in Team Fortress 2 for example. I'm trying to enjoy some time after exam season with some colleagues in a free to play game (cause not all of us own the same games) so we hop on OW/League and are met with hyper competitive players running esports level strats and champs with insanely delicately picked comps and people dodging if you don't play the meta in champ select, all of that in NORMAL QUEUE, sometimes even blind pick! Not to mention all the flaming that happens after the game ends or during it, for seemingly no reason. Not like we care what the enemy team says but why are they taking a normal queue game so seriously? It makes me feel second hand embarrassment that they base their worth so much on whether they win a video game match in a non-ranked gamemode against 5 washed up casual gamers lol. It's insane how bad F2P games have gotten for casual players, even Team Fortress is suffering the same fate, can't join a normal game without 3-4 people in a premade just destroying everyone on the server with 2 pocket medics and soldier/demoman combos, at that point just go play Highlander or UGC, stop polluting casual play and leave the new and casual players alone, the game already has a userbase problem as it is. I don't see why I have to search for community servers where I can get a chance to relax when quickplay is right there in the main menu but it's so bad I'd rather play against bots. Back to Red Dead Redemption 2 for me I guess..
@SkewtLilbttm
@SkewtLilbttm Год назад
Shocked that StarCraft 1 and 2 weren't mentioned as a prime examples of games that got little support but maintained massive playerbases
@Imaltont
@Imaltont Год назад
And also for the balance bit. Especially BW.
@Shmandalf
@Shmandalf Год назад
Thats largely due to the community. A lot of players work full time behind the scenes to make the events happen. Many events are also now crowd funded, too.
@wdililn
@wdililn Год назад
BW had balance patches, not sure how this myth gets perpetuated
@Imaltont
@Imaltont Год назад
@@wdililn I don't see anyone saying it never had any in this thread. My reference to the balance isn't that it never was patched, just the state of balance it reached (though in large part by map design as well), and has had for most of its lifetime.
@aceric1646
@aceric1646 Год назад
Same with tf2. 5 or something years without a single update💀
@LizaPlz
@LizaPlz Год назад
I still find it fascinating that, with most fighting games, the beloved eSports scene was just like a byproduct of people loving the game. I think companies are failing to see that you can't just pump millions of dollars into 'competitive' eSports and watch it grow. the game has to be good first, and somewhat competitive by nature. Halo 5 and how they tried to push eSports with that game is like a perfect case study.
@lyutsy888
@lyutsy888 Год назад
Yeah i wonder what will happen with Project L as it seems its designed as a competitive game in mind
@LizaPlz
@LizaPlz Год назад
@@lyutsy888 im sure it'll be the new standard of what the general public will think of fighting games, given riots such huge presence between valorant and LoL. whatever project L ends up being, outsiders are gonna think that all fighting games are like that.
@lyutsy888
@lyutsy888 Год назад
@@LizaPlz i have high hopes for project l as it will atleast let the new players not have to face all the fighting games bullshit that you have to go through to get into the genre. If veterans dont like it they will just play whatever they have always played
@LizaPlz
@LizaPlz Год назад
@@lyutsy888 elaborate on bullshit
@lyutsy888
@lyutsy888 Год назад
@@LizaPlz paying 60$ for a game and 100$ for dlc on a game they might not even like that has shitty netcode and like only 20 people online who are way better than you. And only singleplayer modes are training and generic arcade mode
@urphakeandgey6308
@urphakeandgey6308 7 месяцев назад
I think Melee is such a gem in the eSports world. It wasn't meant to be competitive and it only became super competitive because people basically broke the game through insanely well-timed moves and turned it into something completely different. The community shaped it into something competitive.
@noakinn
@noakinn 5 месяцев назад
Melee player thinks it only applies to their fighting game
@absqrb
@absqrb 5 месяцев назад
​@@noakinnMy FGC knowledge is about a 1 out of 17 but aren't most fighting games designed with competition in mind? I thought that was a major reason why the genre struggles to bring in new and in comparison smash was made to be a casual party game players
@Pandaxtor
@Pandaxtor 4 месяца назад
Only for the smash players to consistently sabotage their own Esport. Usually when this happens, its the company fault but smash Esport is a special bred.
@declantrickett8593
@declantrickett8593 7 месяцев назад
I think that a major issue that most game companies miss these days is the fun factor. A lot of games these days focus so hard on being cutthroat competitive they forget that a game, at its core, must actually be fun to play.
@0potion
@0potion 4 месяца назад
At this point I basically don't play any multiplayer games unless they are strictly co op. And I refuse to play any live service games because they are designed to eat my time just to keep up, let alone get ahead.
@dab88
@dab88 4 месяца назад
fun isnt as profitable as addiction
@0potion
@0potion 4 месяца назад
@@dab88 True the addiction eventually eats up the source. The more people show all their money into one picular game the less money the other games have to make and there's a lot of people like me who straight up refuse to spend money on any kind of game aside from the initial purchase price. There are actually a lot of games that I refuse to play just because The Only way to enjoy them or keep up with other people is by spending Money. I eat to live, I don't live to eat.... Is substitute food for video games.
@fissavids8767
@fissavids8767 4 месяца назад
@@0potion I used to play so much multiplayer 10 years ago but nowadays I just can't be bothered anymore. they're always such a grind and even co-op games suffer from this.
@aloe7794
@aloe7794 11 дней назад
The thing is, you exactly trade out fun for balance, and you can't make a competitive game fun without making it imbalanced for another side So competitive games are stuck between either being incredibly fun to play and foregoing most of balancing, or being the new "e-sport" and trying to be as balanced as possible to not make people too angry about losing Single player games don't have this issue, which is why I just stick to these, but it's kinda sad that a lot of MP games with great potential sucked bc of this factor..
@crankyhead1089
@crankyhead1089 Год назад
i was surprised when Blizzard announced their ambitious esports scene when Overwatch came out. I always thought that the competitive community of the game needed to grow and test out the game more during ranked seasons. Before that, making huge commercialized events out of the game was gonna be a huge gamble as the balancing issues and core gameplay problems started show. I personally feel it also affected the ranked experience negatively as people took the game too seriously.
@tezminator
@tezminator Год назад
I think Blizzard is putting all their money in esports in recent years because of the whole Warcraft3/DotA fiasco. Their executives saw that a game that was literally born out of one of their own games was profitting bazillions of money and none of that was theirs, so they thought that they could have it for themselves and have since made the devs focus pretty much all their manpower in esports. But they skipped the most crucial part that is mentioned in the video and you said it yourself: the fun and engaging gameplay backed up by an active community.
@lloydpatam4189
@lloydpatam4189 Год назад
I remembered that Jeff said that if there is an esport scene for Overwatch, he hoped that it would grow naturally in one of their old videos.
@GervasiusMC
@GervasiusMC Год назад
the overwatch esport was never fully realized until like a year into the game's lifespan. and when it eventually did, a big portion of the community already quit because the metagame was complete nonsense because they forced the "esports" element to it. early overwatch was one of the must fun experiences with a multiplayer game, and now even if OW2 is significantly better wouldn't match the overall experience I had back then
@tezminator
@tezminator Год назад
@@lloydpatam4189 I haven't seen this video, but I can believe that Jeff was telling truth from his perspective, however the higher-ups may not have shared the same idea as him and we got Overwatch league as we know it now regardless of what he wanted.
@iBankai1995
@iBankai1995 Год назад
Ranked gets taken too seriously? Well it's ranked. You play for something. Casual mode? Mfers are more competitive in a casual mode than competitive, that's where my issue lie. You wanna try something whacky in a "casual" environment? Not allowed, you gotta play the strongest hero or else you're trolling. Wanna play for fun and see where it goes? Nope, not allowed, you only play to win, no matter what.
@SIG442
@SIG442 Год назад
Problem with esports that too many people think they are worth to be in it while being complete crap, or for that matter cheat and cry when they are busted.
@ultimateloser3411
@ultimateloser3411 Год назад
Even without the cheating thing, such people still ruin the gaming community
@natanprzybylko7227
@natanprzybylko7227 Год назад
Coming from a coach, best way to get into esports is start now no matter what game or rank you are, join low-tier teams/tournaments and get the improvement/team mindset over everything else
@linnen_elm
@linnen_elm Год назад
@@natanprzybylko7227 right, let's play mobile legend then
@therealjaystone2344
@therealjaystone2344 Год назад
Esports will surpass irl sports and how scripted and rigged those games are
@Rynn-
@Rynn- Год назад
No cause I thought I kinda suck but I still joined an eSports team for Overwatch 2 for my school and then I get to actually play with my team and I realized I'm not actually that bad because Jesus Christ my team sucks😭 They're fairly good on their mains but our sponsor wants us to branch out and play other characters so we can counter better, and so far I'm the only one he hasn't gotten to💀
@theonuss6607
@theonuss6607 10 месяцев назад
Reminds me of when some guy at 343 said Halo is a competitive shooter. Meanwhile fans always loved that it was a fun game to play with buddies. They saw the hype and money other shooters got from being an e-sport and decided the 20 year fan base wasn't important.
