EV Cable Thefts Surge: A New Crime Trend

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A major crime wave targeting copper EV cables is sweeping the country…
…an electrician is killed in mysterious circumstances at a water treatment plant…
..and an unholy row erupts over solar panels on a church roof…
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00:00 Electrical News Weekly 10th June 2024
00:34 Major crime wave targeting EV cables
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@Lordmarkstuckey4161 Месяц назад

I'm surprised it's taken this long for theft of ev cables to take off.

@mdshovel Месяц назад

Yep, always thought it would be an easy target

@spankeyfish Месяц назад

Re: the church getting some solar panels, gb-sol and Ergosun make pv tiles that are designed to blend in with tiles. gb-sol's tiles are specifically designed to blend in with Welsh slate and Ergosun claim to have already done an installation on a Grade 1 listed building in Regent's Park

@dieseldragon6756 Месяц назад

As a railway enthusiast with a strong gravitation to pre-modern systems (e.g: The TGV) copper theft has been a problem for the railways for years. Network Rail installed _Smartwater_ bio-marking systems on a lot of their equipment about a decade ago, and it really helped convict those trying to cut away signal cabling. NR are now upgrading a lot of signal cabling to fiber optics to put that problem to bed (No scrap value in melted silica, trust me on that! 🏖) but it obviously won't work for traction supply cabling or EV chargers. I'm not all that well up in EV installs (The only EVs I've ever used run on rails! 🚄⚡🙃) but if you have a copper cable rated for 100A at 400v, how big/heavy a cable would it take to carry the same current safely on Aluminium? Could something like that be made usable enough that the average person could still plug it in to their car? 🔌🚗😇

@VinoVeritas_ Месяц назад

MCS and the accrediting trade bodies don't provide enough scrutiny of their members. A single Nominated Technical Person (NTP) being allowed to be responsible for an unlimited number of installations, coupled with the ease with which the installations can be subcontracted out, is a guaranteed recipe for shoddy and unsafe installation work. MCS was supposed to change the manner in which it operates this summer (following a consultation period last spring/summer), but has decided it can't do so until early 2025 now. The organisation is completely unfit for purpose.

@roberthuntley1090 Месяц назад

Needs to be included at the start of the design process, but suggest that EV chargers could run a trace current through the cable and use the interruption of that to raise an alarm, use Bluetooth to trigger cameras on the nearby units and so on.

@spankeyfish Месяц назад

Making the cables from aluminium would help too. It's been used for grid cables in the USA.

@deang5622 Месяц назад

Cameras won't stop the theft. They will just wear masks. Additionally, bluetooth isn't a means to trigger the camera recording, Bluetooth is just a communications protocol to transfer data between two points. And it wouldn't be suitable here given the volume of data in the video recording. In terms of triggering the video recording, many cams themselves are constantly monitoring and start recording when there is a big enough change from one frame of the video to the next. Or they can use PIR detection to detect a person in range.

@deltab9768 Месяц назад

I wonder how hard it would be to just shunt mains to the cable as a default (through a slow-blow fuse with similar current-time characteristics to what the cable can handle) and then obviously have it shut off and go into its normal controlled charging mode when plugged in 🤔

@SteveStevieboy Месяц назад

@@spankeyfishit’s not very good though,BT used it briefly years ago🤔

@dieseldragon6756 Месяц назад

Given many charge cables I've seen are for DC fast charging; I wonder if having a high (But detectable) resistance between NEG/GND or the cable armour and one of the signalling wires at the connector would provide a usable continuity testing loop? Send a test voltage down it at a very low current (Say,

@MarcusNailor Месяц назад

Crackerjack & Howitzer 💥 That theft story was bonkers, must've seemed very convincing to the home owner 😬

@davidsawyer9878 Месяц назад

Crackerjack and Howitzer

@stevedebbiemoore Месяц назад

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@dieseldragon6756 Месяц назад

I don't know about you, but I would be *very* suspicious of someone randomly calling at my door claiming that my appliances required PAT. I've only a lapsed PAT qualification (2003) but my ability to test and assess my own equipment is probably sound enough to meet general safety requirements. What scares me is that - If mandatory PAT was ever bought in for peoples personal appliances (As opposed to buying/selling them, which might be reasonable) - The amount of scams and bad/invalid tests coming up off the back of that would probably _reduce_ overall safety much more than _increase_ it... ⚠

@Dog-whisperer7494 Месяц назад

Condolences to the family of fellow Irishman Liam Donnelley’s and loved ones. R.I.P Liam , gone but not forgotten. Great news weekly as always Joe .

