One of my fave things about playing my Thief/Assassin character was discovering the true nature of these people while pickpocketing or breaking into their homes, and then giving myself a side quest to silently remove them.
"If you were somebody I'd know you, but I don't, so you aren't" >Hero of Kvatch >Grand Champion of the Arena >Wielder of many Daedric Artifacts >Fame greater than 100 >LITERALLY Lord Sheogorath
I was like all that, the arch-mage, the fighters guild"s guild master, the divine crusader, a honorary member of the thornblade knights, a knight-errant, a blades member, the grey fox (despise not even thieves guild members knowing that) and the list goes on...... Like, was that guy living under a rock under the past few months?
That's in every game lol "hey young man can you bring me 3 cabbages?" WOMAN I KILLED BAHAMUT AND I'M CHASING A GUY TRYING TO END THE WORLD YOU THINK I GOT TIME TO STOP FOR CABBAGES ON THE WAY?!!
You forget that when you took possession of the cowl of nocturnal you took on its curse as well. Edit:Although I suppose ascending to a daedric prince would override that
If I recall right, should you choose to end your quest progress at the quest where you infiltrate the mythic dawn and are counted as a member. All these sleeper agents will heartily greet you with a hearty "Dawn is breaking", so make sure you greet the new day.
But could the Hero of Kvatch really do that? After being freed from prison, hearing the Emporer's last words, watching them kill him? After closing the gate in Kvatch, and rooting the cultists out of the sewers with Baurus? Could they really turn their back on all they have done for Tamriel? All Tamriel has done for them?
It's extremely annoying, but inconsistencies in pronunciation is seen all over in the world so maybe it makes it more realistic. If you have only read a word it could be said many different ways. Or the team working with the VAs were inconsistent and did a bad job. Probably the second one.
There are two sleeper agents who won’t attack you, even fighting on your side, if your disposition is high enough. The cook at the lonely suitor lodge, & Cindor. I spare them.
For anyone interested, it's the looting of the Mysterium Xarxes during the Dagon Shrine quest that causes these NPCs to become aggressive. Basically it tanks your disposition with the Mythic Dawn faction so that anybody in it attacks you on sight.
It’s also gives a good sense of completion for a game that came out with no achievements. Hunting down all the remaining members and finally feeling like you finally completed your task, even though lore wise a few did slip away
One of the main reasons why I wanted Oblivion was due to the daily life cycle of NPCs. I read a huge article in PC Gamer magazine back before the game came out, and it discussed all the elements of the game. They actually had to scale back some of it due to issues. They originally wanted every single NPC to have a schedule and daily routine, including every enemy you find across the map.
That that is never became a reality. I kinda have always felt that Oblivion did miss something, too few people, too big cities. It exists more bandits, marauders, thiefs and other loose folks here and there then it exist in the cities. You can litterary kill hundreds of people and killing just one or two in a city might make the city feel rather -empty- as that person might be one of the few who actually walks the streets.
You know people tend to laugh at Oblivion ai but it's quite complex, people go to work, eat, go to the temple to atend a seremon once a week, they like and hate diffrent folks, it's quite good, for it's time it was insane
You'll be surprised when you take old games and realise what people market as revolutionery now, existed long ago. Remember Shadow of Mordor Nemesis System? There was somewhat of a prototype in Need for Speed Carbon. Remember how in Last of Us crtics were jerking off how enemies react when you are out of ammo or when you kill someone dynamicly? Stalker did that too and better. Remember how Assassin's Creed Black Flag innovated ship battle? What if I told you they copied those mechanics from Sea Dogs series and made it 3th person view and more faster and arcedy. Some games try to do the dumbest marketing when Ubisoft advertised you can play female character in Assassin's Creed Odyssy, even tough you did have female character in Liberation and Syndicate. Some quests are literal copy paste and presented as original, like Witcher 3 theater quest who copied it word for word from Jade Empire. Honestly, the big gaming corporations are literally stagnating entire innovation for their profit.
I never even knew NPC's in oblivion also traveled between cities. Just one NPC in oblivion seems to have a WAY more complicated/expansive life programmed for them then most of the NPC's in Skyrim.
Yeah that totally caught me off guard. The only other game that comes to mind is Gothic where some mage-knights go from the swamp town to the mine camp across the world every evening.