@xAxFxRxOx
@xAxFxRxOx 6 месяцев назад
Honestly it's both, if an online game is released, there will be people who play it occasionally and people that'll play it full time
@jimdaflynn
@jimdaflynn 5 месяцев назад
Halo was always a competetive shooter i mean it was the biggest game in the MLG days. its just doesnt need to be balanced like one and should be made for the peoplr who want to play it for fun
@RealUlrichLeland
@RealUlrichLeland 5 месяцев назад
I disagree. Fans complained massively about the loadouts and random item pickups in halo 4 and 5 because they added RNG and made the game more casual. The majority of vocal halo fans always call for the games to be conservative (i.e. similar to when they started playing by not adding new features like sprint or ADS), and competitive by focusing more on gamemodes like ranked and swat that aren't easily approachable to casual fans.
@armedhobo6398
@armedhobo6398 2 месяца назад
In fairness it was one of the first for console games with mlg.
@FieldMarshalFeels
@FieldMarshalFeels 14 дней назад
I never played Halo "competitively", usually just custom games with friends. When Halo became more competitive, I stopped playing. Too tedious, frustrating, and monotonous.
@karaltar7914
@karaltar7914 10 месяцев назад
Nintendo makes such good competitive games that even when they are actively trying to shut down the esports scenes of their games they still have giant esports scenes
@RealUlrichLeland
@RealUlrichLeland 5 месяцев назад
Nintendo don't make good competitive games they just make good games, whose popularity breeds a competitive scene. Their games are prolific because they're built to be fun rather than competitive.
@stupidw33b52
@stupidw33b52 4 месяца назад
​​@@RealUlrichLelandsmash is a good competitive game
@Goobitle
@Goobitle 2 месяца назад
@@stupidw33b52it was meant to be casual game but people find bugs in the game and call it a “tech” which is annoying because most smash players don’t put in thousands of hours to be competitive whereas people who do usually deterring other people from the online experience.
@themc3140
@themc3140 5 дней назад
​@@RealUlrichLelandExactly. Games are meant to be one thing: Fun, Fun for everyone. Nintendo makes a lot of mistakes, but they knock it out of the park with some of their games.
@spookyspook5347
@spookyspook5347 Год назад
I always thought the biggest issues were trying to force casual and hardcore into the same servers. I remember when OW came out, and the hardcore gamers screamed at every little non-meta thing you did, while the casuals would borderline throw matches with their Hanzo picks, not caring at all about what the outcome of the match was. Putting them together is an explosive combination.
@FateBringsMe2U
@FateBringsMe2U Год назад
@@wombatgirl997 It really, really isn't. Games figured it out years ago, server browsers. That's all you need
@GodwynDi
@GodwynDi Год назад
@@wombatgirl997 No, we found an older gamer that remembers when joining a specific server was a choice and you could view who you would be matching with before the game.
@sweeeeeeeeeeeeee
@sweeeeeeeeeeeeee Год назад
Absolutely. Separating the two is a necessity but they need to first be together to make a good experience. Not to mention the metas that happen that can absolutely be avoided with apt hero changes but the devs dont ever make enough changes at once to matter and eliminate metas, just change the metas.
@FateBringsMe2U
@FateBringsMe2U Год назад
@@wombatgirl997 I'm typically the seal lol
@ShiftedGames
@ShiftedGames Год назад
Not even a relevant comment.. Why do retards like you comment?
@AzureRoxe
@AzureRoxe Год назад
"You cannot force esports" Blizzard, after many failed attempts: That won't stop me cause i can't read!!
@nathanjokeley4102
@nathanjokeley4102 Год назад
they succeded for years though, overwatch was topping on twitch and xqc who is the most viewed streamer on twitch started on overwatch.
@M4TTYN
@M4TTYN Год назад
r34 keeps them alive and they know it.
@NLambo88
@NLambo88 Год назад
@@nathanjokeley4102 those views are inflated by twitch drops. Xqc was first noticed because his gameplay but his personality is what blew him up.
@jeppong
@jeppong Год назад
@@nathanjokeley4102 Calling overwatch league successful.. I am not sure if it was successful. Half of the roster left to Valorant for more fame and exposure (possibly more money in the future). Overwatch League players were traveling more than NBA players in United States... viewership has never been that good, every esport during a tournament should be topping the viewership. The failure to implement their league system of "regional base" esports.... i mean they had to limit how many koreans can be in each team... wahts the point of this when we call it Los Angeles w/e or New York w/e when the teams are all korean or half of them are. Complete utter failure to engage with the audience with the whole "team" system they were trying to emulate from Real Sports. They did a big shift on Overwatch league moving this to RU-vid which was a bad move at the time. Overwatch League is far from Success and everyone really knows that. Compare OW to even a new game like Valorant. Valorant has been soo successful not just for their esports but the GLOBAL economy for Valorant Content Creators that HEAVILY bleeds into the Esports Scene for Valorant... OW just didnt really have that due to Blizzard being god awful at taking care of their content creators and their pro gamers.
@taragnor
@taragnor Год назад
@@jeppong Pro sports teams recruit players that come from different cities or countries. That's what happens when you look for the best players. It just so happens Korea has a lot of very talented esports players, so yeah a lot of koreans. It's not like you can look at the NFL and say that the majority of the players on the Buffalo Bills are locals from northern New York and the surrounding region. Pro sports just don't work that way, esport or otherwise.
@adriadelafuente3648
@adriadelafuente3648 9 месяцев назад
I've been saying this for a lot of time. Esports is something that, if you develop a game focused on it, you will alienate the vast majority of casual players. Dooming it from the beginning, because if only the best players find it fun, you'll find yourself without an audience.
@aerostrafe1075
@aerostrafe1075 10 месяцев назад
I treat it like this. I can show my grandfather a grand final match of street fighter and he can instantly recognize one person is getting his ass beat. I show him Overwatch and he has not a single clue of whats going on so he wants to turn to something else.
@ryanwood6754
@ryanwood6754 Месяц назад
also people naturally get better at fighters out of time in the game. most other games its people using aim trainers and busted tactics in order to be better instead of just playing over time.
@dj_koen1265
@dj_koen1265 День назад
That’s funny because people usually say the opposite about fighting games (regarding how you learn them)
@evrypixelcounts
@evrypixelcounts Год назад
I miss when games were made to be fun to play, and not made to be as competitive as possible.
@sup1602
@sup1602 Год назад
Yea the competitive scene ruined melee for me back in the day because you could not just have fun with it and it just became a tryhard fest. It was always final destination/battlefield no items 3 stock. It got so boring that all the players at the local table top game store only wanted to play like the competitive melee players instead of just playing for fun.
@tmma1869
@tmma1869 Год назад
Single player games (especially by RGG Studios) are more my thing now. Retro fighting games too
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Год назад
@@tmma1869 I do kind of get why studios prefer multiplayer, it's something that makes it easier to milk games for many more years than if they had to create all the content themselves, but some people just want to play on their own. I completely stopped paying attention to Quake after Quake 3 completely ditched the singleplayer campaign and similarly that dumb move by Blizzard to make Diablo 3 only multiplayer was even dumber. I mean seriously, I'd only been gaming for decades before that polish turd was released, it's not like I know whether or not I want to play online.
@M4TTYN
@M4TTYN Год назад
Yea hilarious i said "smash can have items turned on" and i got my head chopped off or cause i mentioned the "smash is a party game" and forever will be to i'm guessing some got a hate boner for that. But i miss games were fun back then, now their lame full of nothing that stands out to those who don't play games as games but a "career lane" which the TTV culture come in to play. Comp smash looks zero fun to me holy shit on top of the way too many grooming that just seems to never end and the cringe but funny controller spike videos lmao.
@Gigi-zr6hp
@Gigi-zr6hp Год назад
@@M4TTYN yeah, the competitive smash community is really toxic entitled manchilds where petty drama arises every once in a while
@Walterhartwellwhite07
@Walterhartwellwhite07 Год назад
My son loves these videos even more than breakfast, keep it up
@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
when you gettin back into the business?
@Walterhartwellwhite07
@Walterhartwellwhite07 Год назад
@@Ardrid_ soon. Very… soon
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@navisaulgoodman6356 Год назад
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@FadedPhoenixYT
@FadedPhoenixYT Год назад
Damn that's some high praise
@moister3727
@moister3727 Год назад
@@Walterhartwellwhite07 Breakfast here. Hope Flynn gets well.
@hideshisface1886
@hideshisface1886 10 месяцев назад
E-sport overfocus kills games. Like it or not, vast majority of players are not hypercompetitive people, many are not competitive at all and don't even touch multiplayer at all. So, if a company that made the game craves this competitive scene to be the face of the game, they effectively cater to a very tiny percentage of people at the expense of everyone else. You can often see this in patches - caring only about the very highest tip of the endgame content, nerfing and buffing based on strategies that only the very best of the players can use, making balance changes that ruin the fun. If you listen to only competitive scene, you will end-up either with just 1 winning strategy or you will end up with chess, eventually. Look at strategy games - why so many fail so miserably - you will find a massive common denominator - most of tried to be an e-sport, or at least tried to be the next StarCraft, Warcraft, Age of Empires 2 or Command and Conquer, maybe the next Supreme Commander - little to no innovation, or monstrous focus on multiplayer with every other aspect being and afterthought. You end up with games that may be mechanically sound but forget to be fun while at it.
