Sandman likely never became giant, he was in a small vile in SM1; and Lizard in this game was given a stronger serum than he'd ever taken before and is stated stronger than ever by Insom. Hope that clears it up.
@@CRISIS_COMICShe wasn't in the vile tho, Peter says he thinks he's there but from what i got from the sandman side quest he had left his criminal life until kraven attacked him, so probably Peter got some sand and since Marko didn't attack again he thought he captured him.
@@CRISIS_COMICS oh yeah he definitely didn't i was just clarifying that he wasn't in the vile, i mean the first thing Peter does is try to punch him in the face i think if he had fought him before in that state he wouldn't have try to do that.
He was holding back in the sense that he's not a killer, but MMA fighters for instance can fight at full power without trying to kill the other guy. I don't think Peter wasn't hitting Kraven as hard as he could,
@@CRISIS_COMICS Which is really crazy because Symbiote Spider-Man can still keep up with Kraven despite him holding back because he’s not trying to kill Kraven “Yet” is a pretty remarkable feat.
Solid. But idk Mj with her gun is like multi continental level and possibly low planetary (moon) if we want to be generous. Her keen detective skills are above that if the caped crusader and her gun is strong enough to one shot symbiotes. She also has legendary h2h training
@@CRISIS_COMICS Sandman is nowhere NEAR as powerful as Venom! The Ultimate Evil Wiki even says he's the most powerful. Also, water & electricity harm Sandman, they don't harm Venom.
Think y’all nailed this really. Pretty crazy how strong miles got in this game. His energy attacks and even combat skill alone really flew in this one.
Also he's that one fucking disgusting main character that has everything perfect in his life unlike Peter. The main problem Miles had was an Essay that he couldn't write, while Peter paying giant bills and losing dream job
@@Rororanddperfect? Yeah he's supported by family, friends and doesn't have to worry about his financial situation. Peter has just had too much tragedy happen to him.
@@Rororandd he lost is dad and best friend in less than a years time? The fuck are you on about? The only reason he's doing better than Peter is because he has a great support system with his classmates, his mother, Peter and MJ and doesn't need to keep a job and pay the bills.
@@ExtremeEnthusiast704 and that's why I love Peter more. He's just not boring to watch, and is embodiment of Spider-Man that chooses between personal life and being hero. While Miles... Yeah, he's strong, good and all, but he's way too close to that "Perfect" main character. I really see that they want to put Peter aside and make Miles almost the main point. I know what masterpiece of a plot was in 2018 and what came with Morales dlc. I really don't like it to be that way. 2018's story was about a simple person that can save the whole city, stop six of the most dangerous villains and almost anything. But in the end he simply couldn't save his aunt. And he came to this in 8 years of being spider man. While Miles, uhh... Can already beat the shit out of black suit Peter. Well, really cool, but I don't give a shit about this Mary Sue. If Miles is really so cool, I want to be born black in the next life
I am not surprised sandman is as high as he was. Especially since he has very specific and even circumstantial weaknesses, which even then if he gets a large enough supply of sand he could bounce back from any damage done to him.
14:03 True, however, for this specific scene, I think it's fair to argue it's a awkward position for Peter. It's much easier to push someone's arm downwards while you're on top of them. But overall, Miles was still relative in the full context of the fight, just wanted to point that scene out in particular.
@@mattk_pi mean, shocker (if he wasnt a petty criminal and actually went all out) would be able to level city blocks. Spiderman has stated that he's kinda lucky that Shocker doesnt usually go all out
@@thesithofearth3617 I know but I’d just expect electro to be the headrest opponent for him. I don’t think Kraven would have won if he didn’t somehow suppress the electricity
Even though Marko is a more difficult threat to take down, Venom is a much more challenging threat. While Sandman was only damaged by his two weaknesses, the Spider-men didn't have too extreme trouble dealing with him. Meanwhile, Venom is slapping Peter and Miles with both of them using all of his weaknesses as much as they can and getting assisted by Mj. Not to mention, like you said, Harry is fighting back against Venom, leaving him more moments of vulnerability. If Venom decided to attach to someone more dangerous, it probably be all over. For how I see it, Marko is more of a defensive threat, and Venom offensively is more of an offensive threat. Also btw, nobody gonna mention that Insomiac Venom is lacking one of his two defined weaknesses, fire?
Well the questions are. How good can venom regenerate? And does Venom need to breathe?. Like if Venom doesn't need to breathe. Marko can't suffocate him.
