EUROVISION 2024 Results & Shocks: backstage negativity, jury push, disqualification of "Europapa"

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Eurovision 2024 has proven to be one of the most negative and tense both in the arena and the press centre. From harsh questioning of artists and media backstage on their political position to booing Israel to sudden and undeserved disqualification of Joost Klein (with the Netherlands being one of the favourites) just a few hours before the Grand Final.
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@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

I want to thank you all for your thoughtful comments, subscriptions and likes, knowledgeable Eurofans. YOU are the Eurovision power! 😘

@mariozvan9782 3 месяца назад

Yes, you are right, the votes and the wishes of the European public appear not to matter, whether in something trivial such as Eurosong, or much more serious existential issues.

@Widdekuu91 3 месяца назад

Not to mention, I have been told that Joost had requested multiple times NÓT to be filmed when crying/reliving trauma backstage about his parents. And they told him they would honor that request. But they did not. I personally disliked the Israelsituation not because of the singer but because of Netanyahu's loud praise and that they posted advertisements online ánd because of the sponsors who might have conflict of interest. It just made the entire fact that they joinef really weird and feel ungenuine.

@naitomea14 3 месяца назад

Am I the only one that thinks next year there will be a lot of troll entries because of everything that happend this year? I mean many broadcasters were not happy at all. At the end the broadcaster decide who will go to the ESC. I am happy as a Swiss that we can held the ESC next year :) But I can totaly understand the whole thing about croatia. They had a good song and they deserved to win! I was more surprised that Finland got low points of the public votes. I thought they get more (and deserved more).

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

You might be right about jokey entries next year. And probably quite a few Europapa-like ones.

@trao1938 3 месяца назад

Thank you for your thoughtful and fair analysis of this year's contest. A big catalyst to the escalation of tensions this season needs to be discussed, and it involves members of the Eurovision press, bloggers, and content creators. Whether or not their intentions were genuine, or just clever strategies for advancing their own visibility on social media platforms, they share some responsibility for making a difficult situation even worse for this year's participating contestants. We've read articles that described how competitors were facing public backlash and potential career damage just for agreeing to take part in Eurovision 2024. I would imagine some of these competitors felt unfairly pressured to make statements, fearing they'd be the next victims of cancel culture. And then of course, there may have been competitors who believed hopping on the political bandwagon would boost their own visibility, credibility, and public favorwith the televoters. Those gestures we assumed to be 'courageous' messages of support could've very well been tactical strategies used for their own self-promotion and advancement. Regardless, the competitors never should have been placed in such a perilous situation. The stress and exhaustion of participating in Eurovision- the continuous cycle of rehearsals, revisions, and press interviews is already more than the mind and body can handle. Feeling obligated to make controversial political statements concerning another country's competitor or government is not only wrong, it's beyond the duties of the job they all came to do. This is why Eurovision/the EBU should have a no tolerance policy with regard to its contestants' involvement in discussions of political matters. As a citizen, it's Bambi Thug's right to say they think Israel should not be allowed to participate in the competition. But as a fellow contestant, making that statement should not be condoned or tolerated. Likewise, the conduct displayed by Joost and Marina Satti at the Eurovision press conference was neither becoming or acceptable. Certainly both competitors are entitled to their private opinions. But every contest has its own set of rules and regulations, which all participants are expected to follow. If contestants cannot abide by these rules, they shouldn't agree to participate. They all knew well in advance that Israel would be performing at Eurovision, and they could've withdrawn for their own valid and understandable reasons. However, it was also the press that was responsible for instigating and exascerbating division within the competition, by asking contestants questions of a political nature. These questions should also be restricted, specifically for the safety and well-being of those taking part in the contest. Because allowing them forces the contestants into providing non-apolitical responses which undermine the contest's own expressed guidelines. The entire Eurovision organization must do better to protect the contestants from this type of coercion. Because today's social media can literally destroy a performer's life and livelihood in one day.