@tallyikroe2476
@tallyikroe2476 10 месяцев назад
I'm watching you for the first time and I really like the Commentary channel OC expressions but executed in a model with texture shaders in a more 3D enviorement. It looks so detailed but yet also so simple that it works beautifully
@Bozo23281
@Bozo23281 6 месяцев назад
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@naiiin6949
@naiiin6949 Год назад
This was a great video! One thing i also think is really important is basically all games with a big e-sports scene didn't design their game with the thought in mind that it's gonna be a big e-sports thing, they just made a really fun and deep game. Tekken, street fighter, smash, cs:go, fortnite, rocket league, league of legends etc. all got such big competitive scenes cause they built up big fanbases by being fun games with very high skill ceilings. On the flipside you have games specifically designed to be an e-sport (halo 5, dead or alive 6), and most of those just never catch on, cause there just isn't the fun factor and creativity of the others
@moldyshishkabob
@moldyshishkabob Год назад
Well said! It's also why so few games feel one-and-done to me nowadays, but I will always have interest in going back to classic games. In a way, they *had* to get to the fun part quickly because that's all the time you got. You didn't have the peer pressure of a game that all your friends have been playing for the past six months, so you have to catch up on the mechanics, find recent videos because old videos are out of date due to balance changes, keep staying up to date because by the time you're caught up the meta has changed... It's a chore rather than your downtime.
@epicotakugamer4930
@epicotakugamer4930 Год назад
DoA's appeal is just by being fanservice wank material
@EvilIceCream333
@EvilIceCream333 Год назад
@@epicotakugamer4930 it has fanservice and solid gameplay. But 6 screwed up the gameplay and did other dumb stuff.
@moldyshishkabob
@moldyshishkabob Год назад
@@EvilIceCream333 Wasn't DoA 6 the *only* one that didn't lean into fanservice? I remember that being why OP's example was it as a "made for eSports game".
@EvilIceCream333
@EvilIceCream333 Год назад
@@moldyshishkabob yeah, DOA6 tried to get into the Esports scene. They toned down the normal outfits... then had the more suggestive outfits as DLC packs... and some of the DLC packs cost way more than the game. Can't have the game be "too sexy" for public esport events. Just like Street Fighter 5 censored Mika's butt slap when she does her super. But issues with the gameplay was they did the "make it easier for new players" appreach, and sidestepping was braindead easy, you can't hit people off of the floor, neutral is constantly reset. And they put in a meter, with "combo-breaker" holds, and supers... yes, take a game that's already guessing and mind games, and add MORE guessing, and let people panic press supers when you come at them.
@skyguy713
@skyguy713 Год назад
HOTS was something I wish Blizz had let grow naturally instead of trying to force an Esport to make bank.
@muttonsword
@muttonsword Год назад
They should have just went wild and implement all the fun mechanics even if it’s imbalanced Sgt hammer’s siege mode is such a unique mechanic and there should be more of it
@X1erra
@X1erra Год назад
Oh yeah definitely. HotS had so much potential to be a timeless classic…
@planetary-rendez-vous
@planetary-rendez-vous Год назад
@@wombatgirl997 Games are in some way, art. And in those failed games, the developers lost their vision. They basically copied someone's art. No wonder the magic is lost if your attitude is like that. But in other art domains, you'd get inspiration from others, BUT you know you want to do something creative for yourself. You are your own intrinsically motivated person, because you want to make good art. Then comes the profit, the recognition. Do good work to get good praise, not the reverse.
@Stormsong93
@Stormsong93 Год назад
@@wombatgirl997 Abathur. Good hero. Very fun. Evolved to perfection.
@potatovine
@potatovine Год назад
Well, HoTS was Blizzard's desperate attempt to take even a share of what LOL and DOTA was earning a year. This is especially hilarious to me as a Warcraft 3 Dota fan.
@tntiscools7761
@tntiscools7761 10 месяцев назад
Watching this video made me realize that I really want rhythm games to have a larger competitive scene as by design they can't be unbalanced (unless if they have characters for some reason but I can only think of like 2 games where that would be an issue).
@TheMisterDarknight
@TheMisterDarknight 6 месяцев назад
osu!: Gd too I guess
@vincentthendean7713
@vincentthendean7713 6 месяцев назад
DDR has basically gone global.
@LoveLindqvist
@LoveLindqvist 10 месяцев назад
As a lifelong gamer but now having more important prioritise like job, gym, girlfriend, etc... when I'm playing at the moment it's to chill out and I feel like there's a big hole in the market for casual games
@Rubellite-jq2kg
@Rubellite-jq2kg 4 месяца назад
Might I suggest Tears of the Kingdom? It boasts a pretty hefty price tag, but I'd say it's well worth the money. If you wish, you can look into others' reviews to see how they feel about it before making a decision of your own.
@Amantducafe
@Amantducafe Год назад
I imagine there was no mention of DotA 2 because it is the paradox to everything stated here. -It is hard to understand, watch and high skill ceiling -It is unbalanced because if everything is broken then nothing is -The game itself has a modding community that allows you to play previous versions of the game with other people using the same servers - Community is passionate but toxic -More than a decade old
@Guah00
@Guah00 Год назад
I'd say it's a pretty well balanced game in terms of the roster in a weird way. There's always a few highly contested picks each TI, but they all seem to fill a niche that makes them viable. Iirc there were less than 10 unpicked heroes in TI11 and even less in TI10.
@TheMrakic
@TheMrakic Год назад
im asking say question
@TheMrakic
@TheMrakic Год назад
@@Guah00 yeah but as tournaments progress some heroes goes aside and new ones are picked
@GodwynDi
@GodwynDi Год назад
Even LoL is more than a decade old now. You're old.
@wdililn
@wdililn Год назад
Not to mention, the game received extraordinary 1st party support from Valve. I would say of any successful, modern esport, Dota 2 has received THE MOST intensive developer support out of any of them, simply because of the gargantuan task of transitioning Dota from its underpinnings as a WarCraft3 mod to the Source Engine, and then in turn transitioning the game from Source Engine to Source Engine 2. To say nothing of the entire uplifting of the Dota tournament infrastructure by standardizing larger prize pots with the inception of The International.
@green8923
@green8923 10 месяцев назад
To pulling together some of your later points and adding a bit, I would say a successful esports also have to feel satisfying to win, and the outcome of the match needs to reflect the true (or as close as possible) mental and mechanical skill of each player (as few flukes as possible). People have to like the game inside and out (mechanics, format, and content) to want to play it for a really long time, and continuing dev support can only help (or hurt) it to a certain degree. Over a game's lifespan, especially in the case of longtime esports (Smash Melee in particular) with no dev support, new things are discovered, and the way the game is thought of and played changes too. And above all, it needs to be fun to watch, from how approachable the game is to understand, how easy it is to physically watch what is happening, to the storylines that develop between competitors.
@konajohnson6182
@konajohnson6182 8 месяцев назад
I swear the second you brought up games with no dev support for competitive settings I immediately thought the smash community, glad to see you addressed it here, honestly very sad cause I play competitive smash to this day and wish Sakurai and his team supported it…
@ItsAK9
@ItsAK9 Год назад
As a person who's played competitive games for awhile. I'm so damn tired of people forcing games to be competitive. Just make a fun game please and let the players decide what they wanna do with it
@-NeOac1dZ-
@-NeOac1dZ- 11 месяцев назад
Let the people decide if the e-sport will be born or not
@corbinhill3565
@corbinhill3565 10 месяцев назад
Yeah for real I remember when knockout city came out me and my friends were super excited to play it but the game quickly got way to competitive and quickly became boring
@csaratakij6339
@csaratakij6339 10 месяцев назад
They won't stop convincing players to have competitive scenes in their game, whether it from the game design perspective or marketing. Competitive scene has a shit load of business opportunity. Yes, it's always that one executive, investor or publisher that prevent us from having a good stuff.
@harvetwound1234
@harvetwound1234 10 месяцев назад
Honestly thats a major reason why I dislike Halo Infinite, couldn't even get a lobby without like 20 sweats ready to ruin the experience. I want to play Halo, not get railed by the entire team for 20 minutes, I wish more games had tf2's mentality of being able to have an actual game or just make a game last like 3 hours because everyone is just messing around and having fun.
@pko_2.0_pop7
@pko_2.0_pop7 8 месяцев назад
​@@harvetwound1234you mention Halo Infinite. Don't forget rainbow six too how it become shit since Siege.