@@CRISIS_COMICSSandman doesn't have any great ways to take down Venom either, and you also say this like both Peter and Miles Didn't almost die to Venom as well. I personally think they both tie
I find it really silly and contrived that an experienced Peter would ever lose the a jobber like the Rhino who he has beat multiple times as he did in the Miles game
@@stevecavalle I know your gonna say he locked him in a container with scorpion but his suit was smoking and fucked up Spider-Man was embarrassing both of them at the same time, even if rhino in insomniacs universe was buffed like how kraven was he wasn’t like that in the first game. It’s just as soon as miles came into it they don’t want Peter the white Spider-Man to do well they gotta bring him down to up miles even though they could just have them both be good 🤷♂️ that’s why there’s a lot of people that don’t like miles because ever since he was introduced whenever Peter is around they disrespect him to appease miles which is so weird because they could have them both just be cool and it wouldn’t negatively effect miles and he would actually have more fans
That wasn't a proper fight . That was Rhino rampaging around the city and the spidermen trying to save people , i see no other reason for Peter to be stuck at Rhino's back till he gets knocked out .
@@stevecavallePeter def. got nerfed. Where the hell were his anti venom abilities (in the cutscenes) when fighting venom??? He was literally holding back from harming his best friend harry. If it was eddie brock, he would of stopped holding back as much, and started utilizing his anti venom abilities.
At least the way I interpreted things, Venom with the Meteorite where he could actively corrupt most of NYC was the "escalated threat" compared to Sandman's attack, with both giving a similar feel of the city being overtaken. Venom has stronger minions, has the scale to basically non-stop brawl with Sandman, and while he doesnt have the outwright counters to Sandman, he can probably fight him eternally while he gets even more minions and scales higher due to taking over the world. Thoughts?
Venom doesn’t scale to the meteor and never gets a chance to use it, stronger minions is debatable since Spidey struggles with both of them in cutscenes. Venom also never took over the world…
@@Warlord-dc5un I was just thinking that when they're fighting, it'll probably be a lot like Peter and Miles going up against him. Giant punches and obstacles thrown at Venom. If the Spider boys can go up against him long enough to set up their combo, then Venom shouldn't have a problem at all keeping up with Sandman basically for an infinite amount of time, considering we never see any type of fatigue from Venom. So if they were to fight, I don't think Sandman has any outs to defeat Venom, and his best thing he could do would be to stalemate, while Venom would be able to make lieutenants, have better minions, and possibly be able to use Harry's mind to strategize somewhat. We know that Venom has the cunning to threaten MJ as a strategy to lure Peter out, so it's possible that that could A. Be applied to a battle situation for better strategy, or B. Be used to realize he had a better long game and scales higher if he prolonged the conflict over a week for example, or however long it would take to conquer the world.
@@evangingerson1271 I don't think he needs full potential. I think as is, Vendom with meteor would stalemate Sandman, and could be put over the edge by passive minion amounts scaling
@@stevecavalleI'm pretty sure that he molly whopped Miles and Peter non-stop WITH Harry actively working against Venom. They get some tempo when they double up, but they never do anything that shows damage or durability loss.
Bro, my man Peter was stuck with a fridge on top of him. It’s like they dislike Peter. He was so nerfed. Mary Wick was unbelievable also. MJ got rid of the symbiote easily And if I had a dollar every time Peter said: “I’m sorry”, “Thank you for saving me” or all the times they had to save Peter because of his incompetence, I would be Andrew Tate rich.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eoIn the earlier comics Peter wasn't a snivelling bitch. He was kind and humble, but he knew when someone was being an asshole or lying to him. And made sure that they could not do it to him.
@@Blue-Apple-fc9eoAnd you misunderstood what he was trying to say. The issue is that Peter needed A LOT of saving in this game. More than he should against things he should not need saving, let alone from Miles or fucking MJ. Peter should not have to be in the position to even be an overly apologising bitch But Insomniac has now shown where their true intentions laid They started out well with Spider-Man PS4, but not shown they actually wanted to ruin Peter.
From what I know, Base Peter has better physical stats (possibly excluding speed and agility) compared to Base Miles, but Miles has more power and hax with his venom powers and abilities with that and his camoflauge. Also, one more thing. Peter was battling the suit's influence during his fight with Miles, which potentially means he wasn't fighting with his full potential.
He only meant holding back in the sense that he won’t kill Kraven. UFC fighters are hitting as hard as they can but they aren’t trying to kill anyone. We have no idea where bloodlusted base Peter goes so he’s < Kraven.
More like his energy projection it's not really that surprising he has more abilities than Peter but in combat, strength, experience Peter is over miles.
@@Sonyoucef explain because I disagree miles feats don't trump 8 years of fighting the same villains and he took on the sinister 6 by himself not all at once but by himself.
I was surprised how the symbiotes like peter and venom were resilient against miles venom strikes like they literally weren't even slowing down with those venom strikes sound was doing the most damage.
