EUROPE'S MOST OUTDATED BUSINESS CLASS? 

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Nice review! It was nice to meet you! ;-)

Maybe outdated but I really enjoyed the flight to Tokyo with LOT. The Service was great and the dessert wagon was incredible. My boyfriend who is 209cm big could really sleep for the first time! Travelling as a couple it is a good product... the prize is unbeatable!

Hi Josh, I am a person who prefers to look out the windows, not just for the scenery, but because of my fear of flying, and claustrophobia, I need that sense of space, and like to make sure the wings and engines aren't falling off !🤣

I've flown on LOT eight times already and it is the only plane I've ever flown on. Maybe outdated, but comfortable and trusted. Great job on filming!

The best part of this mostly outdated seat is the very wide footrest. Most of the more modern hard products have these very narrow foot wells, the additional privacy notwithstanding. Flew LOT between Singapore and London and the cuisine could only be described as eclectic and lacking choice.

FWIW, on the long-haul routes I care about (ex Eastern Europe to the US), LOT's business class is always priced significantly cheaper than the competition (bar Finnair). If other airlines, like LH or AF, charge ~$4k from an Eastern European capital, LOT will charge $2-2.5k. So even though the product may be outdated, it's still a flat bed and it is priced fairly. I was curious to hear about the cabin heat. Previous reviewers complained that it was very hot in the LOT-operated Dreamliners.

I flew LOT dreamliner to the US. For me it was a pleasant flight. Every airline has things to improve on as does LOT, but still I think it's better than many other airlines.

Fond memories of Poland and LOT. Miss the food and scenery in Poland. Last flew LOT when they had the 767-300ER which was a long time ago! The service wasn't so great but had a good and friendly interaction with the pursuer during disembarkation.

A lot of people love these automated shades in the dreamliner - i personally don't like it at all. I want to decide and look out of the window whenever I want to....

Service is still genuine and excellent! Not too modern but super spacious and roomy. Best bang for the buck!

By the way, behind you, where you were sitting in the lounge, there is an extended lounge, which is much more pleasant in terms of furnishing. LOT generally has a problem with punctuality/reliability. On the penultimate flight from HAM-TBS I had to spend the night in WAW because I did not reach the connecting flight in WAW.Last Sunday WAW-TBS one hour delay at check-in and then we had to wait again almost 45 minutes until the luggage was delivered to the plane.

I would like to see the decommissioning of the flight attendant cabin window dimmer master switch on the 787. Many passengers pay a premium to book a window seat so they should have the option to enjoy the view at whatever intensity of light offered by mother nature. I can watch a video any time on the ground, but the real time view out the window is the real entertainment IMHO. I do notice more passengers in America are quite content to have the blinds closed in their row from push back to arrival. I am torn when I select a seat these days as I prefer aisle seat access, but it drives me crazy to have the blinds closed by the window seat occupants on the critical phases of flight, take off and landing! Perhaps I'll have to book the row in order to be happy?!?!?

I remember flying LOT in the 1980s, when it served hot meals in economy, when BA served a cold dish. Nowadays the airlines are quite similar, bar Bulgaria Air. Hope LOT improves its Business Class quality, I guess that will come when the fleet is updated. Thanks for the video Josh.

Long haul Business Class is indeed an improvement on menu. Also, I noticed you mentioned that your neighbor can watch you sleep. The arm rests actually are able to be raised to create a “wall” of sorts spanning from your shoulders on back. They raise about 12-14” allowing for a bit more visual privacy from your neighbor (hopefully they don’t snore!). Service was impeccable too. Worth the upgrade at their reasonable price.

I flew lot from Warsaw to lax. Best flight ever. Great food great crew

I took the same flight and the same route just some weeks before you. Was flying their 787-9 in the special independence livery :) which it has the same cabin as their 787-8. The most scary thing that happened on that flight is that I had a rejected takeoff 😳 (can be watched on my channel). Anyway lot was one of the first operator of the 787 in Europe so I’m not surprised if the cabin is quite outdated. I do find it better than European business class though (the seat not the food)

Great Review Josh! I flew LOT recently for the first time (to Asia in business class), and honestly I was impressed with them. The cabin may be outdated, but you get what you pay for. On certain long-haul flights - if you book well in advance you can secure cheap fares e.g.1900 EUR in business class to Asia. Which in some cases is nearly 50% less than what you pay with other European/Gulf carriers. I don't think one can therefore complain about their product when LOT offers such attractive fares. Now if the fare was around the same price as the other carriers - then I would totally agree with you.