@anthonyjones5711 Месяц назад

I think we all predicted years ago that charging cables would be stolen.

@retrozmachine1189 Месяц назад

I guess we now know how that recycling bin in the studio always seems to be full of scrap wire.

@sergiofernandez3725 Месяц назад

I wonder how much lighting there is around the Instavolt chargers. In general poorly lit or dimply lit sights are more prone to theft. However there are now van theft and thefts from vans is broad daylight. Need more police and harsher custodial sentence

@marcberm Месяц назад

Crackerjack and Howitzer

@andrewhannay750 Месяц назад

The link to your outdoor speakers video in the show notes is broken. I can browse your channel page to find it though.

@Gazr965 Месяц назад

Some one buys the 'so called' scrap copper wire, I thought they stopped cash pay outs at all scrap metal dealers aka 'fences' You need a bank account to pay in, then this can be traced if some are making a fortune on metal thefts.

@sunnybnk Месяц назад

I do hope these underground parking place owners/developers have done more research than just a wonderful busbar that can be tapped into at any point to install EV charging points. I'd like to think that the first installation is that of a fire fighting system capable of dealing with the inferno that is an EV fire. Sprinkler systems commonly installed in these car parks are often inadequate in dealing with ICE vehicle fires. I hope lessons have been learned from the Luton Airport debacle.

@deltab9768 Месяц назад

Yup the HRR and total energy of a fully involved ICE vehicle fire is insane. An EV is less but you’re not going to fully extinguish it. You’re just going to have to provide enough water that it doesn’t spread to other stuff.

@dieseldragon6756 Месяц назад

Alstoms' trains have had an optimal solution in place for dealing with any fires on their EVs for years: It's a bottle of Halon about the size of a telephone box! 🚄🧯🌬 Granted, Halon isn't the _safest_ suppressant out there...But as EV batteries are normally sealed units, I wonder what would prevent them having an internal Halon release system to deplete the oxygen released by burning Lithium? 😇

@sunnybnk Месяц назад

@@dieseldragon6756 I think you'll find that Halon was kicked into touch 25yrs ago (at least in Brazil). Granted it was great for use in fixed systems in enclosed spaces but not good for the rest of the world. I don't remember the stuff that replaced it. Our vessel went with a mist/fog water system in the engine rooms.

@dieseldragon6756 Месяц назад

@@sunnybnk In the UK Halon usage in open areas is mostly banned, but new installs are permitted to employ it in specific use cases. The most common being enclosed server and switchgear rooms with suppressant lock-off switches that can be used to prevent Halon release when the room is occupied by technicians. 👍 Historical (Grandfathered) installations are permitted to remain where the use case calls for it or replacement is impractical, so Eurostars older TMST trains still have Halon bottles on them as modern suppressants aren't suitable for use on early 90s TGV equipment. Portable Halon extinguishers must be replaced with CO² or equivalents where there isn't an overpoweringly strong justification for handheld Halon deployment. 🧯✅👍

@adrianthoroughgood1191 Месяц назад

@@sunnybnkin the UK open air car parks such as the Luton one don't have sprinklers at all, which is the problem. The regulations urgently need to be updated to deal with a world where most vehicles are EVs. You can't put the fire out, but you don't need to. You just need to apply enough cooling to prevent the neighbouring cars igniting.

@tony9i9i9i Месяц назад

Crackerjack & Howitzer - perhaps the car charger lead thieves are not scrapping them, perhaps they are selling them as car charger leads.