@@redram6080 yep which is why miles power's aren't as strong as many might think his abilities are different in this universe it's more electricity based and in the comics he had more of a potentncy to his abilities especially in the ultimate comics.
@@NMbones98his electricity is still super op. Not to mention he actually uses it to amp his speed which probably makes him the fastest character in this series. Even electro would have a hard time beating him in terms of speed bc on top of having the electric powers he also has spider powers.
@@redram6080yeah but they are weak to Miles Venom blast this is how Miles was able to defeat Carnage, Venom, Grendel and go toe to toe with Knull himself if this was comic accurate Miles would have ended Venom early on lol
But also Antivenom peter should have been able to stop this as soon as he got Antivenom like Peter should have been the boss battle to Venom not the other way around both Miles and Peter should have ended this with Ez with the gifts they have of this was comic accu
I feel like there's one key element to remember here, Peter in SM2 is not operating at peak power. Hear me out. 1. He kept talking about being a better Spider-Man when he bonded with the symbiote. It was clear he was feeling impotent and downtrodden to a certain extent, unable to handle the hunter situation properly. Why is that? 2. Aunt May's death. This is not like Uncle Ben's where he was "responsible" for it. Here, he made up the conscious choice of letting her go. It's even shown to be the deepest pain the symbiote is using to latch on its remnant. This definitely affects his perception of self which would explain why he was being thrown around so much. 3. He's stressed beyond belief. No job and was recently fired, having to take care of May's house, mentoring Miles, and recovering from SM1. There's a lot on his mind and his life as Peter is all over the place. Kind of similar to Raimi SM2 Spider-Man No More homage. If a breakup with MJ and all that stress led to him losing his powers, I can't imagine how much of a blow May's death, that he thought he caused, would be. 4. Notice how his Spider-Sense is kinda wonky here? Like how Peter's organic webs were failing in RSM2? To me, this just solidifies how Peter was actually not performing at peak performance. Yet despite all that, he still performed well and can contend with enemies far greater than those in the past. So to me, he could very well still be above. Now that he's got time to rest and be with MJ, taking care of his Peter life, we'll probably see the true extent of his powers in SM3.
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@@CRISIS_COMICS TL;DR, you're mistaken, don't wanna argue. Was it really that hard to say? Clearly you're not too tired to write that lengthy explanation.
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Glad yall did represented the peter miles fight properly on both sides. Though idk if pete got a boost from miles i think it was just from negative which also mister negative gave miles a boost aswell
Web of Shadows Spider-Man all the way 💯 Spider-Man stopped a whole Alien Invasion pretty much by himself with no sleep, etc Shame they went minimal with the Symbiote. I was hoping to shift back into and out of the symbiote and more powers
It is funny how the rock paper scissors battle would work, with all the electricity that Sandman generated, Electro would have a field day with him, same with venom if he could just use the electricity to vaporize venom, but yet he died to kraven, and Kraven even said it was a waste of time
Not only that but that bell was literally how miles won without it miles would have lost as the venom powers weren't really slowing him down and his stealth ability was completely useless he wouldn't have been able to catch his breath he would have burned out.
@@NMbones98miles was holding back in the fight & still had the upper hand. His fight against Peter just like how Peter was holding back Vs scream Miles wouldn’t want to hurt Peter. No excuses, plus using ur opponents weakness is part of fighting.
@@ZebsWorld there are no excuses if the bell was not present miles wouldn't have beaten Peter it's pretty simple they were both holding back eventually the symbiote would have killed miles if it took over peter
They did peter so dirty in this one, bro needed saving multiple times in the main story and in a side mission 😭ít all started after pete lost to rhino for no reason
@@captain2s404but spidey is faster, smarter and has more versatility. not to mention peter already beat rhino in the first game who was double teaming with scorpion. he got written poorly just for them to give spotlight to miles
Knew Miles would be stronger. Peter was pathetic in this game. They nerfed the hell out of him to make Miles seem better. 100% expected this to happen.
I hate how Peters being shafted in this game. The SpiderMen should have a good balance. Sure Miles has more power but Peter is physically stronger and smarter, causing Miles to have to rely on his venom abilities and camo. I still think Pete would beat Miles in a one on one and you cant convince me otherwise
It's so stupid that they nerfed Peter so hard in this game. Base Peter vs base Miles, Peter should be winning that 9 times out of 10. And Peter needed so much saving in this game, its like he hasn't been Spiderman for the past 8 years.
Nigga forgot that these threats blow anything from Spiderman 1 out of the water. Kraven literally no diffed 4 of Sinister Six, Lizard is hella stronger, Sandman as well, and Venom is a monster from hell.
