@@matcho23 basically watch neon genesis evangelion to be confused watch end of evangelion to be crushed and watch the reboot series to be sorta happy and confused i guess idk
2:03 all that emotion, and then you see Rei's eyes become more alert for a second here, and she realizes that Asuka is really talking about herself. and then Asuka sees her reaction, horrified realizing the same thing, and then stews with more anger at the end, all that emotion and with a glance she had her back to square one feeling anger and shame, this show was so intense
What fucking hurt me the most about this anime was the total lack of camaraderie that the pilots had. In other anime, teenagers drafted into the army end up becoming fire forged friends, although they don't get along at first, the threat of death forces them to open up and trust each other. This doesn't happen here Poor Rei was raised like a lab rat by that bastard Gendo, so there was no way she would connect but Shinji and Asuka... Shinji never had the guts to stand up for himself and of course not for his fellow pilots, and Asuka treated them like trash. It seems as if the redhead was completely oblivious at this point to the fact that the Angels could kill and hurt people and that it was not the place to compete and antagonize her comrades. Besides, it's not like she was going to receive a medal or recognition if she succeeded anyway, hadn't she realized that yet? As far as NERV and Tokyo 3 were concerned, the Eva pilots were like plumbers, people continued doing their business so calmly despite the disasters and did not think about them, much less were they going to give them flowers or letters. The worst of all is how everything ends, what was the point of the effort, the sacrifice and all the suffering piloting the Eva? It was all for nothing. The world was not saved and not even the pilots had the consolation of having given everything to avoid it and at least be together as comrades in death, nope, now they are both in a wasteland with their mutual misery and regrets like their bitter harvest.
I don't think Asuka would really care about medals - what she was after was recognition by people close to her, and a sense of "being needed". Everything she does, from trying to date Kaji to piloting the Evangelion, is an attempt to build bonds that can plaster over her childhood trauma of losing her mother. But as she is being much too forceful about it, she ends up being her own worst enemy and struggles to build even normal friendships. Similarly, seeing her job as an Eva pilot as a pathway to idolation, she ends up defining every sense of self-worth by how well she does at piloting ... so she begins to stress out over it excessively, which affects her sync-rates and makes her more abrasive. Literally everyone in this show carries their own personal trauma, and how they are trying to cope with it or how it ends up affecting their social skills is what makes it so special.
@@ddshiranui Yeah, Asuka wasn't exactly successful in the area of bonding and she only has herself to blame. At school she didn't have any friends except Hikari, the rest was superficial attention from her classmates. And honestly, I'm surprised that Hikari tolerated Asuka enough to let her come to her house, considering that the class representative saw the redhead's antisocial behavior, not to mention Asuka's ultra-rude gesture dumping Hikari's sister's college friend in episode 15. What irritates me most is that she was so mean to her fellow pilots, the only people who shared her burden and tolerated living with her and put up with all her tantrums and petulance, which she didn't do with Kaji or Hikari. Shinji and Misato treated her with surprising kindness and patience considering her behavior, and she didn't seem to realize it. She did enough to turn those potential friends into enemies. Collect a hundred enemies and see what your life is like. Or even one. You make an enemy at your peril, especially a real enemy. A real enemy will light themselves on fire to singe you. You don’t need many people like that around you before you’re in hell. And so, how do you get out of hell? Treat people like they are made in the image of God. There is no more practical advice than that.
@@aso375 I suppose before you can love others, first you must be able to love yourself. That's where she failed already. In a sense, most of the characters in the show suffered from that -- Shinji and Misato dipped in and out of it, if only temporarily. The former's main issue was inability to trust, and the latter has grown used to masking her issues behind a jovial attitude and alcohol. Perhaps if Asuka had been given more time, with enough years she might have mellowed into another Misato. Being teens undoubtedly only made the pilots' problems even worse than if they had been adults.
There's more to them. It is ultimately not a mecha show with emotions. It's an emotional story with mecha elements. Their traumas aren't resolved earlier, because that would kinda end the main story. I would note that Asuka doesn't want a medal. She needs to be needed. She needs to be the best. If anyone else (especially Rei) is better than her... then others would leave her for Rei. And that would be too painful for her. For that same reason she treats Shinji so poorly... because she expects everyone to betray her sooner or later anyway. Everyone in the cast deals with their fear of pain and loss and rejection in their own way... each a bad way. Each creating their own little hell. Which brings us to... "what was the point of the effort?" "If he has the will to live... he can make heaven wherever he is. As long as he lives, he'll find the chance to be happy everywhere" You cannot make a world free of pain. Ýou cannot deny your pain. You cannot block yourself from it. You cannot escape it in debauchery. You can't fight it off or be good enough to escape it. You can't seal it away, and you cannot run away from it. Even death doesn't actually help anything either. But just as we're very capable of making a hell in any heaven. We can also make a heaven in any hell.