@keancv 28 дней назад

I'm disapointed that the church got given a hard time over solar panels. Look up solar roof tiles. They blend in so should keep everyone happy

@davidrayner4699 Месяц назад

Crackerjack & Howitzer! Love your videos 😊

@markbarry1977 24 дня назад

Where I live, 15 Tesla supercharger and 10 none Tesla charging points in a shopping Center car park have just had all the cables nicked. What a pain in the arse, this is just another reason I wont buy an EV.

@trs4u 21 день назад

EVs should have a charging 'tentacle' (or something like a robot arm) so they can go 'on hook' by themselves. That would make V2V far easier, and also charge-sharing while platooning - if we ever get that going. We don't need so much 'infrastructure' if home-chargers leave their EVs parked publicly in 'supply' mode so that needy EVs can get a topup from them.

@MyAussieHouse Месяц назад

Does anyone know of a 240vac changeover switch operated by a timer to switch between battery and mains back to battery to power your home

@patricklyons7683 Месяц назад

Victron inverters, they also have VE transfer switches

@finchyfun1 Месяц назад

Been watching your channel for sometime. Started watching when we was thinking about getting an EV unit installed. Just wondering why there not something like what they have for gas fitters for electricity. SAFE GAS At least the customer knows that you have the proper qualifications and know how. Is there anything that a customer can ask for to know that the electrician is up-to-date with new legislation and has necessary qualifications to do any work domestic property? I know this site is mainly for qualified electricians, but there must be quite a few people like me who are not value your advice when looking for a qualified electrician

@matthewkehoe4792 Месяц назад

Crackerjack and howitzer

@susanshepherd7093 Месяц назад

I can't understand the problem with solar panels on the church roof. They are fitted to the roof of York Minster, a far more historically significant building than a parish church.

@royw.1220 Месяц назад

Crackerjack & Howitzer

@mattyb1068 Месяц назад

Crackerjack and Howitzer.

@visionofwellboyofficial Месяц назад

Time for the British government to impose new laws prohibiting scrapyards from buying STOLEN copper

@adrianthoroughgood1191 Месяц назад

Handling stolen goods is already illegal, but it needs much more enforcement efforts and much higher punishment to act as a deterrent.

@RoamingAdhocrat Месяц назад

they should pass a law to make crimes illegal

@timtam6442 Месяц назад

Who’d have thunk it eh!

@kanelawrence Месяц назад

crackerjack and howitzer 😁

@Gazr965 Месяц назад

Then the local authority should cough up the extra energy bill for the church if objecting to energy saving pv panels.

@mikeedwards7173 Месяц назад

Crackerjack and Howitzer 🤔

@hillppari Месяц назад

Should leave the cables live so if anyone cuts them they get their lesson.

@stuartkemp3619 Месяц назад

Krackerjack, Howitzer

@mark_just_mark Месяц назад

Howitzer and Crackerjack

@andrewwatson3576 Месяц назад

Crackerjack and howitzer, either too easy or you have thrown many in

@zahidshabir4038 Месяц назад

I would say this to EV owners. If you can afford your own charging setup just get CCTV and place your charger in a harder to see area. ALSO if it is a non Tesla EV then replace the number plates too since all EV's have a green stripe on the side of their number plates and have road legal ones made without this stripe

@Dog-whisperer7494 Месяц назад

WildWest and howitzer

@johnnythefox1851 Месяц назад

Yep, take all the cables away.

@deltab9768 Месяц назад

My idea for an “anti-theft” EV charger is a standby mode where mains is still present in the cable. Combine it with fusing that has similar slow heating characteristics to the cable itself (eg, for 3/0 have a fuse that can blow within 8-10 seconds at 2.5kA but is able to withstand at least 1 cycle at 40kA.)

@bigtitmaster День назад

As soon as the bolt cutters hit the wires, cb will just blow instantly. There is no other way

@kevinhenryviii Месяц назад

Howitzer and Wild West

@TheJensss Месяц назад

Should be anti theft mode on the EV chargers where you are getting electrocuted if you try to cut the cables...

@hashtagger8694 Месяц назад

Crackerjack and howitzer 🤞

@robincurwood Месяц назад

Cracker Jack and howitzer

@Savagetechie Месяц назад

New cable... New crime..

