EURORACK MODULE BUYING GUIDE: JUST DON'T 

I'm lucky in that I used to be a drug addict, so spending all by money is something that I have a lot of experience with, and it doesn't bother me like it probably should. I'd rather have synth than money anyway.

The time spent is the therapeutic fun part…it’s priceless

I have bumper sticker on my car, "my other car is a modular synth"

Great video, laying out some deeper truth and not just a fancy demo of the latest desirable module. I’m about 3 years and $4k into it, trying to go slooow. Biggest mistake of my path has been redundant features - having multiple devices that do the same thing. Started semi-modular with a 0-Coast and then started filling a 7u case with things that essentially did what the 0-Coast already did but on a larger scale. Another issue I run into is the trade-off between flexibility and function - for the same price I could have gotten a Moog Matriarch or similar pre-wired synth designed by experts! Instead I have a collection of modules and semi-modulars for exploring unexpected sounds, which was my goal - still question it sometimes though. Glad to see your take on these issues.

Never more than 1 new module per month! If you go faster than that it's 100% certain that you are underusing your modules. Even 1 per month is pretty fast. Another advice would be, if you like a new module, try recreating it with the modules you already have. A lot of new unique modules are just two or three simple functions blended together. Often you can achieve the same result by combining a module you already have with utilities

I think It’s important to have a game plan for what you want to do going in so you avoid buying unnecessary modules. The newer semi-modular synths like the moog DFAM are amazing because they combine are essentially a whole rack combined into 1 (VCO, VCA, VCF, sequencer, envelope, etc) for a cheaper cost. Really all you need after that is some fx and a way to modulate and you can do some crazy stuff for

I'm a high school teacher who got into modular when the stimulus checks hit my bank account, and I always argue for how rewarding a limited modular set up can be. I have the 6u Rackbrute and while I do occasionally replace pieces, I'm very happy with the possibilities that space provides. It absolutely is expensive, but I simply don't buy the argument that it's an endless money pit. Unless I get a crazy windfall, I won't be expanding my rack any time soon to a larger case. Of course, you need to be somewhat intentional, and I think you should always start with semimodular (my Rackbrute sits atop a Minibrute 2s, the BEST eurorack semimodular in my opinion!) But small is beautiful, and you don't need a million modules to get a great deal of fulfillment out of modular. Thanks for the vid!

I dig finding people with info like this, keep up the good work, functional yet organized and clean

While its niche and expensive there is just something about modular that feels so good to interact with. The experimentation and progressive unintentional jamming makes you feel like you're exploring sound as you go.

I'm glad you talk about time as a resource/cost. Many people don't think of it that way.

"I'm here to actually talk you out, of getting in to it" Cracked me up 😂

I like the spend slow approach, it bakes in the opportunity to figure out what your system needs more than what you want, over time I've learned that I can see what's "missing" and then focus on looking to fill that gap rather than just hosing Reverb for new and fancy. Good video

this presentation was so good to listen to. There were no distracting background sounds!

I started in modular about a year ago. I’ve gone very slowly due to budget and I’m only up to five modules, but I can honestly say I do not regret and have enjoyed every minute of it. I started out with a Rings clone and a midi to cv module to connect my Launchkey mini. That way I could play notes and use the arpeggiator as a sequencer. Then added the Behringer 140 dual ADSR and LFO and the Doepfer multimode filter. Topped it off with Disting MK4 to be able to try out all its different algorithms with what I already have. Hours of fun! 😆 All in a diy 84hp case. And currently working on my own diy dual vactrol LPG and dual attenuator module 😄👊🏽

Hit a little close to home :) One thing it took me a couple of thousand dollars to learn was to try to go with single role modules, rather than the insane “kitchen sink” modules. Eurorack controls can get pretty small and fiddley and if you add too many knobs, weird key combos or menu diving on top of that it can be overwhelming. I get that modules (like guitar pedals) all want to have their own unique selling point, but there is also an appeal to the straightforwardness of a doepfer-esque module. Ie one function per knob.

