@coldsnap5742 yep. Then when the Colonels owner was going to sue, the NBA let him buy the Buffalo Braves. Louisville got shafted. Would probably be a better market than half the cities in presently
I’ve studied NFL history extensively. I love what you did here. I’ve come to the conclusion that anything before 1933, the NFL was so Bush you can’t consider it the same. The reason why 1933 is the year I consider it real … they had actual playoffs and organized schedule with a specific number of games required to play. Those two simple things were lost prior to 1933. As a matter of fact I’m 1920 anyone you played counted as your record. So you could play against your local car wash and fatten your record. I hate to blow off history but 1920-1932 was a total sh*t show and this video only proves that.
The NFL was basically nothing but a bunch of barnstroming and club teams until the late 20's/early 30's. This is why they really didn't have a legit title game until 1933. This is the reason for so many one off teams. Even the Cardinals, who are still the oldest continuing franchise in the NFL used to be called a club(Morgan Athletic Club for instance).
Fun fact: the Racine Legion's field still exists as Horlick Athletic Field. It was the home of the Racine Belles of the AAGPBL, and is currently home of the Racine Raiders of the GDFL.
It’s crazy how so many NFL teams have gone through Ohio that one of them played in a village that doesn’t even have 500 people currently living there. Also love how the Portsmouth Spartans (now the Detroit Lions) original stadium is still standing nearly exactly how it was back in the 1920’s
Ah the Muncie Flyers. I was hoping Five would mention this "legendary" franchise. Played only 3 NFL Games and scored an outstanding 0 pts (0-73) one loss being the fore mentioned Cincinnati Celts
- start a team in Tonawanda, NY - lose 45 to nothing in your first game - refuse to elaborate further - leaves They just wanted to be in the history books and they sure did make it even if it was for an embarrassing feat, so I can't blame them for calling it quits.
As I recall the history, they were not going to play a game at all, except they had to honor the contract with the Rochester team. So they hastily put a team together and got blown out.
@@whosaidthat84 Had the Raiders moved alongside with the Rams, the Raiders would have been the #1 selling team in SoFi... Kroenke & his Rams weren't gonna allow that to happen so he opted for the lesser Chargers franchise to be their roommates. So, no. Neither Rams nor Chargers are capable of selling out independently without their respective division rivals
@@MarloSoBalJr he didn't "block" the Raiders the way you described. Spanos got dibs first with the Chargers. And you really think that only home fans sell out? Cowboys always get invaded as do other markets like Jacksonville. Only places like Kansas City, Green Bay, or Buffalo have a 95% home fanbase.
couple more fun facts about the Steamrollers: - founded by two part-time writers of the newpaper Providence Journal - they played their home games in a bike racing stadium called the Cycledrome - pre-NFL they would often field some college players who would play under aliases to keep their amateur status - during their championship run they would often dominate opponents, with 5 of their 8 wins being total shutouts (including one against the New York Giants lol) - their head coach at that time was HOFer Jim Conzelman, who would also suit up to play halfback and quarterback at the same time
@@1VERSEWITNESS , thankfully, the power of YAHWEH EL ELOHIM and His Holy Word can break curses. If I could afford the franchise, or, better yet, that Washington one, I would do things that would blow the minds of the people of the NFL.
Fun Fact my high school (Orange High School) adopted the the Name Tornadoes a couple years after the Tornadoes moved and folded and we've been carrying the name ever since!
The Pottsville Maroons beat the 4 horsemen of Notre Dame. You said they lost to them, either way they were stripped of their Championship by playing them and it was awarded to the Chicago Cardinals who are the present day Arizona Cardinals. They say this is the reason why the Cardinals franchise remains cursed and unable to win a Superbowl.
Fun crazy little fact, my great grandpa actually played on the Hammond Pros when George Hallas was there. They were supposed good friends, so when time came around George Hallas offered my great grandpa to play on the Bears, he declined to follow his dreams and become a police chief which did happen and started working with Al Capone.
NFL: “Hey Brooklyn, want to come back?” Brooklyn: “Forgeddabout it! Actually, there’s a guy named Mara who might be interested.” Nearly a century later and they’re still in the family.