@chandllerburse737Sandman is different. Pete’s reaction to the clones and his old “strat” not working in the slightest makes it evident that Mario was built different this time around
I love this video, I think the placements are really accurate and well done and it just gives you good data and you can imagine how Peter would have beaten his foes in his past years.
I think it shows the Spider-Men working together and how they could defeat a really difficult enemy if they were on the top of their game. The rest of the game, the Spider-Men were either separated or dealing with their mental issues. Even the last fight with Venom, the Spider-Men weren't really working together, it was a tag team 1v1 except for a small segment where they both beat up Venom in the air.
Sandman to my knowledge at least is the only Spiderman villain that is impossible to kill. The only thing keeping Sandman from going pure evil is his morals and his daughter.
That could definitely be something we don't even know how he actually died the recording wasn't even descriptive of his death other than kraven basically saying he was fodder.
Man, this is a great video. It’s kinda crazy how powerful Miles got. Spider-Man 3 better give some more epic fights and characters. Keep up the good videos! And well done to Tylearned too.
@@CRISIS_COMICSyou literally claimed in other comments that Pete holding back doesn't affect the ranking. Now you're using that argument to try and defend yours. Learn how to accept different opinions without trying to bully people
15:30 could also be argued that Venom too was holding back since all he was trying to do was convince Peter to join him and ''heal'' the world , either way , Great video.
I do wonder what exactly Marko *did* to get as strong as he got. If Peter had fought and beat him enough times for the familiarity they have, there’s no way Sandman wouldn’t have tried going to a beach and absorbing it to himself before. So was he just unable to before?
I doubt mark was ever trying to destroy like he was now, I’m guessing before he was a bank robber, he’s was still a good guy and eventually went straight, I doubt he wanted to destroy anything, But in this scene his mind was broken he didn’t know whether his daughter was alive and was lashing out trying to find her
616 Peter can be anywhere from wall level to herald level depending on his mindset; saying he "scales to 616" doesn't mean anything☠☠☠☠☠☠☠💀💀☠☠☠☠☠☠☠💀💀 Also the writer of that comic said he doesn't even know if it's canon to the games LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Even if you ignore that, Miles would just scale above 616 Peter anyway based on this game. Anti venom>miles~Symbiote peter>Base peter~holding back 616
@@CRISIS_COMICS the fucking comic gets mentioned on the Official sm2 prequel it is canon bro 💀💀💀💀 Also ps4 Miles is multi city block-town level due to him barely surviving the Harlem explosion 616 is city level (ignoring plot armor+outliers) PS4 is comparable if not equal to 616 you see what i mean
@@SpiderMan23000 The prequel comic isn't on the same level of canon as the game, where Peter hasn't heard of the multiverse and doesn't recognize these spider-bots that resemble people he's allegedly met. The game contradicts Geddon and the prequel comic so they aren't canon to the game. 616 when holding back is far less than city level, PS4 in the non canon comics kicked a shitty clone body Otto who's weaker than normal Doc Ock, and fought a holding back 616 who currently can't beat Vulture and holds back unconsciously. Do your homework son!
@@CRISIS_COMICS source: i made it the fuck up The fucking game writer said geddon is canon to the game 😭 why is that so hard to understand the unlimited Infinity comic is the only comic that ISNT canon to 1048. Atsv happens either after SM 2 so Peter in that moment didnt know them, but i think the spiderman that appears on the movie is canonically a videogame character so it's not the same one from the games, but this 2nd option take it with a grain of salt. PS4 Peter consistenly fought toe to toe against superior and matched him, tanked a blow from the inheritors and was just fine Spiderman was just done dirty in the game cause of the woke shit, even fucking MJ (mj stands for Manly Jaw) was cooking hunters more than spiderman 😭 they defo doing this so Miles can get more popular if ignoring plot armor base spiderman>Miles mid-high diff ☠️
@@SpiderMan23000 I LOVE a moron with an ego Here's the writter of Geddon and Infinity Unlimited saying he doesn't know if the latter is canon; if he doesn't know about what HE wrote, than he isn't a valid source on Geddon either = x.com/christosgage/status/1699455361881718790?s=46 Spider-Man 2 literally ties into ATSV on screen, Geddon is never referenced. If he experienced Geddon, which is set before Miles according to the comic, then he wouldn't be unaware of the multiverse as shown in SM2. The game literally contradicts Geddon point blank. That version of Superior was in a dog-ass clone body that is weaker than base Ock, who 616 Peter can bully whenever he wants. PS4 does not scale to any version of 616 Peter who's trying. I already explained all of this here - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wot3WRZArWc.html Do your homework son. "Ignoring what happens in the game, Peter wins" LMAOOOO Cope harder
The reason why sandman is scared of Kraven is because he a extremely powerful hunter and will most likely know his weakness, his family. Kraven will most likely target his family to make him a monster he once was. And Kraven goons are basically everywhere and can be anyone.