It really is a fantastic game in that regard, hell the countess of Leyawiin is Countess Ariana Valga's daughter and once a month she travels from Leyawiin with her bodyguard and steward to visit Ariana in Chorrol and I always loved travelling with them and pretending to be a court mage 😂
You know, considering how many cities and such there is, it really feels like there wasn't ENOUGH sleeper agents in the game (according to this video).
First off: Terrence Stamp knocked it out of the park as Mankar. His sermon in the hideout is both terrifying and inspiring. Ulen Athram being an agent was a suprise for me. He seemed like a friendly guy. I was doing Umbacano's quest when Ulen attacked me and was devistated I had to kill him.
@@DarkLOREDash I did not, though I always wondered if the book actually translated to something or was just gibberish. thanks for learnin me another thing!
Else actually caught me offguard when she turned out to be a sleeper agent when I played Oblivion. She just felt to obvious with that what have the gods ever done for me speech.
felt like a good time to watch this now that Gates of Oblivion is announced, its crazy how the Mythic Dawn scared me as a child while even the Dark Brotherhood was just "your friendly family of ne'er-do-wells"
Mythic Dawn: Basically delusional, "drink the Koolaid", murderous cultists Dark Brotherhood: Even though a murder cult, they do not murder on random, nor wish wide spread chaos.. They are basically a cult of hitmen and assassins, someone has to do the ritual, and provide fees for the contract, before a targeted murder is done. The Dark Brotherhood is more orderly and predictable, while the Mythic Dawn are very chaotic and you were not sure entirely what to expect them to do.
@@davidevans7477 lol stop coping. The Cringe Brotherhood is a disgusting offshoot murder fetish cult unknowingly worshipping an aspect of a Daedra prince (Mephala, Night Mother, come on) pretending to be something else while they have their delusion about Sithis. At least the Mythic Dawn worship something tangible, and they got results : A whole new era was formed because of their actions. The dank fodderhood’s best feat is killing a random worthless emperor which doesn’t come close to killing 4 Septims and nearly killing the last one. And look! Titus Mede II’s death had 0 effect on the world! The morag tong is truly based. Been around for way longer, actually worships the Daedra Prince in question without tricks, is actually legal and respected and doesn’t get wiped out because they’re incompetent then reduced to 2-4 members every time they appear in the series. One Breton lunatic could casually climb ranks, stay unnoticed until Mephala had to name drop who the traitor is and absolutely demolishing the Dark Fodderhood from the inside without getting his hands dirty, it’s that easy. Morag Tong could never get stomped this badly.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 I actually agree with everything you said. Though I fail to see how what you said disproves anything I said. Mythic Dwan drank the koolaid of Cameron, screwed everything over. Their lives did not get better either. Dark Brotherhood are indeed incompetent, but they are still a professional organization. The members and culture of it encourage murder fetishists to join it.
Wouldn't it have been great if one of the people he told you to tail ended up being a sleeper agent? It would have given some credence to his insanity.
I was so surprised when I was bringing Martin to Weynon Priory, stopped by Chorrol on the way and got attacked by Eugal Belette. I thought the game was breaking on me
I went into Chorrol right after speaking with Jauffre for the first time. A few minutes later Brother Piner entered the City and Eugal Belette immediately attacked him at the gates. I was a far enough away to barely hear the commotion, and the Guards killed him before I even knew what happened. Earliest I've ever seen a sleeper agent break cover.
Raven Camoran was supposed to be a sleep agent too, but Bethesda cutted that part from the game, but you still can find a paper talking about him in Hieronymus Lex's room, and you can also install a mod called "Oblivion uncut" where he is there, acting as any other npc.
Had this happen - mythic dawn people transformed and killed me in an inn. I never saw it coming and was overwhelmed. My greatest fan tried to fight but he died as he lived
Indeed. This video reminds me of what got me hooked on The Elder Scrolls series: The amazing NPC's in Oblivion! I remember Todd Howard saying in an interview that when they were developing the game, there was a prisoner in a cell that was part of a quest, but he would die in his cell before the player could get to him. After two weeks of testing, the devs discovered that the guards were killing him to get his food, because the devs had mistakenly given the guards too little. The NPC's in Oblivion are far from perfect. Some will spend their days at home, staring at a blank wall. However, for all their imperfections, they have an incredible depth that is totally lacking in Skyrim. They have secrets, vices, and interests. They will try to steal from each other. They will go on journeys to other cities. They may try to rob you on the road. Just amazing. I hope the team creating Skyblivion will be able to prrserve or even expand upon this aspect of the game.