One of the reasons teams came and went was because there was actually a lot of antipathy towards not necessarily the APFA/NFL, but the concept of professional football itself - how dare they sully the innocence of collegiate football, the purity of playing for the pride of your your alma mater, by wanting to be paid to play for some other team and play against other teams of professionals? The horror of it all! I remember reading somewhere - and I wish I could find it online somewhere - that one of the leading sportswriters of the day wrote a screed against the professional leagues of the day that basically equated owners and players with pimps and prostitutes. If only they could see the behemoth the NFL has become since those very shaky beginnings.
I find it rather funny that pro leagues were compared to "pimps and prostitutes" back then when you look at colleges today. Colleges today as well as back then make all the money and pay the players nothing more than tuition, essentially making them the pimps.
I feel like the Decatur Staleys moving to Chicago (eventually becoming the Bears) probably was more of the reason the Chicago Tigers folded. While MLB could support 3 teams in New York back then, and Chicago has done well with 2 MLB teams, I doubt the city could have supported 3 NFL teams at the time, when most couldn't support one team.
The packers are a team that was founded in 1919 and played a couple of seasons before folding in 1921. They were were a short lived team like many others. 50 years later a new franchise team was founded in Milwaukee but had troubles competing with the market in Chicago. After all I don’t know any NFL team that would play in a town of 100,000
As a Georgia Bulldogs fan, I'm glad nothing did happen to them. UGA wouldn't look the same without that iconic G the Packers came up with. As well as my highschool.
That's actually kind of sad that there are teams that were extremely successful all to be defunct just a few years later. You wouldn't expect that to happen ever if a team was that good
And the Triangles won the first ever NFL game. And they won the Greatest Game Ever Played in 1958. And had the first black head coach to win a Super Bowl. The Colts history can be traced back to 1913.
They also played the first TV baseball game the same year. Oddly, the oldest complete game color broadcast of a baseball game is from October 1, 1967. Nobody saved anything.
Only thing I remember about the Dallas Texans is Art Donovan mentioned in an interview that they were told to quickly cash in their checks because they didn't know if they would bounce or not
They’re the continuation of the Dayton Triangles. The players then moved to Baltimore the next year and became the Colts. The NFL never should have folded them. They’re a founding franchise.
@@TigerWoodsLibido Officially, they folded. Unofficially, the remnants of the team were used to start up the current Colts franchise. Really, if you look into the history of the NFL, you'll notice a couple of team "bloodlines" converging in the mid-'40s, and a series of teams folding only for their remnants to be reborn as a "new" franchise, the way the Browns of the early '90s became the "new" franchise of the Baltimore Ravens. The following teams are part of that bloodline: *Old Line:* Dayton Triangles (1920-1929) _(team originally founded in 1913 as part of the Ohio League)_ Brooklyn Dodgers (1930-1943); Brooklyn Tigers (1944) *New Line:* Boston Yanks (1944) For the 1945 season, the Brooklyn Tigers and the Boston Yanks temporarily merged due to a shortage of players (due to WWII), naming themselves "The Yanks" for this season. This was a common practice during WWII; 1943 had combined the Philadelphia Eagles and Pittsburgh Steelers for a season (often called the "Steagles"), and 1944 had combined the Steelers with the Chicago Cardinals (as "Card-Pitt"). After the season, the owner of the Brooklyn Tigers wished to have his team move to the rival All-American Football Conference (AAFC); as a result, the Tigers franchise was revoked by the NFL and the players were all assigned to the Boston Yanks, making the former merger permanent. As such, the line continues as follows: *Combined Line:* The Yanks (1945), Boston Yanks (1946-1948) New York Bulldogs (1949), New York Yanks (1950-1951) Dallas Texans (1952) Baltimore Colts (1953-1983), Indianapolis Colts (1984-present)
The League started as the American Professional Football Association(APFA). The name was changed to the NFL in 1922. So this year is actually the 100th year of the NFL name
There’s also the Pine Village Villagers- Indiana’s first pro team. 1915-mid 1920s). Jim Thorpe and 16 other future football hall of fame members were on it
The NFL should play special games in in some of these cities and stadiums if they still exist. The fans would love it. Call it a Heritage game or something. I know the stadium that hosted the Portsmouth Spartans still exists.