Golly, is the business class on LOT outdated? That was mentioned a few dozen times. Probably OK for a 2 hour intra-European flight.

My biggest disappointment on a LAX - SYD was when the crew blacked out the windows shortly after takeoff and would not allow you to un dim them. When I asked if I could "open" the shade I was curtly told no. I missed a beautiful full moon flight over the South Pacific. The crew didn't open the windows until we were on short final into SYD. I was in Premium Economy and had a lovely seat to look outside. I did write a complaint letter to AA but never got a response. Other than that the flight was very good.

I just flew the new United Polaris 777 and I would choose the LOT product over that. Yes, it needs to be refreshed, but the room of the seat and length of the bed makes a difference for me over a long haul flight. The trade off is the privacy factor and old IFE so it comes down to preference. Either is great and way better than coach. My experience with LOT is that business is only half full most of the time.

You always fast forward the best part, the acceleration on the runway and take off... what a thrill!

Honestly I prefer those "outdated " seats rather than new narrow "coffins" BTW a few months ago I occupied exactly same seat !

great review, and useful points. thanks for the video

Those chocolate plum candies are the best! :)

It will be interesting to see some end-of-season tourism figures from the Mediterranean countries. Greece seems to have made the best effort at welcoming air-travellers.

I travelled with LOT from Warsaw to Tokyo 5 years ago. I flew in economy but it was really lovely. The crew was nice and friendly and food was pretty OK too. It was quite easy for me to "survive" the long flight. Going to Tokyo again this year and based on my previous experience I chose LOT again :)

Sunset over Crete is awesome! I had the same luck last saturday on an Airbus A320 from Amsterdam to Heraklion, stunning views :D.

loved the flight as always

I so agree with you on window dimming by the crew!

I've flown this product on long-haul flights to the U.S. quite often, especially since LOT is a star alliance member, and sometimes has some competitive prices compared to Lufthansa (I'm from Germany). The service on international flights is pretty great, and the seats, compared to Lufthansa are much more comfortable, especially the sleeping experience is better. Is a 2-2-2 config in business outdated? Definitely! But among the 2-2-2 you'll travel with LOT most comfortably, in my opinion. Additionally, the non-Schengen lounge in WAW is better, too and offers plenty of hot food options.

I flew on WestJet business class on the Dreamliner and they did the same thing dimming the windows and one of the crew gave me a dirty look when I kept making my windows bright 😂

My god, I travelled LOT business class back in the 90s and it looked almost exactly the same

I got a question about the seatings, if you are the on the window seat and you want to go outside but the aisle seat guy is in full flat then how do you get out?

If I have a window seat it’s because I want to look out of the window, I think Boeing was crazy to give the crew the ability to close the windows on a whim. If someone wants to sleep on a daylight flight they should bring an eye mask and not expect everyone else to sit in the dark!

As for the cabin situation, you should always choose the 787-9 instead of -8. The difference in product is very visable. I don't know why this is a thing

Nice review. Great that you stress pros and cons of the Lot Airlines. Not only delights as Sam Chui does. Hope Polish press will grab you review.

I’ve flown many, many Dreamliners with various airlines and every single one of them had the windows dimmed during day flights. Does my head in - I don’t get it. My recent flight with Air New Zealand had the windows dimmed on a day flight but wasn’t really an issue as I was the only passenger in Premium Economy.

The best seat config I saw was in UA 787-900 (individual boxes). The one in LOT is like in Lufthansa but IMHO a way better food in LOT and service as well. In fact the worst service experience of all BC flights was Lufthansa for me (always, not just once). Let's see what LOT will modify in its business class with new planes which they are about to buy (possibly Airbus this time). And BTW I'm referring to transatlantic flights.

Excellent

4:35 Those "śliwka nałęczowska" candies are dried plums in soft sweet stuff, then in choclate. One of the best candies ever

Would agree with being able to bin the windows yourself especially in business. Would be cool to see a review on luxair. 👍🏼

Hey Josh. Couldn't agree more about having a dim cabin during a day flight. I flew from Toronto to Hong Kong and the flight path took us over the North Pole. I was enjoying my view and snapping some pictures when a FA shouted at me to close the blind. I believe the Air Canada crew were more interested in having the passengers nod off to sleep than the fantastic views.

i love to look out the window for the whole flight

I can only confirm that LOT has an outdated infotainment system in business class in their dreamlininers, I flew with them to Tokyo in 2018 . Also it's quite the same case for Lufthansa in their jumbo jets. Fair review 👌.