@Neogears1312
@Neogears1312 Год назад
I will say as a soulcalibur 2 nut; it’s actually a very balanced game. You constantly see the worst character hold his ground against the best character in the game played by multiple different people. It’s roster is simply balanced around 1. The strong defensive universal mechanics allowing everyone to prevent a steam roll and to approach, 2. Damage isn’t that high on average meaning there’s no easy way to steamroll or rob and invalidate the other players work up to that point, and 3. (For the most part) having a move that would on paper be bs for them to have, but because everyone sans yun-seoung has a contender for the best move in the game you have to respect what everyone brings to the table. These three things combined means anyone can play the game unlike 12 in 3s or king in t4 who just don’t play the same game as even the mid tiers because of how deficient they are, and that every character can be viable because the game doesn’t allow anyone to get obsoleted by other characters or prevent them from competing with what makes a character meta.
@hopalongjens
@hopalongjens Год назад
God I need to go out and pick up another copy of this game
@MastaGambit
@MastaGambit Год назад
Thank you for providing this info about Soulcal2, it's given me some ideas for a fighting game concept ive been working on
@dyldragon1
@dyldragon1 10 месяцев назад
​@@MastaGambitThank you for standing up for Berserker mains
@hoodiegal
@hoodiegal 10 месяцев назад
good analysis! i def think the esports craze is a big reason as to why many recent multiplayer games have been lackluster. devs are putting the cart before the horse trying to create an esports scene rather than a game.
@manaayek8091
@manaayek8091 6 месяцев назад
My issue is that a lot of studios focus on making their games for esports and seem to ignore making it fun to play.
@guitarzero1836
@guitarzero1836 Год назад
Spot on about the community aspect. Look at speed running. No teams, no sponsors, no million dollar prize pools yet some of the most dedicated people I’ve ever seen and a whole chunk of them speedrun for charity in things like Games Done Quick too. These companies always want the short cut to the big payoffs but they don’t want to put in the work and players see through that and drop em like a rock.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Год назад
At least speedrunning doesn't typically affect the rest of the playerbase. (Although there are exceptions like Kingdom of Loathing doing a bunch of unfun things to kill the one day speedruns that had become relatively common)
@J-manli
@J-manli Год назад
On one hand, companies don’t want to sponsor speed runs because they often showcase the shortcomings and vulnerabilities of those games.
@verycalmgamer4090
@verycalmgamer4090 Год назад
Its not a sport. Its like playing darksouls except the game is easier and you've played it a million times.
@addeum7766
@addeum7766 Год назад
@@verycalmgamer4090 it could very much be a sport. Sports like swimming, running or javelin throw are all about extremely small changes to well developed techniques which are the results of countless amounts of practice. A speed runner replays the game a million times simply because it is their discipline. Beating the game is easier for them in the way that kicking a ball is easier for a football player.
@rumplstiltztinkerstein
@rumplstiltztinkerstein Год назад
You forgot to mention toxicity. Guilty Gear Strive is a very hard game, but I never raged from losing at online fights with it. The fights are fast, and I always feel like I learned something new from it. The opposing player can break you to pieces and still be nice to you.
@felixputz2130
@felixputz2130 Год назад
guilty gear is easy. try playing smash at a high level
@notmyrealname4488
@notmyrealname4488 Год назад
Interestingly enough strive is the only game I've ever played where people don't do that 1 and done shit. Sucks it doesn't have any real ping based matchmaking though
@rumplstiltztinkerstein
@rumplstiltztinkerstein Год назад
@@notmyrealname4488 yeah. It is hard to find matchmaking these days.
@dj_koen1265
@dj_koen1265 11 месяцев назад
@@felixputz2130 i mean strive is relatively easy but smash ultimate is not a hardcore game
@shrimpy7862
@shrimpy7862 11 месяцев назад
​@@felixputz2130smash overrated
@simeontodorov9353
@simeontodorov9353 10 месяцев назад
Trackmania's Grand League tournaments is a good example of a healthy and non-toxic eSport. Its easy to watch and understand from a glance, the maps are always new and interesting, the developers support it and the community hypes it in a good way. Race results only depend you each player's skills, since the cars dont collide with each other, even though they play on the same map/server. This means there can be little to no hard feelings towards other players, since they dont affect your own performance.
@Freakattaker
@Freakattaker Год назад
Glad I found your channel through Josh Strife clips. Great gaming analytical content.
@BasedCinemaProductions
@BasedCinemaProductions Год назад
Team Fortress 2 is a perfect example how good a game can be if you are not worrying about competitive pro balance while creating it. The genius behind the concept of spy class is something competitive games can only dream of. I mean seriously, in what world could that be balanced for pro play? This things are why a 20 year old game is up and running with a living community while brand new games are dead after a month. That and hats i guess.
@t-qb1sq
@t-qb1sq Год назад
Team Fortress 2 thrives a lot from its casual enjoyment to the point where you can spend a long period of time in this shooter game without actually shooting anyone. A lot of people call it a "war-themed hat simulator" and I would also call it "the world's greatest cryptid video game." It, of course, also has a competitive scene.
@pantommy
@pantommy Год назад
@@t-qb1sq any community-made competitive mode is better than one made by the developers. Community competitive allows for the players in the community to directly alter the game rules, stats of weapons or apply bans in order to make the game fair. A niche example of this would be L4D2 versus competitive, the base L4D2 versus is already a VERY balanced and competitive mode with a lot of gameplay depth, the community-made competitive mode simply makes the game more balanced in the Infected side's favour in order to accommodate for high-level play. Thing is, in today's age developers don't give their community the tools to host their own servers anymore, because it would ruin their "live-service" model.
@niks660097
@niks660097 11 месяцев назад
i still can't find any multiplayer game, that gives full total invisibility...
@arstulex
@arstulex 10 месяцев назад
@@niks660097 There's a good reason for that. It's extremely difficult to make invisibility fun to play against. There is no fun to be had in trying to fight somebody who you literally cannot see, especially if they are still able to see you. Often times the invisible player is having fun at the expense of everyone else.
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413
@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 10 месяцев назад
​@@arstulextf2 made invisibility fun to fight by making spy everyones punching bag
@PlatinumAltaria
@PlatinumAltaria 10 месяцев назад
Blizzard murdered their first new IP in a decade desperately trying to make it an esport. And they failed. They saw that there was a popular game and thought "how can we make more money out of this?"
@Kuuribro
@Kuuribro 10 месяцев назад
Not that I am ignoring the content of hte video BUT - man I really like that angry snowman as an avatar to talk through. A+ on that, its 3D and stands out a bit from the regular handdrawn avatars that do the same thing.
@MusicGyo
@MusicGyo Год назад
This is the first time I agree with a RU-vidr that thinks some aspect of gaming is "dying". You truly exposed the problem, all of us who actually grew up playing counterstrike, halo ce, fear combat online etc, couldn't care less at the time for eSports as long as we were having fun, but today everything seems to be only successful if it's trending on some reddit trash hole by kids screaming for nerfs or buffs. Loved the vid man, keep it up!
@Assassin5671000
@Assassin5671000 Год назад
They definitely cared bro you just weren't in a circle where they cared that much. Yes it may have not been the companys intentions back then but gamers on their own crested tournaments with cash prizes and companies saw that and decided to capitalize on it. Just look at most other hobbies that exist today that have tournaments like football , basketball , pool ,chess and others, you probably dabbled in them for some fun too but just didn't decide to be too competitive about it and you just need to find other with the same mindset and play with them in gaming. I am pretty sure all those sports became so big now because of similar situation that you see in gaming now
@aaronerickson8878
@aaronerickson8878 Год назад
​@@Assassin5671000 Playing video games isn't a sport. It's a waste of time unless you're having fun.
@DatAsianGuy
@DatAsianGuy Год назад
​@@aaronerickson8878 Video games are a sport, wether you like it or not.
@cesj1
@cesj1 Год назад
​@@DatAsianGuyno it's just an excuse for morons to sit inside all day trying their hardest in a supposedly fun game. It makes them money, sure, but video games are meant to be fun and enjoyable and not necessarily a hub for professional competition. If a game focuses only on being competitive and not fun, it dies. Taking every iteration of its eSport potential with it.
@DatAsianGuy
@DatAsianGuy Год назад
@@cesj1 I can agree on that a game shouldn't just focus on the esport, but any game that has some competitive angle to it, can become an esport. every sport is also just a game.
@derrickjohnson4952
@derrickjohnson4952 Год назад
Esports needs to happen naturally because of the community not forced by the company
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 Год назад
I can't help but cringe every time I see a game come out where it's so blatantly obvious that the game was created specifically to be an esport instead of just letting it be something that happens.
@prettibutdeadly4531
@prettibutdeadly4531 10 месяцев назад
You can tell this video is old when he’s talking about Overwatch 2 in a positive light
@callmecrimson4806
@callmecrimson4806 7 месяцев назад
Really enjoyed this vid, tho tbh there are some games that definatly benefit from the producer's support. I saw that you showed Omega Strikers a few times, and both the community and Oddesy Interactive are very passionate about it so it is growing a lot, both competitively and casually. I agree that the community has to be passionate about it (which it is) but the dev team also caring about the game, and being heavily in touch with the community doesn't hurt either.