@Emanon... 3 месяца назад

I appreciate your opinion, but the entire point fails on a single thing: If ESC is non-pllitical, why were Russia and Belarus excluded? Was it not for an illegal war and occupation? Well, Israel has been a brutal occupier for 57 years and are now committing genocide. Lastly, the Ukrainians were wearing "Free Azovstal defenders" T-shirts. That's openly political call to release POWs that also incidentally happen to be a battalion of neonazis. If being accused of genocide and starving people isn't a cause for protest and shame, I don't see why we even should have the ESC. What? Just allow them to use it for propaganda as they do for everything else? I rest my case.

@trao1938 3 месяца назад

@@Emanon... You raise a very valid point, my friend. Where does the EBU draw the line, and should there even be a line? If a country is banned for creating a war, shouldn't other participating countries- whose governments are funding that war, also be excluded, too? When the US illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, The UK, Poland, Denmark, Italy, and Spain also sent their troops. Should those countries have been banned from competing in Eurovision? How much murder and massacre by one country is considered 'too much? " These are the discussions the EBU needs to be having, because these types of problems aren't going away. Now, I will answer your question based upon what I personally believe was the most significant matter affecting this year's contest, and the one which was most crucial for the EBU to handle in a responsible manner. Because when Israel was permitted to participate in Eurovision this year, I don't think the EBU, Eden Golan, or any of us truly anticipated just how frightening and tempestuous the event would become.Still, this doesn't absolve the EBU from it's overall responsibility, which was to prioritize the safety and security of its participants, workers, and audiences, first and foremost.. No matter the event or the organizers, no matter anyone's political or religious beliefs, no matter if we agree that Israel's participation was valid and fair, the result of that decision created a working environment that was dangerous and potentially life-threatening to all who were there.. The public's growing outrage and hostility,, the swarms of angry protesters surrounding the event, the aggressive threats, and the increased security everywhere in and around the arena created an environment that was fraught with palpable fear and alarm. There is no question this heightened level of anxiety and panic affected the performers, who all had just cause to worry for their personal safety. We've witnessed past Eurovision shows where some random guy made his way onto the stage. I watched Saturday's Grand Final with feelings of extreme apprehension and concern that some horrible incident could take place at any moment. I can't imagine all the performers weren't feeling that themselves; that some terrorist group was going to exploit the event and unleash a violent means of protest. This is when cooler heads should've prevailed, and The Powers That Be should've said, "This isn't worth it." It wasn't worth risking Eden Golan's health and safety on that stage. It wasn't worth risking the safety of the other performers, or the crowds in attendance. Either Israel should've been confronted with the sobering truth that their participation wasn't worth endangering thousands of lives, or the entire event should've been shut down for the safety of all concerned. Because no one should have to endure that level of distress, for a song contest. But getting back to my point, which is the escalation of political and social messages in Eurovision through social media pundits, in the age of cancel culture..We have to be careful not to let the contest- or ourselves get bullied and ruled by whatever hot topic appeals to RU-vid creators primarily seeking to boost subscribers. Cause if there's a quick bandwagon to hop on, these armchair activists won't hesitate to exploit it in the name of creating content. This year it's Israel's war, next year it could be Moldova's stance on gay rights or Ireland's escalating violence against immigrants. There's plenty of injustice going on throughout the world, and it's not the job of Eurovision to solve it.

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

Very true what you're saying. The contestants are exhausted to their boiling point and political tensions is the last thing they should be dealing with when preparing. They came to sing. And no matter whether they were pro or against Israel, they'd be criticized by some. EBU could have prevented that from the start by not letting any country in any state of confict participate in Eurovision. It's like they enjoy the political drama surrounding the contest.

@CatsLilaSalem 3 месяца назад

The current theory is that Joost got the DQ so easily because they wanted an distraction from all the delegation problems. Now it is also made known that a lot of countries made official complaints about it, including NL, before the DQ

@manuelaburic5204 3 месяца назад

Everything you said is spot on. ;)

@elbestia 3 месяца назад

well, Bambie Thug didn't face retaliation as the girl is a self-proclaimed non-binary therefore she fits in the narrative they want to push. Joost was unfairly disqualified but since the whole competition of this year had a very heavy misandric component and he "assaulted" (as they put it the first time) a female employee it was just too perfect for the EBU to not to bank it and make as another case of "see? men are animals" , Israel got 300 plus pointsfrom the public and the jury made Nemo win the whole thing.... Eurovision was always a politicized event,...THe last legit winner of the competition was in 2021 when Maneskin won the whole thing...