You mentioned that the person next to you can see you while sleeping...BTW - there is a small wall you can raise with the push of a button that is between the two seats :-)

I was thinking of flying with them.....thanks for the review Josh

Cool, I will check both of your videos.

I'm 193, size 13 feet and I prefer the old business class. Much more room and I can fit on the bed.

Josh, I'm with you, I want to choose if I want to dim the light coming from the window! Love the vlogs!

Flown once on Saudia 787 in 2016 on domestic route aka Jeddah to Riyadh. Now i’ll be flying from Istanbul to Dallas on 787-9 economy class in Dec 21 The window dimming by crew is however annoying as I think passengers should have access as they desire

Great video as always! Yes I as well like to determine window controls by myself! All the very best und herzlichen Gruss von Frank aus Najomtien, Thailand!

Josh I totally agree, Dreamliner windows are super clever but that is lost when the crew can do whatever they like and without asking! :o/

The worst airline checked luggage is $248 so expensive

Josh will you update your businessclass playlist? Its easier to bingewatch on mobile phones when there are playlists

Enjoy Crete, it's my favourite place to holiday :)

i am flying LOT business class flight from warsaw to tokyo tonight. quite excited as i dont often do long haul business class. You do know, however, when you are sleeping you can pull the arm rest up to divide you from the person next to you (meaning they cant see you when you sleep). i am in an aisle seat though so everyone else can :-)

Ive never flown LOT before but im looking forward to

Hi Josh , great review yet again ! Do you have any plans taking a trip on the new Air Belgium A330 Neo?

Except from the inflight entertainment I think the cabin is ok, also for a longer flight. I like that the bed has the full with ober the complete length, so therere is enough space for your feet when sleeping. Of course there are better products out there, but as you said yourself, the cabin is a lot like a few other airlines and even Lufthansa and some toher companies with a different seat concept don't do better, only different.

I flew on Iberia A321 business on monday. We got a proper delicious hot meal (2 options), appetizer and dessert. It was a longer flight though (4hr). This LOT meal reminds me of LH "light meals" in business. Not great, not terrible

5:22 Music name please ?

Wonderful

we're not outdated, we're 𝒸𝓁𝒶𝓈𝓈𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁

Flew on Air Canada for the first time in a couple of years and i’m glad to see they finally added a “Skip Ad” button to their entertainment! Hopefully all airlines now have it. So annoying !

Josh, this was SPOT on!!!!!! 10:42sec ".(at LOT)..a LOT more wider than the Hering bone seats...."

Ahh yes, a Josh Cahill Video Wooohoooo

LOT is the best airline in the world!

Awesome review as always! Was expecting much for the food. I hate the fact that crew can lock the dimmer of the window...

Greetings from Poland 😁 i didn't fly LOT but love that u did a vid about it,thx bro,rlly😄😁👍👍

4:21… perfectly put 😂😂

I think that they were being ridiculous about your window. I like to look outside too. Your lounge unexpected meet was adorable, you have a great smile and always good to meet other vloggers. 😊✌️ Keep up the great work Josh, I am subscribed.

Hi josh, great review! I’d love to see what you think of virgin atlantic!

Flying Warsaw to Seoul next month (11 or so hour flight) would anyone recommend upgrading to this product?

Ill be flying on Lot from Miami to Warsaw and I’m looking forward to it. In the past I had the best sleep time on these planes even with passengers beside me.

Josh I always look forward to your flight reviews! .I agree with you re the dimming of the cabin windows ,On reflection I had a window seat on a VS B789 from LHR to JFK and I didn’t control the tint myself I guess this was done by the cabin crew . Ps liked your loo review 😀

Josh, I love your sense of humor! hahah

Well, for intra-Europe business I say that’s one of the better products. If you fly the same plane to Asia it’s a different story.

There is a divider between the seats that you could’ve pulled out. It’s not big but it would give privacy when lying down.

These seats type is most comfortable of all business seats. In the the newer kind, in flat bed mode, legs are trapped inside under display screen. One can not bend knees without hitting the bottom of display which is painful. I am glad these type of seats are available including Lufthansa.

As I never fly business class(but for 200€ I might try)looks pretty comfy to me I actually like shutters

it would be nice if you could include the route (Warsaw - Heraklion) into the video title or description; I had to watch more than half-way through the video to find out that you are reviewing a shorthaul Business Class flight and not a longhaul one;

Hi Josh! You forgot to mention the free of charge massage in business lounge of LOT

Air France's A380 had the same entertainment system controller. It felt insanely outdated and tired, after having seen for example Finnair's A350.