Much more to the Duluth Eskimos story. In 1927 it was a traveling team with Star running back and future HoF member Ernie Nevers. Owner Ole Haugsrud would later be a minority owner in the Minnesota Vikings. Interesting enough that Ole's high school team in Superior Wisconsin was also called the Vikings and colors were purple and white. A similar Viking head logo was also used. If not for the Eskimos and their travel schedule, the upstart competing league lead by Red Grange might have done better.
Fun fact; that stripping of the 1925 NFL title is what many suspect is a curse on the Cardinals franchise, for them to never win (in this case) a Super Bowl. When the league in 1963 opened (what eventually became) the final chance to rectify Pottsville’s title, the early-Rozelle regime alongside the Bidwell family crushed those hopes. And thus with an embrace of the stealing of 1925, the Cardinals franchise to this day is cursed to never win again until the Pottsville title is legally acknowledged. Another tibid; the Cardinals loss in Super Bowl XLIII was to the Steelers and the Rooney family…who some of them grew up in Pottsville.
The Pottsville Maroons losing out on the NFL championship was not due simply to them playing Notre Dame, which would have been acceptable in and of itself. But because they knew it would be a big draw, the Maroons scheduled the game to take place in Philadelphia, which was within the territory of another NFL team, the Frankford Yellow Jackets. Controversy exists- the NFL commissioner warned Pottsville that if they played the game, they’d be booted out of the league, while Pottsville management stated the NFL gave them verbal permission.
the pottsville maroons definitely werent a success, but something else from pottsville is actually pretty decent, yuengling beer! especially their traditional lager.
I’ve been having it since I moved to Florida. They have a 2nd brewery in Tampa. My grandpa was from Pennsylvania and always talked about the beer but I couldn’t have it in California
Lesson learnt from this excellent presentation is don't call your NFL team the maroons lol thank you really enjoyed this was fast snappy and so much fun information. Btw I'm from the UK so most of this was new and eye opening .
The Hamilton Tiger-Cats in the CFL are a child of this as well. Hamilton used to have teams called the Tigers and Wildcats. They merged and became the Tiger-Cats.
I want a deep dive into the Tonawanda Kardex. Like a seriously, ridiculously deep dive. I'm talking character studies on key players, a "based on a true story" novel about their struggle to raise that $1,000 fee, players trying to pay for their blind niece's eye surgery, all of that shit. Like I want my heart to freaking BREAK when we get to the point where they finally tear up their charter. Make it happen bro, the world needs this.
Despite their logo choice, I think the Providence Steamroller(s --the NFL lists them without the S) is the coolest name... A whole team as a unit representing a singular mighty force. That's kinda badass.
I prefer “Providence Steamroller”, it really captures the image of that singular mighty force that you mentioned. That would be an amazing name, shame no one else picked it up,
APFA not APFL. They originally were the APFC(American Professional Football Conference) but after a meeting with other teams from the New York Pro Football League and gained more teams, they changed the name to APFA(American Professional Football Association) which they had for the first 2 seasons from 1920 to 1921
Interesting video five. Another tid bit about Jim Thorpe is the Giants were not the first pro team he played for. Thorpe played for the Pine Village Pros located in Pine Village, Indiana in 1913 before joining the Giants later that year
Okay can someone explain this to me bc I’m intrigued…. Fun fact in the NHL the Oakland seals moved to Cleveland and did so bad there they merged with the north stars in Minnesota. When the San Jose Sharks came into the league, Gund, the old owner of the Seals and minority owner of the north stars became The owner of the sharks. He gave Minnesota a couple late draft picks to signify the change. So technically the Sharks are a continuation of the Oakland Seals / Cleveland Barons franchise…. Okay I explained that complicated thing in short time … is it something like that? I’m very interested….
At 22:01 ..I have not only researched, but documented the transference of Dayton to Indianapolis...I have even been to the site of the first NFL game...and it intrigued me...after two years of study, I found a direct link from Dayton to the modern Colts...and because I'm a machine embroiderer, I found old logos for each team in the chain, and created a patch for every team change...I have just finished the last patch, and displayed all nine teams in a frame...I will put it on Etsy soon...If you are interested, look for it...