@ThaGamingMisfit 3 месяца назад

I have never seen someone contradict his own bullshit so much in 4 lines of text, congratulations ! I guess that's normal from right wing conspiracy theory persons, but still. What was not legit about Sweden and Finland finishing 1 and 2 last year? Italians getting top 7 every time, no matter what garbage they sent, getting diaspora voting from literally everywhere sure isn't political, so Italian winner is legit ! Italian broadcaster seems very legit too, making a graphic to show semi final results on television sure looks accidential legit. I do agree there is a problem when most countries give so many 12's to the same country, but that's nothign political, that's jury bias. And that jury saved Eurovision last week, if Israel won Eurovision would literally be over forever. EBU doesn't want to push the non-binary narritive, dudes they banned that flag ! If anything it's the public vote that's most political, it's the public vote that makes this contest most political, and there is nothign you can do to prevent sheep people vote for a nation just because it's in a war situation. Juries have serious issues, but the average person voting seriously has issues.

@Marijan-fg4md 3 месяца назад

Who is the Eurovision for?The public,Croatia won,the end.

@gwwademan 3 месяца назад

@laust1231 3 месяца назад

Tbf, Loraine Got Less than 20 points more than Nemo in the televote, 243 vs 226 (though also 25 points more in the jury vote) and Croatia actually Got 60 points more from the jury than Finland did last year

@Wamubodo 3 месяца назад

Good analysis. In a way it was an anti-vote. Very strong with juries but also with the televote. And it kills me. For the artists, for the event and fans. Maybe it is impossible to ignore 2 wars but sometimes it feels good to be in a bubble. And it popped.

@dragonblossom-qw2pl 3 месяца назад

Croatia 🇭🇷 delegation should leave this competition

@id9139 3 месяца назад

I agree. Boycott. This was such a stitch up.

@Carois78 3 месяца назад

Please

@CatsLilaSalem 3 месяца назад

When you just look at the songs, this year was really good. But for the voters, there where maybe to many options which is why some good songs scored really low

@trao1938 3 месяца назад

Exactly. I don't think any country embarrassed itself this year.

@EmoBearRights 3 месяца назад

Jury winners taking the trophy may well ironically be a side effect of televote only semis - the jury bait songs get weeded out (I think that Belgium, Australia and maybe even Czechia and Denmark might have been helped through to the finals if there were juries) and there was more televote friendly songs (I don't think Finland and Estonia would have got through with juries and possibly even Norway and Austria too) so there are more options for them in the finals and it splits the vote. I don't like Austria so I'm biased.

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

You've made a good point here, @EmoBearRights 👍 Jury would've helped Belgium, Australia and yeah maybe Denmark go to the Final. And Norway, Finland and Austria could've been non-qualifiers and we wouldn't have been shocked by their low final scores.

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

Absolutely. Exceptionally strong year this time, and not overloaded with ballads, unlike during the covid period.

@ellenverbunt9224 3 месяца назад

As much as I liked the song Rim Tim Tagi Dim by Baby Lasagna, it should never have been approved by the EBU. Because against the rules of the EBU, Baby Lasanga had used 2 old samples to make this song. He used a sample of part of a song by the group Pain. And one part of Rim Tim Tagi Dim is identical to Espectro, a demo by dj Adrián de la Vega. In February this DJ wanted to take legal action, but the matter has probably been resolved financially. But actually this song did not have to be approved. The Israeli government tried to achieve victory through a gigantic voting campaign that cost 16 million euros. This campaign also ran via rightwing website/talk shows and big billboards in the US. Many voters had not heard her sing. I can imagine that instructions were indeed given to the juries to let Israel win. Because it is forbidden to campaign with government money, they should actually have excluded Israel from participating, but that was not possible because their major sponsor Moroccanoil comes from Israel. The only way to make up for the unfair exclusion of Joost Klein is to have Joost perform in the final show as a special guest.

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

Interesting. Thanks for these precise figures. And yes, when people favorite Aidan was disqualified from Malta Eurovision selection, he was still invited as a guest singer for an internal and brought the house down. But EBU were unnecessary strict where it wasn't necessary.