I prefer a light cabin even on an overnight flight but I don’t want to bother others so I leave the shade down and peek now and again.

Hi Josh. I just saw your review and read some of the comments. It seems that the inflight service is good and that, for me, goes a long way in making a long journey easier. I agree that on a short daytime flight without significant time zone changes, windows up is a personal and justified choice. My main criticism is that how, on business class, does a bottle of wine pair with a plastic cup? LOT can do better especially when remembering that Europeans are wine lovers. Plastic destroys not only the planet but also a decent wine! I just also subscribed 😊. Good report!

That foodd looked amazing compared to what LOT served me recently. A near 3 hour flight from LCY-VNO on one of their Embraers and they dished up Buckwheat Pancakes! Possibly the blandest most uninspiring dish I've ever had the misfortune to eat whilst airborne.

Hi Josh! You have to try the long haul LOT business class service. It's much different and much,much nicer. I have it on my channel - if you wish to see it. Greetings from Ontario🤗

Hi Josh. You're the customer so it should be your choice as to how you would like the window's set. Happy flying

LOT just announced recently that they will start retrofitting the cabins of their 787-8s. Honestly, I still prefer the 787-8 cabin over the 787-9 cabin. While the 787-9 cabin looks a lot newer, the IFE is slightly worse. The cursor glitches a lot more, and there is no remote controller in economy (there is in Business class). I also hate the dimmable windows in Dreamliners. They are either very blue or very yellow depending on the dimming option.

Great vlog as usual josh and although I as yet have not flown a 787 and hopefully never have to as I prefer Airbus I still think that yes it’s a personal choice weather u want you window dimmed or not and the fact the staff can lock every out ain’t great

Im not too sure whether or not if i should fly with LOT again after my nightmare flight from Frankfurt to Warsaw in June when we boarded their Embraer 190/195 and we all noticed that the baggage handlers have not yet completed removing the luggage from the last flight and they have already closed the door and disconnected the ramp, there was some disgraceful behavior with the luggage handlers with me and other's noticing one guy that was just throwing the luggage off the plane into the luggage trailer and some of the luggage was thrown onto the ground and more reckless behavior, and then his colleague told him to stick his head him, and then the guy in question was going off at the other guy. We weren't given any announcements about what was going on and what time they reckon the plane will leave, but once they came around with water, we all knew that we were all gonna be sitting there for a bit, and around about that time they have closed all of the luggage compartment doors on the plane, but we sat there for another hour. We were now 2 hours and 30 minutes late when we took off, we had a fast flight and quite a fast approach into Warsaw which saved us 30 minutes. Now here came another issue, it took the airport 30+ minutes to get our planes luggage to the conveyor belt, which now meant i missed my bus to Kielce (a town in Poland) and that was the last one for the day, and we had to buy train tickets to get there (it took us 4 trains and 1 angry ass ticket lady to get to Kielce thanks to LOT) and believe it or not there was no apology from anyone at LOT. I wrote an email off to them and I've yet to have received a response from them. Leave all that shit behind now, but if LOT were to operate their route from Singapore to Warsaw once again, then I may consider flying with them again, but for now on i will try get Qatar, Emirates, Singapore Airlines and Lufthansa to get to Poland.

At my airline it is against our SOP to lock the windows on our 787 fleet.

On a day flight no one wants their eyes burnt out from bright sun, better to have dark cabin for long distance flight so that you are able to watch your movie screen better, now on take off and landing its better to have windows open for safety reason.

I like having control over my own window, at least in the day time. I laughed at your 'keyboard warrior' joke! Thank you for the video.

6:50 it's your window, your seat, your money paid for the ticket, so it's yours to do what you want with it!

Is that not a privacy screen in the middle that you pull out ?. I could be wrong though

Good morning!!!😃☀️

For me, I will sacrifice privacy for space, and I much prefer these massive lie flats to the coffin experience of the more “modern” business layouts. I love that your legs and especially your feet aren’t completely boxed in. There’s just a ton of space. You can cross your legs without hitting a wall. But I understand some (and smaller) travelers would prefer the newer style.

Turkish has same seats in their 777s and new Stelia seats in their 787s . While new Stelia seats look far more cooler and much more private , they are equally less comfortable as you re practically inserting your legs in a box. These seats are simply more spacious in all dimensions. Space wise, they may be closest to first class seats. I would rather lose some privacy but not hit my legs on top of the seat rest.