DIY and semi modulars can certainly help with the intro costs and give someone a good idea as to whether eurorack is right for them or not. My gateway into modular was a used model d, and a tip top happy ending kit (that way I didnt need to immediately buy a case and could use space in a standard 19" rack that i built out of scrap wood sitting around). Also if you're reading this and are new to this stuff, VCV rack is great for freely entering into the modular world :) Great vids btw thanks for the content, very much enjoying it! Keep it up :)

I formally got into synths after stumbling upon a YT video of someone doing a modular jam. And as much as that modular jam was an initial spark for my now intense passion for synthesis, I actually didn't go the modular route. My first synth was a vintage analog keyboard. I feel more creative with fixed limitations vs endless possibilities. But I'll always credit modular for activating my passion for synths⚡

Looking into this to work a little out of the box for a change in creativity. Thank you for the info.

Just a great video, thoughtful and perfectly paced with strong advice. You helped me, thanks man.

The honesty in your video is great. It reminds me a little of something I always think about when it comes to people being described as "best of" in fields of practice where there is a high entry cost or payment to play. Could it be that they are considered so great because they are only competing against a small handful of people. Like I wonder if if the greatest potentials for talent are too poor to get their foot in the door. Great video, I like your unique approach instead of the mindless duplicatations I see all over youtube.

I've been tempted to get into Eurorack at times but I always end up getting a groovebox or synth instead, since they tend to be more bang for the buck and can provide plenty of soft-modular functionality to scratch that experimental/sound design itch. It would probably take a $5,000 Eurorack setup to do everything Gotharman's Little Deformer 3 can do for example. I do envy those who can afford the best of both worlds though.

I think I will live vicariously through RU-vid videos of Eurorack, and concentrate on learning my DGX670. Thanks for sharing!

I definitely appreciated that you touched on DIY, it can be massively cheaper if you have the skills, especially if you make your own boards. Yes it takes up a lot of time to learn and build your own, but that's a rewarding and educational hobby in itself. Not to mention the synth diy scene encompasses a whole wide array of things, not just euro, but full size motm modules, non modular, and everything in-between ☺️

This is reinforcing what I'm already doing. I got an Arturia Minibrute 2s, and have planned out an entire rackbrute 6U. I know very well that plan is going to change, and it has already changed many times. I'm setting aside some money each month, and plan to spend it as it builds up, that way I have time to familiarize myself with one module at a time. And I can start with one module at a time, because the Minibrute already has all the basics covered.

As you say, there are plenty of ways to spend money. Some people buy boats… some fast cars. Some people take expensive vacations. It’s all relative to just how much you have that’s disposable income. Eurorack is a slippery slope and you do need some number of modules before you can really start to do complex things. I’m just getting into it and I’m close to needing an intervention but it’s also incredibly exciting and rewarding too. I find I’m staying up late and waking up early just to patch. Thanks for the gut check and video.

The Modular world is fantastic, and I can only encourage any noob to seek out a 'mentor' before wasting $ and time into dead ends. Learn from peers who actually use the gear! To get started it won't be JUST a few modules.... you'll need to house them, power them, and find a way to integrate the sound outputs into a system that makes sense to you. Just that foundation can get costly for your wallet and headspace. Start small, obviously, with the following building block, to expand later: Clock, VCO, VCF, EG, FX. Some modules may integrate a few elements already. The most intelligent investment you'll make will be a human one, all things considered.

Not me lowballing Eurorack regretters and cannibalizing their moneypits

1 1/2 years into euro and i have to tell that the "take your time" and "invest over time" things are very true. I am filling up a Behringer Eurorack Go case over the above mentioned time now and getting every month or two a module is much more satisfying than getting them all at once (i imagine). Sometimes i buy them in batches of two but (almost) always buying the cheapest stuff (Behringer, Dopefer, Dreadbox etc). I also DIY mults, attenuators and mixers (pretty easy to do). That way you are a tiny bit more limited in options but boy i love my case. Buying semimodulars is also okay for getting lots of functionality for cheap but beware, its not the same as modular!! And obviously, you need to learn your modules and in which direction you want to go, if a module has some "downsides" then try to make the best out of it instead of giving up / switching the module, it will be much more rewarding!