It's amazing how lifelike they made the NPCs. Thought I heard from my sister that there was a day 1 game breaking glitch where the NPCs would run out of food then kill each other.
I had a great many times where an NPC would steal some food somewhere, getting caught, then a HUGE brawl would ensue, involving, and even killing, several guards. It confused the heck out of me the first few times it happened. I would just be walking along, then all of a sudden a major fight would break out
Not sure... but in some mages guild random dialogue, you would hear "I hear there was a boycott of Imperial goods in the Summeret Isles" followed by "They have powerful mages, this could be dangerous".
Ulfric Stormcloak himself is a sleeper agent; take a look at his Dossier in the Thalmor Embassy. ^ No-one else in Skyrim is a "sleeper" agent, but there are agents of the Thalmor. They are; Lorcalin, J'datharr, Shavari, & Gissur. There is one *_former_* Thalmor agent, and that is Runil, the old Altmer living in Falkreath.
Also, they agro if you have a low enough disposition even before starting the main quest. You can lower it in the speechcraft minigame and then they'll just up and attack you.
The thing with Cingor doesn't add up. If he was so incompetent, how did he manage to get enough funding for an iron cuirass and warhammer? If he held such a low position in society, why does the guard let him wander about? Surely patrolling 24/7 is good training? As for his armaments, the Mythic Dawn spells are kinda shit. What if he chooses not to use them simply because what he has is better/the same? Finally, he has the stuff to be a competent Fighter's Guild member. How could he have been rejected from the Guild when some of the highest ranking members still use iron armor like he does? What I think is Cingor's story is he is a delusional idealist. Something happened in his youth that made him despise crime and criminals. He obviously joined up with the Fighter's Guild to do good. When he realized that the guild was primarily a place of money and politics, he left and formed his own town watch, thinking that like minded individuals would show up and join his cause. Realizing he was the only one who cared, he started to get depressed as crime consumed his city. Thus, in a desperate bid to gain quick power and enact the vision he has for the world, he joined up with the Prince of Change, perhaps change for the better.
Lol, LMAO! Iron Cuirass and Warhammers are cheap nd pretty poor quality. And constantly patrolling doesn't do much to aid you in becoming stronger at fighting. Admittedly, sopme higher p Fighter's guild members DO use Iron equipment. Lol, the whole guild is bad.
I remember I was doing the quest to clear the specters from the ship in Anvil and I saw someone in Mythic Dawn armor and a the mace but I was too busy avoiding the specters to see who they were when they transformed back
Cool and interesting video. Good job and keep up the good work. Your videos on Oblivion made me buy the game a year ago, so i do enjoy some lore/things that i have missed. Have a nice day/night.
I know the players can get their own summonable gear, but I always wished I could get one spell that would arm me the way they do, a zap full body armor and a weapon ready to go.
@@TheSpiritsLease I had a weird fixation with Oblivion: at first I treated it like a videogame, doing everything. Then I tried a min-max experience. Then I hated it for some reason and that hate went on for many years. Then I started modding the crap out of it to get a more personalized experience (mostly immersive mods, east/sleep cycles, realistic economies, more weight, transport options, reworked magic, capes, remove the spider daedras from the game) and got mad when the mods crashed or fucked the game balance (for some reason enemies armor started multiplying and impcs could onepunch me). After many years I came back to Oblivion one last time and started the game without triggering the main quest (one of the mods). Made a Trader character class (specialized in commerce, repair, speechcraft, lockpicks, stealth, illusion and alchemy) and just made my own fun (do only side-quests, explore ruins, pick enemies out with creative spells and traps combo; have stashes all around the world map just in case). That was in 2012 and to date I haven't picked up Oblivion since. I don't think I would be able to top losing myself in Cyrodill like that again.
Ime it's really cool when people piece these AI schedules together and tell their story outside of the game, but actually watching these things unfold in the game is a little boring or goes mostly unnoticed. Cyberpunk is no polished games due to the studio's employee turnover and mandatory crunch, but I think the characters it chooses to flesh out in the narrative have more of an impact on me than an imaginative interpretation of an NPC walking back and forth and standing around in different places for a week as novel as that is. A market in night city has as many people rendered as a single city in Oblivion might, so they have very different development priorities and it's not a comparison that reveals much other than that, and just confirms a bias towards whatever we look for in a video game.