Now you should make videos of defunct teams for Major League Baseball, the NBA, and the NHL. In the MLB, you have the Federal League, the American Association, and a bunch of defunct NL Clubs. In the NBA, you have a bunch of defunct teams from the league's first decade in existence. In the NHL, you've got a bunch of pre-Original Six teams, as well as the California Golden Seals/Cleveland Barons
It is incredible on how few people in Dayton realize that we helped started the modern NFL. Dayton has really done a lot when it comes to inventions and bringing things to the world. It might be a crap hole, but its my crap hole damnit.
The Pottsville Maroons didn't lose to the Notre Dame team, they beat them 9-7. The Notre Dame team was also a team of All-Stars so ex-college players. It was pretty common for the early NFL Champions or 2nd place to play the Notre Dame All-Stars after the season. The win actually helped the NFL be seen as more legit as many fans thought the college teams especially Notre Dame were the best. (Another game that helped was in 1930 where the Giants won 22-0 in Knute Rockne's final game which he played to generate money for The Great Depression.) The issue with the Pottsville Maroons was they played the game in Philadelphia to draw a larger crowd which violated the Frankford Yellow Jackets land rights. Pottsville is kind of in the middle of nowhere and had a small field to match their small town's population. Attempts were made in the past to re-award the Maroons back their championship but have only really been supported by a former Governor of Pennsylvania as well as the Steelers and Eagles.
Wait, so Jim Thorpe, who was Native American started a football team with other Native Americans, and they called them selves, the Indians, and, they weren’t offended by the name of their team?
Using your own image to make money is a different thing than some rich white guys stealing your image and giving you nothing in return, I'm glad you noticed!
Pottsville Maroons - there are people in that city of 13,000 that still carry a torch for their dearly-departed team's lost NFL championship. Repeated attempts to recoup the title have been rebuffed by modern-day NFL officials.
@ 23:48 is actor Paul Douglas who starred in many popular films of the 50s, including the original "Angels in the Outfield" and "It Happens Every Spring"
Or how the Baltimore Stallions still exist, after the failed CFL expansion into the US, the Grey Cup winning Baltimore Stallions moved to Montreal and became the Alouettes.
Basically all the CFL USA teams, Montreal Concordes, original Montreal Alouttes, Ottawa Rough Riders, Ottawa RedBlacks, some service teams, and some teams that existed before the consolidation of the western and eastern leagues into the CFL.
The Cardinals have two NFL championships if you count the DQ controversy; they also won the Championship Game in 1947. After that, of course, they went over fifty years without winning another playoff game.
I should point out that, as a historical coincidence, the New England Patriots' current home stadium (in Foxboro) is closer to Providence than Boston, and current Patriots owner Robert Kraft is from Providence.
Being from Dayton, my hometown has the honour of hosting the first ever NFL game back in 1920. The Triangles still technically exist today as the Indianapolis Colts. However, the Colts do not recognise the Triangles history, nor do they recognise the Brooklyn Football Dodgers, Brooklyn Tigers, Boston Yanks, New York Bulldogs, New York Yanks, or even the original Dallas Texans as part of their history. They claim 1953 as their founding year and they have the most complex history of any football team in the NFL. I also have relatives in the state of Indiana speaking of the Colts
Ahem. Besides the 1925 Championship, the Chicago Cardinals won a second in 1947 against the Phiadelphia Eagles. The two teams met in a rematch in 1948, which was won by Philadelphia.
That first Dallas Cowboys was not the first football team in Dallas. The Indianapolis Colts were. When in Dallas they lost every game, went belly up and the NFL moved them to Baltimore.
Bingo. Dayton-NYC-Boston-NYC-DFW-Baltimore-Indy. Insane history. Their horseshoe even has a triangular shape and they still have the same blue and white colors.
Being from Rochester I've always heard about the Jeffersons existing but I didn't realize how terrible they were. Goes along with everything else in Rochester though so it makes sense
Rochester isn’t so bad in my opinion and that’s coming from someone who grew up in Western New York. If you think about it the city of Rochester can claim an NBA championship title even though that team currently plays out in California.