Just jumped in with a Roland system 500 complete set . All the basics in a nice powered rack. Great starter platform with really nice vintage Roland sound in collaboration with Malekko.

Thanks for the great video. I think a good way for new synthesist to dip their toe in the water is to use VCV rack on a computer. It’s free and supports all the broad functionality of most modules.

Very good points for sure, but after so many years of getting frustrated with “virtual cables” I just had to take the plunge! I started with semi-modular + the very affordable AE modular starter rack and then added Eurorack DIY stuff. By the way, I would like to add that DIY makes it more affordable, but at the same time it also makes for serious constraints depending on skill level when starting out. I would have loved to just start with a few Mutable Instruments modules, but those are really hard to build - all tiny SMD parts - so I‘m only getting to them now after quite a while of building. I know it’s worth it for the money I saved, but it delayed the moment where I could actually make the music I wanted to make. Guess what, Monsoon was the critical-mass-achieved module 😉

Very insightful and realistic approach!

Very new to this all. Agree with what you said. I dove in head first and have spent a ton of money already. I was lucky though in that I found someone very knowledgeable that was able to help guide me along with some of this stuff. Good video

There was a time when a few made music with what little they had, an old rudimentary seq, a drum machine and maybe some cheap synthesizer. Nowadays there are many who are obsessed with collecting the material that their references use without barely making music. Those are the brand market friends.

Great video. One problem that all noobs will have when they first get into modular synthesis, is that they won't know enough about it to actually plan a rack. I don't mean knowledge about synthesis itself - I knew plenty about that when I first started in modular - what I mean is, that modular synthesis totally changed my relationship with music and how I make it. I had no idea that would happen.

I really enjoy building modules, I don't have the time to do it as much as I'd like. I get that's not for everyone. And I think a cheap semimodular (Crave) and a good set of patches to try out helps set the expectations of what your own modular should do. A mother-32/crave covers a lot of ground because it the utilities it has (noise, crossfader, mixer, etc). You can get several drum sounds, nice bass and lead sounds, and lots of wild stuff non-intuitive stuff that a beginner wouldn't have guessed on their own. for bare minimum with a lot of immediate benefit would be a voice like Plaits, Braids, Rings, or Doepfer A-111-5/A-111-6. A utility with line-out like DivKid Stereo Strip (which is also useful as an EQ and VCA). a CV keyboard/sequencer like Keystep 37 or Keystep Pro. External pedals can add delay and reverb but are limited because they lack external modulation. Eurorack format effects are quite expensive compared to their pedal counterparts and getting everything quickly adds up. Using an Ornaments & Crime as a CV quantizer with programmable scale can give you a lot of control over generative patches. Generative patches can really take off with powerful modulation sources like ALM's Pip Slope MkII, loopable envelope such as Rides in the Storm's FEG, Maths, Behringer's Abacus, After Later Audio's Tilt, Vortex Generator, ALM's Pam's Pro/NEW Workout, etc.

I like your videos my guy. You’re fun to listen to. Keep it up.

Wise, kindly and refreshing to hear.

Good advice... Spot on... I've been two years into modular synths now, and I've made pretty much the experiences that you describe...

Thanks, useful for me... i clicked on this after watching a tiptop/buchla 200 video, thinking hmmm maybe nows the time i finally start a modular rig. This was a useful reality check... also for me yeah i did go some of the alternative routes you mentioned, firstly with a couple of cheap analog semimodulars so i could play with cables, then the hydrasynth which is a proper digital modular thing in its own right, and more recently added an mpc one. Ive still ending up spending a chunk, but not nearly as much as i would have done on just a modest modular rig, and ive ‘built’ a full system around the hydra and the mpc and a few other hardware synths that is super flexible and endless fun and inspiration. Cheers.