@@CRISIS_COMICSTo be fair he did kill Electro, who as *You* said was probably an Avengers level threat, and guess what. He was disappointed heavily in one of his audio logs.
@@kaijukingdom2686 electro basically is wasted potential to kraven he is essentially a god who is limited by the fact he is an idiot. That’s why he’s disappointed he could become an avengers level threat and surpass everyone on the list that’s why it says “potential” he’s sorta like the shocker who if he had the drive to attain power and be feared he would be a gang leader supplying goons with his tech but doesn’t as he just wants to be rich
From how Peter talks about the situation, it seems Sandman this time around was simply far stronger than he’s ever been, he’s never had his mini sand clones before, from how Peter acts it seems his regeneration after all the water was very unexpected as well, plus the fact that Peter seems to have not thought about using electricity before and it was made as a spur of the moment idea.
@@hyperkirby0143 I know Peter is supposed to be a super genius, and he probably should have thought of electricity before, but to be fair, the first thing I think of is water because of all the video game bosses with him.
i don't think the symbiotes are weak to electricity in this game, just sound. i believe that miles' electricity is just that powerful and im pretty sure bryan intihar confirmed it was just sound.
That interview came out after I wrote this lmao. I think there's still evidence to say that they at least don't resist electricity, like Superman VS magic. Overall it does look good for Miles.
Honestly, I can agree with a lot of this. The only thing I would like to point out is that I genuinely think Symbiote Spider-Man is above Miles because of an implication from the cutscenes. After Miles helped Li escape and he was restrained by Kraven and his Hunters, we are shown that it was day and by the time Spidey and the Hunter had their rematch, it was clearly night. So while Miles wouldn’t be in peak shape, he’d have at least some time to recover from being drained and possibly beaten, he was likely in a more energised state then his mentor given how much Peter was fighting, even with his new healing factor and Parker’s inner conflict and care for his protege cancelling out his rage amp from wearing the alien. Add on Miles being able to take advantage of 2 of the symbiote’s weaknesses, and I do think that Symbiote Spider-Man would scale higher, but a neutral grounds fight between the wall crawlers would still be a High diff one.
@@CRISIS_COMICS oh no, I doubt so as well. But symbiote Peter came fresh out of a fight that was difficult due to his weakness being exploited, and as Kraven directly says, was holding back still through the whole thing until the end. Meanwhile, Miles had time to recover from his fight with Li and punishment for helping the reforming villain escape, which makes me think the 2nd Spider-Man had an advantage beyond the ability to take advantage of Peter’s new weaknesses.
@@la7402 I would disagree. Miles is shown to be basically on the verge of passing out before Peter and Kraven fight. He might have recovered from Martin li but Kraven and his hunters definitely hurt him in between that time bc he wasn’t that hurt after the Li fight. So miles is pretty injured to start the Peter fight and even tho Peter was holding back, miles was too. I think that if they fought with no bell or sound bombs it’d be a toss up whether miles could get pete out of the suit or not. He’s much faster than Pete and stronger unless Pete uses his tendrils but even then the bio electricity amps his strength by a ton. But I really think it could go either way with symbiote Pete. If miles can use sound it’s a pretty clear victory for him. As for black suit that’d be a much closer battle like u said he’s still thinking straight but still if miles can use sound i think it’d be a toss up since he went toe to toe with venom.
@@Lo_wya I get what you mean, I just think that Miles had a bit more going for him in that fight. After all, like Base Peter, the new Spider-Man has accelerated healing and based off of the time of day between the fight with Li and Peter’s fight with Kraven, Miles could have possibly hours to heal before fighting his mentor (depending on how long you think the hunters were punishing Miles), who came right out of a fight with Kraven after his weakness to sound was spammed. It still wouldn’t be easy, especially with Miles’ electricity, but that is why I lean towards Symbiote Peter a bit more in a neutral battlefield while they are both bloodlusted.
The problem is that every time someone new comes in Peter is nerfed and the reason he needs help in a fight is because help is already there and spider venom losing to miles is just a pure nerf. Peter is literally the most experienced and fluid fighter in the games. W video
I actually disagree with some of the Peter and miles scaling. Unless we believe that Martin Li got stronger in prison, I’d say that Peter had an easier time with him in the first game than Miles did in this one. A blood lusted Miles-who admittedly calmed down towards the end of the fight-barely managed to beat Li. When he helps Li escape after winning, he almost instantly collapses after. No more fight in him. Peter handles Li in the first game twice with no real issue. In the symbiote fight between Miles and Peter… well having a giant bell at your beck and call is a crazy advantage and ultimately it’s not as though Miles “defeats Peter”. Miles managed to convince Peter to take the suit off. Don’t get me wrong, I think Miles is the ultimate successor and that he’s proven himself equal to Peter, but I think scaling them is more complicated than most people think
@@CRISIS_COMICS Yes, but Miles would also regain his full powers as long as he wasn’t hit with Li’s energy. And even if he was severely nerfed, I don’t know if that nerf is worse than Peter fighting with 14 broken bones against Li and still performing better.