@wandereringshadow8658
@wandereringshadow8658 Год назад
I miss when videogames were just about having fun. It honestly feels like most people treat them as a job now, and company-made E-sports is the perfect manifestation of that.
@mechanomics2649
@mechanomics2649 Год назад
People treat them as a job now mostly in response to the rampant monetization that plagues the video game industry. They functionally are jobs because the fun has been monetized out of the game. It's disgusting and I wouldn't be sad if we ended up with another video game crash similar to the one that happened in the 80's because of it.
@zakf2929
@zakf2929 Год назад
I don't think it's wrong that people treat them like a job, I think it's wrong that investors get involved in the development process and ruin the vision of a game for money.
@jddi1527
@jddi1527 8 месяцев назад
Yep
@josephreynolds2401
@josephreynolds2401 8 месяцев назад
A lot of e-sports initiatives try to force spectator SPORTS which isn't how they should be organized. Esports doesn't have the infrastructure and no one wants to gamble the steep price for that infrastructure to fall short on viewer numbers. Better to cobble together community initiatives and 3rd party platforms (twitch). Plenty of games are thriving this way, even decades old ones.
@wtfbros5110
@wtfbros5110 7 месяцев назад
we can all thank Everquest for this crap
@danramirez8553
@danramirez8553 Год назад
my favorite esport example of all time has always been melee, but fan made inspirations of that game such as Prpject Plus and Rivals of aether been left into the wayside to other more modern takes of the genre... brawlhalla and smash ultimate being more popular in the esport showcase then these games ever will be.
@hellfrozenphoenix13
@hellfrozenphoenix13 Год назад
To be fair, part of this can be attributed to those projects trying very hard to reflect the same competitive nature of melee, which does shorten the scope of people who would be interested. Previous melee fans who decide to give games a shot, but most who hear its "like melee" will either go "its like an old game? That doesnt sound good" (ignorance or the view that old games=less fun, which is annoyingly common) or "why not just play melee isntead"? I love Rivals of aether, but it took me time to get into it because it was simply too close to Melee. It took me time to see where it was different and worth investing over Melee to play it, and i lnow im far from the only one. I do agree with the idea that a game's core mechanics need to be solidly refined, but i think games made to be competitive, and that ignore a casual side, are doomed to fail. A good example of how being easy tp get into mechanically, hard to mast is important is Skullgirls. Its easy gor a newcomer to pick up, do the tutorial, and do the single player arcade and story, the combo trials, etc. But when you see its depth, you realize the game has a shit ton of small things going on, but you can mostly follow it. Its casual side can be easily embraced and uou can understand the vast majority of the game on surface level, but it has insane depth to dedicate to, such as what does each character taunt do? How many to train with for your rooster (you can make a team of 1, 2 or 3 characters, with smaller teams getting some stat boosts, but lacking the flexibility assists can bring.) And much more.
@RenShinomiya121
@RenShinomiya121 Год назад
@@hellfrozenphoenix13 Your example of Skullgirls resonate with me. It is the first fighting game i've ever taken seriously, simply finding it from a random video and youtube and 15yo me saying "This game looks COOL" so i grabbed my pocket money for the month and bought the game. It was worth the 2 weeks of not buying snacks at school lmao. You can pick up the game, learn a bit about the controls, seeing every attack just seem to flow into a simple L-M-H combo for both punches and kicks and then decide which character you want to pick up. Finished all the story while piecing the lore together (I remember telling this one friend of mine who's interested in the game all the juicy details of the story while in cram school) and then trying to learn my favorite team combos (Peacock, Ms. Fortune, Robo Fortune) for hours while at home. The game allows for flexibility and i think it's the greatest point. You can go solo Parasoul and do some sick 1v3 setup or go for a Double, Cerebella and Beowulf for that hard hitter tag teams. Either pick-up and play characters you like with the universal L->M->H combos that works on almost everyone or spend hours labbing even the most intricate setups you can think of. It's one of those competitive fighting games that doesn't ignore their casual fanbase, and that's why the game and it's community is going strong even now.
@cyrus4285
@cyrus4285 Год назад
wait so do you like melee? also i dont think that comparing them to smash ultimate is a great comparison for the reason that Project + and Rivals of Aether were made with significantly less money and people. project + and rivals were def created to be competitively viable games but personally i think they are more about trying to recreate the innovative gameplay of melee that a slightly more niche audience of people really enjoy rather than purely "trying to be competitive." thats not even getting into the fact the Nintendo has actively been killing project + for years and how modern takes of the genre are much easier to get into and dont require the same amount of dedication to feel like you know how to play.
@danramirez8553
@danramirez8553 Год назад
@@cyrus4285 uhh if ima be honest, I've only followed melee, a game that was almost completely made by its community. The whole meta founded upon in game discoveries not intended by the devs, so many local tournaments and hosts, funded by the fan base itself, and the dedicated pro scene isjust incredible. Me myself however, I found the intense requirment of many of the interesting tech options in that game to be too hardcore. I'm not into precise mechanics... aside from csgo, for for fighting games it's not really something I find to be interesting. Thought Rivals of Project M gave me a bit of a break and allowed me some lee way. It's alot easier to wave dash in Rivals, and a bit faster in a few other ways. One could say the skill gap being lower in that game is a bad thing, I won a few of my university locals, and some diamond level online ranked games, but I still consider myself a casual as I only play the game on occasin.
@cyrus4285
@cyrus4285 Год назад
@@danramirez8553 Oh ok, in context with the video I thought you might not like melee/rivals/project + or only like melee/ultimate and not like rivals/project +. But reading your second comment Im thinking your initial comment was a more general statement than I thought it was and you know about/have played the games your talking about. Alot of people will argue that games being modern and popular makes them the best without ever giving projects like Rivals or Project + a chance.
@AbolishYTHandles
@AbolishYTHandles 8 месяцев назад
I feel as if there are so many different things I could be doing and am missing out on. So many choices that could be created in this world but will never be. Paths lost to time. Stuck in a haze, one can only dream about what could be, what has been, and what will be. Some things it is too late for. As in you have missed the opportunity for whatever reason, and now you will never know.
@_Ve_98
@_Ve_98 4 месяца назад
As a game designer, I mostly agree with this, but I think that the final conclusion with the whole balance thing is slightly wrong. Mechanics don't need to be balanced either, the only reason they seem to be a bigger problem than characters is that it's far more difficult to circumvent poorly designed core mechanics than selectable characters, weapons or stages. It's okay for a game to be extremely unbalanced, what's not okay is making it boring. What balance (or lack thereof) do is make players gravitate towards optimal strategies. The problem arises when these optimal strategies are repetitive and boring. Balance doesn't make a game less boring, but bad balance can eclipse all fun ways to play a game in favor of boring broken strategies. In conclusion, you don't want your competitive game to be balanced, you want to make sure that the way it's unbalanced is actually fun and has enough variety to sustain a community. The more balanced a game is the more boring it actually becomes.
@no-lifenoah7861
@no-lifenoah7861 Год назад
The main issue in my opinion is that the fixes needed by competitive players and casual players usually are complete opposites, because they don't play the same way. But game devs appeal to the smaller, comp community even though they play a different game from the causal audience and usually fix their own problems anyway. Like with 6s in TF2.
@PineappleDealer37
@PineappleDealer37 10 месяцев назад
I hate 6v6, I hate 6v6, I hate 6v6
@gonkdroidgaming6984
@gonkdroidgaming6984 10 месяцев назад
rainbow six siege
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 10 месяцев назад
@@PineappleDealer37 Whoops was busy meatshotting enemy soldiers to hear what you said, could you repeat pls
@PineappleDealer37
@PineappleDealer37 10 месяцев назад
@@tappajaav no
@tappajaav
@tappajaav 10 месяцев назад
@@PineappleDealer37 Fak
@jiant_
@jiant_ Год назад
I think that your point of how the community has to drive it is really well put. in team fortress 2 the tiny competitive scene there is entirely run by the community, everything from playing matching and joining a team to getting commentators. It's all just the community coming together for the love of the game
@chubeviewer
@chubeviewer Год назад
Just like melee, which has had zero support from day one and the community have to make their own online and patches to fix the game
@josephjaimeolnanigon1653
@josephjaimeolnanigon1653 Год назад
Yeah, damn Valve.
@Enkye_ART
@Enkye_ART 9 месяцев назад
If I could mention another video that has a lot of significance, it'd be FoldingIdea's video on WoW. In it he discusses the idea of "instrumental" play. It means that when playing a videogame, there are certain groups that will push that game to it's limit. In pve games it's min-maxing and efficiency of play. The problem is that these groups gain popularity and gain audiences that mimic their strategies. This creates a gaming environment that forces new players to follow the popular strats or else they're "playing wrong". This in turn convinces the playerbase that there is only one real way to play, the way that is most competitive. In pvp games this idea is enforced by the developers as well, which creates a population that will flame the shit out of you unless you're playing they best way.