Hi DMT I'm glad I found this before I got any futher into it....I'm at the stage of hearing people get great sounds out of small setups of 62HP or smaller. Since the modules are really cool, I can see why people are partial to Eurorack...But for those of us on a tighter budget- you may want to check out the new AE format through tangible waves. A setup that will run me about $1,800 Eurorack is under $400 with AE. If my real goal is to learn audio engineering and synthesis, this solution will work if I'm honest. Some people might say "Oh, I'd be happy with just a little rig..." Not for long you won't, says probably more than one person with a full wall.

Love the video and agree that time and money will be invested, so be forewarned, new folks! I also want to add there are lots of fantastic forms, discords, and local groups out there to help and give feedback on experiences with gear. Also, the synth shops are staffed with really great people nowadays. So really spend some time asking questions with the community before making your first purchases, especially if you don't have a local shop!

Great video! Having just started in Eurorack I’m riding the line of a hybrid set up , with modular, semi-modular, and dedicated boxes. I have small 60hp case, and as of today I can’t see doing more than doubling that. As of today I have a pretty clear idea of how I want to use modular, and I def want to get a full size set of keys in the mix. As of today modular has a pretty limited scope in my set up, at-least that’s how I’m trying to approach it.😄

Your intros are the best!

Love your videos, not enough people making real youtube style content about this stuff!

If you have the modular itch, try working with cheap software modular systems first. You'll get some sense of the time it takes, a sense of thinking involved, and at the end of the day of you like it, you'll realize three advantages you'll always have with software modular over HW. 1) you'll save $$$$ and time 2) you'll easily and cheaply be able to create polyphonic setups 3) saving patching for instant recall Then there's a few other minor but significant benefits is no-cost integration with your DAW. Any patch point can be brought out into its separate DAW track, and saves space, and there's some others I'm sure I'm forgetting at the moment like more frequent updates and software patch cables, knobs and switches dont wear out. Controllers are cheap. Some potential disadvantages depending on the individual. 1) software cannot beat the sound qualities of dedicated HW and especially true analog, but that getting closer every year now. 2) no sense of tactile, immediate hands-on control 3) more latency, but here again that's improving with each year too. 4) finally the most significant disadvantage with software as I have found throughout the years is the PC and OS issues plague applications. You'll build many modular creations that you'll want to last a lifetime, but ironically the OS and the PC hardware will eventually change where a lot of the work you did 10 years ago or even shorter simply wont run correctly or will not run at all. Many of those software companies won't support the old software on new systems, or will be long gone. But this fact may not be an issue for some who just want to get songs and the stems recorded then start over and create something entirely new never caring about remastering or remixing the old. These disadvantages of software modular are much more subjective than modular HW.

Good timing on me watching this. Was considering starting buying these things, but I think making structured tracks is a priority.

Hi. Just dropped in on your channel. First of all, really slick and well produced videos. Sharp and well lit. Thumbs up for that. As for eurorack I have applied your suggested approach in real life. I started out as a poor student in 1995 So I could only afford an empty deeper case, once VCA, 1 VCO, 1 VCF, 1 ADSR and 1 LFO. I had that for a long time and basically just made bass sounds with it. I was alone and this was pre internet so there were no real sources to get tips. I basicly got stuck. I did not stop using it, but it was my bass maker. It was not until a few years later that I got an opportunity to buy a used full 6G Doeper basic system things took off. It is as you say that you really need some amount of modules to get it going. It does not have to be complex modules. Actually I prefer simple modules that does one thing and have no menu diving. But having a mixed and 3 VCOs and a couple of LFOs and ADFSs totally change thing when you mix waveform, use some cross modulation or FM. So I think the best suggestion for starting out in Eurorack is to try and find a used system with a couple of VCOs in it. Usually it is cheaper to buy a full system cause most people want to buy "just that one special module". And as you say modules hold their value pretty good so if you buy a system with like 10 modules and end up hating 3 they are usually easy to sell off. As for time, that is some serious deep end to open the door on our existence. Should I spend my time writing this? Should I spend time with my gear? Should I spend time with friends? In the end what matters when your time is up? Really really deep...