I have a theory about antivenom suit spiderman that I haven't seen anyone else bring up. While Peter fought venom he was getting thrashed pretty bad, but something changed after he got knocked out. Once he got back up after miles was done fighting venom, he almost seemed invincible. Now I know this probably sounds far fetched but I think he got a type of "zenkai" buff or something after his first fight with venom. When you watch him fight venom at the end, peter gets slammed into the ground by venom on his head, then get showed through an exploding oil tanker and he's completely fine. Saying he was fine is an understatement, he didn't seem to notice it and in less than a second he got the upper hand on venom and slammed him into the ground. There was no indication that venom had gotten weaker, and peter hadn't used the antivenom properties in that scene until venom was already on the ground. To me he just seemed like he got wildly stronger. The venom suits have healing properties, and spiderman has already proven that he can get stronger, so I think it's not far fetched to say that he got a big physical buff at the end there. After that scene venom never held a candle to him.
I 100 % agree with your point, but I don’t think it was a buff from the symbiotes side, but Peter not holding back. Like the video stated, Peter was for sure holding back against Harry during his fight with venom at the highschool, and got completely destoryed and knocked out, kind of realizing this approach won’t work, and now during the cutscene he seems level headed and set on what he needs to do more so if Yk what I mean, and was much stronger than before. I don’t know how to explain it fully but you prolly get what I mean of the reason for the difference in power
@@CRISIS_COMICSMiles got every advantage toward “symbiote” Peter. He uses the bell toward their fight which is a counter for symbiote and his blue venom and also Peter is fighting inside trying to stop himself from harming Miles. If it was not symbiote Peter then Miles would of lost. Peter is thinking straight while the symbiote is corrupting miles which gives him another advantage.
@@lordyoda9382 That would be a pretty fair assessment if you didn't watch what I said about Miles. He was already on his knees after the Mr. Negative fight, THEN he was beaten on likely by Kraven, THEN he passes out, THEN he fights Peter and physically contends with him on screen. Peter in the first phase of the fight was enraged, he gets conflicted later on. They both had things going against them, Black Suit Peter is stated > base Peter, and Miles scraps with Black Suit Peter. I do say that a 100% Peter would outlast Miles, and that Anti-Venom's above tho. But to argue Miles < base Peter is cope.
I don’t get how that lame knife stab from Kraven killed Peter but getting impaled by one of Otto’s arms (on the left side where is heart is mind you) and he was fine.
I feel like sandman is very variable in terms of power level, if placed in an indestructible room with sable she could probably beat him, however when placed in the city he can gain anything from none to being powerful enough to beat miles and Peter together. I personally would of left him as below venom and anti venom on a list like this.
Rooting for Lizard, the two seem very very similar in strength and healing factor but I get the sense venom at least knows how to apply that strength better is he isn't outright stronger. I think Lizards sonic roar mixed with his armor and healing factor might give him a chance to eat harry while he's in the suit. Conversely venom could potentially take advantage of the lizards mouth and do some fatality level attacks on his insides.
He was paying them or aiding them in their own goals: he made Electro more powerful, promised to pay Scorpion. He’s their ringleader and he’s the planner; nothing more.
Peter did face sandman on other occasions on his own and won. I don't think its fair to say he would have lost on his own, I think he could've put something together
@@CRISIS_COMICS i get he got his shit rocked but we all know it was for miles to shine. Look at miles morales where he fought rhino and lost, someone he literally fought 2v1 against with 14 broken bones. Also his dialouge sounds too natural to see a giant sandman
Everything in all of fiction is written to showcase something. We have to use feats and what is shown to make the most logical deduction. The last time Peter fought Sandman he fit into a vial, also as far as we know, Yuri never boxed up Rhino straight up. They fought offscreen where Peter said Rhino was stronger, and in the game Scorpion and Rhino ended up getting in each others way, and Peter still didn't KO Rhino like Miles did. Whether or not you think it's agenda based, it's still canon, and is still a valid feat.
Well when u have one of the most experienced and intelligent spidermen out of any depiction of the character ever. Plus op ass powers like invisibility and bio-electricity I’d say it’s only a matter of time before he surpassed Pete. Thats always been the case with miles it’s just that no one has shown how strong an experienced miles can be. But everyone knows he’d eventually be stronger than Pete.