@user-zl4mq3bf5c 3 месяца назад

Nemo is a fake winner, the real winner is Croatia, which was confirmed by televoting, Eurovision died in Sweden, many countries will withdraw from the competition next year, unfortunately.

@dragonblossom-qw2pl 3 месяца назад

Croatia Serbia and other country on Balkan s my kid guit out

@gabesalgado789 3 месяца назад

The real winner is Israel 🇮🇱

@Emanon... 3 месяца назад

No, man. That was fair. Don't be a bitch just because your country lost.

@th5841 3 месяца назад

Let us just accept it. The public want party songs. The public want funny acts. The public want pop and girl bops. The public want generic songs. The people want straight artists more than non straight artists. The juries want pop The juries want English speaking entries. French and Italian is also good. The juries want good vocals. The juries want serious entries. Acts like Gåte fell outside so many of these checks. Gåte were even «boring». And I am surpriced by Austria, because they were everything evrybody wants. And in a «normal» year everything would have been so different about Nemo and in general, because the voting would have been very different. Israel would never have got 320 points. Ukraine would have got less, as well. So Nemo becoming 5th isn’t a good argument to eliminate juries. And were juries told to vote for him or were they coordinated to do so? You like some conspiracies, don’t you?

@shlomomarkman6374 3 месяца назад

There wasn't a "normal" year since 2019. 2020 was cancelled, 2021 was done with travel restrictions and all performers had to isolate themselves as getting the virus meant disqualification. Then the wars had started. In a normal year the UK would have won 2022 and Ukraine's "1944" wouldn't exist. In 2023 Finland would get even more televotes forcing dropping of juries. In this year both Ukrainian and Israeli entries would have been different and Israeli performer wouldn't be Eden Golan as without the Russian war she would have stayed in Russia, might even represent Russia... What 2025 can hold? Even more wars? Russia attempting to invade other countries? NATO intervention in Ukraine? Civil wars in Georgia and/or Armenia or another Azerbaijan war? Iran-Israel war or another expanded mid-eastern conflict involving the US and UK? Global trade disruption because of a Taiwan war? Nukes flying...

@gerardkhachaturyan4814 3 месяца назад

Just one problem. If Joost was allowed to participate in the final, Ukraine would have won again anyway, like a normal day in the office. Because every country (except Ukraine) would have their points taken, even by the smallest of margins. Even Joost himself wouldn't survive.

@musiceol7 3 месяца назад

Perhaps we've all had enough of Eurovision. It's a huge waste of money that most national broadcasters desperately need to keep the lights on. Revenue from TV commercials isn't what it used to be. I don't understand why songs require expensive staging and the massive amount of electricity needed. It makes the experience of watching it exhausting.

@ThaGamingMisfit 3 месяца назад

Sadly capitalism rules the world so we can't have a basic song contest anymore. I would sign up for that just a music show, no bullshit about sponsoring, big five, at least every nation would be able to compete. Now Switzerland won and we'll have the most expensive show ever in 2025. Sad times.

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

@@ThaGamingMisfit Oh yes, Eurovision 2025 will be even more expensive. I said that even before Nemo won: "If Switzerland wins, I won't afford to go next year". If even in Malmō a supermarket club sandwich was 10€ 😮 for the press center and 4-5€ coffee. Everything for press, right? 😢

@HrvojeSandukcic 3 месяца назад

Bambi Thug is thug/bully and her crying is cry of spoiled brat that did not get what it wants. She is full of hate toward fellow artist, just as Joost was. So crying for them is unjustified.

@ThaGamingMisfit 3 месяца назад

Yeah and I guess you know both of them personally? Of course Bambie is an attention seeker, and so is Joost, but I don't think they have done anything wrong. I bet if you were autistic and someone shoved a camera in your face and butthole even after being asked 5 times not to you would make a gesture too. That doesn't make them hateful people. But I guess you wouldn't understand because everyone who is different than your ideological right wing vision is hateful right? Speaking about hypocrisy, you're probably the same person that shouts that everyone is against Croatia because they didn't win despite most people voting for them. Goddamn Calimero people.