Thanks. Not yet started modular. ❤

This is why have a Doepfer A-100 system. Easy to use and relatively cheap. A few semi modulars would have been cheaper probably.

Found your video and really enjoyed it! Subbed.

there is certainly some hidden costs like,,, remember that meme where "buys module, forgets patch cables" or whatever haha also, i try to avoid menu diving modules, like that damn expert sleeper module, i sold that really quick, i know its powerful, but only for someone with a ton of time, which i do not have haha great video!

I needed to see this, thank you!

Hey I just found your channel. I'm a fan now. so what do you think about the Berhinger system 55 set up? I'm think of getting it, but is it worth it?

Wise advices. I agree most of what you said here. (the "critical mass" of a modular, need of time to learn, time to play, time to search sounds, the fact modular synths are not the only solution to produce music, but they are fantastic tool too, and so on...).

I think I can achieve most stuff a Eurorack does with any synth, a Polyend Seq and a bunch of effect pedals so I think that would be a good alternative. I had a Make Noise O-Coast first and found the cable stuff very confusing so before you go into Eurorack, maybe try out a Moog Mavis or DFAM - if that's already too much cable fuzz for you, stop right there!

My take; start with at least a 48hp case, get a cheap out/headphone out and used Mutable clones (braids/plaits and multifunction ones like peaks, stages or tides), finish off with filters and vca's when you're comfortable.

Thank you for making this video! I decided to hold off from Eurorack months ago to purchase an MPC LIVE II, and it was the right choice for me. Although I am familiar with modular synthesis, it's just a huge budget and requires a lot of time to learn that I know I don't have at the moment. Eventually I would love to experiment with it to enhance my sampling capabilities (with the Assimil8or for example) but I am good with what I have at the moment :)

Thanks , good tuto start for .

I came across this video and was heartened to hear some wisdom to music tech consumers! I am sure I am not alone among those who stare at modestly large collection of modules and realize on a daily basis how LITTLE I know about the hardware I have acquired.

Back when I was starting out, I was crushing on the Arp 2600 and Roland Model 100(M) (we're talking '70s here). Just 'coz (Isao) Tomita and Wendy Carlos used a Roland Model 700 or a Moog Modular didn't mean I *needed* to. Something like a Roland SH-7 or SH-5 was more accessible... but polyphony was more important for me, particularly when I was using a 4-track Portastudio for recording. As mentioned, the flexibility is wonderful... but it's also overwhelming.. when most of the time, you're using the 'standard' (normalized) signal path routing. O'course, it totally depends on how critical sound design is in your music making... and then, maybe you'd look at a lot more options than just a 'Eurorack' -type platform anyway. I'd suggest to NOT simply fall for the trap of spending mega$$$ on something that is currently fashionable and will suck-up all your time... and if you have to go the Eurorack route, p'raps look at software versions first (Softube, VCV Rack, etc) and see if you'll really use all that flexibility.

best advice is always start with semi-modular. The value will always be superior to a small number of modules. after that you can either stop there; get knee deep in modular if your budget allows; or get more semi-modulars and still get an interesting modular system. For me I started getting into it but then realised that spending so much to get a kind of standalone music making system is crazy; so I dialed it down. My approach is to have individual instruments that can work together, and with a daw. There are a few interesting sound sources I want; but in the end it's going in a pod where it'll be it's self contained instrument; along with my other semi modular synths. Also there's a lot to learn from modular approaches; and those techniques can then be used in software (with things like max for live; vcv; bitwig and so on; many options to choose from; and it can sound great too)

this video honestly helped me dodge a bullet, so thank you. it seems like modular is for folks with disposable income and lots of time on their hands. i was on the fence, researching, comparing, trying to assess if it would integrate nicely into my current all-hardware setup, and it just sounds like it'd be *another thing* to manage. genuinely, thank you for keeping me from heading down another expensive rabbit hole. and good luck to the folks with the wealth and space to take the plunge! i'm looking forward to hearing the music y'all end up making!