12:46 I mean maybe I’m just nitpicking but it’s not that symbiote Peter was too weak to force the needle through Connor’s skin but the fact that if he had tried to hard he probably would have broken the syringe. I mean just don’t even think bullets made it through lizards skin
Personally I’d rank Mr Negative higher due to the fact that he did defeat every challenger that Kraven put him up against while in the arena and in the book it was stated that he was holding back against Peter in the first fight in the first game because he knew that Spider-Man was Peter and he didn’t want to hurt him
This was actually quite reasonable. Good job. I wouldn't say that the Anti-Venom suit is stronger or more powerful than the Venim Symbiot, though. In terms of raw strength, I'd argue that the Venom Symbiot is deciseively stronger than the Anti-Venom "symbiot." But the properties of the Anti-Venom symbiot just allows the Anti-Venom symbiot to out-punch the Venom symbiot. But were both symbiots put up against a neutral opponent, the Venom Symbiot would fair better than the Anti-Venom Symbiot. I'd also wager that Mile's Venom powers, and *definitely* his Enganced Venom powers, negatively effect both the Venom Symbiot and the Anti-Venom Symbiot, allowing Miles to hang with either. But pound for pound, Miles would still come in yhird between the three anyway. (But if Miles ever got a Venom Mode, where he surges with hos Venom power or his enhanced Venom power for a period of time, like Peter does with his symbiot, the ranking would get a lot more iffy.) At any rate, excellent job.
Peter says Anti-Venom is just as strong as the black suit, so nah. Also the game's director said that Venom was only weak to sonics, not Venom Blasts; so nah again. GLAD YOU ENJOYED IT!
@@CRISIS_COMICS True. But a character's analysis is only valuable when it is supported by evidence, such as feats. Peter's analysis was proven wrong. Anti-Venom could not take down Venom by himself. Period. So, his analysis was objectively wrong. 🤷🏾♂️ The game director's statement is not supported by the actual game, so again, I have to go by that. Miles did a number on the Venom Symbiot using his Enhanced Venom abilities. So, again, I have to call it as it is presented. 🤷🏾♂️ I'm glad you enjoyed it, too! 😁
@@BrotherKnowledge. Venom is just stronger than black suit Peter based on what Peter said about his own power, no contradiction and purely logical! Miles' attacks hurting Venom only necessarily proves they are that powerful; which requires less assumptions and is more sound seeing as they are never stated to be a weakness in the game either.
@@CRISIS_COMICS First, I appreciate you not being a dick about me disagreeing with you. I appreciate that and wanted to state that clearly. Mind you, I am not trying to change your mind or your opinion here. I only do that when I think that someone has an illogical opinion. But your opinion is logical. I can follow your thought process. My position is not "I think you are wrong" here. My position is "Okay, cool. I see where you are coming from. My opinion is this, and this is how I formed *my* opinion." Again. I am not trying to change your mind or opinion here. It is a good one. I respect it. I'm just sharing my view. That is all. I hear you. You take Peter's statement at face value. Respect. I just have a different approach. I take Peter's statement... and then compare it against what was presented to us. Based off of Venom knocking Peter out for a good little while, and Peter *needing* Mile's help to neutralize Venom/Harry, I find it reasonable to conclude that, while bonded to Harry, Venom was objectively stronger than Anti-Venom - *despite* Anti-Venom being an anti... uhh... venom... symbiot. That is the view that I am approaching this from. True. Venom was never stated to be weak against Mile's Enhanced Venom abilities. It was, however, *shown* to be. It was presented to us as something that the Venom Symbiot could not overcome. (This is shown when Venom tried to take over Miles but failed to do so because it could not overcome Mile's Enhanced Venom abilities.) I'm not saying that my position is correct. But I am saying that my position is logical. My position is not developed from making an assumption, either. It is made by deductive reasoning.
@@BrotherKnowledge.Anti-Venom’s name comes from his ability to purge Symbiotes from their hosts when it’s abilities were consciously activated by Peter, not because Anti-Venom is more powerful than Venom. In fact Venom is stated to be the Spider-Men’s ultimate threat, which would include Symbiote Peter as Miles had to battle him. Saying that Miles’ Venom Blasts outright counter the Symbiotes in a similar way as Anti-Venom is an assumption, because it is never stated, and the position with the least assumptions is that Miles’ abilities simply scale to Venom and can harm him. An argument otherwise would involve injecting headcanon where it’s otherwise not stated.
i think lizard can easily be an S tier. and top of that. spidey can only beat lizard with a serum. without it he actually has no chance. and that was the previous lizard. this lizard was even stronger but also more animalistic. but even if he can outsmart him he still needs a cure.