@@sorsocksfake Asuka's tragedy was as avoidable as it was unfortunate. She, unlike Shinji, had the means to achieve happiness and success. She had a dysfunctional and neglectful, yes, but upper-class family that provided for her whims (she filled Misato's apartment with her boxes of belongings). She had a prodigy-level intellect that allowed her to have a college degree at 13, in addition to a grandiose goal since she was four years old, for which she had been methodically prepared, and a determined and passionate character that many people would envy. Shinji was a lost cause, his father and the rest of the miserable adults had let him atrophy during his 14 years of miserable existance and then threw him naked against the lions. There was little anyone or he by himself could do to improve. But Asuka threw to the trash potential and her 10-year effort piloting the Eva due to her abrasiveness and prejudices and wasted a golden opportunity to make intimate and meaningful relationships. She made his unhealed childhood wound even deeper and in her brief stay in Tokyo 3 she added other wounds just as deep. She could very well have had a glorious happy ending as a sweet reward against all odds, but she threw herself into hell and ended up losing everything she took for granted. And for what? The worst thing is that the only company she has left is misery and pain, Shinji, as torn and hurt as she is, who can only offer her even more pain, since she hurt him before he could hurt her and therefore , pain is the only thing he received from him. It is true that both adolescents can still heal and improve, but how many years and how much more pain will it take to cauterize all their infected and purulent wounds? Is it really worth living when pain is a continuous presence and joy is reduced to a few dim lights in a sea of darkness? Why, why do those wretches have to wallow so much in the dirt of loneliness and pain, when the world is already full of that and happiness and love are beautiful and priceless treasures?
@@mykhailo_sorokinthe new Netflix dub was translated by one of Anno Hideaki’s official translator. The dialogues and the actors are better than AVN’s original attempt
I think she’s upset because she sees that Eva pilots are expendable and she takes that out on Rei because she sees Rei as nothing more than an emotionless pawn who is sort of living proof that they’re all just expendable(after all, as Rei says “if I die, I can be replaced”). So she takes her fear and frustration out on her because there is no one else(besides Shinji ig who she sees as weak and an idiot) for her to take her anger out on.
Woah but the emotion in her voice feels so real, like she's genuinely about to cry/ already crying but doesn't have enough water for actual tears. This is like, a genuine breakdown of a lot of frustration turning into sadness, even though you're trying to hold onto anger. Idk who hurt this girl but I feel really bad for her, especially since she's obviously ashamed of/ angry at herself for being unable to use this power/weapon or something and the girl trying to help her being basically a blank slate to throw her emotions at (at least in her eyes) is supposed to feel good but it just ended up making her feel worse, especially bc of the lack of reaction. Thanks for reading my analysis of a scene I have zero context for
@@jhtv5757 oh yeah, I definitely plan on watching it when I have the mental and emotional capacity to process and appreciate it w/o having a mental breakdown about the meaning of life
@@Al_-cf1djJust wing it, man. Art’s meant to comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable. You already sound like you’d be able to understand a lot of what makes the show so good, as long as you don’t go in expecting it to be all surface-level or entirely focused on action. Evangelion focuses a lot on the characters & their interactions with one another-I could praise it on a dozen other things, too, but I think it’d be better for you do that yourself after watching it. ** If you decide to watch it, there’s 2 main English dubs, the ADV and the Netflix dub. The ADV tends to do the character’s voices better (especially the redhead in this scene’s) but it feels more like a cartoon IN MY OPINION. Most people like it more than the Netflix dub. The Netflix dub, I think, delivers the solemn tone of the show a whole lot better, and I think you should watch it before the ADV dub just to get the right first impression of the show. Again that’s all my opinion, & you can watch either dub depending on what you want. Look up the AVD vs the Netflix dub to see a more in-depth testimony for both sides
@@kurubyy thank you, I really appreciate your advice on this, since I tend to have trouble finding where to watch certain things to have the best experience. I do really like this kind of art and I will definitely watch it but my sensitivity to it and tendencies to deeply analyse and sympathise with characters can genuinely trigger depressive episodes so I need to really watch myself when consuming media. Doesn't mean I won't watch it but I'll need to figure out how to go about it.
@@Termina2018The voice acting in Netflix dub is fine but the localization/dialogue is extremely stilted and bad. They focused too much on a 1:1 translation and too little on localizing it or making the meaning match better. It is like if they put the dialogue through google translate.