The post was spot on re: the investment and time involved. I can attest that the modular addiction desire can easily get you way up in the $$$ stratosphere over time and every new module compounds the time availability. ( I'm hoping modules will continue to retain value and not end up as pennies on the dollar like the initial 60's CV synths did ). I hope to retire soon and will have the time to dedicate to the addiction ..

I share your thoughts 100%. Starting my first eurorack at the moment I spent 300€ for a TipTop case with PSU and two Beringer Modules (VCO/VCF/VCA & Mixer). Having a lot of experience with synths and studio workflows, I thought it would be a good idea to learn those simple modules before moving on. A cheap and good way might also be to bring in your old guitar pedals (always keep in mind to keep the levels -18db lower in this case). That way you can determine what effect type you are missing in your signal chain for very low cost.

EXCELLENT VIDEO! 👍

If I'd start right now, i would: * Get some semi modular that can be inserted in a Eurorack system (recently got an east beast, that's some serious value for money there) * Try some sequencer. I bought a NerdSeq, relatively early, but I don't really use it. * Maybe get some USB-interface, and do some of the stuff on your computer. (Befaco AC/DC gives you 4 channel in and out of your Eurorack and isn't too expensive. You can then use for example VCV rack to do something.) * get some small selection of multiuse modules and learn them deeply. * get some DROID modules earlier instead of getting different modulator modules, it's a pretty great ecosystem with a nice community. Jep, the DROID master has quite a pricetag, but the getting some modulator modules adds up to the same price.

as a modular user i have to say i love it. there is a lot of good shit out there and its a question of ur personal taste. also love the elektron boxes but they are exprensive too and less individual.

I am patiently waiting for XAOC Devices to produce more Hrad expanders to make my Praga mixer module more useful and easier to use. But no plans to buy anything this year.

Thanks for the video. I have not actually bought any modules yet but I am going through the thinking process or what I want to get out of this. Your video appealed to me because you expressed exactly what my key motivation is: I want to get AWAY from the computer. It would have been nice to hear some other thoughts around that. I feel I spend too much time on the computer and need something else that captures my imagination but is a bit healthier in a way. I like the idea that Eurorack is more limiting. When using it you can only do music. On the computer you can get distracted to do a million other things instead of focusing on one thing. I tried a software synth, Pigments 5. It is a beautiful piece of software but it feels like it is not what I was looking for. I have tried playing with hardware synths in music stores and it feels more right. Software feels so limitless that you cannot manage to focus your attention on anything really. I like that the hardware has more obvious limits you need to work within and learn to master. I am curious if others have these kinds of thoughts of feelings round the choice of hardware.... like why get hardware that costs way more, but is actually more limiting than software?

I can confirm. I've been in and out of it twice, and the cost over time is insanity. It can be the most fun and freeing way of making music you'll ever find, but you can get bored of the oscillators or filter, and getting new stuff is always a bunch of $. Then you have to sell to fund it, and the loop starts over. If you have endless money and space, go nuts, but otherwise you have to learn a lot of self-discipline, and find ways to avoid the synthfluencers, the forums and the synth sites. This stuff is like sugar.

Please teach do more beginner stuff I have drum machines, synths, and effects processors I just can’t understand modular synthesis

The gr1 ist the reason for me too that brought me to eurorack. Amazing gear but the difference between menudiving and cv is huge

Eurocrack is an apt phrase. I’d agree, you need around 170hp of modules (maybe £2000 to £3500) for a workable instrument that doesn’t require a bunch of supplemental modules. Having some semi modular stuff off on the side can be a good start. I’d add something which is that I love playing my eurorack system but seem to make a lot less music which I would release on an album. It almost like it’s made me more into the process than the end result. When i used to use traditional synths and samplers/ drum machines etc I used to make a new album every year or two. Since getting into eurorack i haven’t made any albums. A few finished tracks but not enough to release.