People always want to deny that Miles is definitively relative to Peter at his 100%, even with Anti-Venom. Miles fought Venom twice, while Venom was trying to kill him, waiting for Peter to regain consciousness.
Anti-Venom is far superior than Miles, not just because of his healing factor of or lack of weaknesses, but because of his higher base stats (strength, speed…). Miles has his bio-electricity and Peter has his tendrils so Peter having greater base stats, a infinitely better healing factor and way more experience and IQ+Battle IQ makes him the greater Spider-Man, but as the game says they’re Greater Together
I think black suit Peter is stronger than miles but symbiote suit is weaker. We see Peter enjoying and feeling greater than ever at the beginning but after the suit transforms he starts to fight with those negative emotions and the more brutal style actually makes him weaker since he’s not like that at all.
@@CRISIS_COMICSwhere is the Symbiote suit stated stronger? You’ve been pretty rude to some of your commenters man. It’s okay to have different opinions, you haven’t been exactly good about respecting that in this specific comment section.
It's clear Miles is more Powerful than Peter. I don't know why it's so hard for people to admit that. Peter wasn't pulling punches wearing the symbiote and Miles still overcame that fight
While watching the story, I was very interested in kraven but then I thought to myself, he is the perfect prey for an elite to elder predator, they have a very similar hunt until you die idea but the predators would see him as one of the greatest hunts
My problem with this. Is that Miles power were constantly growing in the game. As seen where he didn't even get his last move until he helped Peter become anti Venom. Venom was going harder against Miles then he was Peter. He wanted Peter to Join him. While he wanted to outright Kill Miles. Miles even did better than Peter did with his Anti venom suit. As Peter got ONE SHOT by evolved Winged Venom. Then had enough time to heal and get a rest. While Miles was fighting dozens of Symbiotes. And then went straight to fight that evolved Venom twice in a row. Miles was holding back against in raged Black Suit Peter. So this makes it even harder to argue Peter any higher than Miles. Miles by the end of game was basically Peters successor in everyway besides in the way of having a better healing factor. And being more intelligent. Those are the two factors i give Peter over Miles.
Am i the only one who dislikes how strong they made miles? He's basically Thor in this game, and in a year or 2 he's now stronger than a base Peter who's had his power's for 10 years. Idk, that feels a little unearned, and his lightning power's dont have any kind of limit or rules, so it feels lazy. It is very fun to play though
I've gotta disagree with you about Symbiote Peter/Anti Venom being above Spider-Man 2 Miles. Miles was holding back against a bloodlusted symbiote Peter and still won (And Miles didn't canonically use the bell until after he had already physically beaten Peter, he used the bell to weaken the Symbiote so that Peter could find a way to get it off.) Miles just fought off a Symbiote horde and then performed better against an arguably more powerful version of Venom than the one Peter had just fought despite Peter having a direct counter to Venom, both were holding back against Venom but you also have to understand that Venom was holding back against Peter due to Peter being a vital part of Harry's goal which is why Venom was so hellbent on getting Peter to join them. The same can't be said for Venom vs Miles though.
Peter got conflicted pretty quickly and was also coming off his fight with Kraven, who used the bell many times in their fight. Peter would be holding back more against Venom seeing as he could have killed him earlier via purging the Symbiote. Venom also tempted Miles as much as Peter; Harry wanted Peter as a part of his plan not Venom.
Miles is stronger than corrupt symbiote Peter since he not the same as before and also give him some weaknesses. Peter with the anti venom is stronger it doesn’t corrupt him and have weaknesses the same as the other symbiote. Without the symbiote, Base Peter shown better feats and experience than miles.
@@CRISIS_COMICS Really? So Miles is stronger than a Spider-Man who experience everything miles experience, who is a genius that created a bunch of gadgets and a speedster suit, have 8 years of experience of fighting against villians who are powerful, defeated opponents like Rhino, Mr Negative, Tombstone, Lizard, Chameleon, King pin, Vulture, Shocker, Otto, Electro, Hammerhead, Silver sable, Task Master and Sandman by himself. Just because he put up a fight against a corrupted symbiote Peter who isn’t himself while using the bell and have 2 extra abilities which is bio electricity and camouflage. Are you really sure Miles can win a fight against a experience spider like that? Base Peter > Base miles.
@@lordyoda9382Yes, because he fights a stronger Peter than the one who performed all those feats, while injured. Base Peter is getting his head dunked into a toilet.
I think miles is relative to anti venom as well after he knocked out peter venom tried to crushed miles head with that rock ! He is crazy strong and on stop of that he can enhance his strikes miles just has a better more versatile power set and is clearly is above base peter ! Great vid bro