One of the quests borderline broke. Going into the dock inn at Anvil to meet with the women thieves and one of them became mythic dawn and attacked the other patrons leading to them all being murdered by guards. To fix this i had to do some time skipping, fast traveling etc.
Fun video idea: can you complete the main quest line if you kill all the sleeper agents (using this video as a guide) before doing any of the main quest line?
Let's be honest 95% of anyone who "discovered" the sleeper agents was due to going on a massive NPC massacre and realizing it after the fact or is that just me?
Too bad the game made bad balance decisions and died off. I loved that game back before the oblivion expansion, even got into the legends rank with an archer lethal deck, back before the three houses addon (which power creeped things a bit) (I wasnt able to have internet while I found a place to live, then the game basically died). It had so much going for it, but it died in the traditional mistakes of power creep....
Its very important to remember Dagon isn't evil so to speak he was created by the Magna Ghi out of "the most scarce resource in oblivion" that being hope. He is primarily a god revolution and therefore always allied with some peoples who are or feel they are being oppressed.
When making my first character in any elder scrolls game, I looked up dark elf names and settled on the last name "Athram" and was shocked to find Ulen Athram in the imperial city. I was so excited to have a "brother" to roleplay for my character. It added a whole new level to my first playthrough when he attacked me and died. I was convinced there was some hidden game mechanic to make npcs you frequent into sleeper agents. To this day my first and favorite character for every game is an Athram.
@@flyingspaghetti i mean it took me like a week to complete it , i walked around instead of fast traveling (gay) and i even got to the last ingame date lol
@@mcsmash4905 Very peculiar... It took me 400 hours (the same amount of time Skyrim took me) to complete it along with the expansions, and that with fast travelling. I doubt the guild quests (fighters, mages, DB and thieves) take less than 5 days, they are huge.
I cannot believe this game has this much depth for somthing you can totally miss. Like making special npcs on a single day at a certain time to do a special thing you can totally miss.
Finlay Dunham same, but you I personally hate Mankar Cameron, or however you spell his name. I mean his followers respected him, and followed him. And what do they get in return, endless torture after death. If Mankar Cameron didn’t make this “paradise” like this, than I would like him.
I saw isolda go into her outfit when I sprinted out of the Serpent's Wake, ghosts hot on my heels. It was weird seeing a Mythic Dawn agent that wasn't trying to kill me
Putting on armor with magic is so cool and as someone who hasn’t played oblivion it’s a shame that wasn’t in Skyrim. Edit: a two hour lunch break! And I thought I was bad. (I am)
I just completed the Oblivion main quest for the first time in years, and it's pretty interesting to see all these people I briefly chatted with had these secret agendas!
I ran them all through with my umbra blade and took their souls. Now their souls are keeping the adoring fan's soul company. Also keeping their souls company are... the grey prince, the guy in the cell opposite mine who said I was going to die in prison and the guards are coming for me then laughed remember him at the start of the game, the guard who told me he doesn't know me and don't care to know me, some wood elf guy from skingrad who was following me saying "over here Yeah you", the list goes on and on and on
@@TheRealRusDaddy what can i say kid. Umbra needs to feed and they were annoying so I kill two birds with one stone. Kid don't do skooma stay in school! Long story short once upon a time i found a broken soul gem which looked like a black star on my travels through skyrim so I took it to the imperial city university district I'd hoped the mages might be able to shine some light on the item. Basically I learnt that my black/purple sword called umbra needs to feed a lot so i capture and sends the lifeforces of these fallen enemies to a oblivion type of wasteland realm called Soul carin where they spend eternity. This is where that quest giver lives now kid. Sithis now torments them
I’ve only just recently reached this point in Oblivion and I really thought I was having some sort of fever dream or the game was glitching when Elise God-Hater attacked me out of nowhere in the Skingrad tavern
Right? I was in the lonely suitor lodge last night doing a fighters guild quest & the High Elf Ranalin spazzed out. I forgot I'd done the mythic dawn quest & sent her back over the counter! 🤣
@@tacky4237 You literally cant be an atheist in the Elder Scrolls Universe. At the very least, you can see the D Prince's actions. Cant see the 9 Divines' actions, at least not often. The definition of an Atheist is one who does not believe that any gods or divines exist..... In the Elder Scrolls Universe, it is near impossible to deny the existence of the Princes if you even traveled, or read, a little... Not counting getting contacted with "deals" by Clavicus Vile, Mora, and the like.