I'm a beginner who's split between buying the Korg Minilogue XD (~$750) or a modular setup of around the same price, and I'm wondering if you have any input on what might be the best move? On one hand, getting the Minilogue might be nice because it's just one single thing to get to know instead of a bunch of different modules, but on the other hand the customizability of the modular realm is really intriguing. Thoughts?

This is why I'm sticking to small cases with a module or two each. A good chunk of my pedals and synthesizers (and even one desktop mixer i've been eyeing) already give/take CV signals anyway.

was hopiong to get into euro rack and building something around arbhar but dont even know where to begin and what modules would accomidate nicely w arbhar, granular is life!!

When the Ipad first came out, I thought 'surely this is the end of hardware synthesizers' as it could emulate the look and output of any synth, but wow was I so wrong, people just love to spend money on boxes and blinking leds haha. Its the same appeal as PC building I guess, with the same expense, if not more.

Stopped at 9u, and got into PureData. It's free and its all the modules I'll ever need. I was using mostly dsp modules anyways so it just makes sense for me to go back into the box. I probably won't sell my gear though. Sometimes you just need to wiggle.

Thanks a great video. I think you guys are all crazy but I applaud you!

These are great pointers, and I appreciate that you provided alternatives instead of potentially crushing someone's dream/enthusiasm I went as much of the DIY route as I could since I'm very capable with soldering, I quickly filled my first rack, and am now doing my best to not buy anymore modules until my current build is next to paid off lol. I'll probably end up compromising as soon as the next set of tip top Buchla modules are released :P

im in France and i like what u said...if only i had understood this years before!!

Had an interest in modular for a while, mostly for the aesthetic. But then I saw a demo of the Turing Machine and I fell in love. I love that it's a sort of synthesis (heh) of machine and human. The machine generates, the human selects when to loop, the performance is the interplay between what the machine does and what the human does. I'm into jazz and the whole concept of interplay has always been important to me. Being able to generate a call for me to respond to is just blowing my mind with possibilities. Haven't actually committed to the whole rack thing though. Have some semi modulars that I can swap into a rack for a sound source once I do decide to pony up for all the rest of it. Trying to find a way to swap tonal centers currently. Jazz moves around key areas a lot and that's the sort of thing I'm used to playing. A lot of synth stuff tends to sit in one key though and I haven't seen anything (at a glance) that looks like it would let me even do simple stuff like move around cycle 4. I'm sure there's something out there that can achieve this but it's not something I've encountered yet.

I just want to build drum machine, the sound modules are ok but I want modules that modulate patterns, density fills. I want to go as complex as the ear can here. I’m struggling finding those. I have a Euclidean VST which is great, and I know Grids has set patterns that you can increase and decrease density. I need a large grid also to tap in sequences or record sequences. It’s probably out there just trying to find it. Plus I want some form of effects module, but I’m okay for that to be seperate as there are so many great off the shelf effects pedals and boxes. Would be nice ti be able to sample. Sounds like I lm stuck between modular and a top end groove box?

I'm starting with DIY and I'll move into $300 - $400 cards later :) I would have liked to see more on case size choice. My DIY case is made of old bed slats so its the width of my old single bed.

hey, before i dived into the eurorack world i read a lot (realy a lot) of manuals. and i took the time (still today) to learn "something" about modular synthesis and the history of electronic music. i started with an idea because i had the "need" for a special interface. this is what pushed me into eurorack. the "special" need for "my" musical expression. finaly i could realize it and now it works perfectly. and i dont have the need to expand or lets say better: to file the hole in my heard with unnecessary stuff. because there is not satisfaction. so: make a goal, realize it and suck all the knowledge out of it. hopefully you find a path to something beyond. by the way, see my two videos about my realized "dream system" bests from berlin.