@Maxler5795
@Maxler5795 Год назад
reminder that capcom learned this the hard way with SFV's launch. and they somehow turned it around by turning scraps into a car by revamping slightly how the vtrigger and vskill system worked.
@ryanhefner2011
@ryanhefner2011 Год назад
TLDR: I think this can all be summed up by saying. MAKE the game fun and easy to play and understand. And you may find eSports success, but don't focus on that or you'll fail on the fundamental promise of the game.
@gaminglakitu
@gaminglakitu Год назад
Yet another great video dude. I think your point on the game having balanced mechanics is definitely the most important one, because if the game isn't fun to play casually, how is it supposed to be fun competitively? I think it goes to show fun should be prioritized first over any other kind of meandering thing that is just there to get a game more attention. It's how a 30 year old busted Sailor Moon fighting game can have an active fanbase and tournaments while many battle royales and shooters have a hard time staying in public conscious for more than a week
@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
That game is actually a great example, it literally has a move that does more damage on block than on hit cuz of a programming error, and people still practice it.
@shinmasterryu
@shinmasterryu Год назад
It's the same with Mahvel (MVC2 and UMVC3) they are busted at the core but overall fun as hell, even from a casual standpoint and maintain relevance even in today esports/pro scene. BR's are on the decline, like I wish it was a joke. Apex and Fortnite are in the shitters. Fun but not tolerable to play as time goes on. just remember, EVO did side tournaments for games like Catherine and GranBlue Fantasy (a gacha game to see who gets the most SSRS) and those shit was more entertaining than current games we got now on the esports scene.
@gaminglakitu
@gaminglakitu Год назад
@@shinmasterryu Wait, I heard of competitive Catherine, but competitive normal GranBlue? That sounds so stupid but so intriguing. Do you happen to have a video of a tournament?
@chikomitata
@chikomitata Год назад
Granblue player here. I think they mean GBVS, granblue versus, made by arc system works. A fighting game
@gaminglakitu
@gaminglakitu Год назад
@@chikomitata Oh lmao. I know about Versus, but I thought they were talking about regular Granblue because they were talking about gatcha and getting the most SSR's. I know Vs. has a very active community and I really wanna find sometime to pick it up and get into it as well
@doomspud6302
@doomspud6302 10 месяцев назад
The main game I got to watch die from Esports obsession was Hawken. They over-promised that game super hard from the start. Claiming it would have a hundred million concurrent players, and be the next big Esport phenomenon on par with League of Legends. This got them massive sponsorships from companies like Nvidia and Alienware. But, because all they had was a small, relatively low skill team to work with, they never managed to pull it off. The main game mode the wanted to be competitive, Siege, was never properly balanced. No matter what they changed, it always either ended up being a one sided slaughter, or an endless stalemate. So it was boring to play, and would have been boring to watch. Eventually, they had to pay back their debts, and couldn't. So what could have been a really fun casual F2P shooter with a small, but very dedicated fanbase, died. Simply because they dug too deep a hole for themselves, and couldn't manage to climb back out.
@will4282
@will4282 7 месяцев назад
Cool video, but even cooler hearing Movements by Inner-Vation in the background at the end
@abdelali9279
@abdelali9279 Год назад
I think the most important point is, community, you cannot artificially create one, and that is the problem, like OW, just one year later and there was a league when hardly people were gathering togheter to create a scene, at the end we got just employees not players playing for companies not teams, and when you cater to these people who their 9 to 5 is playing the game, you will end up balancing the game in a matter that doesn't apply well to the average player which bitters them and end up killing a real scene.
@GodwynDi
@GodwynDi Год назад
Especially when all the balance changes affect everyone. Even physical sports don't do this. Little league baseball does not use the same rules as the MLB.
@J-manli
@J-manli Год назад
Companies really don’t seem to like the idea of letting their audience grow naturally, they only want to target a specific demographic. This is not related to video games, but I distinctly remember when Cartoon Network were dissatisfied that there was a large female audience for the original runs of both Young Justice and The Clone Wars.
@jeppong
@jeppong Год назад
Blizzard needs to take some HEAVY notes on how to grow a scene from what Riot did to Valorant. They let Valorant just grow on its own, now it has a healthy player base with heavy following. Valorant community itself just grew on its own with its content creators plus pros. Content Creators also heavily bleed into the ESports scene for Valorant as well and thats what made Valorant's Economy in NA that successful and it helped out the esports scene itself.
@keonkla
@keonkla Год назад
@@J-manli Lol you make that sound like its inherently evil. Not everything needs to cater to women ya know.
@annakarollunaeu
@annakarollunaeu Год назад
That's why TF2 is the ultimate shotter that NEVER dies Edit: *I created a fearsome war...*
@bruvaguren494
@bruvaguren494 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-p5CjmHLUQQI.html
@Radical_Larry
@Radical_Larry Год назад
TF2 may be the ultimate shotter, but is it the ultimate shooter?
@annakarollunaeu
@annakarollunaeu Год назад
@@Radical_Larry I Will let the community decide for you.
@keybladewielder9425
@keybladewielder9425 Год назад
New games genre: Ultimate Shotter 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
@keybladewielder9425
@keybladewielder9425 Год назад
This man writing english in Australian accent
@araskir_ralud
@araskir_ralud 9 месяцев назад
Even the game Mobile Legends: Bang Bang, popular in the South-East Asia, starting to get boring, without trash talks (no bullshiting each other) and spicy banters between players in its community. For me, if the developers recognize players who are playing the game within years, that will be exciting!
@Gabrielbarsch
@Gabrielbarsch Год назад
i can't believe you didn't even mentioned Dota 2 the game that literally introduced the concept of battlepass which lots of games tries to copy
@pavmx703
@pavmx703 Год назад
The mod community is who will keep retro games alive. There will always be a dedicated fan with the skill to make something from the past that everyone loved. I agreed with everything in this video though.
@MrShadowThief
@MrShadowThief Год назад
Age of Empires 2 went through years of literally no devs and hun wars with its high level competitive scene basically being funded by very rich fans who just wanted to watch some players be really good at the game and its "regular" competitive being completely on a community site. Pretty much a testament to everything you said, even if things are much different now or if the game isn't as hot as things like LoL and CS.
@lukasg4807
@lukasg4807 10 месяцев назад
Suprised to find an aoe2 fan in the wild on an unrelated channel 11
@sorafanchick
@sorafanchick 6 месяцев назад
The perfect balance arguments is exactly why I hate gaming. I played Wizard101 for years and what made me mad is that some features that worked well with the game in other areas (such as progressing the main story) was apparently frustrating people who would play PVP tournaments in the game. So many features ended up getting nerfed to the point some things were pointless to have. Furthermore, instead of just choosing to nerf it for PVP they nerfed it for every aspect of the game. The same thing is happening with Tekken. It's frustrating.
@michaelawilliams
@michaelawilliams 7 месяцев назад
Brilliant analysis! You have inspired me and I intend to keep your comments in mind in my esports-related endeavors. .I've liked and subscribed and look forward to your future musings on the subject.
@saevus2686
@saevus2686 Год назад
I'd replace "mechanically balanced" with "mechanically interesting". Aside from how people love the game despite rage mechanic existing, Tekken 7 backdashing would also be considered degenerate in any other game, but it ends up still being interesting because it creates a tense game where every attack is meaningful when it does happen.
@SmallSpoonBrigade
@SmallSpoonBrigade Год назад
That is the thing that Blizzard does that pissed me off more than just about anything else. Their insistence on doing major rebalances many years later kind of kills any interest I have in going back to play the game years later.
@slmnemo
@slmnemo Год назад
I want to say that I really like this essay. My favorite esport is CSGO because its simple, super hype, and super tense to watch. It also provides a direct counter example to all three incorrect points you identified in the first half. I want to say that your third point sounds less like the game balance needs to be good, and more that the game itself needs to be fun to play. Maybe that's just my bias speaking though.
@qu1253
@qu1253 Год назад
I wish so bad I could get into CS:GO, but I just can't. Getting good at the shooting is difficult enough, but the amount of smurf accounts and blatant cheaters in silver is gross. How am I supposed to ever get out of silver hell when every match is just a total stomp fest with zero hope of actually winning?
@w04h
@w04h Год назад
@@qu1253 If you feel like cheating is a problem you can try faceit or esportal with much better anticheats but be aware that even in low ranks there are many very very skilled players. Also looking up your stats on sites like Leetify can give you a rough idea in which areas you should improve and from there you can look up youtubers like VooCSGO or Launders (Lau on yt) or countless pro players who cover a lot of the problems in great detail.
@machine-shopbilly6584
@machine-shopbilly6584 4 месяца назад
In the good ol days it was "hey, this game is really good and entertaining in a competitive setting, let's make it an e-sport!" Now it's "if we make a game for e-sports we can make money"
@Jabbaro123
@Jabbaro123 4 месяца назад
Not gonna lie it is kind of funny that they turned gaming into a sport.