@Dog-whisperer7494 Месяц назад

Pump and jam

@SteveStevieboy Месяц назад

I knew this would happen when I first heard of electric cars! 😂

@malcolmarkell2135 Месяц назад

Crackerjack & howitzer

@MartinE63 Месяц назад

It’s Friday it’s five to five and it’s Crackerjack CRACKERJACK howitzer

@trevornelmes9331 Месяц назад

Well d'oh. Put some copper cables out in public and expect the local crack heads not to steal it? How about jailing all the scrap metal dealers who buy them, and all the other stolen gear? I am surprised cables outside homes don't get knicked, especially those by the pavement. Have scooter, will steal.

@adrianthoroughgood1191 Месяц назад

This is why some chargers gave detachable cables. Only leave it out when you are using it.

@trevornelmes9331 Месяц назад

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 So, There you are, plugged your car in, and off to the shops, or Starbucks for a few hours. Your phone gives you a message, charging interrupted. Off you go back to the car. Your cable has been stolen. Or maybe you plugged it in overnight at home. Plugged in at night. Off to the land of nod you go, and some scallywag nicks your cable.

@adrianthoroughgood1191 Месяц назад

@@trevornelmes9331 it's better than leaving it there all the time.

@trevornelmes9331 Месяц назад

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 True.

@ianbird4737 Месяц назад

Wild West and Metaphor (as the others are possibly too obvious??!)

@patricklyons7683 Месяц назад

DNA spray....they burn the cables down to pure metal bundles.

@dieseldragon6756 Месяц назад

The DNA spray still catches them out, as it transfers from the cable to hands, clothing and anything they touch, and is designed to resist washing out. It's why I would always make sure I had authority in writing before handling any railway cabling, and keep that authority on file as I _know_ I'd get covered in it, too... 📜 That said: Unless my fortunes experience significant change or NR ask me to help out with site clearance in difficult possessions (Being able to drag heavy weights up steep embankments is a useful ability!🐐) the likelihood of me having legit reason to handle NR wiring is quite unlikely. 😇

@mmeuwese 21 день назад

He is a news reader! This sucks!

@efixx 21 день назад

That's a bit reductive, I'm a news reader, an electrician, a presenter, a teacher, a father, a husband, a son... I could go on.

@fudgedonkey Месяц назад

uncomfortably & howitzer

@bucklelanefarm Месяц назад

Crackerjack howitzer?

@davidfalconer8913 29 дней назад

The easy answer to EV cable theft , is for the manufacturers to make their cables with multi strand ALUMINIUM wire ..... the wires between HV pylons are Aluminium ( with a steel core ? ) ..... ( ? ) ....... DAVE™🛑

@gillanstobo4971 Месяц назад

crackerjack and Howitzer

@Wayne.kerr.electrical12 Месяц назад

Bonkers and Hedgehog

@Webbster77 Месяц назад

Crackerjack howitzer

@Mircea007 Месяц назад

crackerjack and howitzer

@TecSanento Месяц назад

who is saying that cut ev cables are only for the copper ? i guess some are beeing vandalised by ice car enthusiasts

@AnotherPointOfView944 29 дней назад

to what end?

@TecSanento 29 дней назад

@@AnotherPointOfView944 to sabotage the EV transition and make life with an EV less enjoyable Politically motivated vandalism of some sort

@Jasonf-km5mq Месяц назад

Crackerjack, howitzer

@JoeDoig Месяц назад

..some people would steal the smell from your armpits...

@professionalineverything Месяц назад

Idea: copper can only be recycled by licensed persons, otherwise copper has no value, I call it "value licensing"

@deltab9768 Месяц назад

I like that idea.

@professionalineverything Месяц назад

@@deltab9768 it's pretty smart, though it may raise the issue of black markets (like with everything that's been banned relating to criminal behaviour) it will deter a lot of crime at the instance.

@dutchgray86 18 дней назад

People with only small quantities of scrap copper would be even more likely to landfill it versus recycling.

@professionalineverything 18 дней назад

@@dutchgray86 value licensing brings the value down so much that if they stole plastic piping then the landfill site will chose the plastic its that worthless.