@Zycoreination 3 месяца назад

I miss the Eurovision 1997-2008 when only people's votes counted, there were no jury votes. So many great winners from different countries and genres over that time period. My two favorites was Croatia and Austria this year, it feels wierd that the 5th ranked got the trophy. I hope we can reform voting system in upcoming years either lowering jury influence to only 30% of votes or going back to the old rules.

@th5841 3 месяца назад

I don’t miss that dark age aera at all. So many joke entries. So many fu entries. Some good songs, but too low level in general.

@th5841 3 месяца назад

How many people did turn off their curiosity and acceptance for them not being a straight «normal» dude? To me it was clearly a deserved winner. Croatia was a party song. Party songs always get more love from the public. But are they better, though?

@Zycoreination 3 месяца назад

@@th5841 this is Eurovision... It's all about acceptance, just look at the winners during 1997-2008, we have Molitva and Diva for example. Bigotry is not really a thing in Eurovision and I'm saying this as a non straight (Pan)... As for the argument that it's a "better" song because of complexity... You can invent the most complex gadget in the world that noone uses, but it still won't be as enjoyable as a hug from someone you love.

@EmoBearRights 3 месяца назад

Actually if you discount Israel's astroterfed and orchestrated televote (which I feel free to do) then Nemo was narrowly 4th in the televote by one point from France. I don't think the juries were instructed to give Switzerland 12 points - it's just then and the French were the jury big hitters and then Slimane stuffed up his big note in the jury show. Also I think the juries may have wanted to strongly signal boost a country that wasn't Israel as the Italian vote leak made it obvious what was going on there. Although it wasn't that cynical as Croatia were only 3rd with the juries.

@lorandsakic2059 3 месяца назад

It is all about getting much more money from the public. Shame on you Eurovision organisers. Firstly if Russia an Belorussia is banned at least Israel should banned too with the NATO countries. Hipocrasy in high level. Secondly let's juries on the semifinals to vote alone and pick up the contestant to qualify for the final event. In the grand final event let's public voters to made their choice alone without juries. In my opinion this is how should Eurovision work in the future.

@EmoBearRights 3 месяца назад

Juries were removed from the semis because they were cheating and a boring ass song that got no televotes got through to the final. No thanks - look Finland dodged a bullet this year in not getting to host and a contest in EBU central is a great incentive for them to sort their effing organisation out.

@Blogovision 3 месяца назад

Totally. Why not do like in many selections where in semis it's jury + public and in the final only the public to name their winner? 😊

@taminumol 3 месяца назад

Controversial opinion: Would Nemo have gotten more public votes if Europe was more queer-friendly?

@Eva-qi3tu 3 месяца назад

Europe is queer friendly, they don't vote for entries just because they're LGBT

$@meirifrach8937$

@meirifrach8937 3 месяца назад

Interesting insights, i didn't think that the ebu is involved in the juries votes... Btw, why the juries voting takes 39 minutes on screen? Why not just to declare quickly which are the top10 of each country? Why we should see a representative of each country juries? It should take 15 minutes, not more than that.

@peterschnider217 3 месяца назад

I'm sorry, but just "assuming" things is a weak way of building a argument...

@whatever75 3 месяца назад

It is sad that eurovision fans cannot bring themselves not to hate artists because of their countries - either Russia, Israel, Azerbeijan... whatever country. Do we really think that we couldnt find blame for France, Italy, Belgium... Just go there for the music.

@EmoBearRights 3 месяца назад

It depends if they spout government propanganda or support poisonous governments. Just the music man rings hollow when either of those happen - looking at you Eden Golan, Sergei and Polina.

@whatever75 3 месяца назад

@@EmoBearRights I agree, but you will always have that as long as the contestants represent their countries. It has gone wild in last years, but also in quieter times, you had love-hate relationships between countries for this or that political reason. And I guess Eurovision wouldn't be the same if it was just artists in their name, not the countries.

@Marwauw 3 месяца назад

We will never now how was the winner when the Netherlands has bin in the finale , maybe Croatia or the Netherlands or nemo

@tomboss9940 3 месяца назад

The victory of Nemo would have been a bit clearer. Nemo would have gotten the same Jury votes, Joost was somewhere below the middle with jury votes (less than Croatia), and would not have been above Croatia in the public vote.