@UnsavedTrash
@UnsavedTrash Год назад
Overwatch 2 hasn't gotten larger because of changing the balance of the game or stun or tank meta, it got larger because it no longer costs $40 to play and because they upped advertising campaign budgets like they had in OW 1's release year.
@Anonymous8547
@Anonymous8547 Год назад
I don't think an Esport has to be easy to understand and watch to someone who hasn't played it. Both LoL and Dota 2 are incomprehendable to someone who hasn't put hundreds of hours into the game. The key distinction is that the knowledgeable viewer needs to be able to understand what is going on at all times in the game, what each player is doing, and how each player is reacting to it. BRs have this issue where the viewer is never able to get a macro idea of the entire map, as they can only focus on one area at a time (BR games also have issues with RNG but that's a different topic). Similarly in OW, you can't really see what all 10 players are doing at one time and it just turns into a clusterfuck of particles and ultimates. This is probably an issue with the camera being in 3rd person, or can only focus on 1 player at a time. In Dota, however, each ability is very distinct and you can usually process what is going on in real-time. Additionally there's often 1 or 2 ultimates that you want to focus on (Black Hole, Echo Slam), and you wait and see what impact those have on the fight. There's also significant downtime in-between fights so that casters can replay fights and talk about what was going on. Occasionally fights are really hard to follow and chaotic (such as "The Play") but often these fights highlight the players skills and are extremely exciting to watch in real time.
@yjlom
@yjlom Год назад
I wouldn't say they're incomprehendable, I've never played LoL and must have about 10 minutes of DotA on a relatives' computer a few years back, but I can still enjoy watching them. Sure I don't get everything, I won't see all the intricacies of the fighting system or whatever but I can still understand a fair bit of the general flow of the game, in that I know what the objective is and how to work towards it at a high level. I definitely miss a lot but to say I have no idea what's happening is an overstatement. In the end the macro side of it is rather straightforward.
@creatingvideostobreakmyspe6049
I think speedrunning is more fun to watch, pretty obvious movement without anything super virginal or nerdy going on, same thing with fighting games. I don't care about stuff like rocket league because I could just watch soccer / football and all the fps and league type games are just super nerdy and virginal like I said earlier, and they look like shit to view.
@thegraysandscollective4458
@thegraysandscollective4458 Год назад
kinda disagree. League like a traditional sport has casual appeal and I guess more hardcore appeal. For example, anyone can watch Steph Curry shoot and go that was a hard to make three. Someone a deeper level might appreciate the offensive set that opened the shot up. Someone on an even deeper level might appreciate the micromovements players were making without the ball to make the set effective. Similarly, anyone can appreciate a won teamfight. Some might recognize the individual mechanics, and on a deeper level you could appreciate vision setups and how they manipulated waves to get position first. In both instance there's the obvious that anyone can enjoy, and the not so obvious that those 100 hours make you privy to.
@suiken3149
@suiken3149 Год назад
@@creatingvideostobreakmyspe6049 I actually want a speedrun tournament instead, especially retro games. Like for example, each player has to beat games like Resident Evil 3 in fastest time possible with additional condition like getting the best ending.
@relo999
@relo999 Год назад
@@suiken3149 Those exist, they're called racing games. Trackmania is probably the best example of this while having a decently large playerbase and competitive scene. However if you want more traditional games you'll get into issues (and it has been tried before), either people can do as many runs as they want to get the best time, making progression very unclear, or you'll have one player running away with it over a long stretch of time which makes the viewing experience rather boring. Not to mention in most speedruns extensive knowledge is needed to enjoy them, which is also why channels explaining speedruns (and related drama) are very popular but actual runs don't come close to the same view count. It also doesn't help that most, if not all games, have only a very small pool of people that could be competitors. (which in turn also creates issues of creating leagues)
@FeTetra
@FeTetra 10 месяцев назад
if you look at a game like smash ultimate, you can kinda just see that everyone who plays it in an esports or even just a higher level setting is quite literally aware of just how unbalanced it is, the developers are kinda just done with the game, and i cant imagine sakurai wants to make another game anyways. a couple months ago, steve was almost banned as a character due to a bug being found that he could perform, and the only reason other characters that could do this wouldnt get banned is because steve was just already really busted, so this was the icing on the cake. the developers did fix this bug, but they never really intend on balancing steve (or any of the other broken dlc characters) so the community just kinda deals with how unfair the game is. there are literally characters that are so bad that they cant really counter anyone very well, as well as characters that are so good that they can counter anyone (most dlc characters lmao)
@Vaerlayn
@Vaerlayn Год назад
I think one of the most interesting competitive games out there is classic NES Tetris. You have a game that wasn't even designed to be played in multiplayer to begin with, yet it has *monthly* tournaments. Just goes to show how much the community behind it matters.
@semvision
@semvision 8 месяцев назад
You somehow completely ignored the original competitive esport: Quake.
@KgodCapone
@KgodCapone 6 месяцев назад
games need to be fun and competitive. this is why games like fortnite ( which you can easily tell is a game that ardrid doesn't like) is doing so well and still has gigantic prize pools for lan tourneys. Its easy to get the gist of how it works, can be fun or competitive depending on which route you want to take, and its not p2w which is a huge point that ardrid failed to mention a lot of games have these broken characters or guns that you have to buy or get by playing for a long time just to be at the top. Also the game doesn't even have to be good competitive wise it just needs to have a big enough fanbase (which fortnite has) and devs who will support the pro scene with good or decent prize pools. And comparing different genres and puting them on the same measuring stick isn't good since we all have different likes.
@ne3333t
@ne3333t Год назад
I am also tired of the forced E-sports trend.
@PressRToZeus
@PressRToZeus Год назад
this was certainly an algorithm win for me. very nuanced and extremely good take (especially with mentioning the live service games that can just disappear with no way for anyone to re-access them)
@axmajpayne
@axmajpayne 7 месяцев назад
Peak multiplayer gaming was from about 2000 to 2007. That was about the point that we really started seeing games getting released that were designed from the onset to have online multiplayer on consoles and then the console titles were ported to PC. Prior to that (a few exceptions notwithstanding), multiplayer was either intended for local play on consoles or online play on PC, and there weren't many games that released for both. The expectation that everyone would always have a high speed internet connection also let developers be sloppier, because they knew if any major issues cropped up that were missed in testing, they could always just patch it. That also lead to the the proliferation of DLC and microtransactions to milk every cent possible out of the consumer.
@Nan0_Nerd
@Nan0_Nerd 6 месяцев назад
Havent even watched the vid, I probably will here soon, my starting thoughts are, I think esports made casual gaming worse, but brought a lot more people into the community. I think it caused a lot more good then bad, but it harmed a lot more casual than competitive players, of which I am a competitive player.
@Bonemannes
@Bonemannes Год назад
First a very good fighting game analysis video and now this? My man you gonna be BIG if you keep it up like this
@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
Thanks :)
@capu3448
@capu3448 8 месяцев назад
Excellent video with keen insight. I think you hit the nail on the head with your analysis of esports.
@percy9184
@percy9184 4 месяца назад
God shivers when the youtuber animated mascot crosses their arms
@sleeper5905
@sleeper5905 Год назад
When i was 12 and saw csgo clips, I wanted to become an esport player, now 4yrs later, I just wanna build my house in Minecraft peacefully
@cornybrain7282
@cornybrain7282 Год назад
This is what i find unique about Valve games like Dota, CS:GO, and TF2. All of these games are so simple in its core yet so hard to master and thats what makes them both a fun casual experience and a Esports tournament game
@Calslock
@Calslock 8 месяцев назад
What's also unique about Valve games is when Valve would turn off servers it doesn't really matter, as they also released dedicated server tools for each multiplayer game they did. Sure, once servers go under you may lose some functionalities like skins, matchmaking or community functions, but core game is still very playable.
@SioxerNikita
@SioxerNikita 8 месяцев назад
Dota is certainly not simple in its core ;9
@skoop1987
@skoop1987 8 месяцев назад
dota is not very simple, but yeah cs and tf2 are simple
@metaphysicalfuck
@metaphysicalfuck 8 месяцев назад
@@SioxerNikita but it's well and alive. Amazed it wasn't used as an example
@SioxerNikita
@SioxerNikita 8 месяцев назад
​@@metaphysicalfuckYeah, but eSports didn't ruin Dota... Dota was quite literally built on the eSports scene that existed. It even ported over the bugs and exploits of the original game at the start, all the quirks and everything, to keep that competitive core playerbase.
@--delirious--4136
@--delirious--4136 10 месяцев назад
the algorithm sent me here. a fantastic critique of the current status quo. well done! subbing and sharing
@waggish4999
@waggish4999 10 месяцев назад
what you said at 11:30 is exactly what happened to siege. Devs made so much changes to the game while chasing the balance and content demand that the game is now so different than when I started, and imo worse, that it isn't fun to play anymore. Thank god bf4 was abandoned before this became the industry standard.