Whatever modules you get first, a Disting or Disting EX is a great next step. With one of those, you can find out if you need a dedicated module that carries out one of its functions. Example: I have a DFAM, and part of the EX is perma-wired as a quantiser. So a dedicated quantiser is a justified expense. Also, effects. You can buy dedicated eurorack reverbs, delays, etc, but used guitar pedals are a lot cheaper.

I think music as a hobby can have some expensive aspects to it. E.g. my clarinet cost around 2000€. Also the modules are like assets so you can always sell them.

Do you release your music anywhere? What’s your Moniker?

A Behringer 2600 (or TWO 2600 !) with a couple of pedals is a pretty fantastic and cost savvy replacement for a Eurorack modular.

I've been wrestling with my conscious for months over cost and finally want to take the leap.I'm looking for a system for creating drones and sound fx, budget £2,500. I need advice have checked many video's and Noise Engineering is my first choice Cursus Iteritas Percido any input would be appreciated.

"... is there just a box that can do similar things?" I recently decided to take the plunge into eurorack, as an extension of a trend I've been setting for a long time. This video fascinated me for taking a critical eye to that, but this line stood out to me. The reason I don't like DAWs is that they aren't hands-on: you're staring at a screen and manipulating a software interface that makes no bones about being a software interface. When I tried using DAWs historically, I found my creativity just wasn't there. I could invent more with a Korg Minilogue, and since then I've had my hands on _much_ more powerful polysynths. The feeling of these is that they're instruments; complicated and customizable ones, but instruments. Being hands-on and extended in space is a virtue I have been more than willing to pay for. Which I guess is, to your point, one answer to this question. No, there isn't a box that can do similar things, because the defining characteristic is that it isn't a box.

Where were you 10 months ago?? LOL! I’ve spent a big chunk and I feel like I’m just getting into the door when it comes to creativity. Do I regret it? Not really. It’s a long story…familiar to many, but it’s been a blast. Anyway, this is a great video. You bring a logical sense to eurorack. Many thanks!!

Viable approach: zero money and vcv rack. Also, it’s better to get 2-3 semimodular devices. It gives wide amount of features out of the box for less money + modular experience. I love DIY, but i only build projects for fun, like MFOS. I consider making DIY version of 606, not because i need it, i just love soldering and see how a pile of parts becomes musical machine.

I got pulled into eurorack by the Noise Engineering BIA. Im a drummer, love industrial-ish music and had always disliked most electronic drums. Then I heard the noise and grit offered by the BIA. It all seemed so easy. A case, sequencer, BIA and Im making NIN beats. As you know, thats not how it works. Ive been down many rabbit holes and learning curves. While I have had many iterations, the two most helpful things have been learning synthesis and figuring out my needs / wants. Also, Im just gonna throw out there that I think its a horrible idea to buy any musical gear to just let it self generate. Nothing wrong with generative music, but if you want to influence the modules and instruments, you gotta learn some things, including some music theory (like scales and intervals).

Started with Grandmother and can’t believe where I end up even with a ER 301, and 6 rows of 104 hp what a waste of money and time that don’t have could be one of the factors, preferred to buy a stand alone gear plus had more of the musical experience but not as deep as the sound manufacture obtained with eurorack, the DIY it’s deep too, small parts that at the age of 50 you need a microscope to see the values

I recently discovered input latency when monitoring the modular through ableton. I have to admit I always jammed around for fun so far and didn't monitor or record anything ;-) Will I have latency when I record stuff and if so, how do I prevent it?

I love it, no regrets

So what you want is an MPC and what you actually get is a eurorack wall. That's like going into town for some daily shopping and ending up on a plane to ibiza for 3 weeks without luggage.

when I'm having fun - it's time well spent :)