I kinda love this scene. Depending on framing can say so much about two people in elevator ride. Elevator rides are always so awkward. Do the people speak to each other, do they stand next to each other, do they try to avoid each other at all cost in this small confined space.
True art comes from when the artists are backed into a corner and need to fight their way out of it with a brilliant solution. Evangelion's budget problems were a blessing in disguise, for giving us iconic strokes of brilliance like this
The thing I love so much about this scene is just how much tension it builds within the roughly 40+ seconds Rei and Asuka spend just cold-shouldering each other. Nearly a full minute of complete silence turns into Asuka having a complete emotional meltdown in a matter of seconds, and it's even sadder when you realize the reason why Asuka is so upset is because of how fragile her ego is, an ego built as a defense mechanism against the systemic trauma she's endured after years of neglect and loss. Her pride is all she has, and when she loses her pride, she loses her composure, her dignity, and worst of all, she loses herself. Without her pride, she isn't Asuka, she's an empty husk of a person with no meaning or self-worth in a world that's already taken so much away from her. A lot of people may not like her because of her bombastic personality, but it's really not her fault at all. Her cocky and in-your-face attitude is a result of her losing everything she cared about at such a young age, and it's why she has such a difficult time connecting with others. The pain of losing people you care about is something she's already had to deal with, so why would she want to entertain the threat of that happening again by caring about anyone but herself? Absolutely genius writing.
I agree with this. I also think that she’s upset because Rei is an emotionless doll in her eyes who is the complete opposite of herself, without realizing that she is also a victim of the system just as much as Asuka is. All the Evas are expendable, including her, and Rei reminds her of that. Asuka is such a complex character and I love her so much.
I feel so much for Asuka in this series. She needs someone from her culture there to comfort her, but shes far from home and emotionally blocked from connecting to her heart.
Twin Towers elevators - from Lobby to 110th floor in 58 seconds. NERV elevators - from ground to secret floor in 1 min 40 seconds. Even builders at NERV are crazy. By the way - 50 seconds of still frame of girls in the elevator?! I can´t imagine something like this in shows with pace like Disney´s DuckTales (i mean 87). Maybe because DT creators had more money for ONE ACT of one episode than Anno had for final 4 episodes of Evangelion.
i was watching death (true)² and this scene appeared and i was so confused bc i GENUINELy thought she really said "if you have something to say then just spit it out already" while the subtitles (i only watch in jp) said what she actually said ps im an evangelion fan since 2020 so i should know this was the original
ok I'm so confused now. how many versions are there of this scene, including dub and sub in the franchise? I just saw another clip on reddit, with some differences where the characters and the facial expressions look completely different, but the voices are the exact same as this clip. can someone clue me in
there's the 1996 original, 2003 DVD, and the 2009 rebuild (iirc); so basically three, if I'm correct this is the 2003 dvd due to Asuka for some reason being completely redrawn in this scene; you can tell by the facial expressions and art style
the voice acting here is so fucking good. I have no idea what the hell goes on in evangelion and i can FEEL this girl's fucking pain. She's so upset at everyone, including herself. She's practically sobbing when she breathes in. i rewatch this shit just to get chills. So good.
Asuka: *lowkey angry as always* Rei: *couldn't fucking care less if she tried, as always* Asuka: umpf! Rei: *doesn't care* Asuka: ... Rei: ... (Spongebob: 3 hours later) Rei: btw you don't know how to pilot the thing Asuka: STFU DON'T YOU DARE I KILL YOUR PROGENY 😭
Actually, the original original would be the broadcast version that first aired on japanese TV, also available in the "archives of evangelion" dvd release from 2015 🤓☝
When watching this for the first time, i had my brother with me and we both thought our copy we got online was screwed up but no it was the actual scene, they really did run out of budget
The only one who is normal is kensuke never interfered with Eva even though he really wanted to ride it and until the end of the show he was still normal. And I'm confused as to why this character was created in this series which is full of unique and depressed characters😂
Yeah, she’s totally normal for taking out the anger she has on herself out on others around her and constantly bringing down the mood. She literally made Shinji’s life much worse and brought him down mentally a ton in the short time that she showed up to live with him. The only normal person is Pen-Pen and some of the schoolmates.
American Cartoon Viewers Don't Have The Type Of Patience Japanese Anime Viewers Have! -Some T.V.Stations In America Would Want To Trim Off A Minute-Or-Two Out Of The Waiting Scene! -(F There Wasn't So Many "Anime Purists" Feeling Like They're Missing Something From The Reduced Length!)