@profsrlojohn635
@profsrlojohn635 Год назад
I have a personal pet peeve with Esports ebcause they are, in many ways, responsible for the death of the Real Time Strategy game. After starcraft 1 and 2 got incredibly popular as esports, especially in S. korea, the other big RTS series, especially Command & Conquer, chased this to their own detriment. C&C3: Red Alert was shoved into being an Esport and was good in spite of it, and the much Maligned C&C:4 was originally meant to be a Mobile Esport-like game for the Chinese market that got shoved into a box and sold as C&C:4. The attempts at sequels after rhat, like the Ill-fated Generals 2 suffered from being shoved into an Esports angle as well. Especially since they shaved off it’s more edgy angles because of it.
@pedrohenrique-db3xd
@pedrohenrique-db3xd Год назад
The problem with RTS games is not necessarily esports. It's more that RTS games are hard to monetize in general, they don't fit the microtransactions model well. Also, because of how ridiculously good some of them are, like SC2, even new RTS games have a hard time making a name for themselves, because people compare those games to SC2, C&C, AoE, and get disappointed.
@taragnor
@taragnor Год назад
@@pedrohenrique-db3xd Yeah, RTS are terrible for monetization, have a steep learning curve and have unfortunately been replaced by MOBAs, despite being superior games.
@RedHazeCh
@RedHazeCh Год назад
RTS is an evolution dead end at this point and it'll wither out like arena FPS did. The new IPs don't have anything new to bring on the table, they're literally just clones of either SC2, C&C or CoH. Why do you want to spend your time playing them while the legit franchises are still alive and perfectly playable?
@sebastian114
@sebastian114 Год назад
I will say AOE 2 is still going strong, and even microsoft is pumping a lot of money into that scene rewarding peope to do it. I think it come down to what viewers can follow and enjoy mainly. But even aoe 4 the latest in the series were... bad I am an avid RTS player, even if I mostly do FPS these days. Recent RTS games in many years have been total garbage, I dont think that can be blamed on the Esports its blamed upon developers releasing games that are utterly boring or bad.
@suiken3149
@suiken3149 Год назад
@@taragnor MOBAs are RTS with RPG elements at core. Except you're only focused on a single unit
@albertlofling7310
@albertlofling7310 Год назад
The biggest problem with esports is that we stop caring about the game and start caring about the competition itself. That is why so many fighting games lives on competitively, the players and organizers want to watch and enjoy the game and their way of doing it happens to be by competing and sharing that. Esports like overwatch become so much about winning that you can't really enjoy the game but hate all of the issues with it that you see as obstactles for that goal
@matheusmartins2067
@matheusmartins2067 8 месяцев назад
Great video, sounds really well researched. I appreciate the work you put into this, clearly you're very passionate about the topic. I feel like the reasons for why a game makes for a good esport aren't really talked about enough, even by people in the community. It's really nice to see someone trying to put it into words.
@four-en-tee
@four-en-tee 9 месяцев назад
This makes me wonder how the fuck the Yugioh competitive scene has maintained any sort of stability. Games aren't very easy to follow in the modern day, the only people watching live broadcasts of YCS coverage are just people who already play the game, and there's a shit ton of unclear rulings that you often wouldn't know unless a judge told you. It breaks all the rules of your criteria, and yet Master Duel completely popped off and started getting new people into the game. Granted, it also pointed a light on a lot of the issues with the modern game, but its still pretty enjoyable to play despite these issues. I guess its just the appeal of being able to express yourself through your deck list assuming you're not net-decking.
@zechariahcaraballo8765
@zechariahcaraballo8765 Год назад
7:40 I like how devs use to make multiple game series in the same genre, they can then test different methods of what you can do with the game without risking much seeing as if players dont like it they will most likely play your other game, and sometimes ppl will quit your game to then spend money to buy your other game which seems hilarious to me
@RESPRiT
@RESPRiT Год назад
Loved the art in the intro! Great work once again 👏
@Ardrid_
@Ardrid_ Год назад
Thanks bro :)
@Weldedhodag
@Weldedhodag 9 месяцев назад
i gotta agree with 'easy to understand and watch.' i hate to admit it, but my favorite game to watch tournament matches for is age of empires 2. And with that game, there's so many moving parts and different things happening that it can be hard to follow exactly whats going on.
@crashbandicootcrash
@crashbandicootcrash 10 месяцев назад
This makes me think about how crazy and fun the DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 3 scene has become these last years. A game completely unbalanced in the roster, with something like 150 forms of characters, while only 10/20, I think, are used in competitive, and yet so good thanks to the deep and very balanced mechanics. Like everyone else already said, every game should be first of all fun to play. The competitive scene will come later if it is, and it will be the fans to create it from nothing.
@StainlessBike
@StainlessBike Год назад
This is why Rocket League is such a good esport. It's entertaining and doesn't have any of the flaws mentioned in the video. It's also very easy learn and understand for a first time viewer
@paulcarmi8130
@paulcarmi8130 Год назад
Easy to understand, maybe. But for someone that just picks it up, it is basically a slaughter fest. And in RL, If you whiff more than, say, twice in the first minute, good luck, the text chat and emotes will ruin your experience. I’m lucky I’ve played so many driving games because I feel like that does genuinely make RL easier for me.
@StainlessBike
@StainlessBike Год назад
@@paulcarmi8130 I meant watching and not as playing
@paulcarmi8130
@paulcarmi8130 Год назад
@@StainlessBike sure but I don’t think MOST people actually enjoy watching in the room. People are happy to watch others play a game on their phone or computer… but in person the other person just gets bored watching you play. but….Why don’t people play the games instead of watch???
@StainlessBike
@StainlessBike Год назад
@@paulcarmi8130 Some people just can’t do some of the things that pros can do. Rocket league has a high skill ceiling and it takes years to get really good at the game. It’s like watching the X-games; they are a lot better than what u or me can do. Your point is why watch anything when you can do it yourself 🤦
@paulcarmi8130
@paulcarmi8130 Год назад
@@StainlessBike no, not anything, sorry, gaming specifically. Esports do kinda suck. I’m sorry. They just do. But that’s one man’s opinion. I guess because I have limited free time I’d rather DO the thing than WATCH the thing.
@aryamaanborah7698
@aryamaanborah7698 Год назад
Sometimes, there's a choice of Counter-Picking. This means if someone picks a broken character/weapon, the opponent has a chance of doing something else (which may not even be meta) to entirely counter the broken character/weapon.
@norhe.
@norhe. 4 месяца назад
I really like your snowman 3d model, looks very nice!
@CyRxJustin
@CyRxJustin 8 месяцев назад
I totally agree that the commercialization of eSports is a negative influence on the gaming industry. I think eSports is more of a symptom than the problem, though. eSports is an absolutely colossal advertisement for your game, and if 3rd party organizers are doing all of the organization, then it's free advertising. They can then use this obsession with their game to drive sales of their game. Then, when they release DLC's, that immediately generates content for tournaments and influencers who essentially race to be the first to advertise. Seeing a top tier player mess around with a new hero makes the viewer want to try it also and the company gets money. That constant stream of updates then, like you said, kills the fun of the game; especially for the casual player. It's the obsession that the suits at the top of these game dev companies have with microtransactions that kill the fun of the game. Personal hot-take: The centralization of information on the internet was the biggest detriment to for-fun online gaming. In the olden days, a large chunk of players had no idea how to be competitive or that there was even an option to take the game to such a serious degree. The good players back then were people who figured out optimizations in the game and there wasn't really a forum that the casual player would ever just stumble across and learn about. Now, Google, RU-vid, and Twitch will give you an unlimited amount of resources to take your game into sweat mode. Look how many people had Ashbringer in vanilla WoW vs Classic. If you want to play "competitively" then you need to *study*. Figuring things out on your own is a waste of time when you can just learn from a person who plays the game full-time.
@BluFloo
@BluFloo Год назад
Omega Strikers is such a good game. I find that they nailed everything in its base that other games such as rocket league has for esports. its easy to understand to anyone and the objective. The only thing that is a negative is just the viewer experience which is a core issue you can't really fix. Its really slow and can get boring up until the last minute till Overtime. The Devs seem to know what to do and acknowledge the problems that arise in the open Beta. feels refreshing to see a team make consistently smart decisions and aim towards improvements. The second thing about esports is that they don't force it but support it, they see small tourney organizations and financially support prize pools.
@UD36
@UD36 Год назад
Evo moment 37 is humanity's peak of competitive match
@humaneshadow300
@humaneshadow300 Год назад
That kinda ruin fighting games all together
@UD36
@UD36 Год назад
@@humaneshadow300 never
@seansmith6255
@seansmith6255 9 месяцев назад
I genuinely want a game that goes out of its way to be unbalanced Like one class just has a button that kills everything And all the emotes are just slurs and all the characters constantly nude to make it unstreamable But the characters have to be ugly and disgusting so you cant stream it on an erotic site either unless you have a specific kink But the game constantly shames you f9r having said kink Just a completely unadvertisable game And one class just doesn't work but someone is always forced to play as him That is my vision give me money
@ROBOHOLIC1
@ROBOHOLIC1 Год назад
I've never been competitively inclined. I just wanted to have fun with friends.
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